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Dave Wood
01-08-2008, 07:56 PM
pay attention. I, for one am very worried about RP and his family. These people have proven their control and it runs deep.

This event is obvious to me. I am a believer now...call me a "truther".

Anyone here who cant see it by now, you are simply hopeless.

New hampshire and Iowa were nothing but circuses to entertain the masses. Its all bought and paid for well ahead of time.

The question is who continues to lead this movement. Elections are a thing of the past. Fascism is here ladies and gentlemen, and its not going away because some stupid voters dont like it..

Real_CaGeD
01-08-2008, 07:57 PM
+1

hells_unicorn
01-08-2008, 07:58 PM
pay attention. I, for one am very worried about RP and his family. These people have proven their control and it runs deep.

This event is obvious to me. I am a believer now...call me a "truther".

Anyone here who cant see it by now, you are simply hopeless.

New hampshire and Iowa were nothing but circuses to entertain the masses. Its all bought and paid for well ahead of time.

The question is who continues to lead this movement. Elections are a thing of the past. Fascism is here ladies and gentlemen, and its not going away because some stupid voters dont like it..

Unfortunately if this is true, there is only one way to end a fascist state, and I dread the future if this is what is to be. If you believe in God, this is the time to start praying.

FreedomProsperityPeace
01-08-2008, 07:58 PM
Anyone who has been watching this presidential run has to suspect something is fishy.

greves
01-08-2008, 07:58 PM
Also unfortunately, no one here will believe this.

hellah10
01-08-2008, 07:59 PM
pay attention. I, for one am very worried about RP and his family. These people have proven their control and it runs deep.

This event is obvious to me. I am a believer now...call me a "truther".

Anyone here who cant see it by now, you are simply hopeless.

New hampshire and Iowa were nothing but circuses to entertain the masses. Its all bought and paid for well ahead of time.

The question is who continues to lead this movement. Elections are a thing of the past. Fascism is here ladies and gentlemen, and its not going away because some stupid voters dont like it..

+1

DarkReign
01-08-2008, 07:59 PM
Evidence please.

pacelli
01-08-2008, 07:59 PM
"The answer to 1984 is 1776".

-Alex Jones.

CountryRoads
01-08-2008, 08:00 PM
+1776

CountryRoads
01-08-2008, 08:00 PM
"Its not the people voting that matter, its the people counting the votes" - Joseph Stalin

deedles
01-08-2008, 08:01 PM
I believe it.

lew
01-08-2008, 08:01 PM
And stupid crap like this is why Paul lost.


Because of his lousy Campaign Staff and because of the percentage of crazy supporters.

snaFU
01-08-2008, 08:01 PM
/snore the freaking wacko conspiracy nuts never quit.

Karsten
01-08-2008, 08:01 PM
Alex predicted Ron Paul would come in 2nd in New Hampshire. Some predictive power.

Greenskin
01-08-2008, 08:01 PM
From all the reports not many young people voted, and the ones that were there voted for Obama.

No conspiracy, just American people are guided by bad leaders and biased media.

NerveShocker
01-08-2008, 08:02 PM
Sometimes the truth is the hardest to believe ;( But it's definitely out there.

tsetsefly
01-08-2008, 08:03 PM
Unfortunately if this is true, there is only one way to end a fascist state, and I dread the future if this is what is to be. If you believe in God, this is the time to start praying.

Thomas Sowell was right, we are approaching a time when only a coup will save this country.. but for now we can still elect congressmen, if a CFR shill is elected, expect war with Iran adn a draft, thsi will be our chance...

RSLudlum
01-08-2008, 08:03 PM
Unfortunately if this is true, there is only one way to end a fascist state, and I dread the future if this is what is to be. If you believe in God, this is the time to start praying.\


time for God n Guns?? :(

skinzterpswizfan
01-08-2008, 08:05 PM
And stupid shit like this is why Paul lost.


Because of his fucking lousy Campaign Staff and because of the percentage of fucking crazy supporters.

+1

Just face it guys, we lost. The media gave us no help whatsoever and that just wasn't enough to overcome compared to all the other "mainstream" ones that got day after day of coverage. It's hard to convince people someone isn't a fringe candidate when that person gets no coverage.

DarkReign
01-08-2008, 08:05 PM
Also unfortunately, no one here will believe this.

Market Anarchy FTW.

RevolutionSD
01-08-2008, 08:06 PM
Alex predicted Ron Paul would come in 2nd in New Hampshire. Some predictive power.

No, he did not say this.
I listened to Alex today, he said 2nd would be HUGE but he didn't expect it.
Jones hinted that he thought things would not go well and he knew why.

Dave Wood
01-08-2008, 08:06 PM
From all the reports not many young people voted, and the ones that were there voted for Obama.

No conspiracy, just American people are guided by bad leaders and biased media.


who runs that media...

Dave Wood
01-08-2008, 08:07 PM
+1

Just face it guys, we lost. The media gave us no help whatsoever and that just wasn't enough to overcome compared to all the other "mainstream" ones that got day after day of coverage. It's hard to convince people someone isn't a fringe candidate when that person gets no coverage.

Why didnt they get coverage from the begining?

Spike
01-08-2008, 08:07 PM
People who don't believe it are sunshine patriots, summer soldiers, cowards. etc.

You put election fraud above the establishment?

The people in power will do anything to stay in power. They don't even like Obama.

Get a clue. Election fraud is as American as apple pie.

Paulinian
01-08-2008, 08:08 PM
Alex predicted that Paul *could* take 2nd place, but he also predicted that a 4th place finish would basically be the end of this campaign. Alex has also been warning for weeks now that the voting in NH could wind up being easily rigged. Turns out it was. We move on from here. No longer as an "elect Ron Paul" movement, but as an "we oppose the NWO" movement.

QuesoPantera
01-08-2008, 08:09 PM
pay attention. I, for one am very worried about RP and his family. These people have proven their control and it runs deep.

This event is obvious to me. I am a believer now...call me a "truther".

