View Full Version : Paul needs to accept the $20 million in matching funds and go all out Super Tuesday.
Libertarian
01-08-2008, 09:48 PM
This is what it all boils down to folks...Every candidate is going to accept matching federal funds and Paul will be at a huge huge HUGE disadvantage if he refuses them on principle. Paul's message is vitally important and if he does not to take the federal match, he will be crushed by neocon propaganda in the coming primaries.
This is a WAR for the future of our country...and to deny yourself a weapon that your enemies will be using means a guaranteed defeat. We can not let this happen.
Please write letters..send emails, and make phone calls encouraging the Paul campaign to accept the $20 million match, and to use that money to spread the message of liberty. $20 million is a drop in the bucket compared to the TRILLION dollars we will save annually if Paul is elected.
Here is the campaign contact information:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/contact/
fedup100
01-08-2008, 09:50 PM
This is what it all boils down to folks...Every candidate is going to accept matching federal funds and Paul will be at a huge huge HUGE disadvantage if he refuses them on principle. Paul's message is vitally important, and if he does not to take the federal match, he will be crushed by neocon propaganda in the coming primaries.
This is a war for the future of our country...and to deny yourself a weapon that your enemies will be using means a guaranteed loss.
You are so right. We need to put together a petition that will go to Dr. Paul asking him to please do this for us and our Country.
Sematary
01-08-2008, 09:52 PM
We had this discussion last summer - when you were still thinking about voting for someone else, or not thinking about voting at all - and he WON'T take the money and many of us would lose our respect for him if he did and not vote for him.
Chase
01-08-2008, 09:53 PM
I used to think matching funds would be a bad idea. Now I think you're right.
BeFranklin
01-08-2008, 09:54 PM
It limits what you can do with money, and a lot of candidates aren't taking it. If you support this idea, go research it, and tell us why those problems aren't.
WTFYO
01-08-2008, 09:55 PM
i think he should go ahead and do it. It's our tax money anyway.
Soccrmastr
01-08-2008, 09:55 PM
I think he just needs to take it... better take it and at least have a chance at winning
born2drv
01-08-2008, 09:56 PM
I also thought the matching funds was a bad idea, but I think it's vital to us now if we want to win Feb 5th.
I fully support this and I hope Ron Paul does take it.
smartguy911
01-08-2008, 09:56 PM
i say go for it. we need to push hard
Joe3113
01-08-2008, 09:57 PM
No Compromises.
kaberUSA
01-08-2008, 09:57 PM
This is what it all boils down to folks...Every candidate is going to accept matching federal funds and Paul will be at a huge huge HUGE disadvantage if he refuses them on principle. Paul's message is vitally important and if he does not to take the federal match, he will be crushed by neocon propaganda in the coming primaries.
This is a WAR for the future of our country...and to deny yourself a weapon that your enemies will be using means a guaranteed defeat. We can not let this happen.
Please write letters..send emails, and make phone calls encouraging the Paul campaign to accept the $20 million match, and to use that money to spread the message of liberty. $20 million is a drop in the bucket compared to the TRILLION dollars we will save annually if Paul is elected.
Here is the campaign contact information:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/contact/
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TruePatriot44
01-08-2008, 09:59 PM
Taking matching funds goes against everything Ron has stood for.
i think he should go ahead and do it. It's our tax money anyway.
You might be right. If he doesn't use it, some other fool like Giuliani or McCain WILL. OR they will send it overseas to Halliburton for some stupid war crap. Best to be used for a just cause. Plus since it is our tax money anyway, it would just be like another 20 million dollars worth of donations if we give him permission anyway. He's already earned that from the American people. I can totally understand the "principal" aspect though also....he doesn't want to waste the people's tax money on crap we dont need. BUT WE NEED HIM! Its a bit of a catch 22.
We had this discussion last summer - when you were still thinking about voting for someone else, or not thinking about voting at all - and he WON'T take the money and many of us would lose our respect for him if he did and not vote for him.
thats why libertarians are losers...
all idealism....no realism
Geronimo
01-08-2008, 10:04 PM
i say go for it. we need to push hard
I agree 100%
Soccrmastr
01-08-2008, 10:04 PM
He can use it. He uses earmarks but votes against the bills that ALLOW him to use the earmarks. This would be the same situation. His integrity is not jeopardized. Its the reality we need to face in this election that when something is being exploited by everyone else even if you're the most morale person you CANNOT win without exploiting along with them.
mexicanpizza
01-08-2008, 10:06 PM
But he'll keep a white supremacist's money...
I'm just saying!! ;)
TAKE THE $20MM
Henry
01-08-2008, 10:07 PM
Taking matching funds goes against everything Ron has stood for.
