What country should I move to?

[kushaze]

Alright I am not giving up on the campaign, but I am seriously thinking of moving to another country. Maybe a 3rd world country (maybe one of those hasn't been completely corrupted yet). I don't know. If America, or at least New Hampshire (the Live Free or Die state), is stupid enought to elect Hillary Clinton and John McCain maybe its time to get out. I was actually considering moving out of the country before Ron Paul came along, but that has been temporarily suspended at this moment.

I don't know if we can save the mindless zombies of this country anymore. I am really thinking about leaving. Does anyone have any suggestions to what country would be best to move to? And does anyone have any information and how easy it is to move there? (After doing research I have found out that its almost impossible to permanently immigrate to many countries legally). All information would be a great help.

[GoApe4RonPaul2008]

You Should not move anywhere. We have had 3 primary's 3! Stop this non-sense! Lets spread the message of freedom! That is the most important thing right now.. regardless if Ron Paul wins or not. The more people who know what freedom really is.. The better off we are.

[kushaze]

You Should not move anywhere. We have had 3 primary's 3! Stop this non-sense! Lets spread the message of freedom! That is the most important thing right now.. regardless if Ron Paul wins or not. The more people who know what freedom really is.. The better off we are.

You didn't answer my question and I am not giving up yet. I have a right to voice my opinion and my opinion is that most of the people that live in this country are mindless zombies. I am just looking at a plan B. It doesn't have to be your plan B.

[Registered]

Not anywhere in North America. Think small european country.

[kushaze]

Not anywhere in North America. Think small european country.

Switzerland seemed descent until I found out that they were taking away everyones guns. Its also very hard to move to Switzerland. Any specific country in Europe that you know about?

[1000-points-of-fright]

You didn't answer my question and I am not giving up yet. I have a right to voice my opinion and my opinion is that most of the people that live in this country are mindless zombies. I am just looking at a plan B. It doesn't have to be your plan B.

Hate to break it to ya bub, but most people in any country are mindless zombies.

[GoApe4RonPaul2008]

You didn't answer my question and I am not giving up yet. I have a right to voice my opinion and my opinion is that most of the people that live in this country are mindless zombies. I am just looking at a plan B. It doesn't have to be your plan B.

Tell me... if you run. Where will you go that the nwo wont control? This country is the leader in freedom sadly (in the world). If we don't do something to awaken as many as possible to this freedom.... There will be no place on earth to hide. The armies of the nwo will conquer all who oppose it.

The plan B I have is to be free. Though it may take... a lot of work. It is unfortunate that the united states got so powerful.... but now this country will decide the fate of the world. But yes you do have a right to decide weather or not to leave or stay. If you leave.. it will come back to you one day. Ultimately it is your choice. Good luck to you.

Let us Hope Ron Paul Wins.

Maybe Switzerland or a Norwegian country.. I hear they are nice.

"Lost time is never found again." - Benjamin Franklin

[Matt Collins]

The US is still the most free land in the world. Amazing considering how badly our liberties are being trampled upon. Most everywhere else is some flavor of socialism.

[Give me liberty]

I love italy.

[JonH]

You should Move to the United Stated of America. In order for the revolution to succeed, we need all the help we can get. To leave for another country is to concede your power to those who seek to dominate other men.

If you must leave, please, at least wait until after our empire collapses under its own weight.

[Bungamunji]

I'm in the same boat as you. From reading and some online searches, I've been looking at mostly small European countries (Netherlands, Norway, etc.) and maybe Australia. I'm still looking though. A good thing to look at for finding information about countries is Wikipedia. It's really useful.

For me it's not just that the people are mindless zombies, which I think is true. Its the whole culture. I don't like American culture. There is too much fear, apathy, materialism, bull^%$ and hypocrisy for me to handle. I can't ignore it and I can't help but be bothered by it. I know all that stuff doesn't go away when you go to another country, but there are places far better than the U.S. in those departments.

Good luck in your quest.

[shaunish]

new zealand

[kushaze]

Maybe I should move to another planet. If the United States is the best thing that the world has to offer and the United States votes for people like Hillary and McCain, I should probably think about looking into space exploration.

[jstmike]

Be careful where you move hasn't already been exposed to Depleted Uranium. If you don't know about DU then google Depleted Uranium. Be sure to click on the Images section. Enjoy. :eek:

[Rich333]

No need to move. There's no place to go anyway, but don't let the current situation get you down. The worst thing that could happen to this country is a renewal of hope and faith in the system among the liberty-minded. Classical liberals and libertarians have been playing politics for centuries and it's resulted in nothing but an exponential growth in the size and scope of government. The system has never been workable. The constitution is just a piece of paper. As Lysander Spooner once wrote, "it has either authorized such a government as we have had or has been powerless to prevent it; in either case it is unfit to exist." Beyond that, it's a fraud; you can't claim consent of the governed without unanimous consent, otherwise it's just the strong ruling the weak, just as in any other system of oppression. Trying to implement "good government" is like trying to stop rape by raping people "gently". Liberty and government are mutually exclusive, and you can't get rid of government with government. Liberty can only exist within the free market, and so only the market can provide for the end of political slavery. The solution is agorism (http://agorism.info). Ignore bad laws, do whatever you can to work around the system, to disrupt the system, to bring down the system, from without. Make use of the counter-economy, peaceful black and grey markets, do whatever you can to deny the state the fruits of your labor while living as freely as you're willing to risk, and encourage others to do the same, educating them in the philosophy of liberty (http://isil.org/resources/introduction.swf). As Robert Heinlein once wrote, "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." Live free.

