What is the HQ's strategy in Michigan?

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Are they doing anything there? With no Democrat primary, we should be able to pick up a huge number of antiwar independents and maybe even Democrats.

Is the HQ doing ANYTHING in Michigan??

We should be running anti-war and economic reform ads there, if we actually had any! HQ: where is our f*cking antiwar ad??????????????????????????????????

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I just want to repeat: where is our f*cking antiwar ad????? :)

[Lord Xar]

Ron is an anti-war candidate with NO anti-war ad.
Ron is the ONLY candidate talking economics and monetary policy, he has NO ad bearing this message.
Ron is the taxpayers best friend and wants to elimnate the federal income tax and taxes on wages etc.., there is NO ad to denote this.

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He does have a cool "he's catching on" ad.. and one of him sitting in a dark room talking about freedom.

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[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Ron is an anti-war candidate with NO anti-war ad.

Ron is the ONLY candidate talking economics and monetary policy, he has NO ad bearing this message.

The HQ seems to be totally out to lunch on this, as if they are trying to hide who Ron actually is. It pisses me off. How could we be this far into the primaries with no antiwar ad?????

[parocks]

The HQ seems to be totally out to lunch on this, as if they are trying to hide who Ron actually is. It pisses me off. How could we be this far into the primaries with no antiwar ad?????

An antiwar ad would definitely be useful in Michigan.

Or something, anything, to hit Democrats in Michigan about Anti-War Republican Ron Paul.

One Primary - Republican - Democrats and Republicans can both vote in it.

[da32130]

Maybe they want general adds for TV and Radio.

The direct adds may come from the mail?

He is polling in 4th right now:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/mi/michigan_republican_primary-237.html

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

An antiwar ad would definitely be useful in Michigan.


It would also be useful in general, since it is Dr Paul's number 1 issue for god's sake!

[PaultheSaint]

And it's possible. I just got my grandmother afew hours ago(die hard Dem) to vote for RP Tuesday by showing here the "Ron Paul Supports the Troops" youtube video and some of his other stances on the economy.

Unfortunally she didn't know about the open primary and that the dems wern't being represented. Her innitail reaction was "no", becasue she thought she's haev to choose Rep over Dem in the election. I reassured her that there was no commitment. Vote Dem if you wish later on.

[bobbysheldon]

as a Michigan resident...basically nothing is happening here apart from grassroots efforts. The HQ's from what I gather aren't doing anything other than passing out lit and signs to the dedicated pavement walkers. I was at a meeting Monday at HQ to discuss their "strategy" for the last week.

Basically it is this...get democrats who are voting for obama to not vote undeclared (like their candidate has advised them to do) but to vote for Ron Paul as the anti-war "spoiler" vote. Quite honestly I couldn't believe it when I heard this strategy. If Ron Paul was not on the ballot and he had told me to vote undeclared...There really wouldn't be any listening to another campaign and have them tell me what to do. That's just a silly plan.

If there are any RP radio or TV ads running...I haven't heard them. I listen to wdtw in the morning (progressive talk) mostly to hear the dirt on the current band of misfits in power and I haven't heard a single RP ad. Here's a politically minded, anti-war audience and not a drop of RP. Idk...this is going to wind up being Romney country. Between him and Mccain the brainwashable were gone long ago.

Truly sad campaign here in MI from a PCC perspective. Grassroots is doing the best it can as always though. A good number of yardsigns and streetwalkers enough can't be said for a strong radio/TV campaign to seem (the terrible horrible phrase) viable.

[frasu]

as a Michigan resident...basically nothing is happening here apart from grassroots efforts. The HQ's from what I gather aren't doing anything other than passing out lit and signs to the dedicated pavement walkers. I was at a meeting Monday at HQ to discuss their "strategy" for the last week.

Basically it is this...get democrats who are voting for obama to not vote undeclared (like their candidate has advised them to do) but to vote for Ron Paul as the anti-war "spoiler" vote. Quite honestly I couldn't believe it when I heard this strategy. If Ron Paul was not on the ballot and he had told me to vote undeclared...There really wouldn't be any listening to another campaign and have them tell me what to do. That's just a silly plan.

