Why Women don't like Ron Paul?????

[quantized]

We are losing big time with all these women voting for Huck/Mccain/Romney. What the hell these women thinking? Look at all the CNN exit polls. Ron only gets few percent of the women votes!! This is outrageous! All people here mostly guys?! Are meetup group people mainly guys?! Our men have no girlfriends/spouse/mistress?? Start talking to girls! Make them fall in love in Ron Paul by telling them the message of liberty! If that does not work, make them fall in love with Ron by falling in love with you. There are millions of desperate housewives, young girls, hillary girls waiting to hear our message of liberty!!

[Grandson of Liberty]

There are millions of desperate housewives, young girls, hillary girls waiting to hear our message of liberty!!

Haha- gigolos for Ron Paul! :D

[quantized]

We Need Women Votes!!!! Else We Will Continue To Lose To Huck/romney/mccain

[PimpBlimp]

Ron Paul doesn't like to speak in emotions. The womens can't understand him.

[fj45lvr]

Many women may fall for socialism or the politics of "fear" both are related to security issues.

[atilla]

Ron Paul doesn't like to speak in emotions. The womens can't understand him.

he needs to use more emoticons ;):D:o:):(:confused::mad::p:cool::eek:

[slamhead]

Is it the abortion issue? If so, it needs to be explained to women that although Ron Paul is against Roe vs. Wade he is also against an amendment to the constitution outlawing it. Need to explain that it is a state issue so for me here in California, a liberal state, the chances of it being illegal are non.

[Laja]

Ron Paul doesn't like to speak in emotions. The womens can't understand him.

You guys are such losers. Gimme a break. There are plenty of women for Ron Paul, including myself. We think differently than you, obviously (and thank God!). Instead of all this pointless conjecture, why not quiz the women you know asking them what they're concerns are regarding the direction this country is taking. Really listen and take it in. You'll begin to understand where they're at.

If they seem to be concerned about the same things we're concerned about, then that might be a good time to share information on Ron Paul. You can't make them like Ron Paul, but you can show your enthusiasm and address concerns they may have about his positions (such as abortion and doing away with the dept of education, etc.)

[quantized]

You guys are such losers. Gimme a break. There are plenty of women for Ron Paul, including myself. We think differently than you, obviously (and thank God!). Instead of all this pointless conjecture, why not quiz the women you know asking them what they're concerns are regarding the direction this country is taking. Really listen and take it in. You'll begin to understand where they're at.

If they seem to be concerned about the same things we're concerned about, then that might be a good time to share information on Ron Paul. You can't make them like Ron Paul, but you can show your enthusiasm and address concerns they may have about his positions (such as abortion and doing away with the dept of education, etc.)

We are not attracting the Older Women demographics. Look at the CNN exit poll. Ron Paul poll the least. Romney got the most. We are losing big time.

One question. Do you have many female friends supporting Ron Paul and ready to vote for him? Help us understand a bit more...

[Laja]

We are not attracting the Older Women demographics. Look at the CNN exit poll. Ron Paul poll the least. Romney got the most. We are losing big time.

One question. Do you have many female friends supporting Ron Paul and ready to vote for him? Help us understand a bit more...

Actually, quantized, I don't. It's been an amazing experience because I've just sort of "fallen away" from my closest friends. Not that I don't like them anymore, but because while I'm deep into the Ron Paul Revolution, I really don't have anything in common with them.

I want to hang out with other people who are Ron Paul freaks, like my husband and my son. There are women I know who are involved, but I've only met them through meetup groups.

My age group of women friends are all Democrats (which I used to be, as well). One friend is an attorney who likes Ron Paul, but can't abide AT ALL on his deregulation positions. She's a water rights attorney and doesn't see how deregulating would prevent the corporations from destroying the environment even worse.

The others are turned off by his stance on abortion. There's nothing we can do about that if they let it stand in the way of the bigger picture of where we're going in this country.

You are totally right, that this revolution is comprised of more males than females. Females are warm and fuzzy social creatures. Our beloved Ron Paul appeals more to the masculine in his direct, no-nonsense, "bitter" pill of truth. I may be way off base with this last comment, so I'd be anxious to hear how other women feel and respond.

[Heather in WI]

You guys are such losers. Gimme a break. There are plenty of women for Ron Paul, including myself. We think differently than you, obviously (and thank God!). Instead of all this pointless conjecture, why not quiz the women you know asking them what they're concerns are regarding the direction this country is taking. Really listen and take it in. You'll begin to understand where they're at.


