If we fail...

[ARealConservative]

I got blasted for my reality in Iowa thread - and I don't want to go there again.

So I'm not making any predictions.

I'm just going to say, if we fail to win the Republican nomination, we need to help Obama become president.

Now before anybody gets excited let me explain why. I don't agree with Obama on anything. But if we fail, it is because Obama convinced the populace that his plan for change is a good plan. We know it isn't. We even know that if his plan was going to helpt the common man, he would be getting the same treatment in the media that we recieve. He doesn't scare those in power in the slightest.

So if we lose - we need America to see for themselves that Obama isn't the answer. Otherwise in 2012 he will be back, and bigger then ever.

Just something to think about guys. Please don't let this become a flame war. If you disagree, explain why.

[Brennon]

As cynical as it sounds, if we fail, I'm afraid all is lost. I'm one of those individuals that legitimately thinks this is our last change.

[shadowhooch]

I got blasted for my reality in Iowa thread - and I don't want to go there again.

So I'm not making any predictions.

I'm just going to say, if we fail to win the Republican nomination, we need to help Obama become president.

Now before anybody gets excited let me explain why. I don't agree with Obama on anything. But if we fail, it is because Obama convinced the populace that his plan for change is a good plan. We know it isn't. We even know that if his plan was going to helpt the common man, he would be getting the same treatment in the media that we recieve. He doesn't scare those in power in the slightest.

So if we lose - we need America to see for themselves that Obama isn't the answer. Otherwise in 2012 he will be back, and bigger then ever.

Just something to think about guys. Please don't let this become a flame war. If you disagree, explain why.

Well, the best way to do that is to STILL vote Ron Paul in the Presidential Election. That will steal votes away from the Republicans and ensure a Democrat victory. A clear message will be sent to the Republican party that THEY MUST ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS if they EVER want to win again.

But united. Do not waiver. Stand for the message even if you are the only one (just like Ron Paul does).

[iamvoodoo]

Move to New Zealand

[ShowMeLiberty]

Disagree. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I'll write in Ron Paul if I have to. NEVER AGAIN will I vote for what I don't want.

[Roadrcr]

I don't like to think that we will .. However just for typing sake.. We need to put all our support into the biggest disaster of a president.. It make take total collapse until the masses finally wake up. So who has a shot at winning with our support that would finish off this country.

[tsetsefly]

As cynical as it sounds, if we fail, I'm afraid all is lost. I'm one of those individuals that legitimately thinks this is our last change.

agree but if we lose we shift out focus to getting people into congress...

[Airborn]

I got blasted for my reality in Iowa thread - and I don't want to go there again.

So I'm not making any predictions.

I'm just going to say, if we fail to win the Republican nomination, we need to help Obama become president.

Now before anybody gets excited let me explain why. I don't agree with Obama on anything. But if we fail, it is because Obama convinced the populace that his plan for change is a good plan. We know it isn't. We even know that if his plan was going to helpt the common man, he would be getting the same treatment in the media that we recieve. He doesn't scare those in power in the slightest.

So if we lose - we need America to see for themselves that Obama isn't the answer. Otherwise in 2012 he will be back, and bigger then ever.

Just something to think about guys. Please don't let this become a flame war. If you disagree, explain why.

This just does not make any sense, If he isn't the answer for America... Why are you saying help him become president??

[ronpaulfan]

Obama = CFR

If Obama becomes president, the US will invade more countries and your ass will get drafted.

[ronpaulitician]

I think we'll have another decade or so to correct the course the US is on. That's my optimistic estimate though.

[MsDoodahs]

As cynical as it sounds, if we fail, I'm afraid all is lost. I'm one of those individuals that legitimately thinks this is our last change.

I'm the same.

[Airborn]

ha i think i see what you mean now, You want me to vote for Obama just to prove he isn't good for America? Hmmm No. I'm not going to be involved in keep screwing up America just to prove a point.

[freelance]

I got blasted for my reality in Iowa thread - and I don't want to go there again.

So I'm not making any predictions.

I'm just going to say, if we fail to win the Republican nomination, we need to help Obama become president.

Now before anybody gets excited let me explain why. I don't agree with Obama on anything. But if we fail, it is because Obama convinced the populace that his plan for change is a good plan. We know it isn't. We even know that if his plan was going to helpt the common man, he would be getting the same treatment in the media that we recieve. He doesn't scare those in power in the slightest.