Why? It comes from individuals that donated, not the taxpayer.
weagle
01-08-2008, 10:07 PM
I think RP is in a very difficult uphill battle and maybe if he doesn't win we can at least convert some more poeple to his way of thinking and will give the movement a chance in 4 or 8 years. I don't know I'm torn.
BeFranklin
01-08-2008, 10:09 PM
Read up on matching funds. Its not like you think, just free matched money. Most of the candidates are rejecting it lately because of restrictions.
Before you say yes, read that, and then tell the rest of us.
Sematary
01-08-2008, 10:12 PM
thats why libertarians are losers...
all idealism....no realism
If you are willing to sacrifice your beliefs for a win then you are no better than they are.
ecliptic
01-08-2008, 10:15 PM
I used to think matching funds would be a bad idea. Now I think you're right.
And me too. Get 'er done for liberty!
webber53
01-08-2008, 10:16 PM
If Ron Paul has accepted earmarks for his
congressional district back in Texas I say
take the matching funds for Super Tuesday!
ecliptic
01-08-2008, 10:17 PM
Read up on matching funds. Its not like you think, just free matched money. Most of the candidates are rejecting it lately because of restrictions.
Before you say yes, read that, and then tell the rest of us.
Oh...
ChooseLiberty
01-08-2008, 10:18 PM
and one thousand
He can use it. He uses earmarks but votes against the bills that ALLOW him to use the earmarks. This would be the same situation. His integrity is not jeopardized. Its the reality we need to face in this election that when something is being exploited by everyone else even if you're the most morale person you CANNOT win without exploiting along with them.
hummtide
01-08-2008, 10:20 PM
everyone, email the campaign and tell them if we want to win super tuesday, we have to get the money.
Libertarian
01-08-2008, 10:56 PM
Please take 2 minutes to contact the campaign folks. They keep a record of every request like this. For every person who contacts them, they assume 50 supporters feel the same way.
RonPaulVolunteer
01-08-2008, 10:58 PM
He should take it, but he won't... The Constitution has no provision for it. It would unravel the entire campaign instantly...
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kill the banks
01-08-2008, 11:11 PM
He should take it, but he won't... The Constitution has no provision for it. It would unravel the entire campaign instantly...
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i'm afraid you will only win your case with him if you prove it constitutional and morally correct ... any brilliant constitutional essays out there
or forget it
kill the banks
it's a battle of ideas ~ they are the "neoconned" globalist elite ~ we are the constitution
my generation tried to change it with JFK RFK MLK ~ they shot us !!!
http://www.rprradio.com/
BlutStein
01-08-2008, 11:12 PM
I don't care if all the other folks take the money. It simply isn't right and it will make us stand out. We will probably still be hurt by it but it doesn't matter. We are in this because the system is messed up and we have a principled platform that we are running on. Weakening our stance will not do us any favors because it will only get pointed out and turned back on us.
If the message was truly meant to get out, it will get out the right way.
hellsingfan
01-08-2008, 11:14 PM
I have been long against this, and I say that what RP stood for would change! But it is OUR money, so We the People SHOULD have it, sign a petition and send it to Dr. Paul. Tell Dr. Paul that ALWAYS carry this petition with him, and if anyone questions him, just shove this petition IN THEIR FACES, and then tell them that he didn't take the MONEY, IT WAS THE PEOPLE, because this campaign BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE!!!!
CrazyRonPaulSupporter
01-08-2008, 11:21 PM
If it means to save our country: YES!!! Take the money!
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werdd
01-08-2008, 11:22 PM
i used to think it was a bad idea, but we gotta play this shit like the establishment would..... i say take the horseshit socialist crap, then destroy it when he gets in office.
NYgs23
01-08-2008, 11:23 PM
Well, I can't think of a better way to spend tax dollars, but it's his decision.
honkywill
01-08-2008, 11:26 PM
if he can earmark bills for his district he can accept matching funds for his country.
MJfromCT
01-08-2008, 11:35 PM
Take the matching funds, demand hand counts and use OUR money to win
Libertarian
01-09-2008, 02:04 AM
Paul should take this money and spend it all by Super Tuesday...every penny. Get this message into the consciousness of every American, and have a blowout victory.
rice_classic
01-09-2008, 02:14 AM
Don't push RP to sell out. His principles is what makes him RP!
If he says one thing and does another he's no better than the rest of them.
Bacon
01-09-2008, 03:08 AM
What don't you people understand? This money comes VOLUNTARILY from voters. YES, Ron Paul should accept this money. Campaign says they need another $20million.. well there you go! We'll give them the extra $3 million on MLK Money Bomb. We go into Super Tuesday rolling!
BeFranklin
01-09-2008, 03:08 AM
i'm afraid you will only win your case with him if you prove it constitutional and morally correct ... any brilliant constitutional essays out there
or forget it
http://www.rprradio.com/
I looked to see if Congress's ability to regulate elections might give them say in using federal means of advertising as opposed to public, alas:
Section 4. The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing Senators.
