This is why libertarians are losers.

[max]

The most vulnerable Republican field in history and not a single attack ad from RP. The voters never got to hear the TRUTH about this cast of idiots and liars running against RP.

Millions of dollars wasted on warm and fuzzy "he's catchin on" crap ads. Just imagine if tons of ads attacking Huckster for pardoning rapists/murderers had been run...featuring the actual rape victim of Wayne Dumond, speaking in the ad..

Or how about ripping McCain a new asshole for his role in the infamous Keating Five bribery scandal 20 years ago (Google it)....or reminding voters of McCain's obsession with illegal immigrant amnesty...

Or how about anti-war ads with flag draped coffins..and amputee vets pleading for an end to the war while attacking Romney's 5 sons who arent serving.

Think of the impact...think of the controversy/publicity. That was how Buchanan won NH and he didnt have anywhere near the money or volunteers that we did.

The problem with you libertarians is that you're so hung up on intellectual ideology that you FAIL to see that it is EMOTION...not logic that moves the masses. And the most powerful emotion of all is ANGER.

Voters have plenty to be angry about but we did NOTHING to stoke their justifiable anger in our favor. Grassroots was even wimpier than HQ in this resepect.

But RP ( who I love and respect dearly) is too damn nice of a guy. And you all know what happenes to nice guys right?

RP had the right message, but he was the wrong man to deliver it. This is how the message needs to be delivered...Watch closely

4 minute clip.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlE5cTcYZbs

[max]

bumps

[BuddyRey]

That doesn't make him a loser. It makes him a king among men.

It's the rest of the world that's got its priorities mixed up, not us.

[max]

That doesn't make him a loser. It makes him a king among men.

It's the rest of the world that's got its priorities mixed up, not us.

all good kings realize that their subjects are led by the heart...not the intellect..

It is a given that the masses of people are sheep. Smart leaders understand this and play to their hearts...not their minds

[CriticalThinker]

bmp

[RPinSEAZ]

I think at this point Ron Paul has nothing to lose. Perhaps we'll start seeing the gloves come off.

[jake]

Ron Paul won't do it. A Pro-Paul PAC can.

[Alabama Supporter]

max, I think you are crazy as hell, but I wish you were in charge of the tv commercials for the RP HQ.

I can't believe how much has been squandered.

[Mr. White]

max, I think you are crazy as hell, but I wish you were in charge of the tv commercials for the RP HQ.

I can't believe how much has been squandered.

+1

[LibertyEagle]

Perhaps you guys might want to think about supporting Operation Broadcast Freedom. There are 2 important Endorsement Ads that they are trying to create. That is, if they can raise the money to do so. There is only a small window to get this done.

www.operationbroadcastfreedom.com

[jp5065]

bumpity

[BeFranklin]

Check out the thread on starting a an ad letterbomb by concerned citizens for Ron Paul.

We can write thousands of letters / ads across the country! This will be big. A lot bigger than the money bombs. Imagine thousands of federalist / antifederalist letters blanketing the country!

It will make the news. It will make a difference.

small ads only cost a couple hundred. We can also have chipins, help write / proof for others

[wfd40]

The most vulnerable Republican field in history and not a single attack ad from RP. The voters never got to hear the TRUTH about this cast of idiots and liars running against RP.

Millions of dollars wasted on warm and fuzzy "he's catchin on" crap ads. Just imagine if tons of ads attacking Huckster for pardoning rapists/murderers had been run...featuring the actual rape victim of Wayne Dumond, speaking in the ad..

Or how about ripping McCain a new asshole for his role in the infamous Keating Five bribery scandal 20 years ago (Google it)....or reminding voters of McCain's obsession with illegal immigrant amnesty...

Or how about anti-war ads with flag draped coffins..and amputee vets pleading for an end to the war while attacking Romney's 5 sons who arent serving.

Think of the impact...think of the controversy/publicity. That was how Buchanan won NH and he didnt have anywhere near the money or volunteers that we did.

The problem with you libertarians is that you're so hung up on intellectual ideology that you FAIL to see that it is EMOTION...not logic that moves the masses. And the most powerful emotion of all is ANGER.