Anyone here who cant see it by now, you are simply hopeless.

New hampshire and Iowa were nothing but circuses to entertain the masses. Its all bought and paid for well ahead of time.

The question is who continues to lead this movement. Elections are a thing of the past. Fascism is here ladies and gentlemen, and its not going away because some stupid voters dont like it..

I'm always VERY gun-shy about the conspiracies

think what you want, but I am an individual and I think 9/11 truth, with the evidence we have now, is fucking bullshit.

But Giuliani keeping a half-step ahead all night - conveniently just enough to make the "blank piece of the pie" seem like a credible omission... this stinks to high hell. I've been watching the polls. the Ghoul doesn't have a foot Army of our caliber, and certainly can't sway the independents with his "freedom through authority" message.

I draw one of two credible conclusions at this point: Either Diebold is up to something or the American public is way to retarded for me to put up with anymore. Bear in mind I say - at this point. I know, 47 states to go, but if you've been following the whole race like I have, this is not adding up!

Before we all go off the deep end, let's ask the campaign and the state for hand recounts. Ask early, ask often.

aoahuj
01-08-2008, 08:10 PM
LOl u guyz

I am 20 years old

I was a "truther" probably when I was 13. I just was never retarded and propaganda doesnt work on me.


think about it this way guys. just lieve your life.

if there is an afterlife, yay. if there isn't, then none of this shit matters anyway.

i personally believe in the afterlife (but it aint a christian or muslim one. I believe the purpose of this life is to live in our fleshly body and somehow our spirits learn from this experiance, and after we die our spirits return to the nether and whatever happens in the afterlife happens).



but i also know ehhhh there is a possibility that there is no afterlife, in which case, none of this shit matters does it lawl






moral of the story: dont worry, be happy

do what you want. i find happiness in fighting the new world order and trying to be healthy and trying to be informed.

but in the end, YOU WIN when you decide to never let them make you unhappy.

be happy, even when death stares you in the face






also, remember, only a fool fights a battle he cant win

live to fight another day if possible

Malakai0
01-08-2008, 08:10 PM
Anyone who has been watching this presidential run has to suspect something is fishy.

No doubt. Blatant national media lies being the tip of the iceberg...


I have listened to AJ for about 6 months. Do I believe everything he says? God no, of course not. I don't blatantly disbelieve anything either, because where money and politicians are concerned, anything is possible.

Should you discount him because of that? Not at all, he does good research and knows history quite well. He just gets a little overzealous at times.

govtpigII
01-08-2008, 08:11 PM
Unfortunately if this is true, there is only one way to end a fascist state, and I dread the future if this is what is to be. If you believe in God, this is the time to start praying.

I don't believe in god, but I do believe in getting a gun

steve005
01-08-2008, 08:11 PM
I completely agree! I know his poll numbers aren't going to rise much higher, even though his support will keep rising, I've been telling everyone I can at school and this just motivates me to do it more, the more people who find out about Ron Paul the more will learn the truth

1913_to_2008
01-08-2008, 08:12 PM
Evidence please.

Right here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=209123181886099053&q=usa+elections+rigged&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

RevolutionSD
01-08-2008, 08:13 PM
"9/11 truth is bullshit!"

That's one of the dumbest things I've seen posted.

I guess the 9/11 lies are truth then!

sorry, i'm frustrated, it's been a rough night, but this kind of talk is just ignorant.

Joe3113
01-08-2008, 08:14 PM
I think we need to stop hiding who we really are. The other strategy has not worked.

dannno
01-08-2008, 08:14 PM
black blimps :eek:


Alex Jones is da man :cool:

barbz
01-08-2008, 08:14 PM
Sometimes the truth is the hardest to believe ;( But it's definitely out there.

sad but true

1913_to_2008
01-08-2008, 08:14 PM
I'm always VERY gun-shy about the conspiracies

think what you want, but I am an individual and I think 9/11 truth, with the evidence we have now, is fucking bullshit.

But Giuliani keeping a half-step ahead all night - conveniently just enough to make the "blank piece of the pie" seem like a credible omission... this stinks to high hell. I've been watching the polls. the Ghoul doesn't have a foot Army of our caliber, and certainly can't sway the independents with his "freedom through authority" message.

I draw one of two credible conclusions at this point: Either Diebold is up to something or the American public is way to retarded for me to put up with anymore. Bear in mind I say - at this point. I know, 47 states to go, but if you've been following the whole race like I have, this is not adding up!

Before we all go off the deep end, let's ask the campaign and the state for hand recounts. Ask early, ask often.

+1

JanusFIN
01-08-2008, 08:14 PM
And stupid shit like this is why Paul lost.


Because of his fucking lousy Campaign Staff and because of the percentage of fucking crazy supporters.

I ask you:

If attack begins, and enemy shoot at you, do you accuse your own generals from that? And if your friend doesnt hit in his first shot, do you accuse him too?

This Is Really Traitors Language! :mad:

fedup100
01-08-2008, 08:16 PM
"The answer to 1984 is 1776".

-Alex Jones.

+1

1913_to_2008
01-08-2008, 08:16 PM
I think we need to stop hiding who we really are. The other strategy has not worked.

+1

Paulitics08
01-08-2008, 08:17 PM
pay attention. I, for one am very worried about RP and his family. These people have proven their control and it runs deep.

This event is obvious to me. I am a believer now...call me a "truther".

Anyone here who cant see it by now, you are simply hopeless.

New hampshire and Iowa were nothing but circuses to entertain the masses. Its all bought and paid for well ahead of time.

The question is who continues to lead this movement. Elections are a thing of the past. Fascism is here ladies and gentlemen, and its not going away because some stupid voters dont like it..

Amen

d991
01-08-2008, 08:19 PM
lol of course its a conspiracy.. if you don't get a result you want it must be.....................

The reason I hate conspiracy theorists so much is this: Its much more devious than a secret cabal of men in suits rigging an election by hacking voting machines. It is the massive ignorance of the population, the "proles". I blame no one other than the sheep.