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
...
Article. II: Section 1
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
Congress has less constitutional authority to regulate presidential elections than congressional elections.
I think a reverse argument is needed. If Congress never had the authority to take the money from us in the first place, we are entitled to get it back. If Congress offers a method to get that money back, we ought to be able to accept, although we don't approve of the system in the first place.
I'm looking at the federal budget now. hmmm, did Congress take any money from us that was unconstitutional, and therefore is ours anyway?
BeFranklin
01-09-2008, 03:09 AM
Hmmm. Still looking. This is taking a long time! :) j/k
Indy Vidual
01-09-2008, 03:11 AM
It limits what you can do with money, and a lot of candidates aren't taking it. If you support this idea, go research it, and tell us why those problems aren't.
This matches what I've heard before.
dvictr
01-09-2008, 03:17 AM
Boo
tgannaway89
01-09-2008, 03:29 AM
I'd support Dr. Paul if he took the money that we paid. I'd rather him get his share than the other candidates.
Kilrain
01-09-2008, 03:36 AM
I really think that it is up to Dr. Paul to decide. If he decides to do it, fine. If he decides not to do it, that's fine, too. Let's show some trust, people.
volando
01-09-2008, 04:16 AM
judging by his record of practicing what he preaches i have very little doubt he will NEVER accept government money... the extra $20m would go a long way though :-\...
noztnac
01-09-2008, 04:23 AM
He should take it and immediately return it to the treasury to pay the national debt.
...and everyone in America should see him do it.
defcreative
01-09-2008, 04:29 AM
He should take it and immediately return it to the treasury to pay the national debt.
...and everyone in America should see him do it.
While thats a nice gesture, really spending it on advertising to get his message of freedom out to the masses would be a lot more useful.
stewie3128
01-09-2008, 04:40 AM
Matching funds ain't gonna happen - RP will not let his campaign survive off the public dole. The man won't even take a publically-funded pension for god's sake.
Accepting matching funds would also bite the whole message in the ass: You're talking about curtailing spending, shrinking the size of gov't, and giving taxpayers more freedom to do what they want with their money, then you turn around and make them pay for your campaign? Not a chance with this candidate. He's nothing if not supremely principled.
JohnnyWrath
01-09-2008, 04:44 AM
NO
Slist
01-09-2008, 04:54 AM
What about taking the money AND giving it back to the taxpayers somehow. Or burn it in order to fight inflation :-)
That would get some media attention, wouldn't it????
Mogwai
01-09-2008, 05:21 AM
I believe we need to go all in, 40 million or 20 million that's a lot more commercials.
Can somebody start a petition for this?
Tn...Andy
01-09-2008, 05:34 AM
thats why libertarians are losers...
all idealism....no realism
exactamundo.
kutibah
01-09-2008, 07:13 AM
Ron Paul will NOT lose any voters because he took matching funds that every other candidate took. If he doesn't, it would be a real disadvantage for our campaign.
RonRules
01-09-2008, 07:36 AM
Matching funds are VOLUNTARY. They are not a tax and people are free to make that decision. Use the money!!
RonRules
01-09-2008, 07:38 AM
Should Romney or a very wealthy man like Bloomberg be allowed to get federal matching funds? I'm not sure, what do you guys think?
BillyDkid
01-09-2008, 08:10 AM
I absolutely agree. We already have the handicap of the media ignoring us and marginalizing us. Every other campaign will only too happy to take that public money and glut the airwaves. It may be against Dr. Paul's principles, but it is what the law is now and it's just stupid not to take advantage of it. There are bigger things at stake here than just this one principle right now.
disciple
01-09-2008, 08:23 AM
Yes.
tsetsefly
01-09-2008, 08:30 AM
Read up on matching funds. Its not like you think, just free matched money. Most of the candidates are rejecting it lately because of restrictions.
Before you say yes, read that, and then tell the rest of us.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
FreedomPlz
01-09-2008, 09:01 AM
definately take it. 20 million, and how much would we save the country in the future.
Jaredh
01-09-2008, 09:17 AM
This would work real well....
At giving the MSM the ammo they need against him.
I mean they already tried to get him on his earmark bills. IMO this would most certainly be used against him. (especially if ALL candidates ARE NOT taking the money as well) I just don't like this idea, it seems like a surefire way to backfire on everyone.
I'm really not worried about losing current RP supporters. Alas though, with the MSM pounding this home, he would be torn apart. (it won't matter what other candidates have as far as inconsistencies, RP will be dean'ed).
DeafPalmdale
01-09-2008, 09:30 AM
How about creating a poll and see what everyone say?
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