Voters have plenty to be angry about but we did NOTHING to stoke their justifiable anger in our favor. Grassroots was even wimpier than HQ in this resepect.

But RP ( who I love and respect dearly) is too damn nice of a guy. And you all know what happenes to nice guys right?

RP had the right message, but he was the wrong man to deliver it. This is how the message needs to be delivered...Watch closely

4 minute clip.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlE5cTcYZbs

POST OF THE FUCKING YEAR...

TONIGHTS POOR SHOWING (assuming we don't come in third) IS ABSOLUTELY UNJUSTIFIABLE... IT IS DISGUSTING... AND Dr. PAUL'S UNWILLINGNESS TO GO NEGATIVE ON THE TRAITORS TO AMERICA IS INEXCUSABLE...

The kind of negative attacks you are suggesting max, are not only 100% correct and true.. but also exactly the kind of emotional messages that will propel THE 70% OF AMERICANS WHO ARE DISGUSTED WITH THE WAY THIS COUNTRY IS OPERATING to actually vote for the one GOP candidate that will WIN AGAINST THE DEMS.

I'm literally so angry right now.. that i'm shaking.

[Joe3113]

We should have been running these ads. Don't put this crap on Ron.

[peruvianRP]

The reason I'm voting for Ron Paul is because of his message. If you like bullyes then vote for any other...there are many.

take few days off...then comeback.

[Drknows]

Ron Paul won't do it. A Pro-Paul PAC can.

Well we have one month left.

[ChooseLiberty]

That's the problem.

RP is more about educating people and not beating down his opponents.

He needs a really good political marketing team and to spend all those $ we donated reaching the 90% that have no idea what he's talking about.

[rrb]

The most vulnerable Republican field in history and not a single attack ad from RP. The voters never got to hear the TRUTH about this cast of idiots and liars running against RP.

Millions of dollars wasted on warm and fuzzy "he's catchin on" crap ads. Just imagine if tons of ads attacking Huckster for pardoning rapists/murderers had been run...featuring the actual rape victim of Wayne Dumond, speaking in the ad..

Or how about ripping McCain a new asshole for his role in the infamous Keating Five bribery scandal 20 years ago (Google it)....or reminding voters of McCain's obsession with illegal immigrant amnesty...

Or how about anti-war ads with flag draped coffins..and amputee vets pleading for an end to the war while attacking Romney's 5 sons who arent serving.

Think of the impact...think of the controversy/publicity. That was how Buchanan won NH and he didnt have anywhere near the money or volunteers that we did.

The problem with you libertarians is that you're so hung up on intellectual ideology that you FAIL to see that it is EMOTION...not logic that moves the masses. And the most powerful emotion of all is ANGER.

Voters have plenty to be angry about but we did NOTHING to stoke their justifiable anger in our favor. Grassroots was even wimpier than HQ in this resepect.

But RP ( who I love and respect dearly) is too damn nice of a guy. And you all know what happenes to nice guys right?

RP had the right message, but he was the wrong man to deliver it. This is how the message needs to be delivered...Watch closely

4 minute clip.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlE5cTcYZbs


George Galloway is the man! He won't take any crap from those hired whores on the embedded media. He can do a lot better than that, too!

" The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."

Stalin

[max]

The reason I'm voting for Ron Paul is because of his message. If you like bullyes then vote for any other...there are many.

take few days off...then comeback.

the bullies are the other guys...

what i'm advocating is for RP to STAND UP TO THE BULLIES!

[Proemio]

The most vulnerable Republican field in history and not a single attack ad from RP. The voters never got to hear the TRUTH about this cast of idiots and liars running against RP.

Millions of dollars wasted on warm and fuzzy "he's catchin on" crap ads. Just imagine if tons of ads attacking Huckster for pardoning rapists/murderers had been run...featuring the actual rape victim of Wayne Dumond, speaking in the ad..

Or how about ripping McCain a new asshole for his role in the infamous Keating Five bribery scandal 20 years ago (Google it)....or reminding voters of McCain's obsession with illegal immigrant amnesty...

Or how about anti-war ads with flag draped coffins..and amputee vets pleading for an end to the war while attacking Romney's 5 sons who arent serving.

