Paul AT 9% in Michigan [Archive] - Ron Paul Forums / Liberty Forest

WillInMiami

01-12-2008, 02:26 PM

The polls are inaccurate. Most Ron Paul supporters dont have phones. Most are first time voters. Look how we were right about Ron Paul winning New Hampshire, when the polls said he would get under 10%!

Are you drunk and/or high? The polls in NH were nearly dead-on. I thought that we've already established that the polls are, for the most part, somewhat accurate.

Karsten

01-12-2008, 02:27 PM

How are we even getting 9%, with no campaign presence there?

Bilgefisher

01-12-2008, 02:28 PM

woohoo! 5th place here we come!

I think that shows 4th place. Also Ron Paul is polling higher then Gulliani and Thompson.

Dave Wood

01-12-2008, 02:28 PM

What is wrong with you all?? Cheer up. There are a lot of unforeseen events yet to happen. People are waking up, its a slow process because the msm keeps trying to put them back to sleep.

hummtide

01-12-2008, 02:31 PM

Are you drunk and/or high? The polls in NH were nearly dead-on. I thought that we've already established that the polls are, for the most part, somewhat accurate.

Dont tell Obama that!

hummtide

01-12-2008, 02:32 PM

How are we even getting 9%, with no campaign presence there?

Oh.. Im gonna go out on a limb here and guess.. oh I dont know..

GRASSROOTS MAYBE?

defcreative

01-12-2008, 02:32 PM

Thats impressive considering the campaign is spending very little there, especially compared to the other candidates. At least a 4th place win will be a positive trend.

xerigen

01-12-2008, 02:32 PM

3rd place is VERY possible in Michigan. I've seen polls where we are tied for 4th with Giuliani/ ahead of Thompson and only 2 or 3% behind Huckabee. MICHIGAN IS EASY TO GET VOTERS. The democrats don't get any delegates! When I was home from school over Christmas/New Years break, I live in Wayne county. Wayne county is nearly 70% democratic (look it up on wikipedia), and I'd say 95/100 of the people that I talk to WILL VOTE FOR RON PAUL. Some people will still vote for Hillary regardless, but the democrats are very easy to win over!

DJ RP

01-12-2008, 02:33 PM

He was being sarcastic clearly

Sentinelrv

01-12-2008, 02:33 PM

Weren't we at 3% a little bit ago?

Eponym_mi

01-12-2008, 02:34 PM

MayTheRonBeWithYou

01-12-2008, 02:38 PM

Lol, not bad. We're owning Rudy and FredHorn Leghorn.

I think independents can vote in that primary, no? If so, we should court the antiwar vote there, since the Dem race is not contested. Obama is not even on the ballot.

Dan.

01-12-2008, 04:08 PM

How are we even getting 9%, with no campaign presence there?

I was in the Detroit suburbs around New Year's, and I saw only ron paul signs. Not many, but definitely 0 other candidates. There's some presence there.

AlexMerced

01-12-2008, 04:50 PM

thisis very positive it's a point up from yesterday, plus turnout is gonna be less for the other candidates without the same organization they had Nh and IA, but we'll have the same turnout cause we don't need organization

literatim

01-12-2008, 04:52 PM

I wonder how many Democrats we can get to vote.

dkim68

01-12-2008, 04:52 PM

woohoo! 5th place here we come!
LOL

dkim68

01-12-2008, 04:53 PM

3rd place is VERY possible in Michigan. I've seen polls where we are tied for 4th with Giuliani/ ahead of Thompson and only 2 or 3% behind Huckabee.
3rd place won't happen if Diebold machines give Ron Paul votes to Ghouliani or Romney like they did in NH. I mean, what are we going to have throughout this election? A state-by-state recount? I can't believe how screwed up this country is.

Indy Vidual

01-12-2008, 04:54 PM

Devil_rules_in_extremes

01-12-2008, 04:54 PM

How are we even getting 9%, with no campaign presence there?

It's called GRASSROOTS.

Myerz

01-12-2008, 04:55 PM

Are we gonna make the same assumptions for every state? We need to learn from our mistakes (whatever they are from state to state) so they we improve from state to state.

Believe the polls /\ Don't believe the polls !!!! Someone make up my mind!

PaultheSaint

01-12-2008, 04:55 PM

I was in the Detroit suburbs around New Year's, and I saw only ron paul signs. Not many, but definitely 0 other candidates. There's some presence there.

I can honestly say in the last 3 months I have only seen 2 Mitt signs, 1 hillary yard sign and a hillary bumper sticker. And I travel the state a lot. I have seen litterally hundreds and hundreds of RP signs. On businesses, yards, rural areas, farmland, expressways, everywhere.