Paulitics08
01-08-2008, 08:19 PM
"It's not who votes that counts. It's who counts the votes." Joseph Stalin.

N13
01-08-2008, 08:21 PM
Strange circle jerk going on in here.

hells_unicorn
01-08-2008, 08:23 PM
lol of course its a conspiracy.. if you don't get a result you want it must be.....................

The reason I hate conspiracy theorists so much is this: Its much more devious than a secret cabal of men in suits rigging an election by hacking voting machines. It is the massive ignorance of the population, the "proles". I blame no one other than the sheep.

Men do not simply become sheep, they have to first be duped by a false shepherd into following rather than leading. The Proletariat did not exist until Marx coined the term and Rothschild financed the forces.

tmg19103
01-08-2008, 08:23 PM
You know how I know this was not rigged?

How did our country get so fucked up in the first place? It's idiots voting with no true understanding of what is wrong with our country voting for politicians for whom they don't even understand what evil they represent.

I believe this vote. The VAST majority of Americans don't really care bout civil liberties or freedom because they have not seen or have not noticed it affect them personally - even though they should have.

While our economy is a hollow shell, most Americans live a decent lifestyle and seem to think it is OK to have $10,000 in credit card debt and no retirement savings, and yet they have no understanding of what is really wrong with our economy and how all Hell will break lose in the coming months to years.

As for Republicans, the majority of the base has bought the GOP and Fox fearmongering and warmongering in regards to Iraq and the "war" on terror.

Fact is, RP has intelligent supporters and the vast majority of Americans, I am sorry to say, are clueless. So yes, I believe the votes are correct.

What is contrived is the big media, big government and big corporation message that the sheeple eat up. So, in a way it is rigged - but I don't think the votes are. It's more along the lines of fascist thought control.

paulette
01-08-2008, 08:23 PM
pay attention. I, for one am very worried about RP and his family. These people have proven their control and it runs deep.

This event is obvious to me. I am a believer now...call me a "truther".

Anyone here who cant see it by now, you are simply hopeless.

New hampshire and Iowa were nothing but circuses to entertain the masses. Its all bought and paid for well ahead of time.

The question is who continues to lead this movement. Elections are a thing of the past. Fascism is here ladies and gentlemen, and its not going away because some stupid voters dont like it..


I have read this entire thread. I've gone back to the original post to QFT.

RonPauledbyYoutube
01-08-2008, 08:24 PM
I believe the bible prophesies regarding the endtimes. We are in them. I don't think we can stop the NWO but I refuse to contribute. Perhaps the following president will contribute big time to the endtimes. It ain't going to be easy friends. Brace yourselves. We might even fight a good freedom loving war but we won't defeat them. We'll only die sooner. Then we who are in Christ will meet Him in the clouds. That is the hope of GLORY!

Sam_Adams
01-08-2008, 08:25 PM
+1 No one has so much control that they can rig a national election. If there were truly widespread voter fraud, we'd have heard about it BIG TIME. There are still enough large media companies out there that hate each other that one of the two would blow this out of the water.

They buy it before hand with a large, consolidated press. We pay for it with an immensely STOOPID populace.

AnalogDan
01-08-2008, 08:26 PM
Evidence please.

Do your own research bro. Don't sit on your ass and ask someone to prove it to you. Evidence is everywhere. Read Naomi Wolf. Educate yourself.

Richandler
01-08-2008, 08:26 PM
Yah, what exactly was Alex Jones right about? The media chooses the election yes. That is known. How else would the prepare these segments so far in advance. It's like having the death memoir videos ready as certain celebrities get older. It's all about who can have the best coverage. Stop watching these news entertainment channels is the only solution. Stop watching them on youtube stop watching them everywhere. Get your news somewhere else. It's not like most news affects you. Laws written, yes those affect you, but you can see what is happening on the governments website. From here on out the only thing we can do is keep the constitution alive. Learn it, memorize it and argue with it. Make sure people know what the constitution says. Article 1 section 8, Amendment 10 these are very important things that no one seems to know or care about. Spread information. That is all you can hope for. Remind people they can pick and choose parts of their constitution.

kaleidoscope eyes
01-08-2008, 08:29 PM
You know how I know this was not rigged?

How did our country get so fucked up in the first place? It's idiots voting with no true understanding of what is wrong with our country voting for politicians for whom they don't even understand what evil they represent.

I believe this vote. The VAST majority of Americans don't really care bout civil liberties or freedom because they have not seen or have not noticed it affect them personally - even though they should have.

While our economy is a hollow shell, most Americans live a decent lifestyle and seem to think it is OK to have $10,000 in credit card debt and no retirement savings, and yet they have no understanding of what is really wrong with our economy and how all Hell will break lose in the coming months to years.

As for Republicans, the majority of the base has bought the GOP and Fox fearmongering and warmongering in regards to Iraq and the "war" on terror.

Fact is, RP has intelligent supporters and the vast majority of Americans, I am sorry to say, are clueless. So yes, I believe the votes are correct.

What is contrived is the big media, big government and big corporation message that the sheeple eat up. So, in a way it is rigged - but I don't think the votes are. It's more along the lines of fascist thought control.
+1

aoahuj
01-08-2008, 08:32 PM
You know how I know this was not rigged?

How did our country get so fucked up in the first place? It's idiots voting with no true understanding of what is wrong with our country voting for politicians for whom they don't even understand what evil they represent.

I believe this vote. The VAST majority of Americans don't really care bout civil liberties or freedom because they have not seen or have not noticed it affect them personally - even though they should have.

While our economy is a hollow shell, most Americans live a decent lifestyle and seem to think it is OK to have $10,000 in credit card debt and no retirement savings, and yet they have no understanding of what is really wrong with our economy and how all Hell will break lose in the coming months to years.

As for Republicans, the majority of the base has bought the GOP and Fox fearmongering and warmongering in regards to Iraq and the "war" on terror.

Fact is, RP has intelligent supporters and the vast majority of Americans, I am sorry to say, are clueless. So yes, I believe the votes are correct.

