Okay. So is it the New World Order, or is it Corporatism?

[RP=RonPaul=RedPill]

Which one is it? Are the Bilderberg members meeting on behalf of the New World Order, or corporations? That is the argument my "republicanism was founded on expansionism" friend is proposing.

[Fox McCloud]

The Bilderbergs are for the New World Order, and they will use any political ideology and any methodology of advancing their beliefs, whether it be Republicans, Democrats, Independents, corporatism, fascism, nazism, etc.

The only ones they have a big problem with is Libertarians and Constitutionalists.

[RP=RonPaul=RedPill]

Okay, so I'm right, and my university educated friends are wrong. Go figure.

[scholarpreneur]

There's no right or wrong. There are a lot of different people and organizations whose common interest is to have a global one-world economy and government. The neoconservatives, bilderbergs, international corporations, international bankers, etc.

There's no one mastermind behind this all. Just a lot of different greedy, power hungry people.

[FrankRep]

There are tons of groups fighting for power.

[Dave Pedersen]

Power is a pyramid of puppeteers and subordinate puppets, front men and those who pull the levers behind the curtains. They will always be with man for they are man when wed with power. Power corrupts and it is always a lust beating in every human heart. Power is our common ill and power is our common enemy. Those who wield it are in place only because so many want it to be so. In fear of anarchy government is formed and thus tyranny looms over every populace.

Crime causes fear and fear causes government and government causes power. So then without undue fear of crime we are optimally free. We remain in bondage to tyranny which only self defense and the overcoming of the fear of the potential criminal can extricate us.

Does government eradicate crime? No. It only adds a worse threat. Anarchy is far better than any government and anarchy will never be embraced as long as we fear more than we dare to face crime ourselves. As long as we hire out our protection to others we must also realize we consolidate power and begin again the perilous journey to what only governments can achieve in terms of monstrous evil.

There is no crime worse than that which only government itself can commit.

I do not believe this American experiment has the possibility of realizing the stated ideal. We were close at one time but it has degraded without halting toward another King George spectacle and far worse due to our advancing technology. The consolidation of power is and will be the greatest threat to humanity. Give me criminals and spare me the politicians and the lawyers and I will be free. Or we can keep all three until they decide we no longer serve any useful purpose.

[JanusFIN]

Behind in Corporations and the plan: New World Order, are one and the same insitute, and that is Christianity. In the name of this religion, under this same main institute works different types of societyes, witch runs different parts of Christian world: Governments, Churches, Secret Police, Corporations...

FreeMasons are the knights, and defenders of their great plans to rule "western world". The hierarchy of masons are huge, the pyramid of power, what has been painted in front of dollar, the all mighty eye, is "illuminati." In that group there are these main master planners for New World Order, and they execute the will, what has been planned and executed for a long time.

Illuminati has a another name too, how you maybe know it more easy, and thats the "Council of Foreign Relations" thats byrokratic name for the same society. In beyond these names, its just a FreeMasons and its Grand masters. Those who own corporations and banks, witch also carry same the symbols than FreeMasons in public, are the funders of this secret movement behind and above the religion of Christianity.

This New World Order is not American movement, but you are the soldiers for this purpose, for this great global idea. You are the striking force witch mostly British and Israeli rulers use around the world to spread all over: American Forces are the tools in executing this great plan of world nomination.

Corporations are the tools to get profit for fews "elected" ones. They own and slaves people around the world. All Christian countrys have common interests, and that is the interest of vatican, Zionists, Royals of England, and the Elite around them. They are the "chosen" people to whom everybody should do their work, pay taxes, give lives, and individual freedom.

New World Order is one world government plan, and their solution for over population. It leaves 5 billion people to death in near future, and it leaves only 500 million people to live, and about 1 billion people to their slaves. Its a fascism dictatorship, and all the people are finally should connect its purposes.

