View Full Version : How do I combat the horse race mentality?
Bilgefisher
01-09-2008, 12:42 AM
I am finding most people agree with Ron Paul philosophies but are unwilling to vote for him. They just don't think he can win and they want to elect someone who can beat the democrats. How do I counter this argument? Please give me some good ammo to put this argument to rest when someone brings it up.
Grandson of Liberty
01-09-2008, 12:44 AM
George W. Bush beat Kerry. How'd that work out for them?
Edited to add: Until the nation is willing to vote for the best candidate, regardless of "electability"- and let the chips fall where they may- it's only going to be more of the same. Presidential and Congressional approval is at an all-time low, yet people keep voting the establishment. Insanity. The two parties have their bases so afraid of the other side, that they fall into the trap of merely wanting to keep the other guy out, rather than try to get the best guy in.
EvilEngineer
01-09-2008, 12:44 AM
Horse sized tranquilizers for them... if they want to vote for someone else make sure they are so numb they can't go out and vote.
Naraku
01-09-2008, 01:01 AM
This is indeed the problem:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=83190
People need to realize voting for someone based on their electability makes no sense. It's circular logic. Don't people realize if you just choose to vote for that person you've already made them more electable?
Highstreet
01-09-2008, 01:05 AM
I am finding most people agree with Ron Paul philosophies but are unwilling to vote for him. They just don't think he can win and they want to elect someone who can beat the democrats. How do I counter this argument? Please give me some good ammo to put this argument to rest when someone brings it up.
Tell them this:
The Only Reason He "Can't" Win is because You Don't Vote for Him!!
Chabsfromcanada
01-09-2008, 01:12 AM
A vote should represent the person who cast it. If your vote is for someone you do not truely believe in, it was wasted, and worked against you.
tell them Bush has an all time low approval rating and that all the other republican candidate's are running on his failed platform. It's no wonder the democratic turnout is so much higher than the republican turnout. You think a pro war candidate is going to be able to win the general election when most of the country wants us to come home? The base IS dwindling.
coboman
01-09-2008, 01:16 AM
The problem is that he is only one of many choices, so it comes down to who has the best chances to make the change you want.
I think that a major blow to Ron Paul in NH, was the first place of Obama in Iowa.
This got many independents, and young people to use their vote for a guy that has a chance of beating the establishment.
What they don't realize is that Obama himself is part of the establishment.
But this is something you can't change. People will always cooperate with the side that has the biggest chances at succeeding against what they fear the most.
Right now what people fear the most (in my opinion) is another Bush.
mavtek
01-09-2008, 01:17 AM
Lie to them, that's what I do, tell them it's all about the state and local. I mean I've already got 145 people signed up to vote for Dr. Paul!
And we've got 100's of people all around doing the same thing. I mean hell we've got 30,000 votes with almost no media attention!
IChooseLiberty
01-09-2008, 01:19 AM
Nothing is more dangerous than an uneducated vote.
Tell them they are doing their country a favor by not voting with that mentality.
Naraku
01-09-2008, 01:53 AM
Nothing is more dangerous than an uneducated vote.
I think airborne AIDS comes close.
Bilgefisher
01-09-2008, 11:27 AM
The Only Reason He "Can't" Win is because You Don't Vote for Him!! This seems to be pretty good advice. Thanks for the input everyone.
hopeforamerica
01-09-2008, 11:33 AM
See this thread. It has an EXCELLENT write up:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=83633
derdy
01-09-2008, 11:34 AM
Ask them how they got the perception that he can't win.
From what I gather, people perceive he can't win because the media repeatedly says he can't 24x7 and before he raised any money they barely talked about him.
The electability perception is sculpted by the media and, therefore, anyone who casts their ballot based upon that is being manipulated.
Goldwater Conservative
01-09-2008, 11:57 AM
There was a cartoon I saw somewhere (probably around here) where there was a huge crowd of people all saying "what difference can I make?"
Anyway, mathematically, voting for someone who's more likely to win means your vote is worth less and less likely to make a difference. 1 of McCain's 50,000 votes vs. 1 of Paul's 10,000 votes in NH, for example.
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