If there are any RP radio or TV ads running...I haven't heard them. I listen to wdtw in the morning (progressive talk) mostly to hear the dirt on the current band of misfits in power and I haven't heard a single RP ad. Here's a politically minded, anti-war audience and not a drop of RP. Idk...this is going to wind up being Romney country. Between him and Mccain the brainwashable were gone long ago.

Truly sad campaign here in MI from a PCC perspective. Grassroots is doing the best it can as always though. A good number of yardsigns and streetwalkers enough can't be said for a strong radio/TV campaign to seem (the terrible horrible phrase) viable.

That sounds bad... RON ANTI-WAR in Michigan to attract the dems is a MUST
Can we chip in for some grasroot clips?

something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh-PxT12rpE&feature=PlayList&p=D96B9D7082569966&index=11

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I did hear mention that each district/precinct is "winner take all"? In other words, even if you take 2nd place in every district across Michigan, you get no delegates at all. Maybe the HQ thinks we could not take any one district, so it's not worth pumping a lot of money in to try to get third or whatever?

[LibertyEagle]

I am a tad bit frustrated and that is putting it extremely mildly.

[Karsten]

Did the campaign get more discouraged than us over the ia and nh losses?

[NeoRayden]

The problem is not with HQ but is with us. We expected a candidate to run for president that never wanted the office in the first place.

"Ron Paul isn’t running for president. He’s not going to be president, he’s not going to be the Republican nominee for president, and he never hoped to be. He got into the race to advance ideas—the ideas of peace, constitutional government, and freedom. Succeeding beyond his wildest dreams, he became the most visible so-called “libertarian” in America. And now he and his associates have slimed the noble cause of liberty and limited government. " - http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/01/11/ron-pauls-ugly-newsletters/

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

Are they doing anything there? With no Democrat primary, we should be able to pick up a huge number of antiwar independents and maybe even Democrats.

Is the HQ doing ANYTHING in Michigan??

We should be running anti-war and economic reform ads there, if we actually had any! HQ: where is our f*cking antiwar ad??????????????????????????????????

http://jdortch.com/DMG/RP_SAVE_GEN_FULL_07_WEB.mov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsVp938LNEg

I guess the grassroots will have to air it.

[ProfNo]

Are they doing anything there? With no Democrat primary, we should be able to pick up a huge number of antiwar independents and maybe even Democrats.

Is the HQ doing ANYTHING in Michigan??

We should be running anti-war and economic reform ads there, if we actually had any! HQ: where is our f*cking antiwar ad??????????????????????????????????

I started a thread to this affect as soon as I heard that there where no delegates for the dems:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=45593

At that time, there was plenty of time to peruse a strategy of converting dems. No, sadly, it is too late.

I think that we missed a huge opportunity here. Michigan was ours to take, but now we will be lucky to get third.

Nevada is the remaining state before Feb 5 that sounds at all promising.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

The problem is not with HQ but is with us. We expected a candidate to run for president that never wanted the office in the first place.

"Ron Paul isn’t running for president. He’s not going to be president, he’s not going to be the Republican nominee for president, and he never hoped to be. He got into the race to advance ideas—the ideas of peace, constitutional government, and freedom. Succeeding beyond his wildest dreams, he became the most visible so-called “libertarian” in America. And now he and his associates have slimed the noble cause of liberty and limited government. " - http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/01/11/ron-pauls-ugly-newsletters/

Don't post that fucking garbage here. GTFO troll. :mad:

[NeoRayden]

I have hit the democratic meetup groups in MI but if you know of other boards please post the following to them:



ATTENTION ANTI-WAR MICHIGAN DEMOCRATS!

DON'T WASTE YOUR VOTE ON A LIE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsVp938LNEg

IT DOESN'T MATTER if you support Hilary Clinton, or if you vote "UNCOMITTED" because you support Edwards, Obama or Biden.

THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE HAS STRIPPED MICHGAN OF ALL OF ITS DELEGATES. YOUR VOTE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT ON WHO GETS NOMINATED.

