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constituent
01-11-2008, 07:12 AM
Just wondering. You can see an interview w/ her featured now on therealnews.com

Chester Copperpot
01-11-2008, 07:14 AM
well that would be funny since Obama is related to Dick Cheney.. And no, Im not kidding.

heath.whiteaker
01-11-2008, 09:13 AM
well that would be funny since Obama is related to Dick Cheney.. And no, Im not kidding.

seriously?

BreakYourChains
01-11-2008, 09:36 AM
Just wondering. You can see an interview w/ her featured now on therealnews.com

Still looking. She is a member of the CFR.

constituent
01-11-2008, 09:55 AM
i find her hand in this report (http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/2117/worst_weapons_in_worst_hands.html?breadcrumb=%2Fex perts%2F1181%2Fsusan_e_rice) quite interesting.


and i love this quote:

In every post-conflict situation there is a short window of opportunity—a "golden hour"—when outside actors can potentially shape a foreign country's trajectory.


from this article (http://www.bu.edu/globalbeat/syndicate/rice112105.html) she helped pen.

constituent
01-11-2008, 10:05 AM
oh yea, and what about the pharmaceutical factory that was bombed by clinton during her tenure as asst. sec. of state for african affairs?????


you know, the one in THE SUDAN that was supposedly making VX, but it later came out that not only was it not making VX, it was actually


"Germany's ambassador to Sudan, Werner Daum, was quoted in the August 31st issue of Der Spiegel as saying that the factory "mainly produces antibiotics, medicaments against diarrhoea and malaria, preparations for transfusions, and veterinary products."

you'll find more info. on that here (http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/khartoumbomb.html). i wonder how many children died from malaria and
other treatable illnesses due to this crime and the associated lag in supplies?

and here we see Barack talking about a need to intervene in the sudan....

IT'S THE OIL STUPID!

constituent
01-11-2008, 10:18 AM
here is another fun read, from a CFR task force that she worked with:


Council Task Force Urges United States to Put Nation-building on Par with War-fighting
Calls for Overhauling U.S. Government for Stabilization and Reconstruction Operations


WASHINGTON - July 27 - Nation-building is not just a humanitarian concern, but a critical national security priority that should be on par with war-fighting, concludes an independent Council Task Force co-chaired by former national security advisors Samuel R. Berger and Brent Scowcroft. The report, In the Wake of War: Improving U.S. Post-Conflict Capabilities, argues that the United States must acknowledge that "War-fighting has two important dimensions: winning the war and winning the peace."

The Task Force finds that "To succeed, initial military combat operations require advance planning and a substantial commitment of money and manpower. The same is true for the subsequent phase of conflict, commonly called nation-building, and known inside the Pentagon as 'stabilization and reconstruction.' The failure to take this phase of conflict as seriously as initial combat operations has had serious consequences for the United States, not just in Iraq but, more broadly, for international efforts to stabilize and rebuild nations after conflict."

It continues, "In Iraq, pre-war inattention to post-war requirements-or simply misjudgments about them-left the United States ill-equipped to address public security, governance, and economic demands in the immediate aftermath of the conflict, seriously undermining key U.S. foreign policy goals and giving early impetus to the insurgency."

The U.S. government is currently poorly organized for the task of nation-building. "The higher priority now accorded to nation-building has yet to be matched by a comprehensive policy or institutional capacity within the U.S. government to engage successfully in stabilization and reconstruction missions," the report says.

The Task Force calls on the President to make clear that building America's capability to conduct stabilization and reconstruction operations will be a top foreign policy priority. The report recommends concrete ways for the U.S. government to organize to take on these challenges, including giving greater authority to the State Department.

--"The National Security Advisor and his staff should be formally tasked with civilian-military coordination and establishing overarching policy associated with stabilization and reconstruction activities. This role should be codified in a new National Security Policy Directive, and knowledgeable, competent personnel assigned to fulfill this mandate."

--"The President and the Secretary of Defense should firmly establish that stability operations are a strategic priority for the armed forces. Stability and reconstruction needs to be understood and treated as a mission as important to America's security as high-intensity combat operations."

--"The State Department should lead all civilian efforts related to stabilization and reconstruction." While the NSC should lead coordination on civilian-military issues, "the Department of State must be empowered to manage and oversee implementation of policy in this area." Further, "The State Department coordinator should be elevated to an undersecretary of state-level position" and a reserve or contingency fund of $500 million should be established for this office.