Think of the impact...think of the controversy/publicity. That was how Buchanan won NH and he didnt have anywhere near the money or volunteers that we did.

The problem with you libertarians is that you're so hung up on intellectual ideology that you FAIL to see that it is EMOTION...not logic that moves the masses. And the most powerful emotion of all is ANGER.

Voters have plenty to be angry about but we did NOTHING to stoke their justifiable anger in our favor. Grassroots was even wimpier than HQ in this resepect.

But RP ( who I love and respect dearly) is too damn nice of a guy. And you all know what happenes to nice guys right?

RP had the right message, but he was the wrong man to deliver it. This is how the message needs to be delivered...Watch closely

4 minute clip.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlE5cTcYZbs

Max, I think you are much closer to it with your focus on Diebold.
Have a look at this preliminary compilation:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=885913&posted=1

Hand Counted areas put Ron Paul well into the double digits (~20% average).
In fact, every precinct with over 11% is hand counted, going all the way up to 35%.

In my view, this thing has to be grown organically, and not through slash and burn.
There are 10 months to go. More than enough, IF we hang tough...

[speciallyblend]

max after this election you can add republicans to the loser list;)

[Henry]

Having a campaign staff that is proactive?

I’ll bet you anything that we don’t have a single TV ad emphasizing the economy in Michigan. A state that for all practical basis is bankrupt! Those ads should have been running there for a month emphasizing their plight.

Hell from what I have been hearing they can’t even get Slim Jim’s!!

[Crickett]

POST OF THE FUCKING YEAR...

TONIGHTS POOR SHOWING (assuming we don't come in third) IS ABSOLUTELY UNJUSTIFIABLE... IT IS DISGUSTING... AND Dr. PAUL'S UNWILLINGNESS TO GO NEGATIVE ON THE TRAITORS TO AMERICA IS INEXCUSABLE...

The kind of negative attacks you are suggesting max, are not only 100% correct and true.. but also exactly the kind of emotional messages that will propel THE 70% OF AMERICANS WHO ARE DISGUSTED WITH THE WAY THIS COUNTRY IS OPERATING to actually vote for the one GOP candidate that will WIN AGAINST THE DEMS.

I'm literally so angry right now.. that i'm shaking.

I feel the same, I hate to say it. We have seen what Americans are made of now. They will not listen to REASON. They like showmanship. They even liked a President hopeful that CRIED on national TV. There is too much of Oprah in these people. Dr. Paul can show how he REALLY is, after he is ELECTED. For now he has to show the people who his opponents are, as much as he dislikes personal attacks. They have NO integrity and it needs to come OUT. This "flip-flop" thing sounds almost "cute" when someone is accused of it. How about hard facts!
Huck was indicted 14 times for misappropriation of FUNDS..this is public record! Convicted and fined 5 of those times..how many other times did he not get caught? He even destroyed all the hard drives when he left office. This guy is a crook. On and ON with these people. Hillary took illegal contributions..obama has so much dirt behind him he looks like a steamshovel..COME ON>..

[runningdiz]

i thought max left the forums.... guess not lol

[ForLibertyFight]

We should attack without mercy

[Broadlighter]

I think the real question here is how do we take Ron Paul's platform and deliver an emotionally appealing message from it.

Attack ads or no attack ads, we have to distill the content volume of Dr. Paul's positions down to something people can digest in small, but frequent doses.

The biggest mistake we can make is talking to people as though they are stupid or ignorant. The problem is, most people don't have the time for investigating politics.

You can't give them any more than they have time for.

[constitutional]

I say we kick this grassroots movement up a notch. We need to set up demonstration that will make people stop and think.

[NYgs23]

I agree. I'd like to see the most brutal, vicious attack ads ever from our camp. "Take the high road"? Not this time. Bash these assholes. That'll get media attention. Some people bitch about attack ads, but the sheep love 'em. And it is quite apparent that the vast majority of this nation are sheep.

[TwiLeXia]

Stop defending Dr. Paul. Go on the offense.

[constitutional]

Stop defending Dr. Paul. Go on the offense.

I like it.