[lucius]

PM Joenaab, South Brazil is very nice! I was down there in November.

[Mithridates]

For those concerned with press freedom, the countries above the US are the following (US is 48th):

(sorry about all the numbers but I'm too lazy to take them all out)

1 Flag of Iceland Iceland 0.75 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
1 Flag of Norway Norway 0.75 2.00 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
3 Flag of Estonia Estonia 1.00 2.00 1.50 2.00 2.50
3 Flag of Slovakia Slovakia 1.00 2.50 0.75 0.50 2.50
5 Flag of Belgium Belgium 1.50 4.00 4.00 4.00 1.17 3.50
5 Flag of Finland Finland 1.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
5 Flag of Sweden Sweden 1.50 4.00 2.00 2.00 1.50 1.50
8 Flag of Denmark Denmark 2.00 5.00 0.50 0.50 1.00 3.00
8 Flag of Ireland Ireland 2.00 0.50 0.50 0.50 2.83 1.00
8 Flag of Portugal Portugal 2.00 3.00 4.83 4.50 5.17 1.50
11 Flag of Switzerland Switzerland 3.00 2.50 0.50 0.50 2.50 4.25
12 Flag of Latvia Latvia 3.50 3.00 2.50 1.00 2.25
12 Flag of the Netherlands Netherlands 3.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
14 Flag of the Czech Republic Czech Republic 4.00 0.75 1.00 3.50 2.50 11.25
15 Flag of New Zealand New Zealand 4.17 5.00 2.00 0.67 2.83
16 Flag of Austria Austria 4.25 4.50 2.50 3.25 2.75 7.50
17 Flag of Hungary Hungary 4.50 3.00 2.00 6.00 3.33 6.50
18 Flag of Canada Canada 4.88 4.50 4.50 3.33 1.83 0.75
19 Flag of Trinidad and Tobago Trinidad and Tobago 5.00 5.00 2.00 2.00 1.00
20 Flag of Germany Germany 5.75 5.50 4.00 2.00 1.33 1.50
21 Flag of Costa Rica Costa Rica 6.50 6.67 8.50 7.63 3.83 4.25
21 Flag of Slovenia Slovenia 6.50 3.00 1.00 2.25 3.00 4.00
23 Flag of Lithuania Lithuania 7.00 6.50 4.50 3.00 2.83
24 Flag of the United Kingdom United Kingdom 8.25 6.50 5.17 6.00 4.25 6.00
25 Flag of Mauritius Mauritius 8.50 8.00 7.50 10.50 7.25 9.50
25 Flag of Namibia Namibia 8.50 6.00 5.50 10.00 11.00 8.00
27 Flag of Jamaica Jamaica 8.63 5.50 7.50 4.17 3.33
28 Flag of Australia Australia 8.79 9.00 6.50 9.50 9.25 3.50
29 Flag of Ghana Ghana 9.00 8.50 15.00 13.50 8.75 23.00
30 Flag of Greece Greece 9.25 8.00 4.00 7.00 6.00 5.00
31 Flag of France France 9.75 9.00 6.25 3.50 4.17 3.25
32 Flag of the Republic of China Republic of China (Taiwan) 10.00 10.50 12.25 14.25 12.00 9.00
33 Flag of Spain Spain 10.25 10.00 8.33 9.00 7.67 7.75
34 Flag of Bosnia and Herzegovina Bosnia and Herzegovina 11.17 5.00 7.00 3.67 6.83 12.50
35 Flag of Italy Italy 11.25 9.90 8.67 9.00 9.75 11.00
36 Flag of the Republic of Macedonia Republic of Macedonia 11.50 11.50 8.75 11.25 9.67
37 Flag of Japan Japan 11.75 12.50 8.00 10.00 8.00 7.50
37 Flag of Uruguay Uruguay 11.75 13.75 9.75 10.00 4.00 6.00
Flag of Grenada Grenada 12.00
39 Flag of Chile Chile 12.13 11.63 11.75 10.00 6.83 6.50
39 Flag of South Korea South Korea 12.13 7.75 7.50 11.13 9.17 10.50
41 Flag of Croatia Croatia 12.50 13.00 12.83 11.83 16.50 8.75
42 Flag of Romania Romania 12.75 14.00 16.17 17.83 11.50 13.25
43 Flag of South Africa South Africa 13.00 11.25 6.50 5.00 3.33 7.50
44 Flag of Israel Israel (Israeli territory) 13.25 12.00 10.00 8.00 8.00 30.00
45 Flag of Cape Verde Cape Verde 14.00 11.50 6.00 8.75 8.25 13.75
45 Flag of Cyprus Cyprus 14.00 7.50 5.50 22.00 20.83 pre-2005 data included Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
47 Flag of Nicaragua Nicaragua



Of course, it's probably more worthwhile to work on press freedom at home. The Daily Show is an amazing example of how one can get past all the tripe you usually find on 24-hour news networks. More of that type of thing would be great.