+1

Oh, and I'm pro-life. Most of the women I know are pro-life. Don't assume all women are pro-choice.

[PAULinSC]

I would say at this point in our nations history, most women care more about feeling secure at the expense of personal freedoms and privacy. The womens rights movements have gone and passed.

[Laja]

Security is an important issue for women, especially those with children. When you have kids, you want to feel like you can protect them.

Many women may buy into the fear card that's used liberally by this govt and the old media. Vulnerability can be a scary thing.

[quantized]

Actually, quantized, I don't. It's been an amazing experience because I've just sort of "fallen away" from my closest friends. Not that I don't like them anymore, but because while I'm deep into the Ron Paul Revolution, I really don't have anything in common with them.

I want to hang out with other people who are Ron Paul freaks, like my husband and my son. There are women I know who are involved, but I've only met them through meetup groups.

My age group of women friends are all Democrats (which I used to be, as well). One friend is an attorney who likes Ron Paul, but can't abide AT ALL on his deregulation positions. She's a water rights attorney and doesn't see how deregulating would prevent the corporations from destroying the environment even worse.

The others are turned off by his stance on abortion. There's nothing we can do about that if they let it stand in the way of the bigger picture of where we're going in this country.

You are totally right, that this revolution is comprised of more males than females. Females are warm and fuzzy social creatures. Our beloved Ron Paul appeals more to the masculine in his direct, no-nonsense, "bitter" pill of truth. I may be way off base with this last comment, so I'd be anxious to hear how other women feel and respond.

Thank you.

i think the reason is more of Ron Paul is selling himself short to the women demographics, than he being an unattractive candidate to the women. As i said, according to CNN exit poll, Ron garnered the least percentage of women votes while Romney got the most. Similarly, he also got the least from older voters. What this translate to is we are losing on the largest bloc of voters i.e. The older women demographics. If we continue down this road, the prospect of winning the nomination is grim..

detailed 2004 election demographics:
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/voting/cps2004.html

[Aron98831@msn.com]

a lot of women in this country seem to have become more George Bush Republicans. Yes there are lots of women pulling for Obama and Clition, lots of women tend to be liberal, but there has been a move away for that. Some how we need to convince women to remeber what they had to get freedom in this country and that they are throwing that away by going with huck, mitt, whoever. Also somehow we need to incorporate somehow the womens movement from the early 1900's in to the campaign. When we talk about our founding fathers, they had a lot of things right, but because of the time, they left out everyone that was not a white land owning male. So when we campaign based on the founders, we are getting a lot of white males to the campaign. We need to get out the message that the campaign is for everyone, we want freedom for all, we are fighting for every man and woman in this country, we are fighting to make this country better for all. We need to make sure that woman know about post 9-11 power grab by our government. Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power. The government is throwing out our liberty to get more power for themselves.

[nbhadja]

You guys are such losers. Gimme a break. There are plenty of women for Ron Paul, including myself. We think differently than you, obviously (and thank God!). Instead of all this pointless conjecture, why not quiz the women you know asking them what they're concerns are regarding the direction this country is taking. Really listen and take it in. You'll begin to understand where they're at.

If they seem to be concerned about the same things we're concerned about, then that might be a good time to share information on Ron Paul. You can't make them like Ron Paul, but you can show your enthusiasm and address concerns they may have about his positions (such as abortion and doing away with the dept of education, etc.)

Actually its bad that women think different. If they thought similar in politics, they would vote more for RP. RP finished 3rd with the guys in NH, bu t 5th with the women.

[Grandson of Liberty]

We are not attracting the Older Women demographics. Look at the CNN exit poll.


They are just bitter Ron Paul did not marry them. :p

[jstmike]

Just share with them the affects of Depleted Uranium is having around the world. Tell them to google Depleted Uranium and then click Images. This will change their minds. I just learned about it last week:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=75661

Even Bin Laden mentions it in his speech:

http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=22235


What does the destruction of the infrastructure in Iraq mean and the tragedy that befell them mean? And the use of depleted uranium, besieging Iraq for years, causing the death of more than one million children which amazed all who had visited Iraq, including the Westerners themselves? It is a malicious crusade against Muslims.

[Fyretrohl]

Not to be down...But, why do women think that Ron Paul wants to take away their choice. What he wants to do is to make sure the Federal Government can not take away their choice. I believe every other Pub candidate wants to overturn Roe v Wade and handle the issue differently. Course, they may just see that that is polispeak and ignore it. :)

[Enzo]

All the women in my family (mother and 2 sisters) support Ron Paul.. Though there are disagreements with some policies. (abortion for example)

[Cindy]

It would help him TREMENDOUSLY, if Carol were always at his side and speaking more herself, as well as having more family around him all of the time.