I guess if that's any indication....

squirrelbrewer

01-12-2008, 04:57 PM

I was up in Monroe County and our group was getting lots of honks from passing cars. One even had a bumper sticker, another car stopped by for more info. 4th place is possible.

dircha

01-12-2008, 04:57 PM

The polls are useless in this primary. Dem cross overs will prove that. The pollsters aren't telling Dems that their vote is essentially useless, nor are they asking Dems whether they plan to cross over to muck up the Republican primary.

Democratic voters planning to vote in the Reublican primary are included in these polls. First time voters are also included.

They don't poll from Republican voter rolls. They poll everyone, and then they narrow it down based on how certain the voter reports he or she is to vote.

What they can't capture is how many people don't decide who they will vote for until the day of the primary, or who don't decide they will go until the day of the primary.

N13

01-12-2008, 05:05 PM

Beating Thompson and the Ghoul is key. Keep knocking their dicks in the dirt until they drop out. Its a battle of attrition.

Thompson may go before Super Tuesday.
Romney needs a win badly. If he doesn't get one soon, he will drop out.
Rudy is low on cash and counting on Florida to save him. He might stay in his coffin if he fails.

Huckabee is good to have around for a little longer.
McCain will self implode under the weight of his ego. In a three way debate between these two, Ron Paul will destroy.

dirka

01-12-2008, 05:16 PM

I hope that the campaign is telling every Obama supporter to Vote for Ron Paul, because even though there are no delegates at stake for the dems, the media will still be reporting the vote count to determine support for someone. And if they all vote for Ron, They can say that a vote for Ron is a vote for Obama and then its win win. Obama will still have his support, and Ron can win Michigan and then its 2 anti war candidates in November!!

PaultheSaint

01-12-2008, 05:17 PM

Local ABC Detroit just reported him at last at 3%

Joe3113

01-12-2008, 05:20 PM

Thats impressive considering the campaign is spending very little there, especially compared to the other candidates. At least a 4th place win will be a positive trend.

Also impressive considering the GOP base is a bunch of f*cktard neocons.

MayTheRonBeWithYou

01-12-2008, 05:23 PM

What is the HQ doing in Michigan??

The Lantern

01-12-2008, 05:23 PM

How are we even getting 9%, with no campaign presence there?

Ron promised to pardon all non-violent drug offenders.

parocks

01-12-2008, 05:26 PM

Oh.. Im gonna go out on a limb here and guess.. oh I dont know..

GRASSROOTS MAYBE?

Crossover Democrats?
The Democrat primary doesn't count for anything (no delegates)
It's an open primary.

I'd tell Democrats in Michigan (by robocall?)
about Anti-War Republican Ron Paul.

Razmear

01-12-2008, 05:26 PM

Obama isn't on the MI ballot cuz of the 'penalties' imposed by the DNC so we have a very good chance of getting a lot of dem votes from folks who just can not vote for Hillary.

eb

NerveShocker

01-12-2008, 05:28 PM

Are you drunk and/or high? The polls in NH were nearly dead-on. I thought that we've already established that the polls are, for the most part, somewhat accurate.

I guess you missed his sarcasm completely. I still don't find polls accurate, Obama they had winning by 8-12%(Up to 15% difference) and Hillary won by 3%. I don't know if there was fraud or not but I'm glad we have people checking. Have to keep Diebold in line ;) I agree with Ron Paul's decision not to recount though of course he explained his reasoning quite well.

BLS

01-12-2008, 05:29 PM

I think that shows 4th place. Also Ron Paul is polling higher then Gulliani and Thompson.

This is the point right here.

It's ok to not win. It's NOT OK to not beat one of the frontrunners.

Minlawc

01-12-2008, 05:33 PM

I think it must be a result of the SC debate.

Paul really knocked that one out of the park!

stewie3128

01-12-2008, 06:06 PM

The Kos crew are goin to try to f the Republican nomination up for us by crossing over and voting for Mitt Romney. Not that they've been all that successful in getting their guy elected before.

Galileo Galilei

01-12-2008, 06:10 PM

Are you drunk and/or high? The polls in NH were nearly dead-on. I thought that we've already established that the polls are, for the most part, somewhat accurate.

The polls are rigged, until we get closer to the election. Then they can be checked. The Michigan election is getting closer. There is no reason for RP's poll numbers to go up in Michigan as he has not been campaigning there, nor running ads. His poll numbers are going up so the pollsters can cover their ass.

btw - the final Iowa polls from 10 major pollsters averaged to 6% and RP got 10%.

Razmear

01-12-2008, 06:21 PM

Recovering Socialist

01-12-2008, 06:29 PM

A different poll puts Ron at 8%, still solid.

Republican Candidate MI
Pollster Mitchell
Date 1/9-10/08
John McCain 23%
Mitt Romney 17%
Mike Huckabee 11%
Rudy Giuliani 8%
Ron Paul 8%

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/

We all know Ron Paul supporters have no land lines, and those that do don't trust strangers that call(they think they are FBI Secret Service or worse NSA) Ron Paul supporters never voted before, because they all turned 18 in 2007.