[Young_Apprentice]

I've been to all of the countries in North and Central America as well as most of the countries in Europe. Bad as it may be here, it's far better than anywhere else. In Latin America corruption is rampant. In Europe the taxes are huge, the government is huge and inalienable rights are few.

[kiss]

5 Flag of Sweden Sweden 1.50 4.00 2.00 2.00 1.50 1.50

I have no idea where you got those figures. Swedish TV-media is dominated by a government owned network (svt) that barfs leftist propaganda all day long. A private network (TV4) was fined several times by the swedish fcc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Broadcasting_Commission) for airing... *drumroll* ...Oprah!

[VIDEODROME]

I come to this thread with a similar question. I'm thinking of moving to escape the American Depression or a possible Draft. Depending on where I go I may have to give away my guns but this move is mostly motivated by the plummeting economy.

I'm thinking about Canada and Australia. I wonder if anyone has advice on immigrating here to other countries for economic reasons and avoiding a Dollar collapse.

I also want to add though that if I did this and also have enough disposable income I would send money back to pro-freedom groups in America and still help fight the corruption.

I'm also voting next week and Michigan and would stick around during the Primaries. I'm not giving up until the Primary is over but I'm concerned enough to think about putting together a Plan B.

[christagious]

I would go for one of the following:

Ecuador
Argentina
Costa Rica
Chile

A lot of people seem to be fond of New Zealand, I don't know.

It's hard for Americans to get jobs in other countries though, what would you do about that?

[VIDEODROME]

I would go for one of the following:

Ecuador
Argentina
Costa Rica
Chile

A lot of people seem to be fond of New Zealand, I don't know.

It's hard for Americans to get jobs in other countries though, what would you do about that?

I'm going to apply to a truck driving company that offers training. Typically most American trucking companies also do business in Canada so that would make a transition up north easier. Also truck driving is a really common job anywhere in the world so once I got experience then I could go anywhere with a job skill that is in demand.

I suppose if driving is my trade going to Canada would also be easier. Going to countries that drive on the other side would take getting used to.

[Hardrock]

I would go for one of the following:

Ecuador
Argentina
Costa Rica
Chile

A lot of people seem to be fond of New Zealand, I don't know.

It's hard for Americans to get jobs in other countries though, what would you do about that?

A friend of mine had to .....er,....unexpectedly leave the US back in the
early-mid 80's.
Some little mix-up in accounting where he used to work?

He went to Costa Rica, bought a banana plantation.........likes it there.
Spends most of his days kicked back sippin' juice and chasin' the young ladies.

'Course that's a step down from the bank Pres. gig he left behind! LOL!

.:D

[Allen72289]

I would prefer Brazil because there is lots of dense rain forest and if the u.s. genocide machine comes in with their tanks they'll never find you (Vietnam for example.)

[InLoveWithRon]

Cayman Islands..

Great weather, no taxes. Wonderful.. I have been working online for over 10 years and all my earnings go into my cayman islands bank account.. Did I mention NO TAXES?!?! ! I funnel it into Canada (where I am) no problem.. I live 5 months of the year in the Cayman's and the rest of the time in Canada or travelling the world..

The Islands are the best.. And having a canadian passport I am allowed to go into Cuba.. Americans aren't allowed to freely travel to Cuba as you already know. But canadians go there by the boatload.. And they say americans are "free" ?? No they are not.. How can americans be free if they cannot freely go to Cuba which is only 90 miles from america's coastline???

Go to nearly half of the world and Americans are hated.. That's not freedom in society.. Thanks to the shabby US government and the greedy international bankers for alienating american citizens like they have done.. These government officials and bankers should be put to trial and hung for their atrocities.

I have convinced, with hard work, to get 17 of my family members in florida to vote for Ron Paul in the Florida Primary.. One can hope. I sure am.

[WV Freedom Fighter]

Hmmmm, what if the founding fathers would have done that? You need to stand up for your rights. We were born here, this is our home. The people that need to leave is THEM!

[Xenophage]

I don't think you'll find a great deal of what you're looking for in most other countries...

perhaps Switzerland, but they wouldn't allow you citizenship. They have very strict immigration laws.

[InLoveWithRon]

Hmmmm, what if the founding fathers would have done that? You need to stand up for your rights. We were born here, this is our home. The people that need to leave is THEM!

I was born in Canada.. Lived in the States from age 14 to 30.. Been in Canada and the Cayman's since Bush was elected.. I am a dual citizen of the US and Canada.. But I don't dare use my US passport to travel.. Canada passport always.. The world loves us.

