Is the Internet in Danger?

[S3eker]

Do you think that the Internet is more and more in danger? The RP revolution has shown how powerful the Internet can be in rallying support for a candidate. It has allowed the people to form opinions without the MSM. It has allowed us a conduit for meeting and organizing. It's like a weapon in the hands of the people to challenge the government. Our forefathers where very wise and far-sighted in giving us laws in the constitution that are relevent today. The right to bear arms can also be our PC's and Internet access. The words we type can be mightier than a sword or gun. It gives us the power to challenge the evil that infects all forms of mass media and the weapon to protect our homes.

I believe the battle to keep our guns (Internet) is in danger. What can we do?

[jbrace]

stick it to the man.:cool:

[Indy Vidual]

The documented threat of child porn can be used as an excuse to control the net.
What can we do??

[freedom-maniac]

[QUOTE=S3eker;940253]Do you think that the Internet is more and more in danger?
QUOTE]

Ja!

[Paulitical Correctness]

Let's all agree to a meeting place...

..just in case they take our interwebs.

Somewhere in Montana?

(I'm 90% serious) :(

[libertythor]

Yes, the internet is in danger. Look at how Google and Yahoo caved into the Chinese government.

[bcreps85]

We've seen Comcast use traffic shaping already, and net neutrality is being attacked from every angle.

It isn't a matter of ISP's needing control over their networks or copyright as the MSM tells people every day. It is a matter of controlling every form of medium that people communicate over. You think the attacks on net neutrality were bad before, if the neo-cons take this election you can kiss it goodbye within the next 6 months. We've shown that the internet is a threat, and they will attack it.

Just last night Fox started trying to take down embarrassing stuff off of YouTube, thats just the beginning.

[S3eker]

That's what scares me. Our only weapon agains it all could be taken away. I was watching the video: There You Go Again: Orwell Comes to America - Deceiving Images and I was thinking that the general populace could be convinced that the Internet is bad and we need to be protected by it. There are many battles in the future and RP is just the start.

[OferNave]

This might help some:

http://freenetproject.org/

[steve005]

thats why we need to have a comprehensive list and everyone calls 10 people.

[Michigan11]

Let's all agree to a meeting place...

..just in case they take our interwebs.

Somewhere in Montana?

(I'm 90% serious) :(

Yes. We need secret bird calls to identify with

[Paulitical Correctness]

Yes. We need secret bird calls to identify with

whippoorwill...whippoorwill

[Molly1]

yes of course it's in danger.

You don't think they are going to let this go on forever, do you?

There are already congressional hearings underway to censor the internet.

You probably can find them on youtube or at cspan.

[Akus]

I believe that if Ron Paul is not elected, the next President will impose some kind of regulatory restrictions, an internet version of FCC, or just censor the internet altogether.

How ironic that the product of the military industrial complex, the very beast Ron Paul is trying to tame, is Ron Paul's major campaign vehicle.

[S3eker]

http://freenetproject.org/

Thanks for the link. I hadn't heard of this yet.

[justinc.1089]

Yeah I say we just come up with a location to meet at if the internet becomes censored. Montana is a long ways from me but sounds fine. If things get bad and the internet is censored I will try to make my way out there somehow I guess.

[niall]

Yes, government will try to control the use of the internet. But it will be a disaster, just like their attempts to control everything else.

If they can't keep drugs out of federally controlled, 24/7 lock-down prisons with heavily armed guards, then there's no way in hell they are going to keep us from sending electronic signals to one another.

Educate yourselves on computer technology, encryption, etc., and we will not be stopped.

[justinc.1089]

Yes, government will try to control the use of the internet. But it will be a disaster, just like their attempts to control everything else.

If they can't keep drugs out of federally controlled, 24/7 lock-down prisons with heavily armed guards, then there's no way in hell they are going to keep us from sending electronic signals to one another.

Educate yourselves on computer technology, encryption, etc., and we will not be stopped.

