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Shavenyak
01-11-2008, 02:19 AM
Seriously, after the debate tonight, I believe Ron has been doing the "rope a dope" as mentioned in another thread and sandbagging.

He just turned his whole campaign up to level 11. Someone else said it in another post, but I'll reiterate:

1) The "Onward" letter: http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/01/message-from-ro.html

2) The public debunking of the old newsletters.

and

3) His debate performance tonight was FANTASTIC. He tore the entire Neo-Con movement a new asshole tonight with the greatest comeback I have ever seen. I've watched this video 9 times already tonight and it still gives me goosebumps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mffpkCH-PJw

Antonius Stone
01-11-2008, 02:22 AM
the man is a genius

Trigonx
01-11-2008, 02:23 AM
I can see the Plan now. Its fantastic!!!

wortguy
01-11-2008, 02:25 AM
In the electability question, and the truther question, Carl Cameron seemed almost embarrased to ask, it seemed like he was having trouble getting the words out because of - maybe some shame!?

Jobarra
01-11-2008, 02:27 AM
In the electability question, and the truther question, Carl Cameron seemed almost embarrased to ask, it seemed like he was having trouble getting the words out because of - maybe some shame!?
Nah, that was dramatic pause. He has no shame.

scottabing
01-11-2008, 02:27 AM
I'm not sure that there is "a plan"
But it is apparent that Ron Paul is all in.

If he looks into the camera and talks to America it could get very interesting.

Shink
01-11-2008, 02:27 AM
In the electability question, and the truther question, Carl Cameron seemed almost embarrased to ask, it seemed like he was having trouble getting the words out because of - maybe some shame!?

Because he knew his bosses were throwing him to the lions!:D

aricart
01-11-2008, 02:28 AM
In the electability question, and the truther question, Carl Cameron seemed almost embarrased to ask, it seemed like he was having trouble getting the words out because of - maybe some shame!?

I noticed that too. Perhaps he knows what kind of a shill he's being?

rtil
01-11-2008, 02:28 AM
Good to know the man can stand up for himself under any fire.

scottabing
01-11-2008, 02:31 AM
Nah, that was dramatic pause. He has no shame.

I got the same vibe as wortguy, I sensed shame in his asking of the question.
It was like when Cuvoto asked him about Don Black.

The tone of their voice indicated "I have to ask you this" and I know you don't deserve it.

dreicher
01-11-2008, 02:34 AM
I'm reminded of Martin Sheen's character in The West Wing when running for re-election and his people were wondering who would show up "Uncle Fluffy or The President"... tonight RP put a stake through the heart of his "Uncle Fluffy" act and came out swinging

Liberty Star
01-11-2008, 02:37 AM
1) The "Onward" letter: http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/01/message-from-ro.html





Message from Ron: Onward!

Did you see that funny YouTube where Mike Huckabee's young Iowa spokesman endorsed me, "by mistake"? We know what was in his mind!


Anyone has that video link?

ChooseLiberty
01-11-2008, 02:45 AM
RP knows how to throw down. Check these out -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHB2I83_N_k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGGDVm4mmTo

ChooseLiberty
01-11-2008, 02:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe3v4JDD_gA


Anyone has that video link?

MayTheRonBeWithYou
01-11-2008, 02:50 AM
This started several days ago, right around the time Faux banned him from the forum. I think it PISSED him off, and now he is coming out swinging!

mokkan88
01-11-2008, 02:50 AM
I got the same vibe as wortguy, I sensed shame in his asking of the question.
It was like when Cuvoto asked him about Don Black.

The tone of their voice indicated "I have to ask you this" and I know you don't deserve it.

No. Look in his eyes. The pause was dramatic and intentional.

davidhperry
01-11-2008, 02:52 AM
RP knows how to throw down. Check these out -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHB2I83_N_k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGGDVm4mmTo

He definitely does know how to throw down! :)

mokkan88
01-11-2008, 03:02 AM
Note to Dr. Paul: Do not let your associates wear checkered shirts around you.

Indy Vidual
01-11-2008, 03:18 AM
I'm reminded of Martin Sheen's character in The West Wing when running for re-election and his people were wondering who would show up "Uncle Fluffy or The President"... tonight RP put a stake through the heart of his "Uncle Fluffy" act and came out swinging

:)
You're funny

shida
01-11-2008, 04:27 AM
I can see the Plan now. Its fantastic!!!

The Key To Political Success.