The greatest fraud, Christianity itself, can tell you under 70% of the real truth, enough you to believe it, but enough to rulers to keep it in secret and in their hands to remain in power. In religion there are all the keys to understand the truth in larger scale, but hiding the main 30% of human knowledge and its real purpose, truth, is the tool to rule your thinking and mind in this world. Religion itself is a conspiracy, and the world as you see it today, is only a great lie. That is very sad, but true.

In the name of New World Order, they have arrange already 2 major world wars in this century, tens of another wars, huge starvations, overthrown governments, and plenty is still on their way. Zionist were ready to kill millions of their own people to make huge profits in corporate business in 30th, taking in their custody the whole US economy. They have written history, and its distortions, how you think now, it was not true.

They will try to manage you also tomorrow. US president have ready plans in his office to execute, you are naive if you think that "War On Terror" was something that Bush Jr made up in a moments of 9/11... They are not the guys who has make those plans, but their fathers, and grand fathers are!

Question remains, are you willing to accept that? :confused:

[wildflower]

Behind in Corporations and the plan: New World Order, are one and the same insitute, and that is Christianity. In the name of this religion, under this same main institute works different types of societyes, witch runs different parts of Christian world: Governments, Churches, Secret Police, Corporations...

FreeMasons are the knights, and defenders of their great plans to rule "western world". The hierarchy of masons are huge, the pyramid of power, what has been painted in front of dollar, the all mighty eye, is "illuminati." In that group there are these main master planners for New World Order, and they execute the will, what has been planned and executed for a long time.

Illuminati has a another name too, how you maybe know it more easy, and thats the "Council of Foreign Relations" thats byrokratic name for the same society. In beyond these names, its just a FreeMasons and its Grand masters. Those who own corporations and banks, witch also carry same the symbols than FreeMasons in public, are the funders of this secret movement behind and above the religion of Christianity.

This New World Order is not American movement, but you are the soldiers for this purpose, for this great global idea. You are the striking force witch mostly British and Israeli rulers use around the world to spread all over: American Forces are the tools in executing this great plan of world nomination.

Corporations are the tools to get profit for fews "elected" ones. They own and slaves people around the world. All Christian countrys have common interests, and that is the interest of vatican, Zionists, Royals of England, and the Elite around them. They are the "chosen" people to whom everybody should do their work, pay taxes, give lives, and individual freedom.

New World Order is one world government plan, and their solution for over population. It leaves 5 billion people to death in near future, and it leaves only 500 million people to live, and about 1 billion people to their slaves. Its a fascism dictatorship, and all the people are finally should connect its purposes.

The greatest fraud, Christianity itself, can tell you under 70% of the real truth, enough you to believe it, but enough to rulers to keep it in secret and in their hands to remain in power. In religion there are all the keys to understand the truth in larger scale, but hiding the main 30% of human knowledge and its real purpose, truth, is the tool to rule your thinking and mind in this world. Religion itself is a conspiracy, and the world as you see it today, is only a great lie. That is very sad, but true.

In the name of New World Order, they have arrange already 2 major world wars in this century, tens of another wars, huge starvations, overthrown governments, and plenty is still on their way. Zionist were ready to kill millions of their own people to make huge profits in corporate business in 30th, taking in their custody the whole US economy. They have written history, and its distortions, how you think now, it was not true.

They will try to manage you also tomorrow. US president have ready plans in his office to execute, you are naive if you think that "War On Terror" was something that Bush Jr made up in a moments of 9/11... They are not the guys who has make those plans, but their fathers, and grand fathers are!

Question remains, are you willing to accept that? :confused:

Oh my gosh, you got it completely backwards. According to the bible, the coming global government is EVIL, Christians are AGAINST it, and the bible states that Christians will be persecuted even more than usual, and even killed. It also talks about the 'mark' which everyone will have to get, to buy or sell.

So, the people who are behind the NWO are completely anti-Christian. I know this may sound really kooky to nonbelievers out there, but the real power behind the NWO is the enemy of God - satan himself and his ilk.

