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jcbraithwaite7
07-19-2007, 10:17 PM
I thought that just old stodgy Republicans were out of touch... but the arrogance and ignorance spans the generation gap. It kind of reminded me of the college idiots in Borat.

Hilarious but terrifiying video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3inspkrGVbw

Revolution9
07-19-2007, 10:23 PM
Heh.. Well..here in Atlanta I am getting a bunch of my sons rock and roll pals for Ron Paul and we are gonna start storming the Republican stuffed shirt meetings on the north side of Atlanta. It will be alot of fun shaking these suit and tie clowns out of their mindwashings, and we have alot of gorgeous young ladies in the contingent to go with the mohawks, piercings, tattoos and very well nformed youngsters sporting them. We are gonna take the Republican party back from the neocons warmongers and their shills!

Guys like the clowns in that video will break down in rapid cognitive dissonance.

Best Regards
Randy

jcbraithwaite7
07-19-2007, 11:03 PM
I have to admit... I was kind of one of the mindless Republican drones for a long time- loved Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly. Geez... now I feel dirty thinking about my past... like a reformed hooker.

So now I work to get Ron Paul elected... and probably should go buy a Dixie Chick cd to make amends.

BuddyRey
07-19-2007, 11:12 PM
I have to admit... I was kind of one of the mindless Republican drones for a long time- loved Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly. Geez... now I feel dirty thinking about my past... like a reformed hooker.

So now I work to get Ron Paul elected... and probably should go buy a Dixie Chick cd to make amends.

I too have tasted the shame and self-hatred that comes with being a former neocon! I even supported Bush in 2000. Thank Heaven I was too young to actually vote for him, or else I don't think I could look at myself in the mirror each day.

Don't feel too bad about it though...God forgives!

jcbraithwaite7
07-20-2007, 07:20 AM
In 2000 I laughed at my old boyfriend for voting for Ralph Nader. I made him feel so stupid for "wasting" his vote. He probably sleeps soundly knowing he has no guilt in the state of our country.... oh well... better go hand out more Ron Paul flyers as penance for my political transgression!

Oddball
07-20-2007, 07:35 AM
I thought that just old stodgy Republicans were out of touch... but the arrogance and ignorance spans the generation gap. It kind of reminded me of the college idiots in Borat.

Hilarious but terrifiying video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3inspkrGVbw
What's this?? The guy's name is Max Blumenthal?!?!?????

Didn't he get the memo that the Jooz were supposed to be 100% behind this daffy war on "terrorism"!

JS4Pat
07-20-2007, 08:02 AM
I have to admit... I was kind of one of the mindless Republican drones for a long time- loved Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly. Geez... now I feel dirty thinking about my past... like a reformed hooker.
I have the same skeletons in my closet. :)

It's so liberating once you discover the error of your ways and begin working on a penance.

JosephTheLibertarian
07-20-2007, 08:20 AM
ha Look at al of these rich, spoiled elitists. They want to be all pro-war, but they don't want to go over there LOL ugh I'd like to see Ron Paul speak there lol

Johnnybags
07-20-2007, 08:24 AM
told Bush to go over and fight last night and these kind of cowards to join up if they believe in it so much. But, of course very few will. My guess is they are sons of oil company and military industrial complex execs sucking off the public trough.

NCGOPer_for_Paul
07-20-2007, 09:03 AM
Hey, hey, hey, hey :).

The future of the Republican Party are people like Ron Paul.

I am, but some measures, part of the "establishment", as I am involved heavily in the GOP. But, I did not support George W. Bush in 2000. I voted Harry Browne. I did support Bush in 2004 as the lesser of multiple evils. Badnarik was just a bad candidate. And, Kerry, not even going to go there.

I DO NOT support Rudy McRomson today.

I am quite annoyed with my party, BUT, until another party can emerge as viable, the ONLY PLACE to work for liberty is within the framework of the GOP.

This party has lost it's way. Neo-cons have taken over from the retiring Reaganites and the rotting, fetid stench of promises made from the '94 elections. Old-school thought as mainstream in the GOP died when Bob Dole lost in '96.

However, some of us saw our parents' lifestyles and incomes rise tremendously under Reagan and know what free markets, and cutting taxes can do, even in limited doses, i.e. Reagan. Some of us know that starting wars you can't finish is terrible foreign policy. Some of us still love our country, the Constitution, freedom, national soverignty, and everything our Founders stood for.

Y'all would be shocked at how much GOP members, and die-hards DESPISE George W. Bush.

Problem is, they haven't heard of Ron Paul. Heck, a lot of them haven't heard of Tom Tancredo either. A lot haven't even looked at Mike Huckabee or Duncan Hunter. As far as I'm concerned these are the ONLY four guys worthy enough to wear the name of Republican Presidential Candidate.

