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andrewgreve
01-11-2008, 11:37 AM
You all had better be listening to Alex today! (Albert Howard just paid for the beginning of the recount process, and has sorted everything out with the secretary of state in NH to get this started.)

Mort
01-11-2008, 11:44 AM
Do we know how long this will take? When the recount results will be available.

The00viper
01-11-2008, 11:52 AM
If they can count them in a matter of hours on the night of the primary, then they better have it done before Monday.

ecliptic
01-11-2008, 11:54 AM
Listen live here (http://www.infowars.com/listen.html)

tsetsefly
01-11-2008, 11:55 AM
Do we know how long this will take? When the recount results will be available.

!, lets just hope it makes a difference, lol...

EvilEngineer
01-11-2008, 11:56 AM
How are they going to recount the diebold machine crap? The hand-count was perfectly fine. Obama was 1st, and Dr. Paul was 3rd. But the diebold machines don't have a way to track accurately the results vote by vote. And there is about an 90% chance that they will discover the machine's receipt tape screwed up in most machines.

freshout06
01-11-2008, 11:56 AM
if the results end up being the same, then we will look stupid

andrewgreve
01-11-2008, 11:56 AM
I know the Fulford interview might be a stretch, but I'm a believer after listening to everything Fulford said on Rense, watching him interview Rockefeller, and now this... It all makes too much sense.

ItsTime
01-11-2008, 11:58 AM
the diebold machines here are optical. there is a paper ballot scanned through the machine to be counted. the ballot is still in tact and can be hand counted.


How are they going to recount the diebold machine crap? The hand-count was perfectly fine. Obama was 1st, and Dr. Paul was 3rd. But the diebold machines don't have a way to track accurately the results vote by vote. And there is about an 90% chance that they will discover the machine's receipt tape screwed up in most machines.

joshuastjohn
01-11-2008, 12:02 PM
Who does the counting? Can they be trusted to count accurately?

szczebrzeszyn
01-11-2008, 12:03 PM
How are they going to recount the diebold machine crap? The hand-count was perfectly fine. Obama was 1st, and Dr. Paul was 3rd. But the diebold machines don't have a way to track accurately the results vote by vote. And there is about an 90% chance that they will discover the machine's receipt tape screwed up in most machines.

Well, I've read somewhere else, that the machines used there were only counting the votes. So you used the paper to choose your candidate and the machine just counted that vote. Your paper should be still available. The other machines are used to cast votes and they would be a problem because of no receipt. I don't know if my information is correct though and which types of machines were used in NH. Correct me if I'm wrong.

mmink15
01-11-2008, 12:04 PM
whn does the show start?

szczebrzeszyn
01-11-2008, 12:04 PM
the diebold machines here are optical. there is a paper ballot scanned through the machine to be counted. the ballot is still in tact and can be hand counted.

Thanks, that's what I was thinking.

Voluntaryist
01-11-2008, 12:04 PM
You all had better be listening to Alex today! (Albert Howard just paid for the beginning of the recount process, and has sorted everything out with the secretary of state in NH to get this started.)

No way!!! And Kucinich is supporting it, right?

Truth Warrior
01-11-2008, 12:05 PM
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing, those that count the votes decide everything." -- Joseph Stalin

Swmorgan77
01-11-2008, 12:08 PM
the diebold machines here are optical. there is a paper ballot scanned through the machine to be counted. the ballot is still in tact and can be hand counted.

Yep those are the good ones... well the better ones anyway. There is a paper trail at least.

thomaseusin
01-11-2008, 12:08 PM
if the results end up being the same, then we will look stupid

why?

nbhadja
01-11-2008, 12:12 PM
if the results end up being the same, then we will look stupid

First of all RP did not order the recount. That and you are troll.

2nd to the other guy, diebold machines have paper trails!!

People, research stuff before you post BS.

Paulbot_9876
01-11-2008, 12:12 PM
what we have to be concerned about is what bev said....they could have a plan b if caught....they would have ballots allready filled out and ready to be switched.....that would be quite easy to do if they actually knew how many people was voting......but i find that to be quite hard for them to pull this off if they went that route to cover their asses.....

Shink
01-11-2008, 12:15 PM
I know the Fulford interview might be a stretch, but I'm a believer after listening to everything Fulford said on Rense, watching him interview Rockefeller, and now this... It all makes too much sense.

What'd he say? I missed the show until right now, because I was trying to listen through iTunes like I always do. I've never listened to Rense, either. When's he on?