--"USAID would lead the day-to-day execution of the programs and activities on the ground." The report recommends creating "a Deputy Administrator for Stabilization and Reconstruction Operations at USAID."

--The administration should "Establish coordinators for reconstruction-related programs in other agencies, including the Departments of Treasury, Commerce, Agriculture, Labor and Health and Human Services." Also, the administration should "Strengthen the capacity of the Intelligence Community to provide timely and effective information relating to the requirements of stabilization and reconstruction operations."

--The United States should "Push to create a standing multilateral reconstruction Trust Fund, managed under the auspices of the Group of Eight
(G8) industrialized nations." The report says that "The new fund would be capitalized at approximately $1 billion and managed by a donor board consisting of representatives from the G8 member states, the UN, the World Bank, and other contributing countries."

The Task Force also notes that "demand for United Nations involvement in stabilization and reconstruction missions is straining the organization." The report says that "Member states must recognize that many UNSC-authorized missions may be more appropriately led by 'green helmeted' national forces than 'blue helmeted' ones." The report calls for linking Security Council mission approval to resource commitments by member states and establishing an assessment schedule for contributions to post-conflict reconstruction activities.

The Task Force co-chairs and directors urge Congress to fund the President's FY 2006 budget request for the Conflict Response Fund as well as for the operations of the State Department's Office of the Coordinator for Reconstruction and Stabilization. Congress should also enact the administration's recent proposal to transfer up to $200 million in FY 2006 from DOD to the State Department in the case of an emergency that requires immediate reconstruction, security, or stabilization assistance.

The Task Force is directed by retired Army Major General William L. Nash, Director of the Council's Center for Preventive Action. The deputy director is former National Security Council staffer Mona Sutphen of Stonebridge International.

The report is available on the Council's website: http://www.cfr.org

Independent Task Force on U.S. Post-Conflict Capabilities

Samuel R. Berger (Co-Chair)
Stonebridge International LLC

Brent Scowcroft (Co-Chair)
The Scowcroft Group

William L. Nash (Director)
Council on Foreign Relations

Mona K. Sutphen (Deputy Director)
Stonebridge International LLC

Frederick D. Barton
Center for Strategic & International Studies

Peter Dexter Bell
CARE USA

Henry S. Bienen
Northwestern University

Hans Binnendijk
National Defense University

Antonia Handler Chayes
The Fletcher School

Jock Covey
Bechtel Corporation

Ivo H. Daalder
The Brookings Institution

James F. Dobbins
RAND

Shepard L. Forman
Center on International Cooperation

Bob Graham

Chuck Hagel
U.S. Senate

John J. Hamre
Center for Strategic & International Studies

Jane Harman
U.S. House of Representatives

Robert D. Hormats
Goldman, Sachs & Co.

David A. Lipton
Citigroup

Susan E. Rice
The Brookings Institution

David Rieff
World Policy Institute

Kenneth Roth
Human Rights Watch

Michael A. Sheehan
New York Police Department

Walter B. Slocombe
Caplin & Drysdale, Chartered

Gordon R. Sullivan
Association of the U.S. Army

Fareed Zakaria
Newsweek International



you can find that here (http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0727-04.htm).

I wonder if she or Barack would like to distance themselves from this sorta, nation-building on par w/ war fighting sentiment....

or is Obama just another American Imperialist a la Bushco?

constituent
01-11-2008, 11:13 AM
from Sudan.net:

CONTINUING DISHONESTY ON SUDAN BY MADELEINE ALBRIGHT, SUSAN RICE et al



Press Release/Commentary by ESPAC posted on April 20, 2002 at 07:06:02: EST (-5 GMT)

