Real ID mandated for 2017 by Homeland Security

[BizmanUSA]

Ron Paul has been warning us!!!

Been announced all morning by Head Line News

Homeland Security has mandated that ALL states replace the drivers licenses of its residents by the year 2017! with Real ID cards :eek:

This is NOT an option - So when did this pass congress or is this one of those items from that ream of paper (and many trees) that is referred to as the Patriot Act II?

This is pure crazy - When are we going to be Mad as Hell and not take it anymore? :mad:

The states are complaining that the Real ID is too expensive to produce

BizmanUSA

[ronpaulblogsdotcom]

I thought Real ID was happening in May of this year, 2008. Has that changed or is it voluntary?

[N13]

Ron Paul to the rescue.

This will help the cause. People do not want "the mark of the beast."

[BizmanUSA]

I thought Real ID was happening in May of this year, 2008. Has that changed or is it voluntary?

I didn't know it was actually ever authorized!

Wasn't that one of the debate issues??

Who needs an election when we have Home Land Security to think for us and enforce what we do?

[jaumen]

Yeah, does anyone know what's going on with this yet? As I've understood it many states have passed legislation against it, but does that do anything to stop the federal legislation?

[Ack]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/11/real.id.ap/index.html

[Stealth4]

VA is fighting real ID legislation now.

anyone interested in helping email this guy. (not me)


allan AT ronintheoval DOT com

[BizmanUSA]

Yeah, does anyone know what's going on with this yet? As I've understood it many states have passed legislation against it, but does that do anything to stop the federal legislation?

Did I miss something?

When did it become federal legislation? :confused:

I know the Real ID has been HIGHLY debated but this announcement is/has made the 2nd Amendment HISTORY

[Anti Federalist]

This is the media spin.

This is a VICTORY.

The new National ID card was supposed to be in place no later than 2008, but because we and the states have been raising hell about it, they graciously pushed back the compliance (God I hate that word anymore) dates to 2018.

17 states have said no.

Get the rest to say the same.

They can't arrest all of us.

[FireofLiberty]

Unfortunitely, my state is bending over backwards on this thing and LIKING IT!

I've been doing whatever I can to get the word out about it. I'm considering taking out a full page ad in the newspaper about it, which would also mention how RP is opposed to it if I did. It would also include a list of all the members of the NC Congressional delegation who voted for it.

[Anti Federalist]

Unfortunitely, my state is bending over backwards on this thing and LIKING IT!

I've been doing whatever I can to get the word out about it. I'm considering taking out a full page ad in the newspaper about it, which would also mention how RP is opposed to it if I did. It would also include a list of all the members of the NC Congressional delegation who voted for it.

North Carolina I'm assuming.

You guys also have the NAU hologram logo on your new "papers" as well.

[Drea]

Unfortunitely, my state is bending over backwards on this thing and LIKING IT!

I've been doing whatever I can to get the word out about it. I'm considering taking out a full page ad in the newspaper about it, which would also mention how RP is opposed to it if I did. It would also include a list of all the members of the NC Congressional delegation who voted for it.

Sounds like a great ad to me ---run it!

Really though, your state is bending over forwards and is gonna get it. Will they like it though? Hah!

Hope you can be a part of doing something about this for NC.

Drea

[rollingpig]

how about we get some REAL democracy instead?

[jaumen]

Did I miss something?

When did it become federal legislation? :confused:

I know the Real ID has been HIGHLY debated but this announcement is/has made the 2nd Amendment HISTORY

It was pushed through buried in some completely unrelated bill (some kind of foreign aid or something) awhile back... was supposed to go into effect in May, but from what people are saying here it sounds like it's been delayed by quite a few years. Now we just have to fight to get rid of the idea completely.

[BizmanUSA]

how about we get some REAL democracy instead?

Got my vote for Ron Paul!

[Anti Federalist]

It was pushed through buried in some completely unrelated bill

Emergency Spending Act in 2005

[BizmanUSA]

It was pushed through buried in some completely unrelated bill (some kind of foreign aid or something) awhile back... was supposed to go into effect in May, but from what people are saying here it sounds like it's been delayed by quite a few years. Now we just have to fight to get rid of the idea completely.

