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godawgs
01-11-2008, 12:18 AM
I have always been a Republican and heavily into politics (college republicans, limbaugh letter, newt, contract with america, etc.)

When I watched the debate tonight and heard the audience laugh at one of Ron Paul's answers... that made me mad.

I am mad that out of principle (for their treatment of DRP) I am unable to watch Fox News anymore, I watched it every night for the last few years after work and like Shepard Smith.

I am mad at the other candidates for laughing at Dr. Paul when he is giving answers when their only answers are fairytales and non specifics.

I am mad because I do not see a place in the Republican party for someone that believes in a small government non interventialist foreign policy.

I am mad that the majority of voters think so simplistically of their positions - hes a christian - he was mayor during 9/11 - he was a POW - he looks good - he was on law and order.

I do not know if there are many of you out there that feel like me. I am not so sure all of the time that I am the minority of DRP supporters. I am not a lunatic by their definition, heck I voted for Bush the last two elections.

Anyways, the debate showed me how out of place I am. They are going to really miss the 10% of our vote come the general election against Obama.

Blah.

CountryRoads
01-11-2008, 12:19 AM
Welcome to the Revolution :)

specsaregood
01-11-2008, 12:22 AM
I also voted for Bush and defended him.
I also watched foxnews for years and defended them.
I grew up listening to Rush and his message of personal responsibility and small government.
I now realize that Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that actually lives the life of these ideals.

Welcome to the Revolution.

P.S. Email the foxnews sponsors and join the boycott!

hillertexas
01-11-2008, 12:24 AM
Why did you start 2 identical threads??
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=86499

godawgs
01-11-2008, 12:31 AM
Sorry. I typed my message but wasn't logged in. I guess it got duplicated somehow in the process of logging in. Feel free to delete it if thats a problem, I don't see how.

hillertexas
01-11-2008, 12:32 AM
Sorry. I typed my message but wasn't logged in. I guess it got duplicated somehow in the process of logging in. Feel free to delete it if thats a problem, I don't see how.

gotcha...thanks...just curious

CrazyRonPaulSupporter
01-11-2008, 12:39 AM
This reminds me of when I saw my first Ron Paul debate. I heard about the mistreatment and unfairness of Ron by media. But after seeing and hearing it for myself for the first time, it was kind of a shock! Depressing indeed!

Nowadays, it just proves we are heading for victory! :)


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newbitech
01-11-2008, 12:41 AM
I have always been a Republican and heavily into politics (college republicans, limbaugh letter, newt, contract with america, etc.)

When I watched the debate tonight and heard the audience laugh at one of Ron Paul's answers... that made me mad.

I am mad that out of principle (for their treatment of DRP) I am unable to watch Fox News anymore, I watched it every night for the last few years after work and like Shepard Smith.

I am mad at the other candidates for laughing at Dr. Paul when he is giving answers when their only answers are fairytales and non specifics.

I am mad because I do not see a place in the Republican party for someone that believes in a small government non interventialist foreign policy.

I am mad that the majority of voters think so simplistically of their positions - hes a christian - he was mayor during 9/11 - he was a POW - he looks good - he was on law and order.

I do not know if there are many of you out there that feel like me. I am not so sure all of the time that I am the minority of DRP supporters. I am not a lunatic by their definition, heck I voted for Bush the last two elections.

Anyways, the debate showed me how out of place I am. They are going to really miss the 10% of our vote come the general election against Obama.

Blah.

you are exactly like me and I would say most people in here will be like us. I too had the same questions and feel the same anger.

I will admit that I was sitting there in front of Fox News 24/7 cheering shock and awe. Then one day it just hit me. I was researching astro physics and alternate theory of the cosmos and ran through a serious of links that eventually ended up with me watching Aaron Russo's Freedom to Facism. That same day I started realizing what a sham I had been put through most my life.

Best thing I ever did for myself was get rid of the t.v. I vote for Bush again though because Kerry was not an option. I never was in to politics, just thought I was a republican cause of the conservative label. I went like the good little sheep and pulled the trigger twice for this war.

Oh how I wish I would have known Dr. Paul then. The Media made sure I didn't know him. I always wondered why there was that one dude who never voted for very important bills that were getting passed left and right after 911. But the media never reported any of that stuff.

Well here I am, and there are 7 people that I know personally who went through a very similar cycle to get here. Think about this for a minute. FOX excluded Dr. Paul from the N.H. debate. How many people do you think missed that message and will have to wait to reach the point where you and I are at right now.

Fucking Ridiculous.

RWill
01-11-2008, 12:50 AM
I unlocked the Parental Control feature to watch the Fox Debate. Fox is a joke. Let's get 20 people, none of whom are Ron Paul supporters into a room to bash him. This is like watching kindergarten.

Did you notice the male audience? Men look like sissies. Half of them and the reporters look gay. Are female hormones in the drinking water? Where are the tough guys?

Oh you're here.