To often when Carol is around, she is walking or standing behind him and rarely speaks.

Like my sister was telling me last night, in the debates which is where most Americans get a taste of Paul, he comes across harsh. He needs to soften his rough edges everywhere he can to appeal to more women.

That means smiling more too.

His followers know the teddy bear side of him, most Americans see him as being rough around the edges and though guys will appeal to that, women in general won't.

I love it when Paul gets irate and lays into them on the stage. I get exicited when he is HARSH with Bernake. I laughed my ass of when Paul supporters went after Hannity in the streets.

I'm also not your typical american female.

That is scary to a lot of females and it makes them uncomfortable. They want to see him smiling and playing mister charm the pants off of everyone.

Sub consciously, women like men who are well liked and respected by their peers.

When Paul comes across like he doesn't give a shit about charming his peers, he is working against darwinism when it comes to female voters in general.

[shasshas]

cos hes small and nerdy and isn't fightin g to win. he is just fighting to make a fuss.

[klamath]

Every woman you know that isn't voting for RP, ask THEM why? In order to direct this campaign winning versus losing road we have to have this intel. We have to hear it from the non RP voters. Is it a misconception or is it a non belief in the ideals of small government and freedom.

[JaredR26]

We are losing big time with all these women voting for Huck/Mccain/Romney. What the hell these women thinking? Look at all the CNN exit polls. Ron only gets few percent of the women votes!! This is outrageous! All people here mostly guys?! Are meetup group people mainly guys?! Our men have no girlfriends/spouse/mistress?? Start talking to girls! Make them fall in love in Ron Paul by telling them the message of liberty! If that does not work, make them fall in love with Ron by falling in love with you. There are millions of desperate housewives, young girls, hillary girls waiting to hear our message of liberty!!

This is a big problem.

I told my Psychology professor(a brilliant man) about Ron Paul few months back, when I first found out about him.

After hearing a lot about his platform/principles, he said, without knowing anything else about him, that Ron Paul would appeal extremely well to young white males. (with emphasis on males.)

Why exactly I don't/didn't understand. I think it is the "people will take care of themselves" mentality to a degree, as opposed to the nanny state philosophy. The lack of freebies for the downtrodden(paid for by those who work hard/smart).

In that way, we will have a hard time attracting many demographics- They want the freebies- why wouldn't they? The freebies are paid for by the rich(mostly white males).

[cicatrice]

http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~baumeistertice/goodaboutmen.htm

The above link is a fascinating read. It accounts for the strengths/weaknesses of predominantly-female qualities and predominantly-male qualities in both the public and private sphere of life. Here's a small preview of what it discusses:


Fairness is another example. Research by Major and others back in the 1970s used procedures like this. A group of subjects would perform a task, and the experimenter would then say that the group had earned a certain amount of money, and it was up to one member to divide it up however he or she wanted. The person could keep all the money, but that wasn’t usually what happened. Women would divide the money equally, with an equal share for everybody. Men, in contrast, would divide it unequally, giving the biggest share of reward to whoever had done the most work.

Which is better? Neither. Both equality and equity are valid versions of fairness. But they show the different social sphere orientation. Equality is better for close relationships, when people take care of each other and reciprocate things and divide resources and opportunities equally. In contrast, equity — giving bigger rewards for bigger contributions — is more effective in large groups. I haven’t actually checked, but I’m willing to bet that if you surveyed the Fortune 500 large and successful corporations in America, you wouldn’t find a single one out of 500 that pays every employee the same salary. The more valuable workers who contribute more generally get paid more. It simply is a more effective system in large groups. The male pattern is suited for the large groups, the female pattern is best suited to intimate pairs.

*is female, btw*

[JaredR26]

http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~baumeistertice/goodaboutmen.htm

The above link is a fascinating read. It accounts for the strengths/weaknesses of predominantly-female qualities and predominantly-male qualities in both the public and private sphere of life. Here's a small preview of what it discusses:



*is female, btw*

Do you think that is the primary reason Ron Paul appeals to men far more than women? Does the quietness of Carol contribute, or is it something else?

[SleepingNative]

Just like his personal views on the environment or gay-marriage, his personal views with regards to abortion remain exactly that: his personal views. Dr. Paul is an honest man and so does not pretend to hold views (nor refrain from holding them) in discord with his own personal feelings on the matter. This is what differentiates him from the rest. This is a GOOD thing.

