I'm Losing Hope...

[Patriot123]

Hell, I'd love to stay optimistic, and I will, but... I just need to get this out, and vent. So, eh... Bear with me.



If we don't win this time around, the war will surely be lost... Not battle. War. We have a national ID card with an RFID chip in it coming around the corner, and if anyone but RP gets elected with the exception of Kucinich and Gravel, we're getting it. We have the Patriot Act which gets worse by the day. We have our cell phones being used as dog collars. We have secret prisons around the country and around the world... We have LOST our FREEDOM! Doesn't anyone get this? We are FIGHTING FOR OUR DAMN LIVES HERE. And people have the NERVE to simply GIVE UP, and say, "if RP doesn't win, screw it." What NERVE do you have to say that? We are FIGHTING for our lives, here. Our freedom. If RP doesn't win this time around, we will CERTAINLY go FASCIST. Don't you all get that? We NEED to step up our game. It isn't just our country that's at stake. It's the entire world. If anyone but Paul with the exceptions gets elected, we're doomed for a war with Iran, which will set off WWIII, which WILL turn nuclear, which will KILL us all. No one realizes this.

There's no way in hell I'm going to give up on RP. If he doesn't win, we need to use our constitutional rights to our advantage. March straight into the white house, come at them with a petition, and declare that we are INSTATING Ron Paul as our new commander in chief with the authority under our constitution and other rights. If RP doesn't win, this needs to get ugly. NEEDS. And I don't mean with guns, or violence, or anything like that. I mean SMEARING any neo-con there is, and getting a petition together to INSTATE Ron Paul as our commander in chief. If we wait any longer, it's Fascism and WWIII. And NO ONE gets this. We're fighting for everything here. What nerve do people have to simply give up on it?

[clouds]

How many people does it take to change the country?

[OptionsTrader]

Socialism is popular...

[Patriot123]

One. How many people does it take to silence that one person, and stop it?

[heath.whiteaker]

here is what I wrote to our meet up groups

If it has not occurred to the LAZY Paul supporters that a few people can make a difference then you have been living under a rock. If you look at some of the counties, you can really see where the precinct captains were hard at work. I am URGING…. No scratch that…. I am telling you to get involved heavy. Get your Mom, Dad, Sister, Brother anyone you know that is close…. Get them involved. We can’t do this with out support. We have to keep truckin’ on.

I don’t believe the poll numbers in New Hampshire. Especially a state where the motto is “Live free or die” I find it hard to believe they selected McCain. Who has already said he is ok with 100+ years in Iraq.

This cause may not matter to much to you…. But it matters HEAVILY to me. When you go to a Drive Thru hand out a slimjim. In Church educate people on what Huckabee has done in the past. If you need help ask. We can make this happen….. but it will only happen if you get off your BUTT and help. Sign waving hasn’t been to big when they meet up. Even I am guilty of it. I live an hour away from Lakeland and I will not be missing the Sign Waving anymore.

In closing remember: You only get out of this, WHAT YOU PUT IN.

[heath.whiteaker]

One. How many people does it take to silence that one person, and stop it?

be a quitter if you want. It just proves that your weak.

[Patriot123]

be a quitter if you want. It just proves that your weak.

That is NOT what I was implying. I was implying that not only are Americans stupid, but we have LOST our country because of the fact that, 'Americans are stupid.'

[heath.whiteaker]

in every society you have idiots. Only in America do they some what have a voice.

We just have to make sure that we get to the idiots and help them make up their mind for the election. For me... we are having a county fair... the meet up group is getting a booth. I am just trying to reach as many idiots as I can.

But it takes more than just one person to reach them.

[clouds]

One. How many people does it take to silence that one person, and stop it?

Things are already changing. If there were plans to silence this message, it is too late. We have more than one supporter who really believe this message, and as long as we begin at our local level, we can turn this nation on its head.

[GoApe4RonPaul2008]

Here are some quotes that may help...

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."-Winston Churchill

"The battle, Sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave."-Patrick Henry

"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself."-John Adams

The good Doctor will revive this country. Stay strong brothers and sisters.

[Patriot123]

But where do we go from here? Where? We have nothing tangible... Nothing. We have nothing... I mean, do you really think that we can infiltrate the Senate and Congress with RP constitutionalists? This goes back to what I'm saying. If we don't win NOW, we're DONE. We'll turn fascist before we even get one person in. Don't you get what I'm saying? We have to take to the streets. NOW, if we want our country back. There's no plan B. This is IT. We either win, or lose. And I'll be damned if we lose. We're going to battle this thing out till the end, and if it so happens that we lose and we go fascist, hey... Maybe our constitutional rights might come in handy.