Hook
01-11-2008, 01:08 AM
You should watch Harry Browne. He was the LP candidate in 96 and 2000. He was even more articulate than Dr. Paul. It's too bad he didn't get into the debates, because he could have wiped the walls with Gore and Bushie.

Sadly, he passed away in 2005 from ALS.

ronpaulitician
01-11-2008, 01:09 AM
To me, this is the GOP's last chance.

jstmike
01-11-2008, 01:20 AM
I agree with you. I was also shocked with that panel when Dr. Paul was talking about the false Iran info and that panel gave him the lowest score.

Xenophage
01-11-2008, 01:32 AM
I have always been a Republican and heavily into politics (college republicans, limbaugh letter, newt, contract with america, etc.)

When I watched the debate tonight and heard the audience laugh at one of Ron Paul's answers... that made me mad.

I am mad that out of principle (for their treatment of DRP) I am unable to watch Fox News anymore, I watched it every night for the last few years after work and like Shepard Smith.

I am mad at the other candidates for laughing at Dr. Paul when he is giving answers when their only answers are fairytales and non specifics.

I am mad because I do not see a place in the Republican party for someone that believes in a small government non interventialist foreign policy.

I am mad that the majority of voters think so simplistically of their positions - hes a christian - he was mayor during 9/11 - he was a POW - he looks good - he was on law and order.

I do not know if there are many of you out there that feel like me. I am not so sure all of the time that I am the minority of DRP supporters. I am not a lunatic by their definition, heck I voted for Bush the last two elections.

Anyways, the debate showed me how out of place I am. They are going to really miss the 10% of our vote come the general election against Obama.

Blah.

I agree with you entirely man, but I've never been a Republican until now. I've been registered Libertarian since I was in High School and have felt just as bad as you do now for about a decade, for the same reasons. Ever follow Harry Browne? I remember when Bill O'Reily had him on the show... treatment just as bad as Ron Paul gets. My candidate preferences however, were never even allowed to participate in the debates.

Despite this I was glad when Bush beat the Dems, although I didn't vote for him. Nowadays, however, I actually wish Gore had won in 2000 because I don't think his economic or social policies would have gotten much play in the conservative congress, but his foreign policy would probably have been far superior and we'd almost certainly have less government than we do now.

I switched Republican just to vote for RP here in Alaska. After that, I'll switch back. The GOP is not the place for me unless there's a Ron Paul to support.

Spideynw
01-11-2008, 01:50 AM
I have to say the all the debates are a complete joke. They are not serious shows. They are simply for entertainment. Did you notice how anytime that Ron Paul was speaking, and another candidate thought it was funny, that they show the other candidate chuckling? These are a complete joke. They do not address very many serious issues. Give me a break with the question about whether or not Dr. Paul will tell his supporters to quit with the 9/11 stuff. Where are the questions asking about what he thinks about foreign aid or subsidies? Or how about normalizing relations with Cuba and other countries? The media completely directs their viewers, and their viewers are like sheep. I am really undecided on whether Ron Paul being on these debates helps or hurts him. I still tend to lean to they help him, because they at least help get him name recognition. That is about it though. The PBS interview and Jay Leno interview were by far the best I have seen, but you can only get stuff like that when not in a debate.

Minuteman2008
01-11-2008, 02:00 AM
I'm sort of in the same boat as the original poster, but I've long been much more of a paleoconservative in my thinking (I thought the invasion of Iraq was a huge mistake from day one).

I am also deciding that I cannot vote for another Republican in the general election, and I cannot vote for either Democrat. So if Paul doesn't win I don't know what I'll do.

I've maintained for a long time that the Republican party would have been in much better shape if John Kerry had won in '04. Perhaps the same could be said if Clinton or Obama wins in '08.

fj45lvr
01-11-2008, 02:00 AM
Don't worry too much bud.....the socialist are going to "lay the wood" to these pompus asses in a few months anyhow. I am also a life-long GOP but I seriously doubt I will be after Paul because they are a BIG GOVERNMENT party that are total idiots to actually believe the "Islamists" are a serious threat (when we are already sinking as if a drowning man worries about getting a shark bite!!! and the BOOGEYMAN can't even overthrow EGYPT let alone a single state of our union!!!

Isn't it funny when you hear people talk as if they are soooo wise and intelligent and you're thinking to yourself how ignorant they are.

You have just been broken out of the idea that there is ONLY 2 sides to the coin (a total lie).....there is ONLY 1 truth and its not spoken out of the mouth of LIARS and CROOKS.

Georgia Agrarian
01-11-2008, 02:02 AM
I have always been a Republican and heavily into politics (college republicans, limbaugh letter, newt, contract with america, etc.)

When I watched the debate tonight and heard the audience laugh at one of Ron Paul's answers... that made me mad.

I am mad that out of principle (for their treatment of DRP) I am unable to watch Fox News anymore, I watched it every night for the last few years after work and like Shepard Smith.

I am mad at the other candidates for laughing at Dr. Paul when he is giving answers when their only answers are fairytales and non specifics.

I am mad because I do not see a place in the Republican party for someone that believes in a small government non interventialist foreign policy.