And Canada is beautiful and great.. I have 17 family members who live in the states, 15 of them are citizens and can vote.. .. And over 30 of them live here in Canada. I got them all on the Ron Paul bandwagon.

[Storm3]

I have lived in Brazil, England, Scotland, Denmark, Norway, Holland and France... besides the US.

Brazil is probably the most free if you are rich. If you are rich you don't have to worry about much except violence.

Besides that England/Scotland are quite free as well, but getting worse. Go to Scandinavia if you believe in the welfare system. It works there, no doubt, but the price is up to 70% in income taxes.

My advice: stick with the Free State Project!! TFSP should remain Plan B for all Freedom Lovers and Libertarians.

[johngr]

You should Move to the United Stated of America. In order for the revolution to succeed, we need all the help we can get. To leave for another country is to concede your power to those who seek to dominate other men..

Gee, kinda like the founding fathers did when they left England, huh?

[Johnnybags]

You didn't answer my question and I am not giving up yet. I have a right to voice my opinion and my opinion is that most of the people that live in this country are mindless zombies. I am just looking at a plan B. It doesn't have to be your plan B.

one in America to go to Havana and ask for asylum, make a raft out of an old jeep and get going, make history. First American to do it, Fidel will make you happy.

[Captain Shays]

The middle name of the New World Order is "WORLD"

I'm just glad Patrick Henry didn't decide to run away from the fight for freedom.

Face it. This is the front lines. This is the last hope. Right here. Right now.

There is nowhere you can go to escape global domination by the elites.

This is the only place where you still have a chance to thwart the bastards.

[Captain Shays]

I would say this however. We could try to populate a state and take it over like the free state project did. The only problem with us moving up there is my wife is from South Carolina and hates cold weather or we would have done it.

There is another place. Asheville North Carolina. The weather there is more agreeable and there is relatively cheap land still available and many places to hold out if or when the government take over begins.

Consider this folks. If there were militias or simply groups of citizens who wanted to stay out of FEMA camps and stand and fight for freedom, (which is a militia anyway) there is no way you can do it alone. Not when 50 national guardsmen come to your home armed to the teeth like they did in Lousiana afterr Katrina.

If there is some natural disaster which is used as the pretext for such a take over, figure on all conventional means of communications to be cut off. We won't have the internet or phones or even short wave radios to rely on and even if we did they would be monitored and "they" would find us.

The only hope for a last stand is to group together before hand and have an alternative method of communications ready.
I suggest finding an unregistered gun because after Katrina they used the registry of gun owners to round up those people first.

Don't worry. You right to keep and bear arms is a right not a privilage that you need permission for anyway. Its against the law what I'm suggesting but so is their law against the Constitution.

I know that some would consider what I'm typing to be somewhat subversive and I also know that my government would consider me a terrorist. But I ain't no terrorist, nor am I subversive to my Constitution and I consider myself a law abiding guy. I'm also not out to hurt anyone or kill anyone but either were the founding fathers. They just wanted to be free and live their lives the way they chose to live them not not hurt anyone else or infringe on their freedoms, just like me and you.

So consider what I'm saying. Try to find like minded people to hook up with and work with them to store up food and water and energy and some means of protection and find a place to hide out from the government where you can engage in well, sort of secret efforts to preserve liberty.

During WWII what some people did was use a single shot gun. A woman would approach an SS trooper and ask for a light for her cigarette. She would shoot him, take his multiple shot gun which she could use to get a few others and take their guns. This is how the resistence started in France.

I'm sure many of them said "where can I go to be safe and live free". I'll bet even duringt the Rev War some Americans said that since we know that only about a third of Americans fought and won the Revolutionary War. The othr 2/3 were either apathetic or were actually loyal to their own government.

And always remember that this country started by the patriots who fought against their own government and it was at that time totally illegal. But thank God they did.

Sure I sound like a nut bag to some, in fact probably most left in this country. I don't care because I know that I'm a good guy who like the founders just wants to be left alone to raise my family, live by my own means and be free.

What we see our governent doing is taking away our freedoms and becoming a liavathan and threatening each and every one of us.

Have you all seen or heard about the guy who's son bumped his head and the SWAT team bashed in his door just so they could say that the kid should have ice applied to his bump and asprines administered to reduce the pain?

If that father had neighbors who were armed and ready maybe that could have been prevented or it might have esclated. Who knows? But the neighbors might have said "this is a good guy and we're not going to let you bash in his door" and stood in the way of the SWAT team. So don't let the incrimentalism of this progression fool you into complacency. Tyranny is cloaked in laws and enabled by apathay.

[InLoveWithRon]

You're not nuts Shays.. You have every right to be concerned and take action.

[pinkmandy]

I'd say stay and all move to one several state area. The Lakota's just made headlines a couple weeks ago saying they were seceding from the US. Maybe near them?

[hamilton1049]

I'd say stay and all move to one several state area. The Lakota's just made headlines a couple weeks ago saying they were seceding from the US. Maybe near them?