Gary North served as Ron Paul's research assistant during his first term in congress.


http://www.garynorth.com/public/2928.cfm

WilliamC
01-11-2008, 04:40 AM
Seriously, after the debate tonight, I believe Ron has been doing the "rope a dope" as mentioned in another thread and sandbagging.

He just turned his whole campaign up to level 11. Someone else said it in another post, but I'll reiterate:

1) The "Onward" letter: http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/01/message-from-ro.html

2) The public debunking of the old newsletters.

and

3) His debate performance tonight was FANTASTIC. He tore the entire Neo-Con movement a new asshole tonight with the greatest comeback I have ever seen. I've watched this video 9 times already tonight and it still gives me goosebumps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mffpkCH-PJw

Watch the moderator immediately after he asks "another question about electability"

He spends 4 seconds (7, 8, 9, 10) moving his mouth and making sub-vocal noises before going on to "do you have any?"

What is up with that? It's like he knows he's about to ask a really stupid/smarmy question and he has to psych himself up for it. It's just plain weird!

idiom
01-11-2008, 04:49 AM
When you are strong, feign weakness.

alexa doherty
01-11-2008, 04:58 AM
They awakend a sleeping giant.

alexa doherty
01-11-2008, 05:00 AM
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."- Schopenhauer

We're at stage 2.

Minuteman
01-11-2008, 05:22 AM
Alot of people in this country should be happy that the masses do not tar and feather people anymore.

WilliamC
01-11-2008, 05:28 AM
Alot of people in this country should be happy that the masses do not tar and feather people anymore.

Or roll them in a port-o-john.

Larry_for_Paul
01-11-2008, 05:31 AM
Campaign should make a 30 second TV Commercial on that message (10 bln USD, China, Musharraf, Iraq, Soldiers lost)

worldtruthfreedom
01-11-2008, 05:54 AM
Brilliant Brillian Brilliant. RP was fantastic and has upped his game significantly!

ladyliberty
01-11-2008, 05:58 AM
not to mention more Rudy giggles!

Has anyone made the laughing jackass youtube yet?

robofx
01-11-2008, 06:02 AM
I'm not sure that there is "a plan"
But it is apparent that Ron Paul is all in.

If he looks into the camera and talks to America it could get very interesting.

Yeah, I guess the old fart had to be doing something right to get elected to Congress 10 times. ;)

prlgrl
01-11-2008, 06:28 AM
In the electability question, and the truther question, Carl Cameron seemed almost embarrased to ask, it seemed like he was having trouble getting the words out because of - maybe some shame!?

I got that same feeling. He definitely stumbled trying to get the question out.

ronpaulNH
01-11-2008, 06:39 AM
that was one of the greatest ways he could have anwsered that question.

freesoul
01-11-2008, 07:03 AM
RP knows how to throw down. Check these out -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHB2I83_N_k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGGDVm4mmTo

that was great! I liked how Ron pointed out how dangerous cigarettes were and Morton downey jr shouted him down- 13 years later he died from lung cancer :rolleyes:

Cleaner44
01-11-2008, 08:20 AM
Seriously, after the debate tonight, I believe Ron has been doing the "rope a dope" as mentioned in another thread and sandbagging.

He just turned his whole campaign up to level 11. Someone else said it in another post, but I'll reiterate:

1) The "Onward" letter: http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/01/message-from-ro.html

2) The public debunking of the old newsletters.

and

3) His debate performance tonight was FANTASTIC. He tore the entire Neo-Con movement a new asshole tonight with the greatest comeback I have ever seen. I've watched this video 9 times already tonight and it still gives me goosebumps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mffpkCH-PJw

OMG! I must thank you for the great video. I was not able to watch the debate because I was at a straw poll. Ron Paul got 80% of the vote.

aymn27
01-11-2008, 08:24 AM
Seriously, after the debate tonight, I believe Ron has been doing the "rope a dope" as mentioned in another thread and sandbagging.

He just turned his whole campaign up to level 11. Someone else said it in another post, but I'll reiterate:

1) The "Onward" letter: http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/01/message-from-ro.html

2) The public debunking of the old newsletters.

and

3) His debate performance tonight was FANTASTIC. He tore the entire Neo-Con movement a new asshole tonight with the greatest comeback I have ever seen. I've watched this video 9 times already tonight and it still gives me goosebumps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mffpkCH-PJwI'd buy this...seriously..that old dude has some "fire in his belly" and I'm freakin LOVING IT...He kicked ASS last night..hands down!

Go RON Go!!! We're behind ya!

RonPaulFTFW
01-11-2008, 08:39 AM
never doubt Dr. paul.

