I lean to the left on most issues yet I support Ron, how can I convince other lefties

[Starks]

Topic.

[itshappening]

Ron Paul wants to leave most things to the states so if you're in a lefty state then fine

[Joe3113]

Left and right is an illusion my friend.

[LivingFree]

Show them proof that RP is the best candidate. People tend to prefer information given in 15 second bites, and we have a lot of them :)

[Broadlighter]

Introduce them to the benefits of less government.

Tell 'em: "If you want the government to stop oppressing people, stop trying to expand it."

[Thomas Paine]

Tell them that a victory for Ron Paul is a defeat for Fox News and will be like shoving a broomstick handle up Sean Hannity's backside.

[murrayrothbard]

Because then you can quit wasting so much energy trying to fight for your version of a one size fits all solution. Keep it local. You will have an easier time converting your own state into a little socialist utopia than you will with converting the whole country.

[user]

Being against the war and corporatism, and supporting civil liberties of course. But there is one argument I've talked about before that doesn't get used much. Point out that blue states get taxed more than they get back from the federal government, and the opposite is true for red states. Ron Paul is the only major candidate who would try to stop this, so blue states can move forward and red states get left behind. Red states would be forced to change. Stop subsidizing those fascist idiots! ;)

[Think12345]

If you're in a blue state, just tell your liberal friends that RP will give the states much more power, and they will be able to have much more socialism than it's possible to have on a federal level.

[cheese]

There is no left and right, only up and down

[Spike]

because he is the only one who can make a difference in the issues they care about, like the war or trade policies or torture and spying

[ecliptic]

Have your Democratic friends read Stan Goff's article:

Monkeywrenching The System (http://www.counterpunch.org/goff01042008.html)

[ronpaul4pres]

I lean to the left on most issues yet I support Ron, how can I convince other lefties

Simple. Ask yourself why you support Ron Paul. Then you have an answer to give to others as to why they should.

[murrayrothbard]

If you're in a blue state, just tell your liberal friends that RP will give the states much more power, and they will be able to have much more socialism than it's possible to have on a federal level.

Only problem is robbing your next door neighbor is a lot more personal than robbing someone 1000 miles away.

[user]

Only problem is robbing your next door neighbor is a lot more personal than robbing someone 1000 miles away.
Ssssshhhh! ;)

[Rebel Resource]

Simple Man.

Patriot Act, Energy Wars, Economy, Globalization, Special Interests.

....all Trump Left/right

[cheese]

and big government and big war are the same enemy

[RPinSEAZ]

Ron Paul wants to leave most stuff up to the states. If you want to socialize everything, it's much easier to do on a statewide basis than it is on a nationwide basis. Essentially leaving it up to the states gives everyone more say in how their government should work.

[Shatterhand]

Would this clip of Napolitano at the FFF conference help?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRukPp9Tq5k

Ron Paul has introduced the American Freedom Agenda Act to repeal the Military Comissions Act of 2006.

Also, did Hillary and Obama vote for or against the Patriot Act? :confused: Not sure.

But Paul was against it from the beginning.

[Starks]

State-run socialism is permissible by the 10th Amendment.

[Azprint]

Um, he is socially liberal and he's against war?

[murrayrothbard]

Ssssshhhh! ;)

my bad ;) :cool:

[murrayrothbard]

State-run socialism is permissible by the 10th Amendment.

Maybe but I doubt the walls that would have to be built to keep the victims in would be...

[RPinSEAZ]

Topic.

You must post on DU a lot given the way you format your posts.

[Starks]

Um, he is socially liberal and he's against war?

Basically, that's me in a nutshell.

*Fiscally conservative
*Socially liberal
*Anti-war

[Azprint]

Basically, that's me in a nutshell.

*Fiscally conservative
*Socially liberal
*Anti-war

Yeah, those are exactly mine positions as well.