Please don't spread misinfo, the bible and Christianity are opposed to the NWO. That doesn't mean that there aren't some unsuspecting christians who unwittingly support politicians who are globalists. But there are also tons of non-christians who support globalist politicians like the Clintons, etc.

[eloquensanity]

Oh my gosh, you got it completely backwards. According to the bible, the coming global government is EVIL, Christians are AGAINST it, and the bible states that Christians will be persecuted even more than usual, and even killed. It also talks about the 'mark' which everyone will have to get, to buy or sell.

So, the people who are behind the NWO are completely anti-Christian. I know this may sound really kooky to nonbelievers out there, but the real power behind the NWO is the enemy of God - satan himself and his ilk.

Please don't spread misinfo, the bible and Christianity are opposed to the NWO. That doesn't mean that there aren't some unsuspecting christians who unwittingly support politicians who are globalists. But there are also tons of non-christians who support globalist politicians like the Clintons, etc.

There are also people who claim to be Christian who are not, these are the ones who decieve lazy Christians who will not read scripture for themselves but listen to what televangelists such as Hagee tell them to believe.

[wildflower]

^ I agree. That's why Jesus said to be careful of wolves in sheep's clothing, and to be wise. There are a lot of false teachings out there.

[ladyliberty]

Here is what I posted on the Christian Board I am a member of that relates to this very subject (I am aware that this mb does not have the youtube imbed feature, but oh well):

I have been boycotting Faux News for quite some time - I am extremely weary of their drivel that they call the "news" and their pornographic commercials and blonde bimbo broadcasting. However I did watch the you tube videos of the debate. Here is what I thought was the best moment of the debate - it shows how far from being a member of the "One World Government" crowd that Ron Paul really is! It is my belief that the One World Government Guys, the ones who support our involvement in NATO, UN, CFR, NAFTA, and CAFTA, really do HATE AMERICA! A strong America makes it more difficult to create the One World Government, so their goal is to weaken America and make us dependent on other nations. (Here is a great article called "The Murdering of America" http://www.biblebelievers.com/Gipp/GippEssay39.html)

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Through our involvement with NATO we ARE INDEED the policemen of the world - but who pays for it??? WE DO!!!
http://www.nato.int/issues/nrf/index.html

The United Nations has a great many goals - and one of them is to strip us of our constitutional right to keep and bear arms!
http://www.un.org/issues/m-disarm.html

Even the Council of Foriegn Relations is taking notice of Dr. Paul - he is the ONLY candidate running - democratic or republican - that is not Dancing with the CFR Devil!
http://www.cfr.org/publication/15159/reason.html?breadcrumb=%2Fissue%2F

[eloquensanity]

The Murdering of America
Very good article, I haven't read the others yet.

[JanusFIN]

Oh my gosh, you got it completely backwards. According to the bible, the coming global government is EVIL, Christians are AGAINST it, and the bible states that Christians will be persecuted even more than usual, and even killed. It also talks about the 'mark' which everyone will have to get, to buy or sell.

So, the people who are behind the NWO are completely anti-Christian. I know this may sound really kooky to nonbelievers out there, but the real power behind the NWO is the enemy of God - satan himself and his ilk.

Please don't spread misinfo, the bible and Christianity are opposed to the NWO. That doesn't mean that there aren't some unsuspecting christians who unwittingly support politicians who are globalists. But there are also tons of non-christians who support globalist politicians like the Clintons, etc.

No, there is no backward understanding: Like I say before, the truth its written in religions all over the world, not just in bible, but remaining 30% from it are in "secret" hands, in those, who profits from all of this. Its not easy to see behind the curtain of religion, but very possible with right questions.

Yes, there is a mention from global agenda in bible, and thats for everybody involved to see the common truth, but ask also from your self, if so, and this NWO is a great threat for them too, why they are willing to obey that dream, and shown as a good Christian to you, when they execute this NWO plan?