[heath.whiteaker]

it can all start this tax season. Just remember that.

[Bungamunji]

I agree with you man.

The more I learn about American Politics, the less hope I have. As soon as I'm old enough, I'm moving. I think America will just get more and more corrupt, and the people will just get more and more apathetic.

[clouds]

We're doing our best to get the message out. And yes, we do try to fill the congress with libertarian minded candidates. This is possible on a local level, as it is obvious the deck is stacked at the national level(at this time). Look at what we have done already. We've basically restored the anti-federalist party beliefs of old to a national prominence, we've crossed party lines with the message, and we've done it without mainstream media's help. I know it's tough, but don't be negative with the people on this forum. I'm sure they all worked as hard as they could to get Ron Paul's name and mission to prominence. Let's be realistic about where we are and be optimistic about what our actions will achieve, and if we're pessimistic, it should be when we're talking about the economy's current design.

[heath.whiteaker]

I agree with you man.

The more I learn about American Politics, the less hope I have. As soon as I'm old enough, I'm moving. I think America will just get more and more corrupt, and the people will just get more and more apathetic.

but where are you going to move to?

[Patriot123]

I agree with you man.

The more I learn about American Politics, the less hope I have. As soon as I'm old enough, I'm moving. I think America will just get more and more corrupt, and the people will just get more and more apathetic.

Move? Aren't we all American?

I'm staying right here. Live free or die.

[xd9fan]

Live free or die.

these words have no meaning anymore

[heath.whiteaker]

sure they do... just not for New Hampshire.

[GoApe4RonPaul2008]

Some people I hear are losing hope.... So I am going to try to encourage you.... Should we be silent after these 3 early primary's ? And let this destroy our efforts to spread the message of Freedom? Which may I remind you this is what we are spreading! The message of freedom and hope! A Ron Paul Presidency would be great, do not misunderstand me.. I want him to be president more then anything in the world right now... but we can not let these corporations who own the news discourage us.

"As we must account for every idle word, so must we account for every idle silence."-Ben Franklin.

If we remain silent the media will crush Ron Paul and any hope of ANY freedom! You know this, I know this.... We must remain Loud and Enthusiastic. We must fight the good fight Brothers and Sisters. If we stumble even a little the media will jump all over Ron Paul saying Ron Paul movement is dead. WE ARE NOT. We are alive and strong!

Keep on fighting.. Just think of it this way... when our founders decided to revolt... what if they said.. 'Lets just wait this out be silent.. maybe things will change'. We would be under the new world order already! Or some British country...Thankfully they did not... They stood up for what they believed in and changed the ENTIRE World! It was the First time in the world's history that the people told the government how to act! By creating the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights!
Let us honor our Founders and our ancestors by awakening as many citizens of this great nation to what Freedom really is. Manny people have forgotten about this 'freedom,' But this movement is re-awakening many. We must persist in our efforts to restore the constitution and our freedoms!

Remember the entire world is watching... Show them why we are the leaders in FREEDOM!

Peace, God bless

-Chris

[Nicketas]

I like cookies.

[heath.whiteaker]

very well put.

[Derek_Sine]

Edit.

[GoApe4RonPaul2008]

keep on keeping on, we all can see how rigged this election is, you just need people to get interested in Ron Paul. Educate yourself stay on top of everything, I'm not giving up. It disgusts me when people are already willing to give up. This is nothing, people have died for this type of stuff.


Because when it's all said and done what do you want to be remembered for?
Open your eye's we are up against the most complex form of suppression, this movement is much stronger than it appears.

Right on!

This is more then just to get Ron Paul Elected... Its to re-awaken the sleeping giant known as freedom.

[Rich333]

When y'all have finally woken up to the fact that the system itself is the problem and that trying to "fix it" is impossible/undesirable, check out agorism.info (http://agorism.info/) for a real solution to the problem. Or you can go back to the same strategy that's been tried for centuries by classical liberals and libertarians and has failed to result in anything but an exponential growth in the size and scope of the state. Your choice.

[Dave Pedersen]

Hell, I'd love to stay optimistic, and I will, but... I just need to get this out, and vent. So, eh... Bear with me.