Don't take my word for it, look at mainstream news sources on the Internet:

http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2007/12/03/State/State.Stripped.Of.Dnc.Delegates-3128064.shtml?refsource=collegeheadlines

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/politics-1/119973006375700.xml&storylist=newsmichigan#continue

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7588242&nav=0Rce

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/01/politics/main3561941.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_3561941

The Democratic Party of Michigan is trying to avoid embarrassment for their blunder by telling you that your vote will count. Don't be played the fool.

THERE IS A WAY TO MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT: CROSS-OVER AND VOTE FOR THE ONLY ANTI-WAR REPUBLICAN. SEND A MESSAGE! THEN YOU WILL STILL BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT IN NOVEMBER 2008.

Even if your favorite Democrat loses, the troops will still come safely home.

WHO IS THE ONLY ANTI-WAR REPUBLICAN?

RON PAUL

Mich. delegates barred from DNC

"VIENNA, Va. (AP) ? Democratic leaders voted Saturday to strip Michigan of all its delegates to the national convention next year as punishment for scheduling an early presidential primary in violation of party rules.

Michigan, with 156 delegates, has scheduled a Jan. 15 primary. Democratic Party rules prohibit states other than Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina from holding nominating contests before Feb. 5.

Florida was hit with a similar penalty in August for scheduling a Jan. 29 primary.

Michigan officials anticipated the action by the Democratic National Committee's rules panel. But Michigan Democratic Chairman Mark Brewer said before the vote that he didn't think the delegates would be lost for good. "

USA Today. December 3, 2007 ( Mich. delegates barred from DNC)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-01-michigan-primary_N.htm?csp=34



National convention hotel rooms taken away from Michigan Dems
1/7/2008

By KATHY BARKS HOFFMAN

The Associated Press

"LANSING, Mich. (AP) ? Michigan Democrats no longer can count on getting hotel rooms at their national convention in Denver.

The Democratic National Committee's Rules Committee last month stripped Michigan of its 156 national convention delegates as punishment for scheduling an early presidential primary in violation of party rules. State party officials had until Saturday to come up with an alternative to the Jan. 15 contest, but declined to do so."

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/politics-1/119973006375700.xml&storylist=newsmichigan

[bobmurph]

The problem is not with HQ but is with us. We expected a candidate to run for president that never wanted the office in the first place.

"Ron Paul isn’t running for president. He’s not going to be president, he’s not going to be the Republican nominee for president, and he never hoped to be. He got into the race to advance ideas—the ideas of peace, constitutional government, and freedom. Succeeding beyond his wildest dreams, he became the most visible so-called “libertarian” in America. And now he and his associates have slimed the noble cause of liberty and limited government. " - http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/01/11/ron-pauls-ugly-newsletters/

Fuck off, Troll.

[WRellim]

After a careful investigation, I have decided against running advertisements in Michigan. I am confident that not running ads there is the right decision.

I carefully considered the arguments for and against running ads before instructing my campaign staff not to pursue it. Without a firm belief that running ads would have increased the chances for success of our campaign, it would have diverted campaign resources, time, and energy away from crucial battles elsewhere.

Frankly, we need $23 million more to have a chance of beating the establishment candidates, even though we have decided against spending any of it on advertising in the early states. But New Mexico is another story. There is a state and a people tailor-made for us. We feel that we can gain enough momentum from that primary to go directly into the National Convention with a resoundingly solid fourth place.

Today, I ask you to join me in focusing on the battles ahead as we continue our fight for liberty and our Constitution. Bother the enemy, help the good cause: make your most generous contribution https://www.ponraul2008.com/donate/, and let's roll up our sleeves and get to work, together.

Sincerely,

Pon Raul

Obviously the above is sarcasm. After all, the grassroots supporters MUST trust that a "secret plan" exists and that, despite all of the evidence to the contrary, the official campaign DOES know what it is doing. Mission Accomplished. Stay the Course. Heckava job Brownie!

Now shut up and donate more money!

Hows that? Do you understand the plan now?



BTW, No, I am not a troll... instead I'm an early member of the 2300 club, and run 2 local meetups ...and all I got was a stupid 7.6% in a NH primary. Needless to say, I'm more than a bit po'ed, and sadly, am starting to think that RP's management skills are a close second to GWB's as they seem to be based on the same criteria.