All your candidates seems to show as good Christians, and they are willing to yell their believes and praising the religion... ( Except this only real truther Ron Paul, who seems not doing his work for the god and religion, but for you, and for the people. )

Sword of religion has two blades. It strike to both sides, and it rule with fear. It gives you distorted idea of good and bad, and dress always to the clothes witch suits best for its interests. It give and take, always like rulers see it should.

What is the missing 30% of single god religions?

Thats you. In the triangle of the religion, they have take yourself away from the truth. Replace it with something out from you, drawn a picture from god and evil, and drop you out from the picture, replacing them self to to your lead. Your authority to your own life is taken away. Is this difficult to understand?

What religion gives is an answer, what it takes is your freedom.

New World Order comes from the bible. Its the plan, and a prediction too: Because its their goal. There are no evil, no god outside of us. We are the ones, humans, we and our leaders, and we are the gods and the evils, making that happened too. Ofcourse those who suffer are the christian people because the plan has been to conquer, and enslave under this religion, and we are already done.

World is the "heaven" and we are here for long term.

The prophecy is double sided. Its the truth, but also a great lie. There is no good and bad in this world, like white and black. We, who see the truth, we know that religion is only a tool in domination the crowds. By the Elite, to the Elite and their interests: Grow and remain in power.

I remind from this all over again: Bush family is direct bloodline from royals of England, like Clintons too. Your government work under the "foreign relations", Vatican, Royal Family, Zionist from Israel and FreeMasons. In their plans Hillary is the next president, The Queen of USA, like we see that start to happened in NH.

[wildflower]

No, there is no backward understanding: Like I say before, the truth its written in religions all over the world, not just in bible, but remaining 30% from it are in "secret" hands, in those, who profits from all of this. Its not easy to see behind the curtain of religion, but very possible with right questions.

Yes, there is a mention from global agenda in bible, and thats for everybody involved to see the common truth, but ask also from your self, if so, and this NWO is a great threat for them too, why they are willing to obey that dream, and shown as a good Christian to you, when they execute this NWO plan?

All your candidates seems to show as good Christians, and they are willing to yell their believes and praising the religion... ( Except this only real truther Ron Paul, who seems not doing his work for the god and religion, but for you, and for the people. )

Sword of religion has two blades. It strike to both sides, and it rule with fear. It gives you distorted idea of good and bad, and dress always to the clothes witch suits best for its interests. It give and take, always like rulers see it should.

What is the missing 30% of single god religions?

Thats you. In the triangle of the religion, they have take yourself away from the truth. Replace it with something out from you, drawn a picture from god and evil, and drop you out from the picture, replacing them self to to your lead. Your authority to your own life is taken away. Is this difficult to understand?

What religion gives is an answer, what it takes is your freedom.

New World Order comes from the bible. Its the plan, and a prediction too: Because its their goal. There are no evil, no god outside of us. We are the ones, humans, we and our leaders, and we are the gods and the evils, making that happened too. Ofcourse those who suffer are the christian people because the plan has been to conquer, and enslave under this religion, and we are already done.

World is the "heaven" and we are here for long term.

The prophecy is double sided. Its the truth, but also a great lie. There is no good and bad in this world, like white and black. We, who see the truth, we know that religion is only a tool in domination the crowds. By the Elite, to the Elite and their interests: Grow and remain in power.

I remind from this all over again: Bush family is direct bloodline from royals of England, like Clintons too. Your government work under the "foreign relations", Vatican, Royal Family, Zionist from Israel and FreeMasons. In their plans Hillary is the next president, The Queen of USA, like we see that start to happened in NH.