So many people in the GOP see Rudy as a strong leader because of 9/11. The mainstream party members still see 9/11 as a rallying cry for the war. Others look at McCain as the conscience of the party, failing to realize, outside of his tremendous sacrifice to the nation, he's a political sell-out. Others see Romney as a savior, as a Republican who ran Massachusetts, failing to see the lack of a backbone, or even a conservative bone. Still others look at Fred Thompson as the "alternative", while not knowing a damn thing about him.

THE PARTY LEADERS KNOW ALL THIS, yet support these weak-brained, spineless squishes because they are "names". They play nice. They are statists. They will keep power in a few people's hands who live for the ability to rule over others. Sick, mindless idiots if you ask me.

We have a TRUE CONSERVATIVE, in the Barry Goldwater mold in Ron Paul, in the REPUBLICAN PARTY. We NEED other TRUE CONSERVATIVES like Dr. Paul to register and get involved.

Please, join me! Don't leave me alone, trying to deal with these neo-cons who have destroyed this party, and doomed us to decades of SOCIALIST rule.

I don't give a rat's ass if you have a mohawk, tattoos, curse, smoke weed, or whatever. If you believe in the principles of CONSTITUTIONAL government, and getting the state out of your life, you belong in the REPUBLICAN PARTY! LET'S TAKE IT BACK, NOW!

Revolution9
07-20-2007, 09:17 AM
Hey, hey, hey, hey :).

The future of the Republican Party are people like Ron Paul.<snipped for brevity>

Please, join me! Don't leave me alone, trying to deal with these neo-cons who have destroyed this party, and doomed us to decades of SOCIALIST rule.

I don't give a rat's ass if you have a mohawk, tattoos, curse, smoke weed, or whatever. If you believe in the principles of CONSTITUTIONAL government, and getting the state out of your life, you belong in the REPUBLICAN PARTY! LET'S TAKE IT BACK, NOW!

The funny thing about all these young rock and rollers and math metalheads is that down deep they are conservative {freedom, liberty, The Constitution and the Law of The God of Nature) though they may have just realized what that meant as that word has been hijacked. They intend to shame any of the types of clowns that were shown in the video. And as an elder I am proud of them. They have their facts down, they are now politically active since they have found their spokesman and they are excited about this campaign. I suspect a few of them may run for various offices when they get another year or two under their bets.

Best Regards
Randy

mdh
07-20-2007, 10:45 AM
Hey, hey, hey, hey :).

The future of the Republican Party are people like Ron Paul.

I am, but some measures, part of the "establishment", as I am involved heavily in the GOP. But, I did not support George W. Bush in 2000. I voted Harry Browne. I did support Bush in 2004 as the lesser of multiple evils. Badnarik was just a bad candidate. And, Kerry, not even going to go there.

I DO NOT support Rudy McRomson today.

I am quite annoyed with my party, BUT, until another party can emerge as viable, the ONLY PLACE to work for liberty is within the framework of the GOP.

This party has lost it's way. Neo-cons have taken over from the retiring Reaganites and the rotting, fetid stench of promises made from the '94 elections. Old-school thought as mainstream in the GOP died when Bob Dole lost in '96.

However, some of us saw our parents' lifestyles and incomes rise tremendously under Reagan and know what free markets, and cutting taxes can do, even in limited doses, i.e. Reagan. Some of us know that starting wars you can't finish is terrible foreign policy. Some of us still love our country, the Constitution, freedom, national soverignty, and everything our Founders stood for.

Y'all would be shocked at how much GOP members, and die-hards DESPISE George W. Bush.

Problem is, they haven't heard of Ron Paul. Heck, a lot of them haven't heard of Tom Tancredo either. A lot haven't even looked at Mike Huckabee or Duncan Hunter. As far as I'm concerned these are the ONLY four guys worthy enough to wear the name of Republican Presidential Candidate.

So many people in the GOP see Rudy as a strong leader because of 9/11. The mainstream party members still see 9/11 as a rallying cry for the war. Others look at McCain as the conscience of the party, failing to realize, outside of his tremendous sacrifice to the nation, he's a political sell-out. Others see Romney as a savior, as a Republican who ran Massachusetts, failing to see the lack of a backbone, or even a conservative bone. Still others look at Fred Thompson as the "alternative", while not knowing a damn thing about him.

THE PARTY LEADERS KNOW ALL THIS, yet support these weak-brained, spineless squishes because they are "names". They play nice. They are statists. They will keep power in a few people's hands who live for the ability to rule over others. Sick, mindless idiots if you ask me.

We have a TRUE CONSERVATIVE, in the Barry Goldwater mold in Ron Paul, in the REPUBLICAN PARTY. We NEED other TRUE CONSERVATIVES like Dr. Paul to register and get involved.

Please, join me! Don't leave me alone, trying to deal with these neo-cons who have destroyed this party, and doomed us to decades of SOCIALIST rule.