The Rpublic of Lakotah did not secede from the United States, they withdrew from their treaty the Constitution has never applied to the indigenous tribes of North America. www.republicoflakotah.com

[1913_to_2008]

Alright I am not giving up on the campaign, but I am seriously thinking of moving to another country. Maybe a 3rd world country (maybe one of those hasn't been completely corrupted yet). I don't know. If America, or at least New Hampshire (the Live Free or Die state), is stupid enought to elect Hillary Clinton and John McCain maybe its time to get out. I was actually considering moving out of the country before Ron Paul came along, but that has been temporarily suspended at this moment.

I don't know if we can save the mindless zombies of this country anymore. I am really thinking about leaving. Does anyone have any suggestions to what country would be best to move to? And does anyone have any information and how easy it is to move there? (After doing research I have found out that its almost impossible to permanently immigrate to many countries legally). All information would be a great help.

Any of the scandonavian countries, chile, costa rica, or New Zealand. I know a lot of people also like to try
Alaska first.

[Worried Brit]

Whatever you do don't come to Britain. It has become an oppressive place to live in thanks to a reckless, authoritarian, meddling Labour Government with all the instincts of tyrants.

We have been bombarded with thousands of new bans and fines (1 new crime created for every day of Blair's 10 year rule), petty regulations, a health and safety mafia and suffocating political correctness. We are the only country in the European Union to have 'endemic, uncontrolled surveillance' matched only by places like China. We have 20% of the world's CCTV cameras! Basic civil liberties, legal rights, checks and balances are being progressively destroyed. ID cards linked to a big fat database coming this year. Privacy is becoming a quaint outdated concept.

I myself am looking for somewhere to escape to. I can't bear watching my country getting butchered anymore - it is frightening and heartbreaking.

[pinkmandy]

The Rpublic of Lakotah did not secede from the United States, they withdrew from their treaty the Constitution has never applied to the indigenous tribes of North America. www.republicoflakotah.com

Interesting. I haven't seen anything else about this...what is going on with it? So do they consider themselves a sovereign people or nation within the US?

[hamilton1049]

Interesting. I haven't seen anything else about this...what is going on with it? So do they consider themselves a sovereign people or nation within the US?

Sovereign Nation geographically surrounded by the US , go to the link they explain it there. You can move there if you renounce your U.S. citizenship.

[pinkmandy]

Sovereign Nation geographically surrounded by the US , go to the link they explain it there. You can move there if you renounce your U.S. citizenship.


Thanks so much. VERY interesting and thought provoking. :D I won't renounce anything til I cast my vote for the doctor then we'll see. ;)

[Alex Libman]

I had a lot of hope for the Free State Project, but in light of Ron Paul getting just 8% in New Hampshire (maybe 10% if they cheated) (with a much higher Dem turnout), I cannot in good conscience continue to recommend it...

All the aforementioned advice on Latin America and island nations is probably only applicable to people who've already made their fortune and are for the most part retired. Even a work-from-home hikikomori like myself cannot take that leap with confidence. People like me need to be close to high-tech / economic hot-spots that are fertile ground for clients and career opportunities. It's kind of hard (and expensive) to make yourself available to clients in London or Paris when your home is in Iceland or Estonia!

The best solution in the long term is to stop thinking of yourself as an American "right or wrong" and think of yourself as a person capable of voting with his feet for the place in the world that offers the most freedom and economic opportunity. Focus on your career first, and detach it from America as much as possible. Study foreign language(s) that offer the highest business opportunity.

Don't let the size and quantity of Latin American nations fool you - the total GDP is pretty low, especially in the service sector. There's a lot of socialist / communist sentiment. The intersection between English and Spanish speakers is very high, thus reducing the career value of being multilingual in those languages. (Remember, it's all about supply and demand!) And don't forget that selection doesn't directly translate to accessibility - you can't be in Mexico City, Madrid, and Buenos Aires, etc, all at the same time!

Europe has its own unemployment problems, most young people there speak English, and it will be hard to distinguish yourself from a flood of job-seekers that will flood in if/when the American economy starts rapidly declining. In a recent survey, only 30-something percent of Frenchmen said "free market capitalism is the best system", one of the lowest benchmarks in the world, with even the Commie China being in the %80s! After English, the #2 language of continental Europe is actually Russian, and in the EU it'll be followed by Turkish if they make the mistake of letting them join. And if they don't reform their immigration policies, in a couple of generations Arabic and Urdu will take over! ;)

And don't let the Asian giants fool you - China, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Russia, etc will not dominate the 21st century until they implement A LOT of reforms, and it might take the rest of the century to get those rights. In China, Beijing, Shanghai, and Hong Kong speak three different dialects, and the latter uses slightly different characters. The disunity of the Arabic language and languages of India is even greater. And when was the last time you came across a Web-site in one of the Indian languages? That's because everyone who's educated enough to use the Internet would rather use English!