I have a friend who knows a guy, that knows another guy that does polling for democrats that says that Ron Paul is polling 10% in demo polling.

So lets add this up

18yo's not polled 5%
Democrats not polled 10%
Ron Paul supporters with no land line 15%
Percentage coverage of my ass with hair 4%

Lets total this up.... Ron Paul gets 34% and if he doesn't I will request a recount or move to Canada.

frasu

01-12-2008, 06:35 PM

Indys and Dems can vote for Ron. :)
Michigan is very urgent and important.

WE NEED THE Anti-War Democrats...

We could

Run our own TV Ads ( like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh-PxT12rpE&feature=PlayList&p=D96B9D7082569966&index=11 or other exaples for sure floating around)
Phone calls
Asking for obama grassroots help

dkim68

01-12-2008, 06:45 PM

Well obviously the Neo-Cons see McCain as their pro-War Alpha-Dog. We have to stop this.

WillInMiami

01-12-2008, 06:45 PM

I guess you missed his sarcasm completely. I still don't find polls accurate, Obama they had winning by 8-12%(Up to 15% difference) and Hillary won by 3%. I don't know if there was fraud or not but I'm glad we have people checking. Have to keep Diebold in line ;) I agree with Ron Paul's decision not to recount though of course he explained his reasoning quite well.

I guess you missed the fact that the polls were pretty correct with regards to Paul. As for the democrat race, I could give two shites about the accuracy of the polls...

anewvoice

01-12-2008, 07:34 PM

I've never been polled, but that said I would be very excited to pull a solid 9% here in Michigan. Here's why:

1) No television commercials
2) Limited radio topic exposure, NAFTA is great, but we could have used more
3) Minimal Ron Paul campaigning in Michigan
4) All effort has been by the grassroots

We have more signs than anyone here, and I've personally received commitments from 15-17 friends/family to vote for Ron Paul who have never previously voted in a primary. But as in the other states we are outnumbered by the "show up n vote for the tv winner" crowd..

I for one will be excited for 5th place and 9% here in Michigan. Anything more has to be considered a huge upset.

Karsten

01-12-2008, 07:47 PM

WE NEED THE Anti-War Democrats...

We could

Run our own TV Ads ( like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh-PxT12rpE&feature=PlayList&p=D96B9D7082569966&index=11 or other exaples for sure floating around)
Phone calls
Asking for obama grassroots help

yeah but we only have like what, 2 days?

The Plan

01-12-2008, 08:27 PM

How are we even getting 9%, with no campaign presence there?
It's simple
All the people i know in Michigan that are for Ron Paul are all extremely militant about their support. The only other signs i see around Detroit are Mitt Romney signs and the ratio is about 20-1 in favor of Ron on the sign displaying. The only bumper stickers i see are all Ron Paul or left over Kerry/Edwards stickers from the last election. His message really is powerful here but it needs to get out. They are morons at the campaign if they don't start running commercials right now. I think it's possible that Ron could do better than the polls but honestly i see Romney winning 1st. It didn't have to be like that, the campaign should have really used this opportunity. I really think he could have had an actual shot on getting the union vote and i tried to pull some strings to get him a speaking engagement at the headquarters a few months ago that would have actually happened if i would have gotten a confirmation back from the campaign but i never even got a return call or e-mail. Somebody was asleep at the wheel on Michigan. I have done my best on my own and have converted almost my entire family (which is huge BTW) and almost every friend i have. All this would have taken by the campaign was a little attention. Him not making first is not the fault of the grassroots here, it's the fault of the campaign.

RevolutionSD

01-12-2008, 08:45 PM

RP is going to BLOW AWAY his poll numbers in one of these states.
Let's hope it's Michigan or SC or BOTH!

PaultheSaint

01-12-2008, 08:49 PM

are Mitt Romney signs and the ratio is about 20-1 in favor of Ron

You're are being extremly kind witht hat figure.

A Ron Paul Rebel

01-12-2008, 09:11 PM

Are you drunk and/or high? The polls in NH were nearly dead-on. I thought that we've already established that the polls are, for the most part, somewhat accurate.

You are the one that must be high!!!
If you aren't aware, the votes were rigged to show less than 10%.
The polls aren't even close... damn it, get a clue.

wgadget

01-12-2008, 09:18 PM

People in MI are hurting economically. I have a couple of friends that live up there...I saw them over the holidays and they already KNEW about Ron Paul AND all the corruption going on in the elite class.

They wanted a yard sign to take home with them, so I gave them one.

AzNsOuLjAh27

01-12-2008, 09:31 PM

I've lived in 8 mile and E. Lansing, and I have to say Michigan is one of the most liberal places I've seen in a while. Besides the cops, this is why it would be so easy to win over votes in that State. If we lose Michigan, I'm just going to work harder to win Everyone in Ny, to replace their votes.