Why can't we DEMAND that bills in congress be mandated to have no more than 10 directly related issues to the topic bill?

They restrict us so WE restrict them!

Yes this will increase the number of bills but no more sneaky "by the light of the midnight oil" passages that only the guilty know what's in it.

BTW, since we are counting into the trillions and beyond surely limiting the content segments would not be a issue - Hah, Bundle This!

BizmanUSA

[FireofLiberty]

North Carolina I'm assuming.

You guys also have the NAU hologram logo on your new "papers" as well.

Yeah, NC.

NAU hologram? Not sure what you're talking about but sounds horrible :confused: Please explain. :(

[FireofLiberty]

Sounds like a great ad to me ---run it!

Really though, your state is bending over forwards and is gonna get it. Will they like it though? Hah!

Hope you can be a part of doing something about this for NC.

Drea

I hope so too. The battle has just begun.

[FireofLiberty]

It was pushed through buried in some completely unrelated bill (some kind of foreign aid or something) awhile back... was supposed to go into effect in May, but from what people are saying here it sounds like it's been delayed by quite a few years. Now we just have to fight to get rid of the idea completely.

What's so bad about it is that back in Feb. of 2005 when The REAL ID Act was voted on seperately and failed my Congressman, Brad Miller, who I loathe, voted against it. I was so thrilled by his vote that despite how much I loathe him and despite how much we disagree on so many issues I sent a letter to the editor of my local newspaper praising him for his vote.

Then, a few months later, he turned around and voted for the appropriations bill with the REAL ID buried in it.

:mad:

[freelance]

Ron Paul has been warning us!!!

Been announced all morning by Head Line News

Homeland Security has mandated that ALL states replace the drivers licenses of its residents by the year 2017! with Real ID cards :eek:

This is NOT an option - So when did this pass congress or is this one of those items from that ream of paper (and many trees) that is referred to as the Patriot Act II?

This is pure crazy - When are we going to be Mad as Hell and not take it anymore? :mad:

The states are complaining that the Real ID is too expensive to produce

BizmanUSA

It was mandated in 2005? You're just now hearing about this?

P.S. Looks like the crazies have had to push back the master plan--at least to 2017. That gives us a tiny bit of breathing room. And for those of us born before 1964, we have a few more years before we're totally tracked. After that, it's a lead wallet!

[madRazor]

Last I heard, New Hampshire passed a law BANNING the REAL ID in their state. An outright ban. So we can move to at least one state. Correct me if I'm wrong...

[ConstitutionGal]

Sadly, the states that are passing legislation against this will soon cave in when CONgress tells them that if they (the states) refuse to play ball..there goes their highway funds. This is the same garbage they used to get the seat-belt laws, 55 mph speed limits and all manner of other laws passed (supposedly at the state level). They just blackmail the states into doing what CONgress wants and how they get laws passed where the feds have no real authority. Just another problem with the income tax system. The feds steal OUR money and then use it to bribe/blackmail OUR states into rolling over for whatever the feds want to do.

[UtahApocalypse]

I cannot find the link but last year sometime Utah said it would eliminate any drivers license before adopting a "REAL ID"

[AnalogDan]

"We will have world government by 2020."
-David Rockefeller

[tsetsefly]

It was mandated in 2005? You're just now hearing about this?

P.S. Looks like the crazies have had to push back the master plan--at least to 2017. That gives us a tiny bit of breathing room. And for those of us born before 1964, we have a few more years before we're totally tracked. After that, it's a lead wallet!

the media just found out about it, and so have most of americans (hopefully)

[freelance]

the media just found out about it, and so have most of americans (hopefully)

Well, maybe the OLD media, but this has been all over the place on the Internet, the only true media left.

[davidkachel]

how about we get some REAL democracy instead?

"REAL democracy" is how we got into this f*****g mess in the first place.

All the loss of freedom we are currently suffering stems from the ruling class selling us one simple word: DEMOCRACY!

We are not a democracy, never have been and were never intended to be. The founding fathers HATED democracy.

Please read your history.