And so we come to... Japan! (The other "East-Asian Tigers" are interesting too, but they are much smaller and half a century behind on some things.) Japan is the world's #2 industrialized country, and the only one where government spending as percentage of GDP is lower than America's (and that's in spite of better health-care and more urban infrastructure). They've recently privatized their Post Office and Social Security. Japan ranks very well in life expectancy, employment, education, low crime, high-speed wired / wi-fi Internet, press freedom, etc, etc, etc. (In most benchmarks, it's either the #1 of the G-8 nations or just below US/UK - as it is in Economic Freedom and GDP/capita, but it's gaining.) Tokyo is the world's #1 concentration of not only people but also of wealth and high-tech industries, with far more Global 500 companies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_Global_500#2007_breakdown_by_city) than any other city (almost twice as much as Paris in #2).

People who speak and write good Japanese as well as English are always in very high demand, especially if you have a good business / science / tech education otherwise. The language is hard, but given its cultural exports most young people find it more interesting to learn than European languages (especially when everyone you meet in Europe will want to speak English anyway). The Japanese language is also a stepping-stone for later being able to read Chinese-character Web-sites or wrap your mind about Korean grammar.

Japan has many quirks - gun control, environmental regulation, distrust of foreigners, high cost of living, archaic writing system, left-hand drive, etc. But many of those are not as bad as they at first seem. For example, being a small, high-tech, and very densely populated country means it can actually profit from international environmental bullshit at the cost of larger countries like the US. Distrust of foreigners means they'd rather build robots than import cheap labor like the US is doing, but they do recognize the need for importing English teachers and other professionals.

[DAFTEK]

Switzerland seemed descent until I found out that they were taking away everyones guns. Its also very hard to move to Switzerland. Any specific country in Europe that you know about?

Romanian Girls are hot :D I go there 7 weeks every year and love it ;)

[The Tao Of Bill]

What a bunch of cowards some of you guys are. You think anywhere is going to be much better? Most countries around the world are socialist. And there is no sign of them changing that mentality. At least in America there is a large group of people who know socialism is bad. They just don't know what socialism is or for that matter what facism is. All this country needs to be free is education. They know what's bad. They don't know how to define it.


I'm reminded of some song lyrics from one of my favorite songs by Catch 22 called 12341234


Look around little brother can you tell me what you see?
You're a big boy now so take responsibility.
You've never had it hard
and now it's getting tough
So you whine whine whine and you say you've had enough
You say I'm full of shit
That I'm a hypocrite.
I cannot take the advice that I give
Well maybe you're right
but open your eyes
The main difference is that I try try try.

Did anyone say this was going to be easy? Of course not! You think the most powerful organizations in this country and in the world are going to just roll over to our might? Are you kidding?! They are laughing at us right now! You know why? Because they know as soon as things get a little tough all you pussy ass whiners are going to ditch the movement and move someplace else where you simply aren't aware of the corruption. Where you can go back to closing your eyes and pretending nothing is wrong.

Give me a break. If you want anything good in life you have to work for it. Where are you going to run when the depression hits? You think America will be the only country effected? We are tied into the global economy. We go down so does the world. There is no place to hide. So stop being a pansy who runs away from problems and start being a true patriot and an American Hero like our founding fathers were. We can accomplish this. But not if you guys ditch us. Think about people other than yourselves for a change. This movement is bigger than me and it's certainly bigger than you. It's for all of us. It's for freedom and it's to convince the rest of the world that free markets and free societies work better than socialism and nanny states. We need to show the world that America is STILL the land of the free and STILL the home of the brave.

Or you can prove them all right by running away with your cowardly tail between your legs. Because if that's the way you're going to be then you're useless to us anyway. Go back to being a sheeple and put your head back in the sand.

[RevolutionSD]

Cayman Islands..

Great weather, no taxes. Wonderful.. I have been working online for over 10 years and all my earnings go into my cayman islands bank account.. Did I mention NO TAXES?!?! ! I funnel it into Canada (where I am) no problem.. I live 5 months of the year in the Cayman's and the rest of the time in Canada or travelling the world..

The Islands are the best.. And having a canadian passport I am allowed to go into Cuba.. Americans aren't allowed to freely travel to Cuba as you already know. But canadians go there by the boatload.. And they say americans are "free" ?? No they are not.. How can americans be free if they cannot freely go to Cuba which is only 90 miles from america's coastline???

Go to nearly half of the world and Americans are hated.. That's not freedom in society.. Thanks to the shabby US government and the greedy international bankers for alienating american citizens like they have done.. These government officials and bankers should be put to trial and hung for their atrocities.

I have convinced, with hard work, to get 17 of my family members in florida to vote for Ron Paul in the Florida Primary.. One can hope. I sure am.

It's NOT TRUE that Americans are hated throughout the world.
I've traveled all over and people LOVE Americans in most places, but HATE our government.

[tomveil]

What a bunch of cowards some of you guys are. You think anywhere is going to be much better? Most countries around the world are socialist. And there is no sign of them changing that mentality. At least in America there is a large group of people who know socialism is bad. They just don't know what socialism is or for that matter what facism is. All this country needs to be free is education. They know what's bad. They don't know how to define it.