So if we lose - we need America to see for themselves that Obama isn't the answer. Otherwise in 2012 he will be back, and bigger then ever.

Just something to think about guys. Please don't let this become a flame war. If you disagree, explain why.

Surely you jest.


He doesn't scare those in power in the slightest.

OF COURSE he doesn't scare those in power. T(globalist)PTB are backing him.

[Soup]

This post should be deleted. It doesn't even make sense. If Ron Paul fails to secure the nomination we should work towards getting ron paul republicans into congress.

[MsDoodahs]

I don't like to think that we will .. However just for typing sake.. We need to put all our support into the biggest disaster of a president.. It make take total collapse until the masses finally wake up. So who has a shot at winning with our support that would finish off this country.

Doesn't matter. Anyone other than Ron - we're toast.

[WilliamC]

agree but if we lose we shift out focus to getting people into congress...

If we win we also need to focus on getting people into congress.

Check out the Liberty Candidates subforum.

[daikonv]

If Dr. Paul doesnt get the nomination, I decided from the start I would still write him in.

[NJNSB]

I'm disappointed to hear such talk. Just today my sister and husband saw the light and have become Ron Paul converts. She even suggested using her back deck to hang a 4'x12' banner (it backs up to a main road). Their votes will count in Maryland...and they are already starting to influence others. Yes...the campaign has been late to gather steam, but there is still time.

If Howard Stern actually backs RP...there will be a HUGE boost in both polling and votes. RP actually IS catching on!

Her banner will be highly reflective! :):D:)
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/myspacegray/IMG_2342_1.jpg

[Paulitics08]

If we fail now we'll have more time to promote Libertarian Candidate Ron Paul

[Young_Apprentice]

Think about the worst presidents in history. Now, think about the most revered presidents in history. If Obama wins, he'll be remembered as a trailblazer and a national hero no matter how bad he is.

[SovereignMN]

If Dr. Paul doesn't get the nomination we need to:

1) Vote for the most constitutional candidate on the November ballot
2) Buy guns & ammo
3) Continue to stay involved in the political process. Get elected as precinct and country chairs so in another 4 years it is US who controls the party machinery.

Obama? C'mon. We stand for principal. I'm proud that I never voted for GW Bush. When I'm an old man and our taxes are 70% to pay for our socialist empire I will at least be able to look my kids and grandkids square in the eye and tell them I wasn't responsible.

[deedles]

As cynical as it sounds, if we fail, I'm afraid all is lost. I'm one of those individuals that legitimately thinks this is our last change.


NO! Listen.

Could it be that this primary season has served the purpose of swelling our ranks and waking enough of us up that we could push DRP and our message of freedom through as an independent?

Maybe we needed to fight this (probably) losing republican nomination battle to temper ourselves for the real war?

I'm just starting to have this big picture emerge in my brain... I'm can't be the only one.

Anyone?

[atilla]

This just does not make any sense, If he isn't the answer for America... Why are you saying help him become president??

because someone will get the blame when the economy collapses, obama is the best patsy. about 6 months ago i corresponded with a columnist over the issue of obama. i said then, and i still believe, america deserves obama. the american people have been asking for this, they will never voluntarily chose personal responsibility and limited government. they want to be taken care of, they want to reward mediocrity. we should be happy to see them get what they want. america does not deserve ron paul.

i will laugh every day to see suzy soccer mom when she has to start riding the bus. she's loves obama now, i can't wait to see her opinion when he is totally lost with no idea how to rescue the country from the abyss. obama promises change, in a couple of years people will be wanting change from him....... change for the bus ride.

this country is going to hell faster than you can imagine. i'm glad the good Dr. Ron Paul will not be the one to suffer as the president who went down with the ship. america does not deserve Ron Paul.

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

Taking over Congress and the courts are much more important than getting RP in the White House in the long run. And even more important than this is the awakening of the populace - which is why we NEED to keep Ron in the race for as long as possible!

In the times of hopelessness, just think of the exponential growth function - the difference between failure and success is PERSISTENCE

http://www.unm.edu/~abqteach/Image58.gif

[tfelice]

I wouldn't vote for Obama under any circumstances. The worst Republican is 1000 times better than the best Democrat. I am hardly a Bush fan, but I know my taxes are far less under Bush than they would have been under Gore or Kerry.