[PimpBlimp]

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb188/shamash_bucket/160905idposter2.jpg

[AlabamaWildMan]

Sadly, the states that are passing legislation against this will soon cave in when CONgress tells them that if they (the states) refuse to play ball..there goes their highway funds. This is the same garbage they used to get the seat-belt laws, 55 mph speed limits and all manner of other laws passed (supposedly at the state level). They just blackmail the states into doing what CONgress wants and how they get laws passed where the feds have no real authority. Just another problem with the income tax system. The feds steal OUR money and then use it to bribe/blackmail OUR states into rolling over for whatever the feds want to do.

There is hope!
…some states have figured it out !!

State Legislation Rejecting REAL ID (17 total)

Tennessee, SJR 0248 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/tenn_0248.pdf)) (html (http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/bills/currentga/asp/WebBillInfo/BillCompanionInfo.aspx?billnumber=SJR0248)) (enrolled June 14, 2007)
South Carolina, S 449 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/sc_s449.pdf)) (html (http://www.scstatehouse.net/sess117_2007-2008/bills/449.htm)) (enrolled June 5, 2007)
Nebraska, (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/neb_lr28.pdf)) (html (http://uniweb.legislature.ne.gov/Apps/BillFinder/finder.php?page=view_doc&DocumentID=1442)) (adopted May 30, 2007)
New Hampshire, HB 685 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/nh_hb0685.pdf)) (html (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2007/HB0685.html)) (adopted May 24, 2007)
Oklahoma, SB 464 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/okla_sb464_enr.pdf)) (Word (http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/2007-08bills/SB/sb464_enr.rtf)) (approved May 23, 2007)
Illinois, HJR 0027 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/illin_hj0027.pdf)) (html (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=51&GA=95&DocTypeId=HJR&DocNum=0027&GAID=9&LegID=30419&SpecSess=&Session=)) (adopted May 22, 2007)
Missouri, HCR 20 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/mo_hcr20.pdf)) (html (http://www.house.mo.gov/bills071/biltxt/senate/1878S.04C.htm)) (adopted May 17, 2007)
Nevada, AJR 6 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/nev_ajr6.pdf)) (html (http://www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/Reports/history.cfm?ID=574)) (enrolled May 14, 2007)
Colorado, HJR 1047 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/co_hjr1047.pdf)) (html (http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2007a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont2/D365EA819FC2409087257281006162AD?Open)) (signed May 14, 2007)
Georgia, SB 5 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/ga_sb5.pdf)) (html (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/sum/sb5.htm)) (signed May 11, 2007)
Hawaii, SCJ 31 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/haw_scr31.pdf)) (html (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessioncurrent/bills/SCR31_SD1_.htm)) (adopted April 25, 2007)
North Dakota, SCR 4040 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/nd_scr4040.pdf)) (html (http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/60-2007/bill-index/bi4040.html)) (signed April 20, 2007)
Washington (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/wash_sb5087.pdf)) (html (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5087)) (signed April 18, 2007)
Montana, HB 287 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/mont_hb0287.pdf)) (html (http://laws.leg.mt.gov/pls/laws07/LAW0203W$BSRV.ActionQuery?P_BLTP_BILL_TYP_CD=HB&P_BILL_NO=0287&P_BILL_DFT_NO=&P_CHPT_NO=&Z_ACTION=Find&P_SBJ_DESCR=&P_SBJT_SBJ_CD=&P_LST_NM1=&P_ENTY_ID_SEQ=)) (signed April 17, 2007)
Arkansas, SCR 22 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/ark_scr22.pdf)) (signed March 28, 2007)
Idaho, HJM 3 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/idaho_hjm3.pdf)) (html (http://www3.state.id.us/oasis/HJM003.html)) (signed March 12, 2007)
Maine, SP 113 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/maine_sp113.pdf)) (html (http://www.mainesenate.org/mitchell/realid.htm)) (adopted January 25, 2007)

[Anti Federalist]

Sadly, the states that are passing legislation against this will soon cave in when CONgress tells them that if they (the states) refuse to play ball..there goes their highway funds. This is the same garbage they used to get the seat-belt laws, 55 mph speed limits and all manner of other laws passed (supposedly at the state level). They just blackmail the states into doing what CONgress wants and how they get laws passed where the feds have no real authority. Just another problem with the income tax system. The feds steal OUR money and then use it to bribe/blackmail OUR states into rolling over for whatever the feds want to do.

