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AdamT
01-12-2008, 07:41 PM
Anyone want to help us out with this? We need a high resolution world map showing the locations of all the US military bases. We just need a dot or something to mark each base. I've scoured the web looking for a map but no dice.

Here's the original thread on the project.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=71242

Here's a sample frame from our storyboards. The new map would go here.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff189/adamtro/map_sample.jpg

Dutch
01-12-2008, 07:49 PM
Does this help?

http://memosphere.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/draft3.jpg

Dutch

Phantom
01-12-2008, 07:50 PM
Is this of any use to you?

U.S. Military Troops and Bases Around the World
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/downloads/military_map.pdf (http://www.unitedforpeace.org/downloads/military_map.pdf)

politicus
01-12-2008, 07:52 PM
Here's the first map that I found:
http://www.nonviolenceworks.com/usmilitaryglobal.pdf

Wikipedia has several lists of U.S. bases by country.

Globalsecurity.org is another resource as well as Jane's, a UK-based publication.

politicus
01-12-2008, 07:56 PM
here's a nice graphic image!
http://memosphere.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/draft3.jpg

AdamT
01-12-2008, 07:56 PM
Does this help?

http://memosphere.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/draft3.jpg

Dutch

I believe this will do. The map shows active bases, former bases, forward operating locations, spy bases, and Echelon bases.

Any idea how recent that is?

Thanks Dutch!

Marty Duren
01-12-2008, 08:45 PM
Dr. Paul has said in a couple of debates that we have 700 bases 130 countries around the world. Do these maps support that statement? One says that we have personnel in 63 countries while we have personnel in 156.

Onyx
01-12-2008, 08:54 PM
Why is there only 2 in the USA? I don't think there is 750 stars on that map.

dkim68
01-12-2008, 09:00 PM
Amazing, amazing.

politicus
01-12-2008, 09:03 PM
It looks like Dr. Paul's information is from Chalmer Johnson's book Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic.

The Relevant excerpt can be seen here:
http://alternet.org/story/47998/

Page 1:
Once upon a time, you could trace the spread of imperialism by counting up colonies. America's version of the colony is the military base; and by following the changing politics of global basing, one can learn much about our ever more all-encompassing imperial "footprint" and the militarism that grows with it.

It is not easy, however, to assess the size or exact value of our empire of bases. Official records available to the public on these subjects are misleading, although instructive. According to the Defense Department's annual inventories from 2002 to 2005 of real property it owns around the world, the Base Structure Report, there has been an immense churning in the numbers of installations.

The total of America's military bases in other people's countries in 2005, according to official sources, was 737. Reflecting massive deployments to Iraq and the pursuit of President Bush's strategy of preemptive war, the trend line for numbers of overseas bases continues to go up.

Interestingly enough, the thirty-eight large and medium-sized American facilities spread around the globe in 2005 -- mostly air and naval bases for our bombers and fleets -- almost exactly equals Britain's thirty-six naval bases and army garrisons at its imperial zenith in 1898. The Roman Empire at its height in 117 AD required thirty-seven major bases to police its realm from Britannia to Egypt, from Hispania to Armenia. Perhaps the optimum number of major citadels and fortresses for an imperialist aspiring to dominate the world is somewhere between thirty-five and forty.

Using data from fiscal year 2005, the Pentagon bureaucrats calculated that its overseas bases were worth at least $127 billion -- surely far too low a figure but still larger than the gross domestic products of most countries -- and an estimated $658.1 billion for all of them, foreign and domestic (a base's "worth" is based on a Department of Defense estimate of what it would cost to replace it). During fiscal 2005, the military high command deployed to our overseas bases some 196,975 uniformed personnel as well as an equal number of dependents and Department of Defense civilian officials, and employed an additional 81,425 locally hired foreigners.

The worldwide total of U.S. military personnel in 2005, including those based domestically, was 1,840,062 supported by an additional 473,306 Defense Department civil service employees and 203,328 local hires. Its overseas bases, according to the Pentagon, contained 32,327 barracks, hangars, hospitals, and other buildings, which it owns, and 16,527 more that it leased. The size of these holdings was recorded in the inventory as covering 687,347 acres overseas and 29,819,492 acres worldwide, making the Pentagon easily one of the world's largest landlords.

These numbers, although staggeringly big, do not begin to cover all the actual bases we occupy globally. The 2005 Base Structure Report fails, for instance, to mention any garrisons in Kosovo (or Serbia, of which Kosovo is still officially a province) -- even though it is the site of the huge Camp Bondsteel built in 1999 and maintained ever since by the KBR corporation (formerly known as Kellogg Brown & Root), a subsidiary of the Halliburton Corporation of Houston.

The report similarly omits bases in Afghanistan, Iraq (106 garrisons as of May 2005), Israel, Kyrgyzstan, Qatar, and Uzbekistan, even though the U.S. military has established colossal base structures in the Persian Gulf and Central Asian areas since 9/11. By way of excuse, a note in the preface says that "facilities provided by other nations at foreign locations" are not included, although this is not strictly true. The report does include twenty sites in Turkey, all owned by the Turkish government and used jointly with the Americans. The Pentagon continues to omit from its accounts most of the $5 billion worth of military and espionage installations in Britain, which have long been conveniently disguised as Royal Air Force bases. If there were an honest count, the actual size of our military empire would probably top 1,000 different bases overseas, but no one -- possibly not even the Pentagon -- knows the exact number for sure.

Agent CSL
01-12-2008, 09:09 PM
Dr. Paul has said in a couple of debates that we have 700 bases 130 countries around the world. Do these maps support that statement? One says that we have personnel in 63 countries while we have personnel in 156.

Draft3.jpg doesn't show all the bases in the US, so he was probably referring to the US as well. I am not sure about military bases as I have never studied them. But the secrecy that the military had, I'm not surprised that it jumps around with the numbers. We might have more than people say, we might have less. Some are probably kept top secret.

:rolleyes:

Marty Duren
01-13-2008, 01:45 AM
Nicely done, Politicus. Thanks.

Opulen
01-13-2008, 01:48 AM
some actually small camps and not accounted for.

jglapski
01-13-2008, 02:17 AM
I believe this will do. The map shows active bases, former bases, forward operating locations, spy bases, and Echelon bases.

Any idea how recent that is?

Thanks Dutch!

That map shows an active US military base in Bermuda, which is incorrect. It was closed in 1995.

http://www.bermuda-online.org/milquit.htm

AdamT
01-13-2008, 02:38 AM
Draft3.jpg doesn't show all the bases in the US, so he was probably referring to the US as well. I am not sure about military bases as I have never studied them. But the secrecy that the military had, I'm not surprised that it jumps around with the numbers. We might have more than people say, we might have less. Some are probably kept top secret.

:rolleyes:

Re: Draft3.jpg - I just noticed this. Can anyone come up with a map showing all the US bases? The number Ron Paul says is "700 bases, 130 countries" so we pretty much need 700 dots on the world map, although if it's 500 no one will notice.

Obviously many of the 700 are secret and won't be on any map we have access to. So we'll have to fudge it a little :)

Having the US bases though will help get close to the 700 number. Map anyone?