Uh I have no clue how that stuff works. I actually don't even have a clue of what you're saying really.:confused::(

[givmeliberty]

Unfortunately, the average person is unable to educate themselves on computer technology and encryption to that degree. So aside from that, how will we communicate once we no longer have the internet? We need to decide and spread the word because because someone just asked me about this today, and I didn't have an answer.

Anyone have ideas?

[Dave Pedersen]

Revert to the older fashioned technologies. They still work. Snail mail. Telephones can be bugged too easily but opening all the mail is too manpower intensive and hard to hide.

Don't worry. They'll take really good care of us.

[justinc.1089]

Revert to the older fashioned technologies. They still work. Snail mail. Telephones can be bugged too easily but opening all the mail is too manpower intensive and hard to hide.

Don't worry. They'll take really good care of us.

How could we use mail when we couldn't possibly know everyone's addresses? It could take months for something to spread through all the Paul supporters by mailing.

[deedles]

They will use the Homegrown terrorism act, which is in committee now. And also the big corps are lobbying for internet 'filters' to open up internet speed and whatever the hell it is.

They will absolutely go after the internet.

The only thing I've seen work has been this past summer re: the immigration thing. So many Americans screaming, calling, faxing and emailing bloody murder to the senators and congressmen.. Since the clowns almost never READ anything they vote on of course they'll pass it if they don't get absolutely swamped like they did last summer.

Look at the veterens disarmament bill that just flew through. Total attack on 2nd amendment. No mention in the MSM... heck, even the NRA members don't even know about it.

BTW, if anyone here belongs to the NRA, you might want to quit immediately and join gun owners of America instead. NRA is corrupted.

[pebcak]

Do you think that the Internet is more and more in danger? The RP revolution has shown how powerful the Internet can be in rallying support for a candidate. It has allowed the people to form opinions without the MSM. It has allowed us a conduit for meeting and organizing. It's like a weapon in the hands of the people to challenge the government. Our forefathers where very wise and far-sighted in giving us laws in the constitution that are relevent today. The right to bear arms can also be our PC's and Internet access. The words we type can be mightier than a sword or gun. It gives us the power to challenge the evil that infects all forms of mass media and the weapon to protect our homes.

I believe the battle to keep our guns (Internet) is in danger. What can we do?

I had this thought just the other day. If Ron Paul is not elected, I can see politicians in the future trying to clamp down on the Internet to control speech somehow. It's nearly impossible to do, but I do feel they will get their hands in things in some way.

[justinc.1089]

Hmm I really can't think of anything other than trying for slow mail and moving to one place. I would go for trying to get everyone to one place somewhere, and Montana sounds kind of cool lol.

[justinc.1089]

I had this thought just the other day. If Ron Paul is not elected, I can see politicians in the future trying to clamp down on the Internet to control speech somehow. It's nearly impossible to do, but I do feel they will get their hands in things in some way.

Well for people like me all it would take is getting rid of forums like this, myspace, email, youtube, google, and some other commonly used things and I am out of communication with everyone.:( I don't think it would be too hard to censor the few things I use to talk to people on the internet.

[niall]

Uh I have no clue how that stuff works. I actually don't even have a clue of what you're saying really.:confused::(

What's I'm saying is that it will be impossible to control the spread of information on the internet. Look at filesharing as an example. They've spent billions of dollars trying to stop it, and it's never been easier to download movies, music, etc.

The same applies to the spread of political information, videos, etc.

[Arek]

Yea sadly the Internet is under attack more and more. They'll probably shut down the Internet to anyone who scores to high on an intelligence test. Also the government itself doesn't have to worry about the Internet being slowed down since they've been using the Internet 2 for sometime now. Of course they can make a claim these filters are to help them speed things up. Even though it has not effect on them what so ever.

[justinc.1089]

What's I'm saying is that it will be impossible to control the spread of information on the internet. Look at filesharing as an example. They've spent billions of dollars trying to stop it, and it's never been easier to download movies, music, etc.

The same applies to the spread of political information, videos, etc.

How does google censor info for China then?