As much as I am embarrassed to say anything positive about my "Live, Freeze and Die" state after last Tuesday's debacle I will say this.

NH already holds fast against seat belt laws and loses a portion of fed funds because of it.

More states need to join in.

They can't arrest all of us, though they sure would like to try.

[Paulbot_9876]

just think....you will not be able to cross state lines without this id.....borders on our states....
watch and see...did this happen in kosovo or what place was it that had check points within their borders???

[Paulbot_9876]

As much as I am embarrassed to say anything positive about my "Live, Freeze and Die" state after last Tuesday's debacle I will say this.

NH already holds fast against seat belt laws and loses a portion of fed funds because of it.

More states need to join in.

They can't arrest all of us, though they sure would like to try.


they will do it one at a time though.....

[Paulbot_9876]

microwave the new id or taze it.....i would think there would be a way to fry them.....or dont renew your license and stay under the radar.....

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah, NC.

NAU hologram? Not sure what you're talking about but sounds horrible :confused: Please explain. :(

New drivers licenses in NC are embossed with a holographic image of the North American Union's logo on them:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/NC4%20(2).jpg

SPP or NAU logo:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/SPP.gif

[Paulbot_9876]

New drivers licenses in NC are embossed with a holographic image of the North American Union's logo on them:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/NC4%20(2).jpg

SPP or NAU logo:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/SPP.gif

thats how pa are also...has all the states on it....

[IRO-bot]

Woah that is creepy.

[JuniorNJ]

microwave the new id or taze it.....i would think there would be a way to fry them.....or dont renew your license and stay under the radar.....

The new electronic passports are the same way. I'm not saying I did it :cool:, but I witnessed a passport in the microwave and it fried within two seconds.

[bc2208]

JUST SAW THIS ON MSNBC!! HORROR!!!


"If you live in one of these 17 states that reject it, you will not be able to board an airplane with that state's ID."

[Anti Federalist]

JUST SAW THIS ON MSNBC!! HORROR!!!


"If you live in one of these 17 states that reject it, you will not be able to board an airplane with that state's ID."

Let all 50 states reject it.

Let the airlines go bankrupt.

Let them arrest us all.

[FireofLiberty]

New drivers licenses in NC are embossed with a holographic image of the North American Union's logo on them:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/NC4%20(2).jpg

SPP or NAU logo:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/SPP.gif

Sweet & sour Jesus! What is happening to our country!? I might have to pull a Michael Badnarik and just refuse to get a drivers' license (when my current one is up for renewal) at this rate.

[bc2208]

Yeah well I am not getting it. Come what may.

[Iowa4Paul]

My older account was banned because I said if there was ever a national ID, I would kill and die to get rid of it in a revolution.

I still stand by that.

[Dan Klaus]

Without discussing details, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff promoted the final rules for REAL ID during a meeting Thursday with an advisory council.

"We worked very closely with the states in terms of developing a plan that I think will be inexpensive, reasonable to implement and produce the results," he said. "This is a win-win. As long as people use driver's licenses to identify themselves for whatever reason there's no reason for those licenses to be easily counterfeited or tampered with."

Reasoning: just so easy to adopt and why not? with no details...of course...


The September 11 attacks were the main motivation for the changes.

The hijacker-pilot who flew into the Pentagon, Hani Hanjour, had a total of four driver's licenses and ID cards from three states. The DHS, which was created in response to the attacks, has created a slogan for REAL ID: "One driver, one license."

Better invoke the fear factor and 9/11....with this new driver's license - we can stop terrorism...thank you USG...


A handful of states have already signed written agreements indicating plans to comply with REAL ID. Seventeen others, though, have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to it, often based on concerns about the billions of dollars such extra security is expected to cost.

..often based on the money involved.....yea....bs!!

[PimpBlimp]

bump

[MadOdorMachine]

I thought Real ID was happening in May of this year, 2008. Has that changed or is it voluntary?

The National ID card was always supposed to start being implemented in May of 2008. It sounds like that hasn't changed. I thought a deadline was for 2012 but it looks like it was extended to 2017. Basically, when your drivers liscense expires, when you go to renew, you will get a National ID card starting in May this year.