What is contrived is the big media, big government and big corporation message that the sheeple eat up. So, in a way it is rigged - but I don't think the votes are. It's more along the lines of fascist thought control.

if only u knew the truth... u'd crap ur pantz ^_^

Srg1
01-08-2008, 08:34 PM
/snore the freaking wacko conspiracy nuts never quit.

Is that all u do on here is dismiss ppl thinking? Im tired of u calling everything a conspiracy when someone says something that strays away from the norm.Its geting old, alot of ron paul supporters are so called truthers..so face the facts

Mark37snj
01-08-2008, 08:39 PM
11,658...11,658...we Had That Many NH Meetup Members And Active Supporters, You Can't Tell Me We Did Not Get A Hell Of A Lot More Votes...

LIVE FREE OR DIE STATE...RECORD TURNOUT...RON PAULS MESSAGE...OUR PATHETIC COMPETITION...YEAH RIGHT!!!

EDIT: Spelling

911cartoon
01-08-2008, 08:39 PM
where did u get alex's response to NH?

Bryan Duckworth
01-08-2008, 08:39 PM
This vote was definitely fraud. If you can't see that, you are no better than the people voting for McCain.

It's much easier to commit a little fraud now and destroy our momentum, than to worry about Paul getting even bigger later.

Real_CaGeD
01-08-2008, 08:43 PM
Hey, they did 911.

1913_to_2008
01-08-2008, 08:45 PM
+1 No one has so much control that they can rig a national election. If there were truly widespread voter fraud, we'd have heard about it BIG TIME. There are still enough large media companies out there that hate each other that one of the two would blow this out of the water.

They buy it before hand with a large, consolidated press. We pay for it with an immensely STOOPID populace.

Here you go, information on the machines right from the guy who wrote the program to rig the vote. Yes, he's testifying in court. MAybe nexy time do some research..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=3

Bryan Duckworth
01-08-2008, 08:45 PM
And what is the deal with the mods hating on everything I do?

I can't have an Alex Jones Avatar and I couldn't have NewWorldOrderly as my user name?

WTF is the deal? Alex Jones MADE this campaign.

Mesogen
01-08-2008, 08:45 PM
11,658...11,658...we Had That Many NH Meetup Members And Active Supporters, You Cant Tell Me When Did Not Get A Hell Of A Lot More Votes...

LIVE FREE OR DIE STATE...RECORD TURNOUT...RON PAULS MESSAGE...OUR PATHETIC COMPETITION...YEAH RIGHT!!!

There should be a petition drive for all of these people. All would be signatures to an affidavit declaring that they voted for Ron Paul.

Make hay out of this. Who can we contact to do something like this?

Someone in the NH meetups?

Mark37snj
01-08-2008, 08:47 PM
I'm always VERY gun-shy about the conspiracies

think what you want, but I am an individual and I think 9/11 truth, with the evidence we have now, is fucking bullshit.

But Giuliani keeping a half-step ahead all night - conveniently just enough to make the "blank piece of the pie" seem like a credible omission... this stinks to high hell. I've been watching the polls. the Ghoul doesn't have a foot Army of our caliber, and certainly can't sway the independents with his "freedom through authority" message.

I draw one of two credible conclusions at this point: Either Diebold is up to something or the American public is way to retarded for me to put up with anymore. Bear in mind I say - at this point. I know, 47 states to go, but if you've been following the whole race like I have, this is not adding up!

Before we all go off the deep end, let's ask the campaign and the state for hand recounts. Ask early, ask often.


EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY, AND THE RECOUNT "IS" THE BEST THING THE CAMPAIGN CAN SPEND MONEY ON IF THEY REALLY WANT TO WIN.

Paulbot_9876
01-08-2008, 08:47 PM
1776

Bryan Duckworth
01-08-2008, 08:49 PM
And what is the deal with the mods hating on everything I do?

I can't have an Alex Jones Avatar and I couldn't have NewWorldOrderly as my user name?

WTF is the deal? Alex Jones MADE this campaign.


I'm fucking tired of being censored by this board. What the fuck?! Real libertarian.

Shink
01-08-2008, 09:00 PM
This vote was definitely fraud. If you can't see that, you are no better than the people voting for McCain.

It's much easier to commit a little fraud now and destroy our momentum, than to worry about Paul getting even bigger later.

“The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.” --Hitler

Hacking Democracy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201&q=hacking+democracy+site%3Avideo.google.com&total=6&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

ksu_s13
01-08-2008, 09:05 PM
My thoughts...

1.) It is a proven fact that the media has been proactive in their censorship of Ron Paul throughout his presidential campaign. The turnout at of Ron Paul supporters for the AC360 show, and the fact that they were written off as nothing more than a fluke illustrate this.

2.) The media/establishment has worked to downplay Ron Paul's support when in point of fact he's raised more money than any other candidate in 24 hours in US history, has more meetup members than any other candidate, and had people rent out a blimp for him. The notion that none of this was significant to warrant as much free media coverage as John McCain/etc is laughable at best.

3.) Ron Paul's finish in NH may suggest that our political system is beyond salvage. I reject the notion that Ron Paul's message/grassroots support wasn't significant enough to garner less than 8% of the vote in the most libertarian state in the country.

4.) The touch screen voting machines are a scam, and the Feds didn't call it the "Help America Vote Act" for nothing.

5.) Whether or not it's our "misguided" fellow countrymen, or our corrupted political system/officials, everyone should start making plans for the worst. At the end of the day ensuring you and your family's life, liberty, and property is what's most important. Just because others were too blind to see what's coming doesn't mean that we have to be.

Feel free to add this links to your favorites and show them your business.
http://beprepared.com/
http://rockriverarms.com/
http://www.ammoman.com/
http://www.kitco.com/

ButchHowdy
01-08-2008, 09:09 PM
Stop blaming the Establishment, and worse yet, stop blaming the campaign!

Our problem is the apathy or sheeple syndrome of the United States

Proctor
01-08-2008, 09:13 PM
"The answer to 1984 is 1776".