[max]

I agree. I'd like to see the most brutal, vicious attack ads ever from our camp. "Take the high road"? Not this time. Bash these assholes. That'll get media attention. Some people bitch about attack ads, but the sheep love 'em. And it is quite apparent that the vast majority of this nation are sheep.

These sons of bitches can be picked off one by one...

Huckabee......paroled a rapist who then murdered a woman

Romney...Video of his amazing flip flops and his 5 sons who dont serve in military

Rudy...Expose how his negligence got 100 firefighters killed...also his cross dressing and close ties to a child molesting priest

McCain...Keating 5 scandal and illegal immigration

Thompson..a DC lobbyist for 18 years

I'd also attack FOX News directly...pick a fight with Rupert Murdoch personally.

He should also bash Obama because we are losing indy's to him

[free.alive]

I think it's time for the grassroots to devise an anonymous swift-boat strategy. Integrity is not being a loser. I would imagine that Ron Paul has far more integrity than most of us. I am not above supporting a swift-boat movement against Huck, McCain and Obama, our three rivals.

What's more, ads discussing their records are not really unseemly anyway.

[disciple]

Lead the charge Max, we are with you.

[Platondas]

extremism for liberty is no vice

[traitorist]

suddenly that "mob" that followed Hannity doesn't look so foolish anymore, does it?

[JohnnyWrath]

He should also bash Obama because we are losing indy's to him

I am serious here, as a Republican and a man of sense, there is NO way I want Hillary beating Obama..there is a very good chance the dems will win the general election, and I DO NOT WANT HILLARY.

Republicans have a much easier time beating Hillary then Obama, but I don't want to take that chance...

[Matt Collins]

It's all marketing

[Shellshock1918]

Yes its time for the campaign to lay into the other candidates.

[srp]

George Galloway is awesome. Here he is with another reporter on the equivalent of FOX in Britain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw

[ultimaonliner]

Max,

You are 100% correct.

But, "attack ads" aren't really negative at all if one just simply states the historical facts of Paul's competitors. It can be consistent with the libertarian view that information should be presented accurately for the individual to decide.

[Lord Xar]

max,

create a pac and lets get this ball rolling....

radio ads... get two scripts together attacking two frontrunners for the next two primaries..

select 3 or 4 persons to review your ad and lets do it. Take donations.

Lets put 10K into the next two states, or two states after the next one....

I believe that you might get alot of donations since the campaign will not run "TRUTH ADS", perhaps we shall.

Nothing but the truth. NO LYING. JUST THE TRUTH.

We can state facts, and hit two or three major points each... then tell them that the elite do not want you to hear about freedom.. ala Ron Paul.

[abers076]

HERE HERE

Totally agree the gloves need to come off, RIGHT NOW! I have never seen Galloway before, blew my mind. Take these bastards down, get in the trenches and FIGHT! No more mister nice guy from us, too much blood has been spilled and forgotten about for us to take this lying down, and it has been done in OUR COUNTRY'S NAME. NO MORE! LET'S DO THIS!!!!!!1

[rrcamp]

I agree 100%

I say... at this point... broadcasting a bunch of attack ads... I'm talking hardcore, kick in the nuts ads is our best shot

[rrcamp]

I think it's time for the grassroots to devise an anonymous swift-boat strategy. Integrity is not being a loser. I would imagine that Ron Paul has far more integrity than most of us. I am not above supporting a swift-boat movement against Huck, McCain and Obama, our three rivals.

What's more, ads discussing their records are not really unseemly anyway.

+1

[Nash]

George Galloway is the man! He won't take any crap from those hired whores on the embedded media. He can do a lot better than that, too!

" The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."

Stalin

He's also a socialist.

That reporter was ridiculous though. Pretty cool interview.

Anyways yeah I don't know if attack ads are going to do us much good at this point. Although I am kinda fascinated that Buchanan managed to pull 15% above his polling averages in 96 and we couldn't manage even 1% higher. Disappointing.

If anything they should have studied the Buchanan campaign in great detail and repeated it. It's not like they didn't have the resources available both from a monetary perspective and by just asking Pat himself.

I think the bottom line is that people simply don't like the whole message. They like parts of it but all at once is hard to swallow. The reality is that while I agree with RP's views he's a radical and radical change is scary to a lot of people.