[jgmaynard]

They've been threatening to not let people board aircraft without it since the beginning. I'm pretty sure that the-state-who-shall-not-be-named-this-week pays out more in highway taxes than we receive in back. So hopefully, the Governor when the time comes has the Chutzpah to tell them that we won't pay highway funds out if we're not getting anything back.

JM

[jointhefightforfreedom]

Ron Paul has been warning us!!!

Been announced all morning by Head Line News

Homeland Security has mandated that ALL states replace the drivers licenses of its residents by the year 2017! with Real ID cards :eek:

This is NOT an option - So when did this pass congress or is this one of those items from that ream of paper (and many trees) that is referred to as the Patriot Act II?

This is pure crazy - When are we going to be Mad as Hell and not take it anymore? :mad:

The states are complaining that the Real ID is too expensive to produce

BizmanUSA

please see http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=87193

[stewie3128]

Emergency Spending Act in 2005

Goddammit - how did I miss that?

[electronicmaji]

I refuse to get a real ID.

[CountryRoads]

These must be rejected. What the hell is happening to our country?

[TexasAggie09]

This is rediculous.

jgmaynard. Texas is the same way with the highway funds. We get much, much less than we're putting in, and our state is growing much, much faster than most(you can guess why). What is the government doing about eitehr issue? Nothing. I can't wait until the TransTexas Corridor opens up and we have unlicensed, unregulated Mexican truckers on our highways. All in the name of the NAU.

[Xonox]

I will never carry a Real ID. If they give me one I will decline. If they arrest me I'll fight it in the courts.

[cien750hp]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/11/real.id.ap/index.html


this says they will not have microchips.
i don't support real id, and think its wrong for them to ban air travel and all that especially just for states challenging their ruling, but thank god they do not have microchips.

[Trigonx]

I will never carry a Real ID. If they give me one I will decline. If they arrest me I'll fight it in the courts.

damn straight

[slantedview]

JUST SAW THIS ON MSNBC!! HORROR!!!


"If you live in one of these 17 states that reject it, you will not be able to board an airplane with that state's ID."

bullshit. i'm really sure the airlines will appreciate losing the revenue from everyone who lives in 17 states. this is complete BS.

[sunghoko]

http://start.rcn.com/video/index.php?roo_clipID=909395&roo_channel=USA+News <---- Chertoff interview

tyranny at it's finest right here. This is just outrageous. Chertoff is blaming the states for the airports not accepting driver's licenses as valid identification. Yet states that say they will comply will be allowed to use their driver's license? Complete and utter BS.

The government's plan is using guilt and artificial necessity in order to enact this horrible RealID because when people are forced into thinking they need something, they will comply.

All states must unite and demand that this RealID is a bad idea

[Luft97]

It's horrible.. I have a problem that now(in the next few months) I will be forced to get a TWIC Card (Transportation Worker Identification Credential) in order to keep working in my industry. Forces me to register with the government, have my photo taken finger print info etc all will be stored (RFID) on the card. I am trying to hold out as long as I can without getting one. Not sure if I will or not.. :(

[AlbemarleNC0003]

I thought Real ID was happening in May of this year, 2008. Has that changed or is it voluntary?

That's the passport thing, I thought. I've been so busy learning about what got us to where we are, I haven't been keeping up with today.

[UtahApocalypse]

It's horrible.. I have a problem that now(in the next few months) I will be forced to get a TWIC Card (Transportation Worker Identification Credential) in order to keep working in my industry. Forces me to register with the government, have my photo taken finger print info etc all will be stored (RFID) on the card. I am trying to hold out as long as I can without getting one. Not sure if I will or not.. :(

I know I would quit if I had to get anything like this to work.

[sunghoko]

There are about 19 MORE states that are going to pass legislation to oppose the realID

almost 40 states will oppose the realID! I don't see how this thing will work.

California, Alabama, and North Dakota are some states that are for it

[mconder]

I won't fly and I will drive without a license.

[boberino]

I won't fly and I will drive without a license.

You can be walking down the street without one and it's still a felony.

[Ozwest]

Oh yeah, why don't you all have a "hissy fit," and go to the Mall.

Go ahead and wank on about your "Republic" and etc...etc...

Have a little whine...

Replica Nation.

[Ozwest]

Watch the commercials.