Personal views are not what he is putting on the table, politically, however. What he IS putting on the table, politically, is our Constitution, a return to local governance, and transparent representation; the lawful implementation of which secures for us all a government of the people, for the people, by the people.

An active and involved community is a healthy community. The participation and expression of all must remain welcome, and local choice is what gives us ALL a choice.

[davidkachel]

I know I will take heat for this, but the answer to the question is simple: women largely do not want the risk and responsibility that comes with freedom. They want to be protected and "taken care of" and will vote their freedom away in a heartbeat. They also want to take care of others, hence the nanny state, prohibition and a lot of other freedom-destroying crap.

Sadly I am beginning to wonder if mankind was ever meant to be free. Considering how readily he/she votes it away, I genuinely have concerns. Yesterday we saw thousands cheering for Hitler and Mussolini (Hillary and McCain). How CAN they be so blind and stupid? It is deeply depressing.

[JaredR26]

I know I will take heat for this, but the answer to the question is simple: MOST women largely do not want the risk and responsibility that comes with freedom. They want to be protected and "taken care of" and will vote their freedom away in a heartbeat. They also want to take care of others, hence the nanny state, prohibition and a lot of other freedom-destroying crap.


Corrected.

[manny]

Not to be down...But, why do women think that Ron Paul wants to take away their choice. What he wants to do is to make sure the Federal Government can not take away their choice. I believe every other Pub candidate wants to overturn Roe v Wade and handle the issue differently. Course, they may just see that that is polispeak and ignore it. :)


Good point.

Also how about taking the angle of standing up for mothers?

That is for those mothers who have children in the armed forces. Or in jail for non-violent drug offences. Or those hoping to have children in the future and wouldn't want them to be fighting John McCain's 100year crusad.... oops I mean 100 yr war.

Surely that would be a pretty big percentage of women voters?

Maybe Ron could speak to some groups for women with this angle?

[cicatrice]

Do you think that is the primary reason Ron Paul appeals to men far more than women? Does the quietness of Carol contribute, or is it something else?

I think that is a huge factor--the inherent nature of most women boils down to being the caregivers hence they would gladly sacrifice a sense of freedom to ensure that others are taken care of (as many others have already said). And Carol speaking would greatly help--just so we can get a firsthand account of interactions with Dr. Paul from a woman's perspective.

That aside, as a daughter, I told my mother about Dr. Paul and exposed her to the various YouTube videos. I even constrasted it with Huckabee and so forth. My mom is really skeptical and saw right through Huckabee and the others. Some of us aren't easily swayed by fancy talk, good looks, charm, and so forth. Some of us prefer logic and consistency. Plus, Dr. Paul is such a gentleman. I vocalize these praises often to my boyfriend and he asks if I'm trying to hint something. *lol*

[dkim68]

What I've heard some women say in regards to their decision-making on candidates:

WOMAN A: "I'm voting for Mitt. He's the cutest."
WOMAN B: "Let's see... who do I want to look at for the next four years? Mm...Obama."
WOMAN C: "I'm voting for Hilary cuz she's a woman."
WOMAN D: "Is that McCain's wife? Oh my god, she's gorgeous."
WOMAN E: "Who's Ron Paul? Eww... he's old." <-Just heard this yesterday
WOMAN F: "I like John Edwards. He reminds me of Tom Cruise."

What the hell do they think they're voting for? This isn't American Idol! :rolleyes: It's our futures.

[cicatrice]

=
WOMAN E: "Who's Ron Paul? Eww... he's old." <-Just heard this yesterday


I think RP is adorable! And not to mention, looking at photos from years ago, he was attractive in my opinion.

[JaredR26]

I think RP is adorable! And not to mention, looking at photos from years ago, he was attractive in my opinion.

Haha. Ron Paul is many things, but attractive is not one of them. Compared to his 'competition', Ron Paul is not an attractive man. He looks stupid/kooky in at least half the pictures of him, particularly the main picture they use on Politico!

[cicatrice]

Haha. Ron Paul is many things, but attractive is not one of them. Compared to his 'competition', Ron Paul is not an attractive man. He looks stupid/kooky in at least half the pictures of him, particularly the main picture they use on Politico!

Well, I agree that he's not attractive now at the age of 72. But hey, those stupid/kooky pictures are really endearing! *yeah, is a fangirl*

[roversaurus]

I still go with my initial analysis.
On a "Bell Curve" men are less likely to care (or even notice) if they do something
which is frowned upon by their "betters".