In the primaries I vote for my conscience, but in the generals I vote with my wallet.

[Greg in VA]

If Obamma wins it will be a pyrrhic victory for the economy is going to tank. Bush Co. is going to pull out all of the stops to prevent this from happening on his watch, why do you think the got Hanky Panky Paulson of Goldman Sachs to be Secretary of the Treasury.

I would like a Paul Presidency more than anything, hopefully this can be like Goldwater all over again and the begining of a new true conservative movement.

[r3volution]

i wish you guys would take this crap to some other forum . Ron said he is in it for the long run which means months from now , not tonight . if your not in it for the long haul also you were not that serious to begin with so just leave now . im sick of seeing these useless posts .

[hasan]

I got blasted for my reality in Iowa thread - and I don't want to go there again.

So I'm not making any predictions.

I'm just going to say, if we fail to win the Republican nomination, we need to help Obama become president.

Now before anybody gets excited let me explain why. I don't agree with Obama on anything. But if we fail, it is because Obama convinced the populace that his plan for change is a good plan. We know it isn't. We even know that if his plan was going to helpt the common man, he would be getting the same treatment in the media that we recieve. He doesn't scare those in power in the slightest.

So if we lose - we need America to see for themselves that Obama isn't the answer. Otherwise in 2012 he will be back, and bigger then ever.

Just something to think about guys. Please don't let this become a flame war. If you disagree, explain why.

THIS IS NOT OVER UNTIL NOVEMBER 2008. AS LONG AS RP IS RUNNING I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS WHETHER OBAMA IS RUNNING OR ANY OTHER CANDIDATE FOR THAT MATTER. what we need is support for ron paul not playing up other candidates while ron paul is still in the running.

[justinc.1089]

I got blasted for my reality in Iowa thread - and I don't want to go there again.

So I'm not making any predictions.

I'm just going to say, if we fail to win the Republican nomination, we need to help Obama become president.

Now before anybody gets excited let me explain why. I don't agree with Obama on anything. But if we fail, it is because Obama convinced the populace that his plan for change is a good plan. We know it isn't. We even know that if his plan was going to helpt the common man, he would be getting the same treatment in the media that we recieve. He doesn't scare those in power in the slightest.

So if we lose - we need America to see for themselves that Obama isn't the answer. Otherwise in 2012 he will be back, and bigger then ever.

Just something to think about guys. Please don't let this become a flame war. If you disagree, explain why.

Troll!

We have to live free or die. Literally.

That means we fight to get Paul the Republican nomination. If that fails we fight to get Paul the presidency running as a third party. Regardless of whether either of those succeed or fail we fight to take back congress.

If all of that fails we move somewhere to make a free state or country, perhaps New Hampshire or New Zealand (Or was it Switzerland? idk)

If things keep going down, we keep trying to change it as long as possible.

And if that fails we fight for our liberty in a real fight.

Thats what we do, and there really aren't that many steps involved, so we don't have many opportunities. Everyone MUST do whatever it takes for Paul to win. Failure is not an option.

[jointhefightforfreedom]

As cynical as it sounds, if we fail, I'm afraid all is lost. I'm one of those individuals that legitimately thinks this is our last change.
I totally agree! we have put off the deficit for at least 30 years
and the dollar will not recover easily
RON PAUL OR NO POLITICAL REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!

[literatim]

I will not help a CFR member become President, sorry.

[bluefish]

Ron Paul is the best hope for Americas poor/middle class--you might pass on to all of the young independent voters out there----otherwise in 2012 there will be a LOT less 18 to 42 yr olds voting.

[grfgerger]

Obama is more of the same. We need Ron Paul to win, there is no other option.

[expatinireland]

Obama = CFR

If Obama becomes president, the US will invade more countries and your ass will get drafted.


The Dems including Obama have been promoting expanding national service programs with some suggesting there should be universal national service.

It is not a big step from universal national service to a draft. I am surprised the young people are giving this national service idea such a warm reception. Universal national service would also provide a nice setting for brainwashing everyone, not that the MSM hasn't been doing too bad a job at brainwashing already.