Follow the bouncing ball...

[propanes]

You can be walking down the street without one and it's still a felony.

Really? Please cite the evidence.

Thanks

[Anthony T]

Really? Please cite the evidence.

ThanksYeah, ditto.

[TheEchoPlaza]

all this proves by moving the compliance date out so far (2017!?) is that it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's safety and everything to do with herding us into the corral like cattle! Yeah Chertoff keep saying this is all about protecting us from terrorism!

[Ozwest]

Why don't you save your nation?

Easier to do diddly squat?

All talk, no walk.

[boberino]

You can be walking down the street without one and it's still a felony.

Whoops, jumped the gun a little bit. Assuming things makes me look stupid because penalties haven't been assessed yet for not having an ID card.

[dawnbt]

"The last thing I want to do is punish citizens of a state who would love to have a REAL ID license but can't get one," Chertoff said. "But in the end, the rule is the rule as passed by Congress."

A raise of hands of ANYBODY begging for a Real ID! What a tool!

[Luft97]

Why don't you save your nation?

Easier to do diddly squat?

All talk, no walk.

What would you suggest we do Oz? I think we can all agree we are going to canvas, support, donate, and vote for Dr. Paul.

I am seriously against the national ID. In fact my choice to take it or not comes now not in 2017. I see TWIC as a testing ground for the national ID cards. As far as my employer is concerned I should already have it.

I can delay for a few more months but in the end I will either give up a really good high paying job and a field that I have been working in for over 10 years or take the card.

:(

[dawnbt]

There is hope!
…some states have figured it out !!

State Legislation Rejecting REAL ID (17 total)

Tennessee, SJR 0248 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/tenn_0248.pdf)) (html (http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/bills/currentga/asp/WebBillInfo/BillCompanionInfo.aspx?billnumber=SJR0248)) (enrolled June 14, 2007)
South Carolina, S 449 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/sc_s449.pdf)) (html (http://www.scstatehouse.net/sess117_2007-2008/bills/449.htm)) (enrolled June 5, 2007)
Nebraska, (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/neb_lr28.pdf)) (html (http://uniweb.legislature.ne.gov/Apps/BillFinder/finder.php?page=view_doc&DocumentID=1442)) (adopted May 30, 2007)
New Hampshire, HB 685 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/nh_hb0685.pdf)) (html (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2007/HB0685.html)) (adopted May 24, 2007)
Oklahoma, SB 464 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/okla_sb464_enr.pdf)) (Word (http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/2007-08bills/SB/sb464_enr.rtf)) (approved May 23, 2007)
Illinois, HJR 0027 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/illin_hj0027.pdf)) (html (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=51&GA=95&DocTypeId=HJR&DocNum=0027&GAID=9&LegID=30419&SpecSess=&Session=)) (adopted May 22, 2007)
Missouri, HCR 20 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/mo_hcr20.pdf)) (html (http://www.house.mo.gov/bills071/biltxt/senate/1878S.04C.htm)) (adopted May 17, 2007)
Nevada, AJR 6 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/nev_ajr6.pdf)) (html (http://www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/Reports/history.cfm?ID=574)) (enrolled May 14, 2007)
Colorado, HJR 1047 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/co_hjr1047.pdf)) (html (http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2007a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont2/D365EA819FC2409087257281006162AD?Open)) (signed May 14, 2007)
Georgia, SB 5 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/ga_sb5.pdf)) (html (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/sum/sb5.htm)) (signed May 11, 2007)
Hawaii, SCJ 31 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/haw_scr31.pdf)) (html (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessioncurrent/bills/SCR31_SD1_.htm)) (adopted April 25, 2007)
North Dakota, SCR 4040 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/nd_scr4040.pdf)) (html (http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/60-2007/bill-index/bi4040.html)) (signed April 20, 2007)
Washington (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/wash_sb5087.pdf)) (html (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5087)) (signed April 18, 2007)
Montana, HB 287 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/mont_hb0287.pdf)) (html (http://laws.leg.mt.gov/pls/laws07/LAW0203W$BSRV.ActionQuery?P_BLTP_BILL_TYP_CD=HB&P_BILL_NO=0287&P_BILL_DFT_NO=&P_CHPT_NO=&Z_ACTION=Find&P_SBJ_DESCR=&P_SBJT_SBJ_CD=&P_LST_NM1=&P_ENTY_ID_SEQ=)) (signed April 17, 2007)
Arkansas, SCR 22 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/ark_scr22.pdf)) (signed March 28, 2007)
Idaho, HJM 3 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/idaho_hjm3.pdf)) (html (http://www3.state.id.us/oasis/HJM003.html)) (signed March 12, 2007)
Maine, SP 113 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/maine_sp113.pdf)) (html (http://www.mainesenate.org/mitchell/realid.htm)) (adopted January 25, 2007)