Look at the support from Atheists. Paul got a lot of it. Atheist
are much less concerned with social approval - i.e. they are anti-social.

We need to make it social acceptable to support Ron Paul.

I'm not certain that is possible. Social "leaders" are strongly opposed to him.

[moostraks]

Haha. Ron Paul is many things, but attractive is not one of them. Compared to his 'competition', Ron Paul is not an attractive man. He looks stupid/kooky in at least half the pictures of him, particularly the main picture they use on Politico!

Unfair assessment I think...imho. I think he is adorable, in a grandfatherly way. He is gentle, but does not back down when all others seem against him. I also love the behind the campaign videos where you see Carol Paul on his arm.He is a true gentleman...Real men solve their problems with diplomacy and tact not through vulgar humour and derogotory personnal attacks, and especially not through violence.

I am of an opinion that many Christian women think we are fighting a Christian crusade against the evil satanic middle east and are just as sickeningly raising their children up for sacrifice as muslim extremists are said to be against conflicting religions. Why it does not become of major necessity to reevaluate our foreign policy stance for a more diplomatic solution is beyond me.

Matthew 5:39
"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but (A)whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

Whatever happened to this policy?? We have become a nation of self-serving brats and many Christians have been brainwashed to think they are doing G*d's work when they take other human lives for "their"cause. No wonder Atheists think we are hypocrits. Done grousing...better go write some more letters!!!!

[mconder]

Ron Paul doesn't like to speak in emotions. The womens can't understand him.

Notice the country didn't start going down hill until women could vote and hold office. (Joking by the way)

[quantized]

a night bump

[fourameuphoria]

Who could resist Mitt's charms?! The man is stunning!!

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Mitt has got the sideburns. Nobody else has a chance!

[Matt Collins]

YouTube - Where Are the Female Libertarians? Allison Gibbs on the Ladies of Liberty Alliance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IgOZGrWbbM)

[MelissaWV]

Thank goodness this old sexist thing was revived....

[Matt Collins]

I was simply adding a topical and informative video to the thread. Have you watched the video?

[MelissaWV]

I was simply adding a topical and informative video to the thread. Have you watched the video?

Not yet. When I do, though, I will make sure to pick one of the two dozen threads you posted the same exact thing in, and give it a look-see :)

[amy31416]

Not yet. When I do, though, I will make sure to pick one of the two dozen threads you posted the same exact thing in, and give it a look-see :)

+ rep :)

[low preference guy]

Not yet. When I do, though, I will make sure to pick one of the two dozen threads you posted the same exact thing in, and give it a look-see :)

don't forget to post your reactions in all of them!

[Tinnuhana]

Question: If women didn't feel attracted to logical (stereotypical) men, wouldn't that part of the gene pool disappear? Maybe we should put a YT up of all those RP hug moments. Also, about politician baby-kissing: could we play it for humor..."No, I've spanked a whole lot more babies than I've kissed...other than my own." (Ref to OB/GYN)
I think a lot of the republican women have bought into the propaganda that "Ron Paul 'hates' the military". The woman tea party type who said this started thinking after I told her that Ron had served in the AF and had introduced a bill to declare war on Iraq (and that nobody would vote Yes) because it was a constitution mandate for congress to declare war. She got that.
There is so much disinformation out there about Ron Paul. His interview on "The View" up on YT shows that at least those women felt he was someone with whom they could hold an intellectual conversation, even if not agreeing.
Maybe we have to work harder to get the ideas out of the advantages of freedom and smaller government. Then when they hear Ron Paul or any other liberty candidate speak, they'll think, "Yes, I've heard this before and I agree." In other words, the same way many of us became supporters.
I think the most important thing we can be doing in the next couple of months till Ron announces one way or the other, is to get the ideas out there, especially about the Fed hijinks, so everyone will be watching C-Span for Ron's subcommittee meetings. Then they'll be much more likely to "find" Ron Paul.

[CaliforniaMom]

Well, the way I found out about Ron Paul was during the primaries when he was running for president. There were so many candidates I just didn't know which one was for me. So I found an online test and filled in all my political beliefs. The perfect match was Ron Paul (whom I had never heard of before). I never imagined there was a politician that shared the EXACT same ideas as me (non-interventionist foreign policy, pro-life, deregulation, freedom and the constitution, little or no taxes, bringing our troops home, less government interference, etc...)
I was just amazed when I discovered Ron Paul. I had never heard of him before that online test.
My favorite thing about him though is his fearless honesty. He speaks the truth no matter what, and stands up against tyranny. There's something heroic about him, really.