I'm sorry, but the way your post was written was not very clear and didn't make much sense, imo. I'm not sure if English is your second language, but if it is, then that would explain it. (I don't say that to be rude, i'm just saying the way your post was written was a bit jumbled and unclear)

I repeat, you are absolutely wrong. The global government, as predicted in the bible, is inherently ANTI-God and ANTI-Christian. The collectivists/globalists who want the NWO (the elites, bankers, corporatists, etc) are definitely NOT Christians, and some would even go as far as saying they are Luciferian. (which may sound nutty, but a more acceptable word would be evil)

You said, "All your candidates seems to show as good Christians." One thing you evidently don't realize is - just because a politician says that he's a Christian doesn't mean that he is. People in power are known for sometimes insincerely using religion as a way to get people to trust them. Jesus warned in the bible about 'wolves in sheep's clothing' and people who falsely speak in His name.

Another thing you don't seem to realize is, even churches can be unbiblical or unGodly. Simply because a church says they're Christian doesn't necessarily mean they truly are.

You might want to read the book, "Behold a Pale Horse" by William Cooper. Admitedly, some of the book is too "conspiracy theorish" and very hard to believe, but there is also some info in the book that is very interesting and informative. He talks about secret societies, who have had the goal of global government, for hundreds of years. Some of these secret societies take parts of Christianity and twist it, to deny the divinity of Christ. On the surface, they may appear to be benign, but they are basically subversive and satanic, anti-Christian. Those are the people who want the new world order, enemies of God.

[InLoveWithRon]

The Vatican was in bed with the evil Rothschilds.. The Vatican made hundreds of Billions of dollars being directly involved with world bankers.. Nevermind the slaying of millions by the catholics.

The Vatican. the inner city of London (which is governed by Rothschild), and Washington DC-- all 3 towns dont pay taxes and are their own states, not part of the country. And all 3 have an obelisk which is a sign of paganism.. The Washington monument is the one in DC and the vatican and inner city of London have the same obelisk.. These are the heads for the world bankers and people who control the world..

The pagan Washington monument is 666 inches across at the base and 6666 ft high.

Washington was also designed by free masons.. George Washington was a free mason and he commissioned a mason to design the street layout of Washington DC.. Thats why Washington's street layout is full of pagan symbols including the white house sitting at the bottom of an inverted pentagram, and ther hexagram version has the temple of the free masonic church at the top tip of the hexagram.. Including a statue of the pagan god Mars at the entrance of the capitol building in Washington. There is just so much to list concerning the evil pagan symbolism all over WAshington DC.. Tons of it.. Including a statue of Albert Pike in Washington who was one of masonry's most influential and evil teachers.. There's just so much masonic and evil/pagan symbolism in Washington DC to write in one post..

Washington DC is filled with pagan symbols full of evil.. As is US money if you look closely, there are pagan symbols all over the US dollar, and masonic messages.. "New Örder of the Ages"is also printed on the dollar's shield.. As well as the word "mason"whan making an inverted pentagram etc.. There's just Too much to list concerning this;. ..

[rpfreedom08]

Have you guys ever seen this?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4452153918748081072&q=ted+pike&total=98&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

I wanted to learn about zionism and found this to be very interesting. I'm not one that wants to get tangled up in anti-simetic stuff so I was a little leary about watching stuff on zionism in general but then when you start watching it, things really start falling into place. Anyways let me know what you guys think.

wouldn't this movie make sense from an American stand point? Look at those advising the foreign policy (neocons), they are mostly all zionists. Ron Paul talks about how they came from the democratic party (more socialistic then the republicans) it only makes sense that they started out in the democratic party and then infiltrated the republican side. I don't know but when I watched this movie it was like a revalation. I still don't hate jews or anything even after watching this, that's why I know it's not some anti-simetic crazy movie.

[breakranks]

Okay. So is it the New World Order, or is it Corporatism?
It is a cabal of Technique as described in Jacque Ellul's book called the Technological Society (http://www.amazon.com/Technological-Society-Jacques-Ellul/dp/0394703901/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200093606&sr=1-1).