Of course not Michigan! It's time to clean house at the state level people!! NO more status quo! We need fresh blood! I hate MI. I want to leave MI, however, my husband is a tool.

[Henry]

If you thought Michael Chertoff’s mismanagement of FEMA during hurricane Katrina should have been grounds for dismissal, you would have been wrong. But nooo, let’s elevate this guy to a higher position of heading Homeland Security.

Here is a government official who gave us the Patriot Act and holds a second citizenship in Israel now wants to herd the sheep into his own private corral. Do a little research on this jerk, and you’ll find out he’s quite the little “devil”. :eek::eek:

As Yogi Berra once said “Only In America”!!

[Ozwest]

What would you suggest we do Oz? I think we can all agree we are going to canvas, support, donate, and vote for Dr. Paul.

I am seriously against the national ID. In fact my choice to take it or not comes now not in 2017. I see TWIC as a testing ground for the national ID cards. As far as my employer is concerned I should already have it.

I can delay for a few more months but in the end I will either give up a really good high paying job and a field that I have been working in for over 10 years or take the card.

:(

I don't mean to target you my friend, merely the useless piece of shit America is.

And the more worthless piece of shit is becoming...

Bush for 8 years. Democrats to get out of the Middle East.

Best Candidate ever. And castrated by his own supporters.

Sorry... But you yanks are bunnies.

[tnvoter]

This is insane, I can't believe this kind of crap is happening in the US. WAKE UP AMERICA

[Anthony T]

Now is the time to get more involved and active in your state legislature!

[Nicketas]

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[Nicketas]

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[Anthony T]

It really is mandated by May this year. If your state doesn't file for an extension then your license won't be accepted at the Federal level after May 11, 2008.

So it will be interesting which states, if any, will refuse to file for an extension.

[Ozwest]

Half the country has already blocked it, with several states pending strong opposition, and a few who have not voted either way yet.

If it's mandated by 2017, that means we have 9 years to stop it.

Plenty of time - IF we use that time dilligently and responsibly.


EDIT: I stand corrected, if you're under 50, the year is 2014. Yikes. Still, we need to stop this.

As has been said, it will be easy to rally the churches. NO ONE wants "the mark".

Yep. Nine years... No worries.

[Vancouverite90210]

A special drivers license and ID cards didn't stop Osama bin Laden from driving right up to the hotel in downtown Sydney, Australia a couple months ago, going through at least 3 checkpoints, before he was arrested and then set free on a technicality. Oh so you don't believe it? I swear its true we just haven't heard about it here as the media has blacklisted the story but here it is on an Australian News Network
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAPLpHyBrlg&feature=related

Here's another one showing Australian National Police doing random searches and interrogations during APEC but not in Sydney.....in MELBOURNE 800 kms away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GclCE0cLA-o&feature=related

[Vancouverite90210]

BTW the initials RSL stands for Returned Servicemen's Leagues the social center of every Australian town, not unlike what N Americans call Legions except far more fun and drunken behavior is not tolerated.

[Vancouverite90210]

One last one on security ID

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR7I_XIZuck&feature=related

[tcindie]

My older account was banned because I said if there was ever a national ID, I would kill and die to get rid of it in a revolution.

I still stand by that.

I'm with you.. but not just because of this stupid ID.

[Hardrock]

"REAL democracy" is how we got into this f*****g mess in the first place.

All the loss of freedom we are currently suffering stems from the ruling class selling us one simple word: DEMOCRACY!

We are not a democracy, never have been and were never intended to be. The founding fathers HATED democracy.

Please read your history.