I know it has to be extremely hard to censor info on the internet, but it seems possible to at least censor the easy areas which would censor people like me basically.

You're probably right, that it won't be possible, but I think its something we should still plan for.

[niall]

How does google censor info for China then?

I know it has to be extremely hard to censor info on the internet, but it seems possible to at least censor the easy areas which would censor people like me basically.

You're probably right, that it won't be possible, but I think its something we should still plan for.

I agree that we should consider it, which is why I urged self-education in my original post. That's how the file-sharing war was won. ISPs would try to block the traffic, so technically savvy users routed the traffic to other ports, and encrypted the data so that the ISPs couldn't tell what to block. The only way to stop it would have been to shut down the internet, which is obviously not a viable option.

Tools like FreeNet, Tor, etc., are also good weapons in the information war. The good news is that hackers tend to be libertarian, so new tools are being released at an aggressive rate.

Edit: Also, with regard to your question about China. One company can always be coerced to block websites or limit search results, that's true. However, think of the decentralized nature of the internet, and you'll see that so much of it is viral (instant messaging, email, etc.). It's still a problem, but it's like throwing a boulder in a river to block the water -- the water just flows around it.

[justinc.1089]

I agree that we should consider it, which is why I urged self-education in my original post. That's how the file-sharing war was won. ISPs would try to block the traffic, so technically savvy users routed the traffic to other ports, and encrypted the data so that the ISPs couldn't tell what to block. The only way to stop it would have been to shut down the internet, which is obviously not a viable option.

Tools like FreeNet, Tor, etc., are also good weapons in the information war. The good news is that hackers tend to be libertarian, so new tools are being released at an aggressive rate.

Edit: Also, with regard to your question about China. One company can always be coerced to block websites or limit search results, that's true. However, think of the decentralized nature of the internet, and you'll see that so much of it is viral (instant messaging, email, etc.). It's still a problem, but it's like throwing a boulder in a river to block the water -- the water just flows around it.

Yeah well thats what I'm kind of afraid of. If we kind of have to go to an underground internet route to communicate it will be a lot harder, although certainly better than mail. How would this be done?

[justinc.1089]

Oh, and whats the internet2? A faster internet? And why does only the gov. have it?

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Yes, the Internet is under attack. We have to stop the government from imposing "net neutrality"

[LibertyRevolution]

If Ron Paul doesn’t win, you can bet your ass the internet will be heavily regulated. Our Meetup groups will be labeled terrorist cells, they are going to knock on your door, take your computers, and then throw you in jail. You an expect to lose the rest your rights in the next 4 years, everything will become a privilege. Ron Paul has cured my apathy, and replaced it with RAGE at the Rights that the government has reduced to Privileges. I expect martial law soon, and I say LET IT COME, maybe then America will wake up.

[Myerz]

I'm going to rent RED DAWN again....refresher!

[justinc.1089]

If Ron Paul doesn’t win, you can bet your ass the internet will be heavily regulated. Our Meetup groups will be labeled terrorist cells, they are going to knock on your door, take your computers, and then throw you in jail. You an expect to lose the rest your rights in the next 4 years, everything will become a privilege. Ron Paul has cured my apathy, and replaced it with RAGE at the Rights that the government has reduced to Privileges. I expect martial law soon, and I say LET IT COME, maybe then America will wake up.

Wow that is a scary possibility that they may label our meetup groups terrorist groups, and then try to treat all of us like terrorists. Its unlikely but possible I guess. We sure do seem to have a lot of doom and gloom talk tonight lol.

[Myerz]

If Ron Paul doesn’t win, you can bet your ass the internet will be heavily regulated. Our Meetup groups will be labeled terrorist cells, they are going to knock on your door, take your computers, and then throw you in jail. You an expect to lose the rest your rights in the next 4 years, everything will become a privilege. Ron Paul has cured my apathy, and replaced it with RAGE at the Rights that the government has reduced to Privileges. I expect martial law soon, and I say LET IT COME, maybe then America will wake up.


I agree.