Ethek
01-11-2008, 08:40 AM
It was a great answer. I think anyone one the stage has to be stupid to engage Ron head-on without being very prepared to scrap. Even hair trigger McCain manages to limit himself to sneers.

I think Ron has been somwhate crippled by the media relations on his campaign staff. Kent might be fine for a right hand guy. Im not sure hes full blown strtagist material with the needed contacts... but hes been passable.

Jesse has to go. Someone that can motivate the press is needed. Other campaigns have press managers with long lists of contacts and experience on how to handle press releases. The amount of time the campaign has snubbed reporters is criminal for all the money we have donated.

RonRules
01-11-2008, 08:47 AM
It's important to keep the money just in time for SuperTuesday. He could have done better in NH, but getting to strong early is a bad idea. Huckabee, Romney and of course Giuliani have ALL peaked early and getting funding will be difficult.

And also for the readers, please save some cash for the MLK money bomb.

Let's make a goal of 8 million. Wouldn't that be amazing. A nice SCARY progression of 4, 6, 8 millions !

TSOL
01-11-2008, 08:49 AM
That was my favortie moment of the night; the stumbling of the guys question, the reply from the Doctor and the audience applause !

Wonderful.

Crowish
01-11-2008, 08:52 AM
Or roll them in a port-o-john.

LOL

Talldude1412
01-11-2008, 09:05 AM
Just finished reading the transcript from last night, and is it just me or did Ron Paul kick some MAJOR butt? That was a VERY impressive showing, and I would be willing to bet he has won many votes on that debate. Very impressive.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
01-11-2008, 09:11 AM
Nah, that was dramatic pause. He has no shame.

Agreed. None whatsoever.

HistoryWillBeMade:RonPaul
01-11-2008, 11:37 PM
The REVOLUTION is back!

Phase 2 has started. Pauls son, Rand, himself has stated in a way that if Ron Paul raises enough money (beating his previous 20 million) 30 million? The people will have spoken and Ron might run 3rd party.

Just saying. Someone else can post the video of Rand saying this. It is important to not only give up but increase the support.

It is only the beginning. Seeing How there has only been three states caucusas/primary's and three different winners is great for us. It is dividing the vote!

Bigvick
01-12-2008, 12:02 AM
The REVOLUTION is back!

Phase 2 has started. Pauls son, Rand, himself has stated in a way that if Ron Paul raises enough money (beating his previous 20 million) 30 million? The people will have spoken and Ron might run 3rd party.

Just saying. Someone else can post the video of Rand saying this. It is important to not only give up but increase the support.

It is only the beginning. Seeing How there has only been three states caucusas/primary's and three different winners is great for us. It is dividing the vote!

Unfortunately, America will not elect a 3rd party candidate....

Dr.Paul knows this, This is why he is still in the Republican party fighting for the nomination.

I highly doubt that he will run 3rd party


*On a sidenote..

This new more powerful Paul will start to get him double digit support - if he can continue this way...

Carole
01-12-2008, 12:08 AM
He paused for dramatic/comic effect. It was obviously planned for most impact.:mad:

Carole
01-12-2008, 12:16 AM
We need to reward him with money. :D

Carole
01-12-2008, 12:23 AM
Folks, I think Dr. Paul won some new converts with this debate. A few comments below.
Qver 1200 comments here:

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/01/11/gop-candidates-debate-in-strategic-state-of-south-carolina/


Brenda Says:
January 10th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
I have not been considering Ron Paul as my candidate, but , I understood what he was saying when he responded to the question about the Iran speedboat confrontation. Although the other candidates supported the captains decisions to be passive, they also made threats with gusto. The groundwork is being laid for war with Iran, he acknowledged that fact. The derision and snickers were uncalled for. He seems to have a better grasp, or willingness to speak, of the economy I and my business in construction is experiencing. I remember what happened to the construction workers in the last recession, and I see whatís happening across the industry now.
Romney was on thin ice before, his rudeness and disrepect ruled him out for me on the last debate, and he didnít gain ground this time. He has come off as a bully. I donít think the world situation needs another bully in power.

1. Brian Says:
January 10th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
The GOP canidates (save Ron Paul) remind me of the last line in Orwellís Animal Farm. It was something like; ďand the animals looked at the faces from pig to man, and from man to pig, and they could not tell the difference.
A million Iranians died in the war with Iraq. Donít pretend not to remember our history in that war. Oh but muslims hate us because we are free and rich. Neo cons and their spineless liberal enablers have doomed this country for generations to come. These wars are not fought to be won. They are meant to be endless.