I don't give a rat's ass if you have a mohawk, tattoos, curse, smoke weed, or whatever. If you believe in the principles of CONSTITUTIONAL government, and getting the state out of your life, you belong in the REPUBLICAN PARTY! LET'S TAKE IT BACK, NOW!

I disagree. I feel the neocon movement has become entrenched in both the power brokering as well as the funding of the Republican party. I think it'd be easier to achieve viability and start winning national elections with the LP than to waste a bunch of time fighting extremely rich and powerful neocons for control of the Republican party. Witness Republican party backlashes against Dr. Paul's candidacy as all the evidence you need.

If a true libertarian joins the LP, he will be encouraged to run. If a true libertarian joins the Republican party today, he will be shunned and discouraged from being involved in any manner. If all of the people who think the LP's ideologies are better than what we've been getting from the Republican establishment lately joined the LP and voted for LP candidates, the LP would rule all over the place in a heartbeat.

You say "until another party can emerge as viable" - trying to draw people away from the LP to the neocon shithole that the Republican party has become will not help to lead the LP towards viability at the national level.

Now let me ask you another question - if you run true conservatives/libertarians/whatever you want to call them on Republican tickets for a dozen offices, and they all lose in the primaries because the Republican establishment wants nothing to do with them, do you still vote for the neocons they give you in the generals?

If Dr. Paul fails to get the nomination (just hypothetical, we all know he will), will you vote for Rudy, Hillary, or a third party presidential candidate in the generals? You preach a lot about loyalty to the Republican party, which has no loyalty to its' own libertarian arms. Dr. Paul is an anomaly there, and is being treated like a disease on their party by most of their establishment. Dr. Paul is great, but the GOP are not our friends - and not friends of liberty.

Oddball
07-20-2007, 10:48 AM
Now let me ask you another question - if you run true conservatives/libertarians/whatever you want to call them on Republican tickets for a dozen offices, and they all lose in the primaries because the Republican establishment wants nothing to do with them, do you still vote for the neocons they give you in the generals?
FUGNO!!!

After being chumped in '94, I'll never fall for that bait-and-switch again.

JosephTheLibertarian
07-20-2007, 10:48 AM
If Dr. Paul loses, I won't be voting in the General Election... I'll switch to the LP.

NCGOPer_for_Paul
07-20-2007, 11:25 AM
I disagree. I feel the neocon movement has become entrenched in both the power brokering as well as the funding of the Republican party. I think it'd be easier to achieve viability and start winning national elections with the LP than to waste a bunch of time fighting extremely rich and powerful neocons for control of the Republican party. Witness Republican party backlashes against Dr. Paul's candidacy as all the evidence you need.

If a true libertarian joins the LP, he will be encouraged to run. If a true libertarian joins the Republican party today, he will be shunned and discouraged from being involved in any manner. If all of the people who think the LP's ideologies are better than what we've been getting from the Republican establishment lately joined the LP and voted for LP candidates, the LP would rule all over the place in a heartbeat.

You say "until another party can emerge as viable" - trying to draw people away from the LP to the neocon shithole that the Republican party has become will not help to lead the LP towards viability at the national level.

Now let me ask you another question - if you run true conservatives/libertarians/whatever you want to call them on Republican tickets for a dozen offices, and they all lose in the primaries because the Republican establishment wants nothing to do with them, do you still vote for the neocons they give you in the generals?

If Dr. Paul fails to get the nomination (just hypothetical, we all know he will), will you vote for Rudy, Hillary, or a third party presidential candidate in the generals? You preach a lot about loyalty to the Republican party, which has no loyalty to its' own libertarian arms. Dr. Paul is an anomaly there, and is being treated like a disease on their party by most of their establishment. Dr. Paul is great, but the GOP are not our friends - and not friends of liberty.

I agree with you at the same time I respectfully disagree, mainly because I witnessed a state LP disintegrate over "purity tests" and "education campaigns". As I've stated before, I ran for Congress as a Libertarian. The North Carolina LP ran a TON of candidates for office that year. However, when some of us weren't 100/100 purist libertarians on that "World's Smallest Political Quiz" thing, some of the anarchists in the party started to undermine and sabotage campaigns. God forbid you were a Christian, believed in some government (Constitutional, of course), and didn't believe ALL drugs should be legalized yesterday.

Fact is, this happens a lot with libertarians trying to get involved with the Libertarians. The upshot is, many LPers left the party in North Carolina, the anarchists ran off the rest, and now the LP has lost ballot access. Is this the right way to go? Or does it make more sense to become a Republican, get into a leadership position, as a precinct captain for example, get to know people, join the Republican Liberty Caucus, and work hard in primaries to support your people. The fact is, not many people are that active at the grass roots. On their primary faces, libertarianism and Republicanism are almost the same. A large influx into a county organization will eventually turn the organization around. There are young Republicans all around the country with libertarian views who happen to be Republicans. Government schools have a way of changing naturally intelligent people's minds.