CONTINUING DISHONESTY ON SUDAN BY MADELEINE ALBRIGHT, SUSAN RICE et al

The European-Sudanese Public Affairs Council
Date of Publication: 17 April, 2002

In December 2001, 'Vanity Fair' published a devastating expose of the
Clinton Administration's mishandling of repeated offers by the Sudanese
government, some dating back to 1996, to provide Washington intelligence
on terrorism - particularly with regard to the al-Qaeda terrorist
network.(1) Part of what was offered to the Clinton Administration were
several hundred Sudanese files on al-Qaeda and its members.(2) The
Administration also passed up the opportunity of interrogating two al-
Qaeda members who had clearly been involved in the 1998 bombings of the
U.S. embassies in east Africa. In keeping with its very questionable
Sudan policy (3), the Clinton Administration rejected all of Sudan's
repeated offers. The implications of this studied indifference are
clear. As 'Vanity Fair' stated: "September 11 might have been prevented
if the U.S. had accepted Sudan's offers to share its intelligence files
on Osama bin Laden and the growing al-Qaeda files." It had also earlier
been revealed that in addition to offering the Clinton Administration
intelligence on al-Qaeda, the Sudanese government had in 1996 also
offered to extradite Osama bin-Laden - just as Khartoum had extradited
the international terrorism known as "Carlos the Jackal" to France.(4)
This offer was also rejected by the Clinton Administration.


Unsurprisingly perhaps, prominent members of the Clinton
Administration's foreign policy and national security team rejected the
conclusions of the 'Vanity Fair' article, denying the sincerity of the
offers. Madeleine Albright, the former US Secretary of State; Samuel
Berger, the former national security adviser; Thomas Pickering, former
undersecretary of state for political affairs; and Susan Rice, former
assistant secretary of state for African affairs claimed that Osama bin
Laden had been involved in an attempted attack on U.S. forces in Yemen
in 1992; had assisted with attacks on U.S. forces in Mogadishu in 1993;
had "financed" the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993; and
had "planned and prepared a car-bomb attack on U.S. soldiers in Saudi
Arabia" in 1995. (5) Susan Rice has also attempted to address her badly
damaged reputation in, of all places, the May 2002 edition of 'Elle'
magazine.

There are three points that should be made.

Firstly, the Clinton Administration, and its officials, have long shown
remarkable dishonesty with regard to Sudan, especially regarding its
claims of Sudanese involvement in terrorism. Former US President Jimmy
Carter was able to ascertain that the Clinton Administration's 1993
listing of Sudan as a "state sponsor of terrorism" was not based, as it
should have been, on strict legal criteria but rather on the basis of
"allegations".(6) This set the tone for all future Clinton
Administration claims about Sudan and terrorism. Albright, Berger,
Pickering and Rice also accepted at face value over one hundred
intelligence reports alleging Sudanese involvement in terrorism which
were subsequently discarded as having been false.(7) It is unclear how
many of their subsequent claims about Sudan are similarly muddled or
just deliberately dishonest.


Secondly, when challenged as to why the Clinton Administration passed up
on the offer of bin Laden's extradition, Samuel Berger stated: "In the
United States, we have this thing called the Constitution, so to bring
him here is to bring him into the justice system. I don't think that was
our first choice." (8) Surely, if any of their subsequent claims about
bin Laden's involvement in terrorism against American interests from
1992 through to 1995, as laid out in their response to the 'Vanity Fair'
article, were true why did the Clinton Administration not jump at the
chance of his extradition in 1996?


Thirdly, for all the attempts by his advisers to downplay the sincerity
of the Sudanese offers, the simple fact is that former President Clinton
displayed considerable courage in describing the refusal to accept
Sudan's 1996 offer as "the biggest mistake" of his presidency.(9) Rather
than desperately trying to distance themselves from their role in
Clinton's "biggest mistake", his national security and foreign affairs
team should have the courage to admit that their advice to the president
was simply wrong. Those who advised him to ignore Sudan's offers,
Albright, Berger, Pickering and Rice, are ultimately responsible for
putting their deeply questionable Sudan policy and spin before the
national security of their own country. They were all party to one of
the most serious foreign policy failures in American history. Had they
not put spin before truth the events of 11 September may well not have
happened.