1. Kyle Says:
January 10th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
I thought FOX actually did a somewhat OK job with this debate tonight, better than usual anyway. However I have to say that the one question aimed at Ron Paul about electability was quite insulting and he did a very good job of defending himself. In fact all throughout the debate he stood his ground and got involved which is something he needs to do more often. McCain impressed me in the sense that he seems honest, which is something only him and Paul show in my opinion. So far, my vote goes to Paul.

Brian Says:
January 10th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
He isnít polished, but Paul blew them all out of the water when it came down to the nitty gritty of policy issues. When he responded to whether he is electable he won my vote. The only candidate who came close to true conservatism is Thompson. Letís make government responsible again!

1. Patricia Says:
January 10th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Ron Paul caught my attention in this debate and convinced me with his knowledge of economics. I will be taking another look at his platform. He is the only Republican candidate that addressed the fact that we are in a recession and precisely what our government and the Federal Reserve should not do in an effort to shorten or diminish the effects of a recession.

1. observer in 08 Says:
January 11th, 2008 at 1:00 am
Interesting debate. I am amazed at how alike so many of the Republicans sound, yet still no real solution that sound any different than the last 20 years. I am intriqued by Congressman Ron Paulís answers and that he behaves as a gentleman under such mockery from others. Iíll check him out.

1. Dumb Like a Fox Says:
January 11th, 2008 at 12:59 am
Fox sank to new ďjournalisticĒ lows with this debate. The whole thing looked like one big Ron Paul hatchet job after his campaign cried foul for being left out of the NH roundtable.
And, what was the ďfocus groupĒ thing all about?!!Ö. a Fred Thompson lovefest? Absolutely pathetic.

pikerz
01-12-2008, 12:33 AM
Ron's strength of charecter is a huge asset to us.

These guys at Fox are enormous cowards. You can believe they are literally shaking in their boots as they think about the fall out for attempting to slander Paul. They are yeilding to our power because we have not been afraid to show it. Ultimately, they will completely fold under the continued strength of Paul's arguments and his unimpeachable charecter.

We make them look absurd-- mere caricatures of themselves.

Carole
01-12-2008, 12:57 AM
Does anyone get the weird "their way" guttural remark by Carl Cameron when he asks the electability question? What does he mean by that? :eek: Very strange!

Is this why Fox pulled that out of the debate or was it the great response by Paul, or both?

Watch closely when he pauses:

Ron Paul SC Debate on Electability Question 5 - 01/10/2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mffpkCH-PJw

AEMsupra
01-12-2008, 09:05 AM
yes Ron Pauls debate was fantastic

killatop
01-12-2008, 09:22 AM
Does anyone get the weird "their way" guttural remark by Carl Cameron when he asks the electability question? What does he mean by that? :eek: Very strange!

Is this why Fox pulled that out of the debate or was it the great response by Paul, or both?

Watch closely when he pauses:

Ron Paul SC Debate on Electability Question 5 - 01/10/2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mffpkCH-PJw

I just noticed that. He is probably talking about the establishment and how they wrote the question...exactly has he said it in a condescending manner.

torchbearer
01-12-2008, 09:34 AM
Watch the moderator immediately after he asks "another question about electability"

He spends 4 seconds (7, 8, 9, 10) moving his mouth and making sub-vocal noises before going on to "do you have any?"

What is up with that? It's like he knows he's about to ask a really stupid/smarmy question and he has to psych himself up for it. It's just plain weird!

he had fear in his heart....

AlexMerced
01-12-2008, 09:40 AM
I'm not sure that there is "a plan"
But it is apparent that Ron Paul is all in.

If he looks into the camera and talks to America it could get very interesting.

there most certainly is a plan, Paul has a very interesting electoral history, and it's repeating as he usally does his thing

zoi
01-12-2008, 09:48 AM
GOOOOOOOOOO RON PAUL!!!!!

View the massacre here and please forward widely!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKjhNa6PGLk

Urban dictionary definitions of Annihilate: (Enjoy!! :->)
annihilate

Kill, destroy, obliterate, decimate, eradicate, smash, crush, beat the living shit out of... all good examples of annihilation, must I say more?

torchbearer
01-12-2008, 09:59 AM
GOOOOOOOOOO RON PAUL!!!!!

View the massacre here and please forward widely!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKjhNa6PGLk

Urban dictionary definitions of Annihilate: (Enjoy!! :->)
annihilate

Kill, destroy, obliterate, decimate, eradicate, smash, crush, beat the living shit out of... all good examples of annihilation, must I say more?