+1
I despise that word!
(easy slip though, it's been beat into our heads long enough)

How 'bout REAL CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT

I like those words!

[AlabamaWildMan]

time to clean house at the state level people.


I was very disappointed that George-Wallace-Country (Alabama) wasn't on that list, too!!

......that bunch had a chance to Elect Judge Roy Moore as their Gov....and they blew that one, too !!

I may have to move back (for a while) and straighten out a few folks !!

[InLoveWithRon]

There is hope!
…some states have figured it out !!

State Legislation Rejecting REAL ID (17 total)

Tennessee, SJR 0248 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/tenn_0248.pdf)) (html (http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/bills/currentga/asp/WebBillInfo/BillCompanionInfo.aspx?billnumber=SJR0248)) (enrolled June 14, 2007)
South Carolina, S 449 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/sc_s449.pdf)) (html (http://www.scstatehouse.net/sess117_2007-2008/bills/449.htm)) (enrolled June 5, 2007)
Nebraska, (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/neb_lr28.pdf)) (html (http://uniweb.legislature.ne.gov/Apps/BillFinder/finder.php?page=view_doc&DocumentID=1442)) (adopted May 30, 2007)
New Hampshire, HB 685 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/nh_hb0685.pdf)) (html (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2007/HB0685.html)) (adopted May 24, 2007)
Oklahoma, SB 464 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/okla_sb464_enr.pdf)) (Word (http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/2007-08bills/SB/sb464_enr.rtf)) (approved May 23, 2007)
Illinois, HJR 0027 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/illin_hj0027.pdf)) (html (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=51&GA=95&DocTypeId=HJR&DocNum=0027&GAID=9&LegID=30419&SpecSess=&Session=)) (adopted May 22, 2007)
Missouri, HCR 20 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/mo_hcr20.pdf)) (html (http://www.house.mo.gov/bills071/biltxt/senate/1878S.04C.htm)) (adopted May 17, 2007)
Nevada, AJR 6 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/nev_ajr6.pdf)) (html (http://www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/Reports/history.cfm?ID=574)) (enrolled May 14, 2007)
Colorado, HJR 1047 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/co_hjr1047.pdf)) (html (http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2007a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont2/D365EA819FC2409087257281006162AD?Open)) (signed May 14, 2007)
Georgia, SB 5 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/ga_sb5.pdf)) (html (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/sum/sb5.htm)) (signed May 11, 2007)
Hawaii, SCJ 31 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/haw_scr31.pdf)) (html (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessioncurrent/bills/SCR31_SD1_.htm)) (adopted April 25, 2007)
North Dakota, SCR 4040 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/nd_scr4040.pdf)) (html (http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/60-2007/bill-index/bi4040.html)) (signed April 20, 2007)
Washington (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/wash_sb5087.pdf)) (html (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5087)) (signed April 18, 2007)
Montana, HB 287 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/mont_hb0287.pdf)) (html (http://laws.leg.mt.gov/pls/laws07/LAW0203W$BSRV.ActionQuery?P_BLTP_BILL_TYP_CD=HB&P_BILL_NO=0287&P_BILL_DFT_NO=&P_CHPT_NO=&Z_ACTION=Find&P_SBJ_DESCR=&P_SBJT_SBJ_CD=&P_LST_NM1=&P_ENTY_ID_SEQ=)) (signed April 17, 2007)
Arkansas, SCR 22 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/ark_scr22.pdf)) (signed March 28, 2007)
Idaho, HJM 3 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/idaho_hjm3.pdf)) (html (http://www3.state.id.us/oasis/HJM003.html)) (signed March 12, 2007)
Maine, SP 113 (pdf (http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/maine_sp113.pdf)) (html (http://www.mainesenate.org/mitchell/realid.htm)) (adopted January 25, 2007)

WOW!! I find it alarming that all the big states accept the Real ID.. States like California, Ohio, Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Texas etc..

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[AlabamaWildMan]

WOW!! I find it alarming that all the big states accept the Real ID.. States like California, Ohio, Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Texas etc..

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They may come around yet....I Hope !

[Lord Abaddon]

Here is an excellent article on nation IDs and what they have done, and haven't done, in the past.

http://www.preventgenocide.org/prevent/removing-facilitating-factors/IDcards/