-Alex Jones.

What significance was 1984? I'm not being an asshole, I've just never known why Jones said 1984.

1913_to_2008
01-08-2008, 09:15 PM
George ORwells' book 1984

Bryan Duckworth
01-08-2008, 09:15 PM
What significance was 1984? I'm not being an asshole, I've just never known why Jones said 1984.

Have you read the book?

Proctor
01-08-2008, 09:16 PM
Have you read the book?

No...and I'm in the process of reading 'Blowback' right now :p

acroso
01-08-2008, 09:17 PM
...Ok people....this election is a serious success. We are building a movement. Who knows maybe 4 more years of neocons and they will be ready for change with a new and different candidate.

don't be pessemistic.

We might be able to stop McCain too by taking votes.

ksu_s13
01-08-2008, 09:18 PM
What significance was 1984? I'm not being an asshole, I've just never known why Jones said 1984.

http://www.amazon.com/Animal-Farm-1984-George-Orwell/dp/0151010269/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199852230&sr=8-1

Buy that copy and read it. It has Animal Farm and 1984. I won't spoil the plot for you.;)

Proctor
01-08-2008, 09:18 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Animal-Farm-1984-George-Orwell/dp/0151010269/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199852230&sr=8-1

Buy that copy and ready it. It has Animal Farm and 1984. I won't spoil the plot for you.;)

I read Animal Farm :P

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:20 PM
And stupid shit like this is why Paul lost.


Because of his fucking lousy Campaign Staff and because of the percentage of fucking crazy supporters.


ignore list

ksu_s13
01-08-2008, 09:20 PM
I read Animal Farm :P

Read 1984 after you finish reading Blowback. It's Orwell's best work.

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:21 PM
/snore the freaking wacko conspiracy nuts never quit.


ignore list

PlzPeopleWakeUp
01-08-2008, 09:21 PM
nt

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:22 PM
Alex predicted Ron Paul would come in 2nd in New Hampshire. Some predictive power.

ignore list

HalogenFlood
01-08-2008, 09:22 PM
-1

rational explanation on how this is a circus please.

HalogenFlood
01-08-2008, 09:23 PM
And stupid shit like this is why Paul lost.


Because of his fucking lousy Campaign Staff and because of the percentage of fucking crazy supporters.

QFT

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:23 PM
+1

Just face it guys, we lost. The media gave us no help whatsoever and that just wasn't enough to overcome compared to all the other "mainstream" ones that got day after day of coverage. It's hard to convince people someone isn't a fringe candidate when that person gets no coverage.


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Young_Apprentice
01-08-2008, 09:25 PM
Sorry to disappoint the "truthers" but the truth just isn't as sexy and exciting as you'd like to believe. People are just that ignorant. The MSM is just that powerful.

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:26 PM
I'm always VERY gun-shy about the conspiracies

think what you want, but I am an individual and I think 9/11 truth, with the evidence we have now, is fucking bullshit.

But Giuliani keeping a half-step ahead all night - conveniently just enough to make the "blank piece of the pie" seem like a credible omission... this stinks to high hell. I've been watching the polls. the Ghoul doesn't have a foot Army of our caliber, and certainly can't sway the independents with his "freedom through authority" message.

I draw one of two credible conclusions at this point: Either Diebold is up to something or the American public is way to retarded for me to put up with anymore. Bear in mind I say - at this point. I know, 47 states to go, but if you've been following the whole race like I have, this is not adding up!

Before we all go off the deep end, let's ask the campaign and the state for hand recounts. Ask early, ask often.

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Malakai0
01-08-2008, 09:26 PM
You know how I know this was not rigged?

How did our country get so fucked up in the first place? It's idiots voting with no true understanding of what is wrong with our country voting for politicians for whom they don't even understand what evil they represent.

I believe this vote. The VAST majority of Americans don't really care bout civil liberties or freedom because they have not seen or have not noticed it affect them personally - even though they should have.

While our economy is a hollow shell, most Americans live a decent lifestyle and seem to think it is OK to have $10,000 in credit card debt and no retirement savings, and yet they have no understanding of what is really wrong with our economy and how all Hell will break lose in the coming months to years.

As for Republicans, the majority of the base has bought the GOP and Fox fearmongering and warmongering in regards to Iraq and the "war" on terror.

Fact is, RP has intelligent supporters and the vast majority of Americans, I am sorry to say, are clueless. So yes, I believe the votes are correct.

What is contrived is the big media, big government and big corporation message that the sheeple eat up. So, in a way it is rigged - but I don't think the votes are. It's more along the lines of fascist thought control.

Nice, I agree with the sentiment. But voting machines have been hacked before, and proven inaccurate by universities among others.

We of course have no idea if the vote is manipulated or not, since they aren't verifiable and won't be hand recounted. They should count them more than once anyway. It's not like there are elections every day.

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:27 PM
LOl u guyz

I am 20 years old

I was a "truther" probably when I was 13. I just was never retarded and propaganda doesnt work on me.


think about it this way guys. just lieve your life.

if there is an afterlife, yay. if there isn't, then none of this shit matters anyway.

i personally believe in the afterlife (but it aint a christian or muslim one. I believe the purpose of this life is to live in our fleshly body and somehow our spirits learn from this experiance, and after we die our spirits return to the nether and whatever happens in the afterlife happens).



but i also know ehhhh there is a possibility that there is no afterlife, in which case, none of this shit matters does it lawl






moral of the story: dont worry, be happy

do what you want. i find happiness in fighting the new world order and trying to be healthy and trying to be informed.

but in the end, YOU WIN when you decide to never let them make you unhappy.

be happy, even when death stares you in the face






also, remember, only a fool fights a battle he cant win

live to fight another day if possible

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Djentrify
01-08-2008, 09:29 PM
pay attention. I, for one am very worried about RP and his family. These people have proven their control and it runs deep.

This event is obvious to me. I am a believer now...call me a "truther".