Exterminate!
http://www.aceldama.com/~tomr/media/dalek/dalek-3h.jpg

Anti Federalist
01-12-2008, 10:19 AM
Alot of people in this country should be happy that the masses do not tar and feather people anymore.

Tar and feathers are too good for some of these sluts.

smtwngrl
01-12-2008, 10:47 AM
Originally Posted by zoi View Post
GOOOOOOOOOO RON PAUL!!!!!

View the massacre here and please forward widely!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKjhNa6PGLk


I wish that I had the knowledge and ability to put together clips from videos. :)

It's obvious from this and other debates that the other candidates know little about economics. For example, after Dr. Paul answers the economics question (very knowledgeably), the camera pans to McCain. Look at that smirk. It's easy for him to smirk, because he knows absolutely nothing about economics. He, in a previous debate, said he would like it if the Fed would lower the interest rate to 0% and leave it there. Wouldn't it be nice to have a video with clips like that, put side to side, along with added information, for the implications of what was being said.

It would be great to highlight Ron Paul's knowledgeability, and the others lack, because I think that adds significantly to his qualifications to be president. But even more significantly, wouldn't you think that those less knowledgeable would have respect for someone who knows more, not make fun? Making fun in that context is small-mindedness. And who wants a small-minded president?

I think a video that highlights these things would be a powerful statement.

torchbearer
01-12-2008, 10:54 AM
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H Roark
01-12-2008, 02:56 PM
Yeah I sensed some shame coming from Cameron as well, I didn't know he was capable of feeling that.


1) The "Onward" letter: http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_p...e-from-ro.html

2) The public debunking of the old newsletters.

and

3) His debate performance tonight was FANTASTIC. He tore the entire Neo-Con movement a new asshole tonight with the greatest comeback I have ever seen. I've watched this video 9 times already tonight and it still gives me goosebumps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mffpkCH-PJw
Reply With Quote

And don't forget the NH recount! Things are looking up again!

LukeNM
01-12-2008, 04:03 PM
All Fox cares about is the war continuing and escalating so they have something to report on. Without the war they would be out of business, and they know it. Prior to the Gulf War #1 (Desert Storm) they were overshadowed by CCN. Their popularity only began with their coverage of war. This is a fight for their preservation and they are not going to go down easy. My guess is the corporate heads have given marching orders to all their reporters, that if they want to keep their jobs, humiliate, embarrass and chastise Ron Paul every chance you get.

Son of Freedom
01-12-2008, 04:12 PM
If he looks into the camera and talks to America it could get very interesting.

And that is EXACTLY what he needs to do! He needs to look America (not the commentator) in the eyes, deflecting whatever dumbass question he gets asked and then lay it out for the people. Tell the commentator when he interrupts that he has 2 minutes so just let me look like the nut you make me out to be.

America, you're being used. Your govt has been taken over by powerful corporate interests, laws are written in their favor not yours. I am your chance to take america back to the true owners, YOU. State as much as possible in 2 minutes and refer them to the campaign website.

I'm sure he could have this planned ahead of time, written out very well and he could deliver it like nobody else could.

Is this a revolution or isn't it? Lay it out there Ron, have your website ready with your points in detail, there are multitudes of people here willing to do it. Tell America to stop listening to these false prophets and hear it straight from you, they can accept it or reject it. I have a feeling a lot of people would accept it.

You're polling horribly everywhere, what the hell do we have to lose?

Nicketas
01-12-2008, 04:55 PM
xxxx

dmspilot00
01-12-2008, 05:09 PM
And that is EXACTLY what he needs to do! He needs to look America (not the commentator) in the eyes, deflecting whatever dumbass question he gets asked and then lay it out for the people. I don't think they know which camera they would have to look into to do that at the debates.

RPfan
01-12-2008, 10:40 PM
Amazing line (writing from memory - so it will not be as good as the one delivered by Dr. Ron Paul) to remind the lost Republicans:

Borrow $10 BILLION from China to give to Musharraf whose government overthrew/killed democratic leaders and then fight war .... to spread democracy in Iraq and lose 1000s of soldiers! What is going on here?

I wish this wakes up the Republican masses to realize who is the real conservative Republican on the stage!

WilliamC
01-12-2008, 10:52 PM
And that is EXACTLY what he needs to do! He needs to look America (not the commentator) in the eyes, deflecting whatever dumbass question he gets asked and then lay it out for the people. Tell the commentator when he interrupts that he has 2 minutes so just let me look like the nut you make me out to be.