I'm reminded of some song lyrics from one of my favorite songs by Catch 22 called 12341234


Look around little brother can you tell me what you see?
You're a big boy now so take responsibility.
You've never had it hard
and now it's getting tough
So you whine whine whine and you say you've had enough
You say I'm full of shit
That I'm a hypocrite.
I cannot take the advice that I give
Well maybe you're right
but open your eyes
The main difference is that I try try try.

Did anyone say this was going to be easy? Of course not! You think the most powerful organizations in this country and in the world are going to just roll over to our might? Are you kidding?! They are laughing at us right now! You know why? Because they know as soon as things get a little tough all you pussy ass whiners are going to ditch the movement and move someplace else where you simply aren't aware of the corruption. Where you can go back to closing your eyes and pretending nothing is wrong.

Give me a break. If you want anything good in life you have to work for it. Where are you going to run when the depression hits? You think America will be the only country effected? We are tied into the global economy. We go down so does the world. There is no place to hide. So stop being a pansy who runs away from problems and start being a true patriot and an American Hero like our founding fathers were. We can accomplish this. But not if you guys ditch us. Think about people other than yourselves for a change. This movement is bigger than me and it's certainly bigger than you. It's for all of us. It's for freedom and it's to convince the rest of the world that free markets and free societies work better than socialism and nanny states. We need to show the world that America is STILL the land of the free and STILL the home of the brave.

Or you can prove them all right by running away with your cowardly tail between your legs. Because if that's the way you're going to be then you're useless to us anyway. Go back to being a sheeple and put your head back in the sand.

*laugh*

As if America is doing anything for us?

[Matt Collins]

I just met a RP supporter who is an American living in Estonia.

[Rebel Resource]

I'm going to live in Venezuela.......most European countries are globalist and headed in the same general direction as the US.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=281646&id=543295676

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=272532&id=543295676

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=276837&id=543295676

[BuddyRey]

I still don't get what fuels so much of the American Exceptionalist mentality on these forums. There isn't one facet of American life, philosophy, culture, or national identity that couldn't be equally recreated and enjoyed in another part of the world. Well, if you move to Iceland, you might not get much chance to break out the old volleyball net, but that's about it.

I've said this before, but "America" as we know it, is a state of mind, not a specific landmass. We could all chip in, buy an island, draft a Constitution identical to our own, and live life just as richly (if not moreso) than we do today in this crumbling, pale shadow of the formerly great United States of America.

[kushaze]

It's NOT TRUE that Americans are hated throughout the world.
I've traveled all over and people LOVE Americans in most places, but HATE our government.

When is the last time you traveled? My cousin works for the peace corps. (he has been working for them for 15years now) and just told me last night that Americans are now generally hated throughout the world. The peace corps. has to take precautions for Americans now. EXAMPLE: they had to bulletproof their building in the Dominican Republice recently. In past years you could go to countries, tell them you were an American, and they would buy you a beer. Now, there is a general concensus of hate towards Americans throughout the world.

[Mayflower]

I still don't get what fuels so much of the American Exceptionalist mentality on these forums. There isn't one facet of American life, philosophy, culture, or national identity that couldn't be equally recreated and enjoyed in another part of the world. Well, if you move to Iceland, you might not get much chance to break out the old volleyball net, but that's about it.

I've said this before, but "America" as we know it, is a state of mind, not a specific landmass. We could all chip in, buy an island, draft a Constitution identical to our own, and live life just as richly (if not moreso) than we do today in this crumbling, pale shadow of the formerly great United States of America.

Two years ago when I realized what was happening,this is what I half kiddingly told my friends. That we will fight as long and as hard as we can, but in the end if it does not work, that the patriots all chip in and buy a huge island and start our own New World. It is just a thought, I am glad to see others are considering steps like this. Oh, by the way, my anscestor is William Bradford, so I get to be the Governer!!(kidding of course.)

[w2992]

Well they aint putting up that fence to keep people out. The exit is all that has changed you have to have a card to get out now.

[ronpauleddy]

The US is still the most free land in the world. Amazing considering how badly our liberties are being trampled upon. Most everywhere else is some flavor of socialism.

Sorry to tell you bud!! America is the most "socially engineered" ,"mind controlled"
"consumer happy" nation in the world!!

EXCEPT FOR THE PAULITES OF COURSE...:D

GOOGLE VIDEO: CENTURY OF THE SELF!! BEST DOCUMENTARY EVER!!
YOU'LL SEE WHAT I MEAN!!

[driller80545]

I have been studying retirement in another country for several years. Best choices that I have found are: Panama, Brazil, and Chile. All very receptive to immigration. All very cheap and stable. I am leaning towards Panama right now. I love the live and let live attitude, lots of underpopulated beautiful land, and no involvement in world affairs.