Anyone here who cant see it by now, you are simply hopeless.

New hampshire and Iowa were nothing but circuses to entertain the masses. Its all bought and paid for well ahead of time.

The question is who continues to lead this movement. Elections are a thing of the past. Fascism is here ladies and gentlemen, and its not going away because some stupid voters dont like it..

Why would they assassinate him? He's polled at 8% Why would that be needed?

Revolution9
01-08-2008, 09:30 PM
I ask you:

If attack begins, and enemy shoot at you, do you accuse your own generals from that? And if your friend doesnt hit in his first shot, do you accuse him too?

This Is Really Traitors Language! :mad:

Nail that punk to the Patriots Tree.

Randy

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:30 PM
"9/11 truth is bullshit!"

That's one of the dumbest things I've seen posted.

I guess the 9/11 lies are truth then!

sorry, i'm frustrated, it's been a rough night, but this kind of talk is just ignorant.


Just do what I did and put the bastard on your ignore list and you'll never have to see his ugly face again

PatriotOne
01-08-2008, 09:31 PM
...

PaultheSaint
01-08-2008, 09:32 PM
Personally I think it's a little but of everything. Lazy Americans, uneducated Americans, a shady political system, the elite polling strings. Really no one source to blaim except maybe for our own complacency. People need to get active locally, statewide and nation wide. If we don't soon, the establihment will continue to run every aspect of our lives and then some. It's all on us really

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:32 PM
I ask you:

If attack begins, and enemy shoot at you, do you accuse your own generals from that? And if your friend doesnt hit in his first shot, do you accuse him too?

This Is Really Traitors Language! :mad:


Absolutely. And I put that bastard on my ignore list too

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:33 PM
lol of course its a conspiracy.. if you don't get a result you want it must be.....................

The reason I hate conspiracy theorists so much is this: Its much more devious than a secret cabal of men in suits rigging an election by hacking voting machines. It is the massive ignorance of the population, the "proles". I blame no one other than the sheep.

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Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:36 PM
Yah, what exactly was Alex Jones right about? The media chooses the election yes. That is known. How else would the prepare these segments so far in advance. It's like having the death memoir videos ready as certain celebrities get older. It's all about who can have the best coverage. Stop watching these news entertainment channels is the only solution. Stop watching them on youtube stop watching them everywhere. Get your news somewhere else. It's not like most news affects you. Laws written, yes those affect you, but you can see what is happening on the governments website. From here on out the only thing we can do is keep the constitution alive. Learn it, memorize it and argue with it. Make sure people know what the constitution says. Article 1 section 8, Amendment 10 these are very important things that no one seems to know or care about. Spread information. That is all you can hope for. Remind people they can pick and choose parts of their constitution.

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Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:38 PM
11,658...11,658...we Had That Many NH Meetup Members And Active Supporters, You Cant Tell Me When Did Not Get A Hell Of A Lot More Votes...

LIVE FREE OR DIE STATE...RECORD TURNOUT...RON PAULS MESSAGE...OUR PATHETIC COMPETITION...YEAH RIGHT!!!

+1

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:40 PM
And what is the deal with the mods hating on everything I do?

I can't have an Alex Jones Avatar and I couldn't have NewWorldOrderly as my user name?

WTF is the deal? Alex Jones MADE this campaign.

the forum is rigged. but we can still make use of it

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:41 PM
I'm fucking tired of being censored by this board. What the fuck?! Real libertarian.


+1

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:43 PM
My thoughts...

1.) It is a proven fact that the media has been proactive in their censorship of Ron Paul throughout his presidential campaign. The turnout at of Ron Paul supporters for the AC360 show, and the fact that they were written off as nothing more than a fluke illustrate this.

2.) The media/establishment has worked to downplay Ron Paul's support when in point of fact he's raised more money than any other candidate in 24 hours in US history, has more meetup members than any other candidate, and had people rent out a blimp for him. The notion that none of this was significant to warrant as much free media coverage as John McCain/etc is laughable at best.

3.) Ron Paul's finish in NH may suggest that our political system is beyond salvage. I reject the notion that Ron Paul's message/grassroots support wasn't significant enough to garner less than 8% of the vote in the most libertarian state in the country.

4.) The touch screen voting machines are a scam, and the Feds didn't call it the "Help America Vote Act" for nothing.

5.) Whether or not it's our "misguided" fellow countrymen, or our corrupted political system/officials, everyone should start making plans for the worst. At the end of the day ensuring you and your family's life, liberty, and property is what's most important. Just because others were too blind to see what's coming doesn't mean that we have to be.

Feel free to add this links to your favorites and show them your business.
http://beprepared.com/
http://rockriverarms.com/
http://www.ammoman.com/
http://www.kitco.com/

+1

AnalogDan
01-08-2008, 09:43 PM
I personally fully support Alex Jones and his views, mostly because the majority of what he says, he backs up. Yes, he gets excited and is always slanted, and sometimes makes broad generalizations based on smallish facts, but I have done enough of my own research to state that I support his revelations on the NWO, the eugenics agenda, and the fascist shift in this country.

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:44 PM
No...and I'm in the process of reading 'Blowback' right now :p


welcome aboard
:cool:

alien
01-08-2008, 09:45 PM
Evidence please.

The fact that we did better in Iowa is proof enough. Come on, Guilani beat us in the "live free or die state"

Half the precincts are using the diebold machines which the MSM even admits are easy to rig and one private company is in charge of the memory chips.

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:46 PM
-1

rational explanation on how this is a circus please.