But I think they will wake up sooner.....maybe not soon enough but what I think will be a really good slap to the face it our crashing economy and the dollar. Maybe then a good majority will see the light and say..."that guy, Ron Paul....he's right!"

[govtpigII]

For one we could all agree that any attempt to censor the Internet is an attempt on our 1st amendment and we all stand up for our freedom, and if that is taking over ...well then I guess at that point no rules apply and we take the fuck over.

[Mattsa]

If Ron Paul doesn’t win, you can bet your ass the internet will be heavily regulated. Our Meetup groups will be labeled terrorist cells, they are going to knock on your door, take your computers, and then throw you in jail. You an expect to lose the rest your rights in the next 4 years, everything will become a privilege. Ron Paul has cured my apathy, and replaced it with RAGE at the Rights that the government has reduced to Privileges. I expect martial law soon, and I say LET IT COME, maybe then America will wake up.


I'm afraid you're absolutely correct

It's pretty difficult to see how things will play out because the Ron Paul movement is still comparatively new. Not nearly enough people realize how dangerous the situation is. The internet is the final frontier, the only place left where there is true freedom of expression.

Right now, the internet is the achilles heel in attempts by 'The Matrix' to completely control communication between people and the media.

Realistically speaking, the Ron Paul movement might not grow fast enough to win the 2008 election so we must be aware that keeping the internet free of censorship is a MAJOR battle. They will do everything in their power to shut it down/control it/regulate it/ etc etc

[AceNZ]

Internet filtering is about to happen in Australia. Wide-scale, opt-out filtering is soon to be a requirement for all ISPs. Although it's supposed to be possible to opt-out, you do have to provide a "reason". It's not unreasonable to assume that people who opt-out could also go onto a watch list of some kind...

[Xonox]

A long, long time ago...
I can still remember
How that website used to make me smile.
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And, maybe, they’d be happy for a while.

But february made me shiver
With every paper I’d deliver.
Bad news on the doorstep;
I couldn’t take one more step.

I can’t remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride,
But something touched me deep inside
The day the internet died.

So bye-bye, miss american pie.
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

Did you write the book of love,
And do you have faith in God above,
If the Bible tells you so?
Do you believe in rock ’n roll,
Can the web save your mortal soul,
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

Well, I know that you’re in love with him
`cause I saw you dancin’ in the gym.
You both kicked off your shoes.
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues.

I was a lonely teenage broncin’ buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck,
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the internet died.

I started singin’,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

Now for ten years we’ve been on our own
And moss grows fat on a rollin’ stone,
But that’s not how it used to be.
When the jester sang for the king and queen,
In a coat he borrowed from howard dean
And a voice that came from you and me,

Oh, and while the king was looking down,
The jester stole his thorny crown.
The courtroom was adjourned;
No verdict was returned.
And while lennon read a book of marx,
The quartet practiced in the park,
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the internet died.

We were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

Helter skelter in a summer swelter.
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter,
Eight miles high and falling fast.
It landed foul on the grass.
The players tried for a forward pass,
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast.

Now the half-time air was sweet perfume
While the sergeants played a marching tune.
We all got up to dance,
Oh, but we never got the chance!
`cause the players tried to take the field;
The marching band refused to yield.
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the internet died?

We started singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

Oh, and there we were all in one place,
A generation in cyber space
With no time left to start again.
So come on: jack be nimble, jack be quick!
Jack flash sat on a candlestick
Cause fire is the devil’s only friend.

Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
No angel born in hell
Could break that satan’s spell.
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite,
I saw satan laughing with delight
The day the internet died

He was singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news,
But she just smiled and turned away.
I went down to the Apple Store
Where I’d heard the music years before,
But the man there said the music wouldn’t play.

And in the streets: the children screamed,
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
But not a word was spoken;
The church bells all were broken.
And the three men I admire most:
The father, son, and the holy ghost,
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the internet died.

And they were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

They were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die."

Don't let the internet die.

[justinc.1089]

Well I guess that rules out Australia as a place to go to then. :(

lol thats one less place in the world to go......

