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Runner234
01-10-2008, 10:12 PM
The "writer" of the racist newslettes writes "I bought my first copy of the men's fashion magazine GQ..."
http://www.tnr.com/downloads/March1990.pdf


But in a conversation written in an article by the New York Times from this summer, Paul has no idea what that magazine is.

"“GQ wants to profile you on Thursday,” Benton continues. “I think it’s worth doing.”

“GTU?” the candidate replies.

“GQ. It’s a men’s magazine.”

“Don’t know much about that,” Paul says. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22Paul-t.html

Hopefully my quick google search can clear up some misconceptions people have about Paul.

Cindy
01-10-2008, 10:14 PM
Good detective work!!!

Goldwater Conservative
01-10-2008, 10:15 PM
Great catch!

cicatrice
01-10-2008, 10:17 PM
Spread this!

Runner234
01-10-2008, 10:25 PM
Can other people spread this to the other Ron Paul websites? I don't really post much.

Austin
01-10-2008, 10:30 PM
Very nice. This is pretty substantial evidence.

Runner234
01-10-2008, 10:38 PM
There has to be more evidence if we look even closer.

gerryb
01-10-2008, 10:38 PM
Very nice. This is pretty substantial evidence.

it's not really substantial to someone looking at it objectively. They will just call him a liar or senile for saying that to NY Times...

DrNoZone
01-10-2008, 10:45 PM
That's great, for those who thought he actually wrote them. I, for one, am 99.9999% sure he didn't, but that doesn't go far enough. I want the campaign to find out who did (though, I think they already know) and then publicly announce this person/s will no longer be involved with the campaign (if they currently are).

Talcott
01-10-2008, 10:48 PM
Excellent bookmarked and loaded for other forums.

ThePieSwindler
01-10-2008, 10:59 PM
That's great, for those who thought he actually wrote them. I, for one, am 99.9999% sure he didn't, but that doesn't go far enough. I want the campaign to find out who did (though, I think they already know) and then publicly announce this person/s will no longer be involved with the campaign (if they currently are).

Ron Paul has said he does not know. Ron Paul is the main channel through which the campaign would receive this information. Ron Paul has proven time and again to be a man of his word. Although he might indeed by lying, i'm willing to give the man the benefit of the doubt. He wouldnt try to lie on something of this magnitude, i'll bet. I think you're being a bit absurd here with your demands and your assumptions.

Question_Authority
01-10-2008, 11:09 PM
Ron Paul has said he does not know. Ron Paul is the main channel through which the campaign would receive this information. Ron Paul has proven time and again to be a man of his word. Although he might indeed by lying, i'm willing to give the man the benefit of the doubt. He wouldnt try to lie on something of this magnitude, i'll bet. I think you're being a bit absurd here with your demands and your assumptions.


Well, YOU might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and YOU might believe that he is a man of his word, but MOST of the American public DOES NOT know this. He is barely known by most Americans.

So, THIS is a major issue and it will not go away. I think it will bring the campaign down. Quickly. I am very saddened about it. I convinced all of my family and most of my friends to vote for Ron Paul, and many times I said "he has no skeletons in his closet".

I am truly embarrassed about this.

Whether he wrote that stuff or not, he PUBLISHED it under HIS NAME.

stpaulrepublican
01-11-2008, 12:30 AM
"I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming."

One of the lines in the racist newsletters

"Ron Paul is deeply square, and every bit as deeply committed to your right not to be. “I don’t gamble, but I’m the gambler’s best friend,” he says, boasting of his support for online casinos. He is a Second Amendment absolutist who doesn’t own a gun. “I’ve only fired one a couple of times in my life. I’ve never gotten around to killing anything.”"

From Tucker's article

LinearChaos
01-11-2008, 12:35 AM
"I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming."

One of the lines in the racist newsletters

"Ron Paul is deeply square, and every bit as deeply committed to your right not to be. I dont gamble, but Im the gamblers best friend, he says, boasting of his support for online casinos. He is a Second Amendment absolutist who doesnt own a gun. Ive only fired one a couple of times in my life. Ive never gotten around to killing anything."

From Tucker's article

Here is a link (http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=83665295-1de6-4571-af9c-0a90f6d1fde0) to that story, on TNR no less, lol :D

Korey Kaczynski
01-11-2008, 12:36 AM
It's really obvious that whoever wrote it is a friend of Ron Paul and while Ron Paul also obviously doesn't agree or even approve of the sentiment (just as he doesn't agree with Buchanan on protectionism), he doesn't want to out one of his friends as a racist. Give it up.