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Indy Vidual
01-08-2008, 09:47 PM
\


time for God n Guns?? :(

Thou shalt not Kill.

``````````

Congressman Ron Paul: Archives (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html) (Dr. Ron Paul in his own words and brilliant writings)

Laja
01-08-2008, 09:48 PM
Alex predicted Ron Paul would come in 2nd in New Hampshire. Some predictive power.

He would have had the votes not be hacked!

ksu_s13
01-08-2008, 09:49 PM
I personally fully support Alex Jones and his views, mostly because the majority of what he says, he backs up. Yes, he gets excited and is always slanted, and sometimes makes broad generalizations based on smallish facts, but I have done enough of my own research to state that I support his revelations on the NWO, the eugenics agenda, and the fascist shift in this country.

Agreed.


OT:
btw, Sorry to everyone for the grammar mistakes in my previous post. Sometimes the brain works faster than the fingers. :D

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:50 PM
I personally fully support Alex Jones and his views, mostly because the majority of what he says, he backs up. Yes, he gets excited and is always slanted, and sometimes makes broad generalizations based on smallish facts, but I have done enough of my own research to state that I support his revelations on the NWO, the eugenics agenda, and the fascist shift in this country.

+1

1913_to_2008
01-08-2008, 09:50 PM
the forum is rigged. but we can still make use of it

+1

Electric Church
01-08-2008, 09:50 PM
The fact that we did better in Iowa is proof enough. Come on, Guilani beat us in the "live free or die state"

Half the precincts are using the diebold machines which the MSM even admits are easy to rig and one private company is in charge of the memory chips.

+1

Derek Johnson
01-08-2008, 09:51 PM
The MSM trumpeted Huck in the days just before IA

" " " McCain " " " " NH

What's up with that?

alien
01-08-2008, 09:54 PM
Thou shalt not Kill.

``````````

Congressman Ron Paul: Archives (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html) (Dr. Ron Paul in his own words and brilliant writings)

Then I guess our four fathers were wrong for fighting for freedom. When are you people going to get it. These poeple are NOT going to give us our freedom back, we are going to have to take it.

RPFTW!
01-08-2008, 09:54 PM
Well boys its been fun, time to buy gold and silver stock up on guns and ammos and prepare for the oncoming storm

NerveShocker
01-08-2008, 09:54 PM
Yet more proof of voter fraud, please read this article if you doubt it: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d5b_1199803199&c=1

tboss
01-08-2008, 09:55 PM
I totally agree. There is something really fishy going on. I can't believe the results. The reason is not because Americans are idiots. The reason is more along the lines of: someone is fucking with the results.

PaultheSaint
01-08-2008, 09:56 PM
Well boys its been fun, time to buy gold and silver stock up on guns and ammos and prepare for the oncoming storm


not to much ammo at once though, keep them red flags off ya :D

RPFTW!
01-08-2008, 09:57 PM
I totally agree. There is something really fishy going on. I can't believe the results. The reason is not because Americans are idiots. The reason is more along the lines of: someone is fucking with the results.

a little of column a and a little of column b

Indy Vidual
01-08-2008, 10:00 PM
What significance was 1984? I'm not being an asshole, I've just never known why Jones said 1984.


No...and I'm in the process of reading 'Blowback' right now :p

Orwell was actually a Socialist, but still brilliant regarding the danger of too much central government.

traitorist
01-08-2008, 10:02 PM
Well boys its been fun, time to buy gold and silver stock up on guns and ammos and prepare for the oncoming storm

yeah, i could have bought myself a couple of nice pieces with the cash i've given to the campaign so far. i'm going to have to rethink how i'm spending my cash.

4Horsemen
01-08-2008, 10:03 PM
HBO proved there was vote fraud, what else do you need?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201&q=hacking+democracy&total=55&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Need more evidence?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2615703918066275099

Mark37snj
01-08-2008, 10:04 PM
The MSM trumpeted Huck in the days just before IA

" " " McCain " " " " NH

What's up with that?

They KNEW something.

ksu_s13
01-08-2008, 10:05 PM
Orwell was actually a Socialist, but still brilliant regarding the danger of too much central government.

Agreed, I always felt that Orwell tended to give Trotsky too much of a free pass in his writings.

Indy Vidual
01-08-2008, 10:06 PM
The fact that we did better in Iowa is proof enough. Come on, Guilani beat us in the "live free or die state"

Half the precincts are using the diebold machines which the MSM even admits are easy to rig and one private company is in charge of the memory chips.

Technically, you need to focus on the software, not the 'memory chips.' ;)

ksu_s13
01-08-2008, 10:07 PM
Well boys its been fun, time to buy gold and silver stock up on guns and ammos and prepare for the oncoming storm

Be sure to add food and water storage/purification to your preps.

Indy Vidual
01-08-2008, 10:10 PM
Then I guess our four fathers were wrong for fighting for freedom. When are you people going to get it. These poeple are NOT going to give us our freedom back, we are going to have to take it.

This is Ron Paul's grass-roots, and the good doctor does not endorse violence.

``````
Congressman Ron Paul: Archives (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html) (Dr. Ron Paul in his own words and brilliant writings)

Indy Vidual
01-08-2008, 10:14 PM
Agreed, I always felt that Orwell tended to give Trotsky too much of a free pass in his writings.

I clearly remember reading Animal Farm, but never even bothered to read 1984.
I might catch up someday. :)

Crickett
01-08-2008, 10:14 PM
My thoughts...

1.) It is a proven fact that the media has been proactive in their censorship of Ron Paul throughout his presidential campaign. The turnout at of Ron Paul supporters for the AC360 show, and the fact that they were written off as nothing more than a fluke illustrate this.

2.) The media/establishment has worked to downplay Ron Paul's support when in point of fact he's raised more money than any other candidate in 24 hours in US history, has more meetup members than any other candidate, and had people rent out a blimp for him. The notion that none of this was significant to warrant as much free media coverage as John McCain/etc is laughable at best.

3.) Ron Paul's finish in NH may suggest that our political system is beyond salvage. I reject the notion that Ron Paul's message/grassroots support wasn't significant enough to garner less than 8% of the vote in the most libertarian state in the country.

4.) The touch screen voting machines are a scam, and the Feds didn't call it the "Help America Vote Act" for nothing.

5.) Whether or not it's our "misguided" fellow countrymen, or our corrupted political system/officials, everyone should start making plans for the worst. At the end of the day ensuring you and your family's life, liberty, and property is what's most important. Just because others were too blind to see what's coming doesn't mean that we have to be.

Feel free to add this links to your favorites and show them your business.
http://beprepared.com/
http://rockriverarms.com/
http://www.ammoman.com/
http://www.kitco.com/


..should ALL call the atty gen office or go there, tomorrow and say they do not think their vote was counted. Period. And spread the word that everyone else call too. I am telling you the diebold machines were proven fraudulent in my little town last year. The mayor forced people to click the machines after the election and then look at the tally..it did not work right with only even a few votes..and this was for MAYOR, not president...

joelfarm
01-08-2008, 10:15 PM
Also unfortunately, no one here will believe this.

If people here, having just seen this supposed rejection of Constitutional government and personal liberties, do not believe something is strange, can you imagine our chance around the rest of this screwed up Nation.

alien
01-08-2008, 10:23 PM
Technically, you need to focus on the software, not the 'memory chips.' ;)

If you watch the fraud videos you can see where the are showing how you can easily wipe the memory so there is no record after the polls close so there is no way to prove there was cheating. Also, they can start with votes already on the chips.

alien
01-08-2008, 10:27 PM
This is Ron Paul's grass-roots, and the good doctor does not endorse violence.