If we don't win this time around, the war will surely be lost... Not battle. War. We have a national ID card with an RFID chip in it coming around the corner, and if anyone but RP gets elected with the exception of Kucinich and Gravel, we're getting it. We have the Patriot Act which gets worse by the day. We have our cell phones being used as dog collars. We have secret prisons around the country and around the world... We have LOST our FREEDOM! Doesn't anyone get this? We are FIGHTING FOR OUR DAMN LIVES HERE. And people have the NERVE to simply GIVE UP, and say, "if RP doesn't win, screw it." What NERVE do you have to say that? We are FIGHTING for our lives, here. Our freedom. If RP doesn't win this time around, we will CERTAINLY go FASCIST. Don't you all get that? We NEED to step up our game. It isn't just our country that's at stake. It's the entire world. If anyone but Paul with the exceptions gets elected, we're doomed for a war with Iran, which will set off WWIII, which WILL turn nuclear, which will KILL us all. No one realizes this.

There's no way in hell I'm going to give up on RP. If he doesn't win, we need to use our constitutional rights to our advantage. March straight into the white house, come at them with a petition, and declare that we are INSTATING Ron Paul as our new commander in chief with the authority under our constitution and other rights. If RP doesn't win, this needs to get ugly. NEEDS. And I don't mean with guns, or violence, or anything like that. I mean SMEARING any neo-con there is, and getting a petition together to INSTATE Ron Paul as our commander in chief. If we wait any longer, it's Fascism and WWIII. And NO ONE gets this. We're fighting for everything here. What nerve do people have to simply give up on it?

I copied this from wiki about the winter at valley forge. Thought it might be beneficial to relive what others have endured for our country:

With the winter setting in, the prospects for campaigning were greatly diminished, and Washington sought quarters for his men. Though several locations were proposed, he selected Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, 22 miles northwest of Philadelphia. It proved to be an excellent choice. Named for an iron forge on Valley Creek, the area was close enough to the British to keep their raiding and foraging parties out of the interior of Pennsylvania, yet far enough away to halt the threat of British surprise attacks. The high ground of Mount Joy ( called Mount Misery by the soldiers) combined with the China River to the north, made the area easily defensible.

On December 19, 1777, when Washington's poorly fed, ill-equipped army, weary from long marches, struggled into Valley Forge, winds blew as the 12,000 Continentals prepared for winter's fury. Grounds for brigade encampments were selected, and defense lines were planned and begun. Within days of the army's arrival, the Schuylkill River was covered with ice. Snow was six inches deep. Though construction of more than 1,000 huts provided shelter, it did little to offset the critical shortages that continually plagued the army.

Soldiers received irregular supplies of meat and bread, some getting their only nourishment from "firecake," a tasteless mixture of flour and water. So severe were conditions at times that Washington despaired "that unless some great and capital change suddenly takes place ... this Army must inevitably ... Starve, dissolve, or disperse, in order to obtain subsistence in the best manner they can." Animals fared no better. Gen. Henry Knox, Washington's Chief of Artillery, wrote that hundreds of horses either starved to death or died of exhaustion.

Clothing, too, was wholly inadequate. Long marches had destroyed shoes. Blankets were scarce. Tattered garments were seldom replaced. At one point these shortages caused nearly 4,000 men to be listed as unfit for duty.
National Memorial Arch inscription: Naked and starving as they are We cannot enough admire The incomparable Patience and Fidelity of the Soldiery –George Washington
National Memorial Arch inscription:

Naked and starving as they are
We cannot enough admire
The incomparable Patience and Fidelity
of the Soldiery
–George Washington

Undernourished and poorly clothed, living in crowded, damp quarters, the army was ravaged by sickness and disease. Typhus, typhoid, dysentery, and pneumonia were among the killers that felled as many as 2,000 men that winter. Although Washington repeatedly petitioned for relief, the Congress was unable to provide it, and the soldiers continued to suffer. Women, relatives of enlisted men, alleviated some of the suffering by providing valuable services such as laundry and nursing that the army desperately needed.

Upgrading military efficiency, morale, and discipline were as vital to the army's well-being as was its source of supply. The army had been handicapped in battle because unit training was administered from a variety of field manuals, making coordinated battle movements awkward and difficult. The soldiers were trained, but not uniformly. The task of developing and carrying out an effective training program fell to Baron Friedrich von Steuben. This skilled Prussian drill master, recently arrived from Europe, tirelessly drilled and scolded the regiments into an effective fighting force. Intensive daily training, coupled with von Steuben's forceful manner, instilled in the men renewed confidence in themselves and their ability to succeed.[1]

Soon word of the British departure from Philadelphia brought a frenzied activity to the ranks of the Continental Army. On June 19, 1778, six months after its arrival, the army marched away from Valley Forge in pursuit of the British who were moving toward New York. An ordeal had ended. The war would last for another five years, but for Washington, his men, and the nation to which they sought to give birth, a decisive victory had been won -- a victory not of weapons but of will.[2]