Lord Xar
01-11-2008, 12:37 AM
send that to Larry Elder.. he plans on talking about the newsletter tomorrow on his show.

www.larryelder.com

Yom
01-11-2008, 12:47 AM
Fine, let's play their game and go through these things with a fine comb like has been done here so far, and show how it's completely against everything he has ever said, before and after, and how, in some instances, it cannot be him speaking.

cicatrice
01-11-2008, 12:49 AM
It's really obvious that whoever wrote it is a friend of Ron Paul and while Ron Paul also obviously doesn't agree or even approve of the sentiment (just as he doesn't agree with Buchanan on protectionism), he doesn't want to out one of his friends as a racist. Give it up.

You know, I think that's probably it. He's too nice.

LibertyOfOne
01-11-2008, 12:54 AM
The "writer" of the racist newslettes writes "I bought my first copy of the men's fashion magazine GQ..."
http://www.tnr.com/downloads/March1990.pdf


But in a conversation written in an article by the New York Times from this summer, Paul has no idea what that magazine is.

"GQ wants to profile you on Thursday, Benton continues. I think its worth doing.

GTU? the candidate replies.

GQ. Its a mens magazine.

Dont know much about that, Paul says. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22Paul-t.html

Hopefully my quick google search can clear up some misconceptions people have about Paul.

Link does not work :(

lasenorita
01-11-2008, 01:00 AM
Read this article:

Ron Paul Race Smear Erased?
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41822


Says one source, Ron Paul didnt know about those comments, or know they were written under his name until much later when they were brought to his attention. There were several issues that went out with comments that he would not ordinarily make. He was angry when he saw them.

LibertyOfOne
01-11-2008, 01:01 AM
Wow, he can't remember once claiming to have bought a GQ magazine over 17 years ago to launch into some liberal tirade in his newsletter? Well color me convinced :rolleyes:

He also claims he can't remember who worked on his newsletter that got published for a rather lengthy period of time. Maybe he's losing his memory or pulling a Nixon?

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9070/tnrinfoth8.png

Seems like some substantial information to go on, unless it's complete falsified

Go back to whatever god awful neo-con rat hole you emerged from.

jmunjr
01-11-2008, 01:30 AM
Ummm, Ron Paul never heard of GQ ???

N13
01-11-2008, 01:32 AM
Here's my proof: Ron said so.

That's good enough for me.

AlbemarleNC0003
01-11-2008, 01:34 AM
Well, YOU might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and YOU might believe that he is a man of his word, but MOST of the American public DOES NOT know this. He is barely known by most Americans.

So, THIS is a major issue and it will not go away. I think it will bring the campaign down. Quickly. I am very saddened about it. I convinced all of my family and most of my friends to vote for Ron Paul, and many times I said "he has no skeletons in his closet".

I am truly embarrassed about this.

Whether he wrote that stuff or not, he PUBLISHED it under HIS NAME.

The only way to make this issue go away is to get involved on the local level. Education.

user
01-11-2008, 01:40 AM
It's really obvious that whoever wrote it is a friend of Ron Paul and while Ron Paul also obviously doesn't agree or even approve of the sentiment (just as he doesn't agree with Buchanan on protectionism), he doesn't want to out one of his friends as a racist. Give it up.
That's what I thought before the CNN interview. I think RP said he didn't know who wrote the letters, and I don't think I've heard him lie before. Unless he knows a few people who were writing them, and he doesn't know who wrote what.

Joe3113
01-11-2008, 01:48 AM
From what I've read of the newsletters so far, I don't necessarily disagree with the statements. I mean, african americans ARE generally more athletic than anglo folks. How is that insulting? Why do you think the NBA is 90% african american? Why are most 100m sprinters of african descent? And why is it not plausible that riots would stop on welfare check day? I've read somewhere that afrcian-americans are more likely to be on welfare. Probably because the law is so unfair to them. I'm not saying that Ron Paul wrote it, I'm just saying its not racism, because true racism is collectivism based purely on superficial characteristics.

parocks
01-11-2008, 01:54 AM
Wow, he can't remember once claiming to have bought a GQ magazine over 17 years ago to launch into some liberal tirade in his newsletter? Well color me convinced :rolleyes:

He also claims he can't remember who worked on his newsletter that got published for a rather lengthy period of time. Maybe he's losing his memory or pulling a Nixon?

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9070/tnrinfoth8.png

Seems like some substantial information to go on, unless it's complete falsified


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chrismatthews
01-11-2008, 02:03 AM
yeah, Paul is so racist he plans on pardoning 183,000 black and Latino prisoners when he takes office.


http://www.thecitizensperspective.com/content/ron-paul-would-free-most-black-men-lincoln

pdavis
01-11-2008, 02:11 AM
From what I've read of the newsletters so far, I don't necessarily disagree with the statements. I mean, african americans ARE generally more athletic than anglo folks. How is that insulting? Why do you think the NBA is 90% african american? Why are most 100m sprinters of african descent? And why is it not plausible that riots would stop on welfare check day? I've read somewhere that afrcian-americans are more likely to be on welfare. Probably because the law is so unfair to them. I'm not saying that Ron Paul wrote it, I'm just saying its not racism, because true racism is collectivism based purely on superficial characteristics.