"When a society becomes increasingly totalitarian...[it] requires its citizens to be conformist in the same degree. Thus, technique becomes all the more necessary. I have no doubt that it makes men better balanced and `happier.' And there is the danger. It makes men happy in a milieu which normally would have made them unhappy" (Ellul (http://www.usd.edu/~ssanto/ellul.html), p. 348)

[danberkeley]

Which one is it? Are the Bilderberg members meeting on behalf of the New World Order, or corporations? That is the argument my "republicanism was founded on expansionism" friend is proposing.

Who cares? The reason why the federal government is so powerful is because
the supreme court has ruled in favor of giving the federal governement more
power. If we had constitutional judges instead of activist judges, we wouldnt be
in this mess.

Go back and read the Articles of Confederation, the Decleration of Independance,
and the Constitution. The federal government is much more corrupt now than it
was 200 years ago because the federal government has that much more power
to be bribed for.

[Hardrock]

The Vatican was in bed with the evil Rothschilds.. The Vatican made hundreds of Billions of dollars being directly involved with world bankers.. Nevermind the slaying of millions by the catholics.

The Vatican. the inner city of London (which is governed by Rothschild), and Washington DC-- all 3 towns dont pay taxes and are their own states, not part of the country. And all 3 have an obelisk which is a sign of paganism.. The Washington monument is the one in DC and the vatican and inner city of London have the same obelisk.. These are the heads for the world bankers and people who control the world..

The pagan Washington monument is 666 inches across at the base and 6666 ft high.

Washington was also designed by free masons.. George Washington was a free mason and he commissioned a mason to design the street layout of Washington DC.. Thats why Washington's street layout is full of pagan symbols including the white house sitting at the bottom of an inverted pentagram, and ther hexagram version has the temple of the free masonic church at the top tip of the hexagram.. Including a statue of the pagan god Mars at the entrance of the capitol building in Washington. There is just so much to list concerning the evil pagan symbolism all over WAshington DC.. Tons of it.. Including a statue of Albert Pike in Washington who was one of masonry's most influential and evil teachers.. There's just so much masonic and evil/pagan symbolism in Washington DC to write in one post..

Washington DC is filled with pagan symbols full of evil.. As is US money if you look closely, there are pagan symbols all over the US dollar, and masonic messages.. "New Örder of the Ages"is also printed on the dollar's shield.. As well as the word "mason"whan making an inverted pentagram etc.. There's just Too
much to list concerning this;. ..


Probably WAY too late to re-educate the masses, unfortunately!

I researched this long ago. Not much here suprises me.

The sheep keep grazing at Hardees (star), shopping at Maceys (star),
or Wal(star)Mart.
There are entirely too many triangles in the world......

All I can tell you is...
"The most cleverly crafted deception, so closely resembles the truth."

Religion is a false construct designed to divide and conquer.
Religion, by extension, becomes political.
Since the begining of antiquity man has searched for G-d under every stone,
behind every door, and even killed in the name of their unfound G-d to no avail.

As far as divine Knowledge being 70% complete, just ask any scientist if the
laws of physics are "all there is".
Then ask the guy that runs his automobile on pure water,
or the man who pulls 3-4KW of DC current from thin air.............

Just don't ask someone that has entered an institute of higher learning,
only to graduate with a head full of someone else's ideas!;)


.

[InLoveWithRon]

Probably WAY too late to re-educate the masses, unfortunately!

I researched this long ago. Not much here suprises me.
.


The problem is there isn't "masses" of people who know about this.. I can go out there and come up to 100 strangers and one of them would have an idea.. And that would be on a very VERY lucky day to just find one person out of a hundred.. Over 99% of people out there are flat out brainwashed.

The good sane people of this board is one of a very small handful of people I can discuss the truth with.. And I find that sad. There should be masses protesting out there..

Truly though, I think the government will regulate the internet sooner rather than later.. I just feel it coming.. Because it's the only place that's not censored yet; and the only place the message is spreading is on the internet medium of communications..