I am mad that the majority of voters think so simplistically of their positions - hes a christian - he was mayor during 9/11 - he was a POW - he looks good - he was on law and order.

I do not know if there are many of you out there that feel like me. I am not so sure all of the time that I am the minority of DRP supporters. I am not a lunatic by their definition, heck I voted for Bush the last two elections.

Anyways, the debate showed me how out of place I am. They are going to really miss the 10% of our vote come the general election against Obama.

Blah.

I know what you mean. I think i live not too far from where you go to Frankfurt School indoctrination camp, and I must say, I've always taken up for my heritage at the drop of a hat. However, I'm beginning to be genuinely embarrassed at more than a few of my Bubba friends, family, and neighbors. At times, their willful ignorance and gullibility just drives me up the wall. Many times I have to leave their presence before I say something ugly. Family reunion was just sickening this year.

Welcome aboard The Revolution, and Go Dawgs!!

bolognium
01-11-2008, 02:03 AM
They are going to really miss the 10% of our vote come the general election against Obama.


it'll be more than that.

pacelli
01-11-2008, 02:05 AM
I agree with you. I was also shocked with that panel when Dr. Paul was talking about the false Iran info and that panel gave him the lowest score.

That's all staged. Frank Luntz has been exposed using the same people in his "randomly selected" focus groups. Frank Luntz has been exposed admitting that he can influence people's opinions based on the way he talks to them. They never show video of what he is saying to the "focus group" during the debate itself. My hypothesis is that he probably tries to influence them.

WTFYO
01-11-2008, 02:07 AM
you are exactly like me and I would say most people in here will be like us. I too had the same questions and feel the same anger.

I will admit that I was sitting there in front of Fox News 24/7 cheering shock and awe. Then one day it just hit me. I was researching astro physics and alternate theory of the cosmos and ran through a serious of links that eventually ended up with me watching Aaron Russo's Freedom to Facism. That same day I started realizing what a sham I had been put through most my life.

Best thing I ever did for myself was get rid of the t.v. I vote for Bush again though because Kerry was not an option. I never was in to politics, just thought I was a republican cause of the conservative label. I went like the good little sheep and pulled the trigger twice for this war.

Oh how I wish I would have known Dr. Paul then. The Media made sure I didn't know him. I always wondered why there was that one dude who never voted for very important bills that were getting passed left and right after 911. But the media never reported any of that stuff.

Well here I am, and there are 7 people that I know personally who went through a very similar cycle to get here. Think about this for a minute. FOX excluded Dr. Paul from the N.H. debate. How many people do you think missed that message and will have to wait to reach the point where you and I are at right now.

Fucking Ridiculous.You described what happened to me to a tee.

RonPaulFTFW
01-11-2008, 02:10 AM
Welcome to the RevoLution.

We've been waiting for you.

tommy7154
01-11-2008, 02:59 AM
you are exactly like me and I would say most people in here will be like us. I too had the same questions and feel the same anger.

I will admit that I was sitting there in front of Fox News 24/7 cheering shock and awe. Then one day it just hit me. I was researching astro physics and alternate theory of the cosmos and ran through a serious of links that eventually ended up with me watching Aaron Russo's Freedom to Facism. That same day I started realizing what a sham I had been put through most my life.

Best thing I ever did for myself was get rid of the t.v. I vote for Bush again though because Kerry was not an option. I never was in to politics, just thought I was a republican cause of the conservative label. I went like the good little sheep and pulled the trigger twice for this war.

Oh how I wish I would have known Dr. Paul then. The Media made sure I didn't know him. I always wondered why there was that one dude who never voted for very important bills that were getting passed left and right after 911. But the media never reported any of that stuff.

Well here I am, and there are 7 people that I know personally who went through a very similar cycle to get here. Think about this for a minute. FOX excluded Dr. Paul from the N.H. debate. How many people do you think missed that message and will have to wait to reach the point where you and I are at right now.

Fucking Ridiculous.

I’m right there with you... I used to watch FOX news and all the other msm and frankly thought people like us were a little kooky. FOX, CNN...that's the NEWS I thought. That was REALITY. Surely they aren't biased, they're simply reporting the news as it happens, right??

Thank "god" for Ron Paul and for the internet. My eyes are now wide open and I realize that what I thought was far from the truth. I actually feel as if I was brainwashed, and it pisses me off to no end. I was never told the TRUTH, I was only force fed what they wanted me to believe.

Also, let me make it clear that Ron Paul may be ahead of his time, but his message is getting out. He has been a big part in opening my eyes to politics and to the world in general. If there was any justice in this world, Ron Paul would go down in history as the new “founding father” of this country. The man who started the revolution to restore the Constitution. The man who brought respect back to this once great nation. The man who gave us back our freedoms. The man who gave this country back to THE PEOPLE to whom it belongs!

So thank you Dr Paul for opening my eyes. Thank you for standing up for what you believe in. Thank you for giving a voice to the true patriots of this country. Thank you for giving us all hope for a better future. You are my hero.