``````
Congressman Ron Paul: Archives (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html) (Dr. Ron Paul in his own words and brilliant writings)

He doesn't have to. We would never REALLY take our country back that way now would we? ;)

RonPaulWisconsin
01-08-2008, 10:39 PM
I never trusted Alex Jones. I know something is wrong with 9/11, believe me, but he is counter-productive to the cause. He is seemingly arrogant to some people and there is no denying that he is obnoxious. Whether he is for real or not, he is a divider. His personality helps to reaffirm those who don't believe, and fills a void in those that do believe. Many who would otherwise DO SOMETHING, will instead listen to his show, pump their fist, and continue on with their lives..

Think about it, the entire "agenda" is to destroy from within. We see it in governments, but we also have seen it in specific groups. If Alex Jones didn't exist, they'd make him up. He, and others, are necessary. When people associate 9/11 conspiracy with "kookiness" it is damaging. Look at how 9/11 Truthers are perceived, most people think they're nuts, yet haven't examined the evidence.

I think some of the 9/11 Truthers really need to focus on sticking to the facts. Instead of shouting things, many of you should be working towards the cause of freedom. Supporting Ron Paul should only be a start - get involved with stopping the National ID card, repealing the Patriot Act, etc.

To those of you who criticize ALL 9/11 Truthers, think about what our Founders said about questioning government. Whether they are wrong or not is irrelevant. They should have a voice..

And I'm not saying I know 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB (I look at it as an "International job"), but there is certainly more to the story. The fact that so few are willing to even debate it is troubling. We have been conditioned to fear conspiracies.

gracebkr
01-08-2008, 10:43 PM
Unfortunately if this is true, there is only one way to end a fascist state, and I dread the future if this is what is to be. If you believe in God, this is the time to start praying.

I have been praying to God for sometime now about this terrible state. Ron Paul gives me hope and I know God put him here. We need to prevail. We will prevail.

2ndAmericanRevolution
01-08-2008, 10:59 PM
I understand the mixed views about Alex Jones and I agree on some level with those who say he is a little over the top.

BUT...We are in the middle of a DISASTER! America is GONE folks! It's time to WAKE EVERYBODY UP!

This is Serious. This is LIFE OR DEATH. This is the FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN.

Given the Urgency of the Situation and the Fact that Mass Murdering Criminals now control the U.S. Federal Government (and its Enormous MILITARY), I don't care HOW people spread the message as long as they are Waking People Up.

When There is a runaway truck about to flatten a beautiful human being who is completely oblivious to his or her impending Doom, then I think shouting and yelling and doing every damn thing one can to save them is JUSTIFIED.

And to those who say that "conspiracy theorists" are the reason Ron Paul is not winning, I COMPLETELY Disagree.

Maybe if More Americans had Woke Up to the URGENCY of the situation and the Crimes of those whose occupy the highest thrones of Authority in America, then just maybe People would have gotten off their ass and voted for Ron Paul.

Maybe they would have know just how Criminal Guiliani and McCain and Clinton and the rest of them are, and they NEVER WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THEM.

The Truth is never a bad thing no matter how unable people are to deal with it. The Truth is scary, but eventually you get over that Fear, you Become Brave, and Risk EVERYTHING for Freedom.

Because when it's too late and the fool who called you a Conspiracy Theorist is sitting in a Concentration Camp right next to you, Neither of you will care who was right. You will Both only wish that you had done more to Prevent your Enslavement.

greendiseaser
01-08-2008, 11:25 PM
Right here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=209123181886099053&q=usa+elections+rigged&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

The above video is testimony from a programmer who says his company was hired to hack an election and 'add 1' to the vote. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=209123181886099053&q=usa+elections+rigged&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3) ... TO HACK THE ELECTION.

"it's a simple program. It just ADDS ONE TO THE TOTAL"

OR, if you really are not sure (or ARE sure) how much support the guy you DONT want has, how about SUBTRACT ONE from the guy you want to beat him.
(in this case they KNEW what giuliani had ... fourth among THEIR candidates. just minus one from that and you have ... well ... irrelevance! Not on the pie chart, not in the minds, not on the printed page, not in the news, NOTHING)

at 95% complete
Paul: 17,652 = P
Giuliani: 19,858 = G

G divided by P = 1.1249

or

ONE

(come on. ONE point ONE?)


Look at Ms. Hillary ... not predicted to win, and doing poorly amongst young voters, but sitting on a stage with a back drop of young voters behind her.

You already know they MANIPULATE YOU ... why would they not MANIPULATE THE VOTE?

Answer?
Only reason would be "because they CAN'T" ...

well ...

YOU HAVE VIDEO PROVING THEY CAN.

Duh!

Are you unsure of what the motive would be?


[fyi - highly cynical of "conspiracy theories" myself ... but the federal reserve and election fraud are NOT ones i disbelieve!]