I'm not saying that Ron Paul wrote it, I'm just saying its not racism, because true racism is collectivism based purely on superficial characteristics.

Are you trying to imply what you just stated was not a collectivist statement?

Joe3113
01-11-2008, 03:02 AM
Are you trying to imply what you just stated was not a collectivist statement?

I'm saying collectivism/racism are condemned, so their definition should not include objective statistical information. Facts are facts. There ARE genetic differences between the races. But the individual itself is 1000x more important. I've always thought peoples behavior is much more dependent on their environment than their genetics.

Sands2
01-11-2008, 03:07 AM
It's really obvious that whoever wrote it is a friend of Ron Paul and while Ron Paul also obviously doesn't agree or even approve of the sentiment (just as he doesn't agree with Buchanan on protectionism), he doesn't want to out one of his friends as a racist. Give it up.

Good point!

RonPaulFTFW
01-11-2008, 12:52 PM
I remember him saying that haha.

Ernest
01-11-2008, 12:57 PM
Are you trying to imply what you just stated was not a collectivist statement?

It may well have been but as long as we as a country pretend that collectivism is good for "people of color" but not for white Americans the whole point is moot.

RPinSEAZ
01-11-2008, 01:05 PM
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9070/tnrinfoth8.png

I have a current phone number for a member of the forum that would like to respectfully ask the subscription manager (listed above) if they have any info to help us out.

RPinSEAZ
01-11-2008, 01:12 PM
It looks like she is the campaign's official Texas Field Coordinator.

Jean McIver
jean@ronpaul2008.com
Texas Field Coordinator

rollingpig
01-11-2008, 01:14 PM
way to go man!!!

GTU? :D

literatim
01-11-2008, 01:46 PM
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Jean McIver is a staff member of Ron's campaign right now. Maybe someone should go talk to that person, maybe they're having less Nixon moments.

Um yeah. I don't think the person that handles subscriptions has anything to do with the content.

Itzsoez
01-11-2008, 01:55 PM
chrismatthews

Ron Paul plans to pardon ALL non-violent drug use convictions!

not just minorities.

I wonder if he'll do the same for tax evasion?

Drknows
01-11-2008, 01:55 PM
This guy puts it into perspective.

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvA8lLZCX4A

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTU4IKqMZdg

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3z8nVaMkuw



You should watch his other videos. good stuff!

JMann
01-11-2008, 01:58 PM
Ummm, Ron Paul never heard of GQ ???

Nor had he watched Leno prior to his first appearance.

Drknows
01-11-2008, 02:00 PM
Nor had he watched Leno prior to his first appearance.

Ron Paul didnt even know who Tom Cruise or Mel Gibson was.

familydog
01-11-2008, 02:32 PM
He says things like "automatic selector" instead of remote control (for TV). He spends too much time thinking and "philosophizing" to worry about pop culture. It's not hard to believe he never heard of GQ. I couldn't tell you what GQ was until reading that NYT piece.

spiteface
01-11-2008, 02:47 PM
I think not coming clean on this was a mistake. I don't think it's that difficult to have a pretty good idea of who wrote these, and I do not believe the campaign when they say they don't know (which is troubling). Gee, who are the two or three people who have worked with Dr. Paul over the past 30 or so years. So what if they are still involved. I haven't read all of this stuff very closely, but from what I've heard there isn't anything more horrific in these newsletters than what was said by other candidates in the debate last night.

Quick
01-11-2008, 03:00 PM
He says things like "automatic selector" instead of remote control (for TV). He spends too much time thinking and "philosophizing" to worry about pop culture. It's not hard to believe he never heard of GQ. I couldn't tell you what GQ was until reading that NYT piece.

You're exactly right. There have many times in various interviews where something in pop-culture is referenced and Paul had no idea what they are talking about.

I have no doubts that Paul had no idea what GQ is.

voytechs
01-11-2008, 04:24 PM
From this day forth, we shall call you the "Great detective runner234"

Quick
01-11-2008, 04:46 PM
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8137/drpaulatnursinghomewk9ki9.jpg

A picture I ran across.. look how racist he is. :rolleyes:

cicatrice
01-11-2008, 05:00 PM
A picture I ran across.. look how racist he is. :rolleyes:
I find him quite handsome there! *sorry, off topic but I had to say it*

SeanEdwards
01-11-2008, 05:09 PM
It's really obvious that whoever wrote it is a friend of Ron Paul and while Ron Paul also obviously doesn't agree or even approve of the sentiment (just as he doesn't agree with Buchanan on protectionism), he doesn't want to out one of his friends as a racist. Give it up.

I find that extremely inadequate. Out of concern of not "outing" an associate as a racist, Paul is willing to accept the racist label for himself? A label that seriously damages his chances of being elected?

The author of those writings needs to step forward, accept responsibility, and absolve Paul of involvement.