To successfully hear any AJ show today, I had to go to GCNlive.com and click listen live and play channel 1 on realplayer.

SteveMartin
01-11-2008, 12:17 PM
the diebold machines here are optical. there is a paper ballot scanned through the machine to be counted. the ballot is still in tact and can be hand counted.

An we know the paper ballot is still "intact" (and hasn't been swapped out) how?

szczebrzeszyn
01-11-2008, 12:20 PM
An we know the paper ballot is still "intact" (and hasn't been swapped out) how?

With this logic, you can label everything a fraud.

joenaab
01-11-2008, 12:22 PM
what we have to be concerned about is what bev said....they could have a plan b if caught....they would have ballots allready filled out and ready to be switched.....that would be quite easy to do if they actually knew how many people was voting......but i find that to be quite hard for them to pull this off if they went that route to cover their asses.....

That is a legitimate concern that can't be addresses by recount. It would involve a civil action on the part of the people to conduct an audit of the physical ballots. I'm not sure what the ballots look like, if the voter filled out name and address, provided a signature, etc.

It might go something like this: Ballots would be taken randomly from those used for the recount and would be presented to the original voter for authentication of vote, signature, etc.

This is an uphill battle. To arrange for the falsification of tens of thousands of ballots is no small undertaking. One would have to trace the chain of custody from voter to recount facility and interview under oath everyone who handled them along the way, searching for where and when was the greatest opportunity for tampering.

Shink
01-11-2008, 12:22 PM
With this logic, you can label everything a fraud.

The exception here is that there has been precedent to this. Wikipedia Bev Harris.

JMann
01-11-2008, 12:24 PM
Well, I've read somewhere else, that the machines used there were only counting the votes. So you used the paper to choose your candidate and the machine just counted that vote. Your paper should be still available. The other machines are used to cast votes and they would be a problem because of no receipt. I don't know if my information is correct though and which types of machines were used in NH. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If it is anything like where I vote it is just like your SAT test, optical scanning. Maybe I should of demanded a hand recount after the test!

Jimmy
01-11-2008, 12:27 PM
I fairly certain....last time I voted in Georgia it was on a electric machine...and I never picked up a pencil except to sign in before I voted...I never touched a piece of paper writing down anything about who I was voting for........so the only paper trail was created by the poll workers...if any...correct? Educate me please and excuse my ignorance on how these things work.

readyja
01-11-2008, 12:32 PM
I fairly certain....last time I voted in Georgia it was on a electric machine...and I never picked up a pencil except to sign in before I voted...I never touched a piece of paper writing down anything about who I was voting for........so the only paper trail was created by the poll workers...if any...correct? Educate me please and excuse my ignorance on how these things work.

Every state, and pretty much every district is different, and chooses the machines they use.

ecliptic
01-11-2008, 12:35 PM
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2156/picture69ep2.png (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEdcvUek6-s)

( click image for 0:31 YouTube video )

Fyretrohl
01-11-2008, 12:37 PM
Diebold has two primary machines...

1 - Scantron type - This is the one with a paper ballot that gets 'read' by the machine.

2 - Touch screen - Good luck finding a paper trail here.

Jimmy
01-11-2008, 12:51 PM
Diebold has two primary machines...

1 - Scantron type - This is the one with a paper ballot that gets 'read' by the machine.

2 - Touch screen - Good luck finding a paper trail here.

My point exactly... as I remember (I'm fairly certain) we used a touch screen....how on earth could there be some form of recount of that? I assume, if anything, this could only be done by the poll workers ( who were at a main terminal computer...again as well as I remember) who could take notes of votes as they came in....assuming they were accurate getting to the touch screens to main terminal....again this is my best memory of the process

mikeInAZ
01-11-2008, 12:56 PM
Albert Howard paid a $2,000 fee, but I thought I read somewhere on this forum that it was 60K for a recount. I mean, the guy had 44 votes. Do you think he will follow through, or is he just trying to get some press here?

Paulbot_9876
01-11-2008, 01:02 PM
Albert Howard paid a $2,000 fee, but I thought I read somewhere on this forum that it was 60K for a recount. I mean, the guy had 44 votes. Do you think he will follow through, or is he just trying to get some press here?

it could go higher than 60000....each county counted is more money involved for the count...

Grandson of Liberty
01-11-2008, 01:02 PM
Diebold has two primary machines...

1 - Scantron type - This is the one with a paper ballot that gets 'read' by the machine.

2 - Touch screen - Good luck finding a paper trail here.