[Moxxar]

Well you are all invited in Holland...but then you have to live in an surveillance state and pay about 50% of you income in taxes.
Damn I hate my country sometimes... :( That is btw why I'm so scared of what's happening in your country and why I am so involved with this campaign. I see America as the truly last bastion of liberty as Ronald Reagan said in A time for choosing. And if shit like this can happen in the last bastion of liberty and the former most free country in the world, what hope is there for the rest of us, and where can we turn to then for liberty?
Please, not only for your own country, but for me and the rest of the world as well, don't give up! Give everything you have! And win dammit! :)

[JeffSchulman]

Estonia: http://blog.mises.org/archives/007688.asp

[timosman]

bump

[Zippyjuan]

bump

Why? It is nine years old.

[Ender]

I still don't get what fuels so much of the American Exceptionalist mentality on these forums. There isn't one facet of American life, philosophy, culture, or national identity that couldn't be equally recreated and enjoyed in another part of the world. Well, if you move to Iceland, you might not get much chance to break out the old volleyball net, but that's about it.

I've said this before, but "America" as we know it, is a state of mind, not a specific landmass. We could all chip in, buy an island, draft a Constitution identical to our own, and live life just as richly (if not moreso) than we do today in this crumbling, pale shadow of the formerly great United States of America.

Miss this Dude. :(

[r3volution 3.0]

I'm going to live in Venezuela.......most European countries are globalist and headed in the same general direction as the US.

whoops..

[Pauls' Revere]

My list of criteria for choosing an overseas locale.

1) 1st, 2nd, or 3rd world country. Take your pick and look at the globe.
2) probability of needing to learn another language. Not fluent necessarily but enough to buy food, change money, find medicine, etc..day-to-day stuff.
3) Infrastructure and your ability to travel around. I like places with roads.
4) Banking and finance ability, does it support your financial needs? ATM's, investments, access to cash? bank stability.
6) personal safety, are there roving gangs with .50 cals on the back of pick ups? - maybe that's your thing, dunno.
7) form of government, sorry I'm not into dictatorships and I assume since your using the forum your not either.

these are just some of the top areas I used to widdle it down. I also looked at the OCED website and with banking you can find yourself in a grey area pretty quick.

Check and see if the place you choose has whats called a "Totalization Agreement" with the U.S. this is IMPORTANT because you can avoid double taxation if they do. You either get taxed under the U.S. system or the foreign one. In addition, Travelex has a cash passport card to hold 5 different currencies on if you wish. https://www.travelex.com/cash-passport that will convert currency rates for you in a defined order of currency status. Dollar first, Euro, Yen, etc... I hope to make my plans a reality someday. But I'm not loaded so I have to find a way to do this on a dime. I though about Nevis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevis as a place to retire. The port city of St. Christophre looks awesome ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Christopher-Nevis-Anguilla google those images. But for me the island fever would be to much. I do have a place in mind and am working toward that end, its a 13 year plan but it will happen.

[ILUVRP]

i would choose japan , i spent 3 1/2 yrs there and if a person would take the time and learn to speak japanese he would love japan , you could go 500-700 miles north of tokyo to hokkaido if you like winter weather or go south to kyushu if you like spring like weather .

in 3 1/2 yrs in japan i never locked the doors in home .

learning the local language is a big help no matter where you go .

[oyarde]

My list of criteria for choosing an overseas locale.

1) 1st, 2nd, or 3rd world country. Take your pick and look at the globe.
2) probability of needing to learn another language. Not fluent necessarily but enough to buy food, change money, find medicine, etc..day-to-day stuff.
3) Infrastructure and your ability to travel around. I like places with roads.
4) Banking and finance ability, does it support your financial needs? ATM's, investments, access to cash? bank stability.
6) personal safety, are there roving gangs with .50 cals on the back of pick ups? - maybe that's your thing, dunno.
7) form of government, sorry I'm not into dictatorships and I assume since your using the forum your not either.

these are just some of the top areas I used to widdle it down. I also looked at the OCED website and with banking you can find yourself in a grey area pretty quick.

Check and see if the place you choose has whats called a "Totalization Agreement" with the U.S. this is IMPORTANT because you can avoid double taxation if they do. You either get taxed under the U.S. system or the foreign one. In addition, Travelex has a cash passport card to hold 5 different currencies on if you wish. https://www.travelex.com/cash-passport that will convert currency rates for you in a defined order of currency status. Dollar first, Euro, Yen, etc... I hope to make my plans a reality someday. But I'm not loaded so I have to find a way to do this on a dime. I though about Nevis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevis as a place to retire. The port city of St. Christophre looks awesome ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Christopher-Nevis-Anguilla google those images. But for me the island fever would be to much. I do have a place in mind and am working toward that end, its a 13 year plan but it will happen.
.50 cal on a pickup is OK if I have the only one .

[Anti Federalist]

Miss this Dude. :(

me too...

[cindy25]

depends on your age, sex, language and other skills.

some countries are best for business, others for retirees, others for skilled employees.

if under 30 watch out for conscription.

[TheCount]

whoops..Why woops? Venezuela is a nationalist paradise. Why, they're one, max two tax cuts away from utopia.