[jdmetz]

If the war is their most important issue, you can get them to vote for Ron Paul (as the only anti-war Republican) in the primary just to ensure there are two anti-war candidates running in the general election. The Republican nomination is all that matters for now. You can convince them to vote for Ron Paul in the general election later (I'm sure 1 on 1 debates with the Democratic nominee will help that).

[hillertexas]

this is great...thanks.
I have been looking for information like this

[RPinSEAZ]

Maybe but I doubt the walls that would have to be built to keep the victims in would be...

Heh, so true.

The beautiful thing about state's rights is it allows each state to "compete" in a way for businesses and taxpayers. If people don't like the way their government is ran they vote it out or move to a state with a better system/more jobs. The strong states will be successful while the failing systems like socialism will die out as states start to emulate the successful states.

[Starks]

Yeah, those are exactly mine positions as well.

Too bad I spend like a drunken sailor...

[Joe3113]

Basically, that's me in a nutshell.

*Fiscally conservative
*Socially liberal
*Anti-war

What does socially liberal actually mean? Is it a nice way of saying your OK with late-term abortion? If it means you are pro-gay marriage then Ron Paul is your man because he wants to get the government out of marriage altogether. But seriously.....what the hell does it mean EXACTLY?

[lucius]

Topic.

My sister and her family were stone-cold lifelong democrats: Utopian Dreamers on steroids, once part of the illustrious Obama-nation. One DVD, 'Truth Be Tolled', followed by a RP DVD that illustrated CFR candidates in both parties and then the only self-evident choice presented itself--Dr. Paul. They are now ardent rabid RP supporters.

[RPinSEAZ]

What does socially liberal actually mean? Is it a nice way of saying your OK with late-term abortion? If it means you are pro-gay marriage then Ron Paul is your man because he wants to get the government out of marriage altogether. But seriously.....what the hell does it mean EXACTLY?

It means that you don't think the government has any business telling you if you should gamble, swear, drink, do drugs, have oral sex, hire a prostitute, censor your television etc etc etc.

[Bossobass]

Like this:

1. We owe $10 trillion dollars and climbing. Every single day we have to come up with enough money that we could make 2,000 Americans a day millionaires, JUST TO PAY THE INTEREST.

2. We face the largest taxpayer bailout in US History in the Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae bogus gov't backed mortgages fiasco, which will cost in the trillions.

3. The dollar is sliding into the abyss because we've reached our taxing limit and our borrowing limit, which leaves the option of printing money. The result is a skyrocketing cost of living.

4. Our manufacturing base has left America for Asia, leaving an economy that's 70% based on CONSUMER SPENDING. No world economy has ever survived with this formula.

5. Our worldwide aspirations for EMPIRE cost $1 trillion dollars a year. It has decimated our National Defense and is hastening our bankruptcy.

6. The bursting housing bubble is causing an unprecedented erosion of the equity most American's biggest investment, their homes. It's also causing record foreclosures for many more Americans who will have no one to bail them out.

7. AND PAY ATTENTION TO THIS ONE, CAUSE IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM: There is only one candidate on either side who understands these problems and has real solutions, the first steps of which he can implement immediately as commander-in-chief. R-O-N P-A-U-L

Or, just vote for any other candidate and take your chances.

Bosso

[Azprint]

Too bad I spend like a drunken sailor...

I heard this joke somewhere...3 times I think :D

[Corydoras]

Show them the videos where Hillary and Obama refuse to commit to getting out of Iraq before 2013 (i.e. the entire time they are in office).

[sdczen]

Point out the Contrast between them:

1- Hillary, Obama etc...Pro-war (voting to fund it speaks for itself), Pro-Patriot act, Pro-Military commissions act, Pro-Corporate monopolies/welfare, Pro-war with Iran, Obama wants to invade Pakistan, Anti-sound money, No solution to Social Security & Medicaid, No solutions to root causes - just feel good bandaids that will further drive our economy in the dumps.

If that's not enough to convince them, then they deserve what they get.