In my precinct in southern calif., we have touch screen, with a scrolling paper trail you confirm before finalizing your vote.

dsentell
01-11-2008, 01:15 PM
Albert Howard paid a $2,000 fee, but I thought I read somewhere on this forum that it was 60K for a recount. I mean, the guy had 44 votes. Do you think he will follow through, or is he just trying to get some press here?

I think RP supporters are backing him to do this, just as I believe Obama supporters are backing Kucinich for a Democrat recount.

Paulbot_9876
01-11-2008, 01:18 PM
In my precinct in southern calif., we have touch screen, with a scrolling paper trail you confirm before finalizing your vote.

last time i voted was for perot here in pa...no paper nothing.....hell the sheetz touch screens give you a very accurate reciept of your food order but yet the machine i voted on here in pa. had not a single piece of paper at all.....

LarryWhite
01-11-2008, 01:18 PM
Albert Howard paid a $2,000 fee, but I thought I read somewhere on this forum that it was 60K for a recount. I mean, the guy had 44 votes. Do you think he will follow through, or is he just trying to get some press here?

If a candidate received less than 2% of the vote, the fee is only $2000. That's why Kucinich agreed to pay for a recount on the dem side.

Thrice
01-11-2008, 01:18 PM
I'm lost and currently at work. Is there a link besides the radio show?

Paulbot_9876
01-11-2008, 01:20 PM
If a candidate received less than 2% of the vote, the fee is only $2000. That's why Kucinich agreed to pay for a recount on the dem side.


i just heard that was not for a full recount of every county.....they have to pay for police escort of all the ballots and machines to be guarded when they are moved to a different location for a recount....

dawnbt
01-11-2008, 01:21 PM
what we have to be concerned about is what bev said....they could have a plan b if caught....they would have ballots allready filled out and ready to be switched.....that would be quite easy to do if they actually knew how many people was voting......but i find that to be quite hard for them to pull this off if they went that route to cover their asses.....

+1

Starks
01-11-2008, 01:39 PM
If they can count them in a matter of hours on the night of the primary, then they better have it done before Monday.

I would prefer a thorough recount over a speedy one.

RonPaulVolunteer
01-11-2008, 01:43 PM
if the results end up being the same, then we will look stupid

Posters with 3 posts making comments like this look stupid.

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Iwantchange
01-11-2008, 01:53 PM
I agree, if were going to do a recount then we should get a thorough recount over a speedy recount. I means lets do it right if were going to do it.

LJHudd
01-11-2008, 02:21 PM
There should always be an automatic re-count, right after the first one - by different individuals.

Wish that would be the law. Why we have to pay for a re-count is pathetic.


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Anyway, here in our precinct, our voting machines have no paper trail. Every time I vote, I wonder who 'really' got it.

Itzsoez
01-11-2008, 02:33 PM
Originally Posted by freshout06 View Post
if the results end up being the same, then we will look stupid

Why would we look stupid when Albert Howard is getting the recount started?

who does Albert Howard represent?

RonRules
01-11-2008, 02:50 PM
Wana bet the Diebold machines will be found 100% accurate?

lynnf
01-11-2008, 02:56 PM
Albert Howard paid a $2,000 fee, but I thought I read somewhere on this forum that it was 60K for a recount. I mean, the guy had 44 votes. Do you think he will follow through, or is he just trying to get some press here?


the $2K is jus to get started --- they tell you how much it will take later, and they
usually make it hurt so much that you'll think twice, or even thrice.

lynn

lynnf
01-11-2008, 02:57 PM
Why would we look stupid when Albert Howard is getting the recount started?

who does Albert Howard represent?

he is a candidate

lynn

RoC
01-11-2008, 03:42 PM
Dennis Kucinich Interview:
http://www.ronpaulaudio.com/rpaudio/ReCountAlexJonesKucinich011108.mp3
Albert Howard Interview:
http://www.ronpaulaudio.com/rpaudio/ReCountAlexJonesAlbertHowardInterview011108.mp3

smartguy911
01-11-2008, 03:44 PM
You all had better be listening to Alex today! (Albert Howard just paid for the beginning of the recount process, and has sorted everything out with the secretary of state in NH to get this started.)

how are they going to recount votes from electronic machine that leave no paper trail?

RPSignbomb
01-11-2008, 03:48 PM
First of all RP did not order the recount. That and you are troll.

2nd to the other guy, diebold machines have paper trails!!

People, research stuff before you post BS.

Your an asshole - why call the guy a troll?