It's just not true that a libertarian will be shunned from the GOP. The fact is, the party NEEDS the internal debate. If the GOP goes completely over to the neo-cons at every level, we can COMPLETELY FORGET ABOUT ANY SEMBLANCE OF LIBERTY in our lifetimes. The Democrats will take over and never relinquish power. We'd be screaming for a scumbag like Hannity just to hear an opposing voice.

As for who I'd vote for in 2008 if Dr. Paul does not get the nomination? If Tancredo, Huckabee, or Hunter was the GOP candidate, they'd get my vote. I could not vote for Rudy, McCain, Thompson, or Romney. I will NEVER vote for a Democrat. I'd probably go third party, or just write someone in.

jcbraithwaite7
08-18-2007, 06:58 AM
Are the guys in the video Mitt's son's frat brothers?

I looked up one of the guy's myspace and he is a McCain support.... good luck with that.

I get a laugh out of that video everytime.... and then I realize that unless we can wake people up these guys are the next generation of lucky sperm polititicians who will send working class drones to fight their shady wars.

Darren McFillintheBlank
08-18-2007, 07:14 AM
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R_Harris
08-18-2007, 07:50 AM
I attended several Republican and Young Republican functions in the 1980s.

People talk about the "neocons" today, but there were just as many BSRs (Brown Shirt Republicans) back then as there were today. Party diehards were rich, white, snobby, and shallow - just like the ones today!

Back then, we had to spend $300 billion on defense because if we didn't, the Russians would charge in next Monday. Today, the terrorists will get us if we don't spend $700 billion.

Nothing changes except the enemy. If the terrorists diminish, some other "enemy" will appear on the radar screen.

You really need to see the "why we fight" video on YouTube produced by the BBC. Eisenhower's prediction of the military-industrial complex dominating and ruining American society so tragically came true.

Cowlesy
08-18-2007, 08:05 AM
Right -- and most those kids at that conference were there because the GOP is well-funded, and has a majority opinion of the Republican Party as a whole. It's easy to support the position that appears to be the right one by means of the majority. It saves a lot of time of thinking critically about the issues. Might as well support Rudy because 30some % of other Republicans do, so they must have all done their research, right?

Group think is tough to overcome, but it is possible as evidenced by a lot of the former neo-con posts on this thread.

nullvalu
08-18-2007, 08:12 AM
Heh.. Well..here in Atlanta I am getting a bunch of my sons rock and roll pals for Ron Paul and we are gonna start storming the Republican stuffed shirt meetings on the north side of Atlanta. It will be alot of fun shaking these suit and tie clowns out of their mindwashings, and we have alot of gorgeous young ladies in the contingent to go with the mohawks, piercings, tattoos and very well nformed youngsters sporting them. We are gonna take the Republican party back from the neocons warmongers and their shills!

Guys like the clowns in that video will break down in rapid cognitive dissonance.

Best Regards
Randy


NICE! This is exactly what we need to do.. time these farts who have ruled the GOP for the last 30-40 years get a wake up call..

Spirit of '76
08-18-2007, 09:15 AM
This party has lost it's way. Neo-cons have taken over from the retiring Reaganites and the rotting, fetid stench of promises made from the '94 elections. Old-school thought as mainstream in the GOP died when Bob Dole lost in '96.

However, some of us saw our parents' lifestyles and incomes rise tremendously under Reagan and know what free markets, and cutting taxes can do, even in limited doses, i.e. Reagan. Some of us know that starting wars you can't finish is terrible foreign policy. Some of us still love our country, the Constitution, freedom, national soverignty, and everything our Founders stood for.

Y'all would be shocked at how much GOP members, and die-hards DESPISE George W. Bush.

Problem is, they haven't heard of Ron Paul. Heck, a lot of them haven't heard of Tom Tancredo either. A lot haven't even looked at Mike Huckabee or Duncan Hunter. As far as I'm concerned these are the ONLY four guys worthy enough to wear the name of Republican Presidential Candidate.

Please feel free to share this article with any Republicans or Republican organizations you know of:
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=35398



If Dr. Paul loses, I won't be voting in the General Election... I'll switch to the LP.

If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination, I think everyone should write him in for the general election anyway.

Hook
08-18-2007, 02:05 PM
The founders didn't like political parties because they saw that people checked their brains at the door when they joined them, and didn't think for themselves. Unfortunately, it only took a couple of decades before the parties emerged in our political system.
I would say that the whole primary thing is an artificial restriction on your choices. Just write in who you prefer in the general elections. If everyone did that, the primaries would become meaningless, and we could get some real choice without regard to party.