Notes


1 "The Osama Files", 'Vanity Fair', December 2001, pp 50-55.
2 These offers had also been documented in "Resentful West Spurned
Sudan's Key Terror Files", 'The Observer' (London), 30 September 2001,
and "US Rejected Sudanese Files on al-Qaeda", 'The Financial Times'
(London), 30 November 2001.
3 For a critique of the Clinton Administration's Sudan policy, see
David Hoile, 'Farce Majeure: The Clinton Administration's Sudan Policy
1993-2000', The European-Sudanese Public Affairs Council, London, 2000
(available at www.espac.org).
4 See, for example, "In '96, Sudan Offered to Arrest bin Laden",
'International Herald Tribune', 4 October 2001.
5 "Desperately Seeking Sudan", 'Vanity Fair', March 2002, p.34-35.
6 'The Independent' (London), 17 September 1993.
7 See, "Decision to Strike Factory in Sudan Based Partly on
Surmise", 'The Washington Post', 21 September 1998; and "Sudan Attack
Blamed on US Blunders", 'The Times' (London), 22 September 1998.
8 See, "'96, Sudan Offered to Arrest bin Laden", 'International
Herald Tribune', 4 October 2001.
9 "US Missed Three Chances to Seize Bin Laden", 'The Sunday Times
(London), 6 January 2002.

constituent
01-11-2008, 11:19 AM
Why Darfur Can't Be Left to Africa (http://www.brookings.edu/articles/2005/0807africa_rice.aspx)


her words, not mine.

constituent
01-11-2008, 11:25 AM
How about this:



All Things Considered, October 4, 2006 · Some foreign policy analysts are calling for military action to stop genocide in Sudan. Susan Rice says Sudan will only respond to the threat of an attack; and if an attack is necessary, she advocates bombing strategic targets like airfields and blockading Sudan's port.

Rice says the United States has the moral responsibility to stop genocide wherever it occurs.

Melissa Block talks with Rice, a fellow at the Brookings Institution and a former Assistant Secretary of State in the Clinton administration

that's from NPR's program All Things Considered. You can listen to that interview here (javascript:NPR.Player.openPlayer(6196776,%2061967 77,%20null,%20NPR.Player.Action.PLAY_NOW,%20NPR.Pl ayer.Type.STORY,%20'')).

constituent
01-11-2008, 11:28 AM
Rice Caught in Iran-Contra-Style Capers:

right here (http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1998/rice_2546.html)

ShowMeLiberty
01-11-2008, 11:31 AM
Wow - you really need to publish all that in an article. Wonder if you could get it in The Atlantic or something like that?

constituent
01-11-2008, 11:34 AM
if i thought anyone would publish something i wrote, i'd write it up and submit it somewhere...

this is probably the best i can do though, help spread the word!

constituent
01-11-2008, 02:39 PM
visibility bump.

no one has additional info out there?

Dieseler
01-11-2008, 05:05 PM
You have my support for writing that all up together and reposting right here.
Many many people lurk these boards and get Enlightened.
Good job.

constituent
01-12-2008, 07:26 AM
bump for the weekend.

thanks dieseler (that made my day!), i'm going to write a consolidated report this weekend and post
it up here in the general politics section when i'm doine.

constituent
01-14-2008, 08:31 AM
bump for the newscycle. please incorporate this when possible.

enhanced_deficit
04-05-2017, 09:53 AM
Would be ironic if she is.

Judicial Watch President: It Appears Susan Rice Was Obama's G. Gordon Liddy

Apr 05, 2017
Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton joined Brian Kilmeade on "Fox & Friends" this morning to discuss the potential legal fallout for Susan Rice.
Rice, former national security advisor for President Obama, reportedly sought to unmask the identities of individuals associated with President Trump whose information was "incidentally collected" in intelligence reports.
"If she was accessing this material and using it for improper purposes, there are all sorts of criminal laws that would have been violated," Fitton said.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/04/0...ort-grand-jury (http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/04/05/judicial-watch-president-tom-fitton-susan-rice-unmasking-report-grand-jury)


http://susan.politifake.org/image/political/1503/benghazi-bergdahl-based-the-best-information-have-date-what-politics-1427321992.jpghttps://i2.wp.com/www.ambrosekane.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Condi-3.jpg




Condoleezza Rice approved 'torture' techniques
www.telegraph.co.uk
Apr 23, 2009 - Condoleezza Rice, President George W. Bush's Secretary of State, personally approved a CIA request to use "waterboarding" and other harsh interrogation techniques.


Susan Rice requested to unmask names of Trump transition officials
foxnews
2 days ago - Multiple sources tell Fox News that Susan Rice, former national security adviser under then-President Barack Obama, requested to unmask the names of Trump transition officials caught up in surveillance. ...






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http://i.imgur.com/fg37aFm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/EqWZced.jpg

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pcosmar
04-05-2017, 11:25 AM
Related?

Seems of the same Spirit.