[OferNave]

If you're serious about moving, move to New Hampshire. I did.

http://freestateproject.org/

[justinc.1089]

Eh... New Hampshire? Freezing cold, in the middle of the Northeast which is like the second worst area on earth for globalism with europe being the worst, and tons of government in the area?

No thanks, I would rather go somewhere that is actually more free and well away from government. The north pole might be good, for a while.:rolleyes::(

[inibo]

whippoorwill...whippoorwill

I prefer hooty-hoo... hooty-hoo :D

:eek:

[OferNave]

Eh... New Hampshire? Freezing cold, in the middle of the Northeast which is like the second worst area on earth for globalism with europe being the worst, and tons of government in the area?

No thanks, I would rather go somewhere that is actually more free and well away from government. The north pole might be good, for a while.:rolleyes::(

Uh, yeah.... good luck there, with that north pole thing. Cause I'm sure that's not freezing at all.

[rfbz]

yeah they've been going after the internet for some time now under the guise of protecting the children.

[S3eker]

Well, how about connecting our WIFI routers to each other. I'm an engineer and played around linking my wifi router to another wifi router (no big deal), But I was wondering, what if two people in a neighborhood linked their routers, and those with others and other and others. We could create a type of Intranet of WIFI. It wouldn't help people in rural areas but this is shot. Also, there are thousands of USB drives out there now... You can pass out information that way also. Maybe you can drive around in your car in transmitt wifi info for people to pick up.

I think the mother of invention is necessity

[DGambler]

Let's all agree to a meeting place...

..just in case they take our interwebs.

Somewhere in Montana?

(I'm 90% serious) :(

I'll meet you on the Aleutian's.... at least I can work on a crab boat.

[Ex Post Facto]

Well, how about connecting our WIFI routers to each other. I'm an engineer and played around linking my wifi router to another wifi router (no big deal), But I was wondering, what if two people in a neighborhood linked their routers, and those with others and other and others. We could create a type of Intranet of WIFI. It wouldn't help people in rural areas but this is shot. Also, there are thousands of USB drives out there now... You can pass out information that way also. Maybe you can drive around in your car in transmitt wifi info for people to pick up.

I think the mother of invention is necessity

Interesting I was thinking of this exact same method. We can take it back to direct peer to peer networking. An offline network of sorts, using direct dial methods for communication. I know there are a lot of engineers of various sorts that are on these boards. Someone needs to get to work developing a 100% radio wave transmitter that hooks to common routers :p I'll leave that up to you guys to tinker with as I have no skill in that area :)

[asgardshill]

Interesting I was thinking of this exact same method. We can take it back to direct peer to peer networking. An offline network of sorts, using direct dial methods for communication. I know there are a lot of engineers of various sorts that are on these boards. Someone needs to get to work developing a 100% radio wave transmitter that hooks to common routers :p I'll leave that up to you guys to tinker with as I have no skill in that area :)

Sounds to me like you're looking for packet radio.

http://www.choisser.com/packet/
http://www.tech-faq.com/packet-radio.shtml

You won't get the baud rates/connect speeds of a fractional T1 or even DSL using packet, but the tech is proven and it works.

[joelfarm]

The documented threat of child porn can be used as an excuse to control the net.
What can we do??

This was for the most part, un-substantiated as a "major" threat to our youth so the new buzzword for a complete crackdown is 'domestic terrorism'.

[icon124]

i agree with the others that said we need somewhere to meet...and phone numbers...(90% seriously about this too LOL)

[DirtMcGirt]

yeah maybe give ur number to two other random members to create a massive phone chain. I'm 86% serious about this...

[Ex Post Facto]

Sounds to me like you're looking for packet radio.

http://www.choisser.com/packet/
http://www.tech-faq.com/packet-radio.shtml

You won't get the baud rates/connect speeds of a fractional T1 or even DSL using packet, but the tech is proven and it works.

That is very interesting. It would be nice to have a network of these. Each grassroots leader getting the information and getting it to meetup groups if all else failed.