America, you're being used. Your govt has been taken over by powerful corporate interests, laws are written in their favor not yours. I am your chance to take america back to the true owners, YOU. State as much as possible in 2 minutes and refer them to the campaign website.

I'm sure he could have this planned ahead of time, written out very well and he could deliver it like nobody else could.

Is this a revolution or isn't it? Lay it out there Ron, have your website ready with your points in detail, there are multitudes of people here willing to do it. Tell America to stop listening to these false prophets and hear it straight from you, they can accept it or reject it. I have a feeling a lot of people would accept it.

You're polling horribly everywhere, what the hell do we have to lose?

Word.

Shellshock1918
01-12-2008, 11:30 PM
Seriously, after the debate tonight, I believe Ron has been doing the "rope a dope" as mentioned in another thread and sandbagging.

He just turned his whole campaign up to level 11. Someone else said it in another post, but I'll reiterate:

1) The "Onward" letter: http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/01/message-from-ro.html

2) The public debunking of the old newsletters.

and

3) His debate performance tonight was FANTASTIC. He tore the entire Neo-Con movement a new asshole tonight with the greatest comeback I have ever seen. I've watched this video 9 times already tonight and it still gives me goosebumps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mffpkCH-PJw

As someone said in the chat during that moment:
"shit...on that note a commercial."

Sesshomaru
01-13-2008, 12:53 AM
Word.

x2

If Ron Paul keeps speaking like that, things will be very good for him.

syborius
01-13-2008, 07:44 AM
No. Look in his eyes. The pause was dramatic and intentional.

WOW< everyone is missing it besides a few..turn up the volume, read his lips..

"THEIR WAY" is said...

he hated he had to do it, and he threw that in to tip us off so eventually we won't ask for his head. Who wants to be chased like sean Hannity..it will get a lot worse for these fascists...

this is what we call the "nuremburg defense" :cool:

TheSkeptic
01-13-2008, 01:50 PM
Paul's answer to this question was absolutely awesome. It even eclipsed the moment earlier in the debate when he firmly but politely steered Faux away from the "9/11 truther" question to allow him to answer the Reagan coalition question that everyone else got a shot at.

Someone earlier in this thread said that America would never elect a third party candidate. Go back to '92 - if Ross Perot (what is it with the initials RP?) hadn't of dropped out, he would've beaten both Clinton and Bush according to national polls.

Both of these men were very smart and relevant. The problem Ron Paul is facing that Perot didn't have is the strong fear that Bush & Co. have introduced into American culture. People love Paul on all the issues except for national security - they think he's irrelevant because the current regime has convinced everybody that we have to occupy half the planet in order to protect ourselves from religious wackos. It's why he's written off by a lot of people who would have eagerly voted for him in earlier years.

MikeFallopian
01-13-2008, 02:34 PM
Paul did very well in the debate, but his poll numbers are still dropping (latest Rasmussen national tracking poll puts him at 2%, down from 4% a few days ago). I think the newsletter scandal has had a bigger effect than the debate on his support. Clearing that up should be priority 1 for his campaign.

Shavenyak
01-13-2008, 02:35 PM
Someone earlier in this thread said that America would never elect a third party candidate. Go back to '92 - if Ross Perot (what is it with the initials RP?) hadn't of dropped out, he would've beaten both Clinton and Bush according to national polls.


Those crazy Texans :D

I think Paul could pull a Perot rather easily considering the quality of all the other candidates. (Left at least)

ForLiberty-RonPaul
01-13-2008, 03:05 PM
Does anyone get the weird "their way" guttural remark by Carl Cameron when he asks the electability question? What does he mean by that? :eek: Very strange!

Is this why Fox pulled that out of the debate or was it the great response by Paul, or both?

Watch closely when he pauses:

Ron Paul SC Debate on Electability Question 5 - 01/10/2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mffpkCH-PJw

Whoa! I didn't even notice that before. Maybe that was the point. He didn't seem to be ashamed or anything like that. It looked like he intentionally looked right at Dr. Paul and said "Their way." WTF??!!?!?

And the way he said it was really creepy. Like it was supposed to be subliminal or something. I know i'm sounding all tin foiled up right now, but when you consider that fox uses these types of techniques daily in their broadcasts, in makes you stop to think.

LukeNM
01-13-2008, 04:25 PM
bump...

painter4Ron Paul
01-13-2008, 08:17 PM
okey dokkey