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ZzzImAsleep
01-07-2008, 01:42 PM
Orwell apparently was an advocate of Socialism.

Opinions are needed.....;)

slantedview
01-07-2008, 01:43 PM
i don't think it's wrong. we all know of many orwellian occurances related to paul's campaign.

tsetsefly
01-07-2008, 01:44 PM
no, his writings on totalitarian states was brilliant, especially at a time when the technologies we have can truly give government that type of control...

LivingFree
01-07-2008, 01:47 PM
I think it's great to use Orwell's writings. The only backlash that I see occurring are the ignorant calling Ron Paul/Ron Paul supporters "tin hat" wearer(s).

Deborah K
01-07-2008, 01:50 PM
I've thought about that myself but the fact that his words were so prophetic outweighs his personal political opinions. He was just a writer - not a political figure. He was way ahead of his time and his political stance was influenced by what Stalin had done. His book 'Animal Farm' is a reflection of his opinion about Stalinism. His book '1984' coined phrases we all use today, like 'Big Brother' and 'doublethink'. The word 'doublespeak' grew out of his writings as well. (I might have that backwards..)

Anyway, the whole idea of doublethink is happening now i.e. people think in order to have security, they must give up freedom and privacy - and so on.

micahnelson
01-07-2008, 01:51 PM
http://www.micahnelson.com/?p=125

I wrote at length about this on my blog. Doublethink is so apparent around us all.

Redcard
01-07-2008, 01:58 PM
"it is always necessary to protect peaceful people from violence. In any state of society where crime can be profitable you have got to have a harsh criminal law and administer it ruthlessly"
-George Orwell

Please understand that Orwell was a staunch communist, and he attended many communist meetings. It went FAR beyond what he called "Democratic Socialism." After WWII, he wanted the government of the UK to go socialist (He thought they would, as a result of the "democratic" government that used fear to elect Hitler)

If you're against the "North American Union", then you are against what Orwell wanted. He wanted the European Union, he wanted it socialist.

I'm just saying, be careful of his quotes. He's not exactly a libertarian thinker.

Wyurm
01-07-2008, 02:16 PM
The MSM is the Ministry of truth. The Military Industrial Complex is the Ministry of Peace. The FDA is the Ministry of Plenty and the Ministry of Love is seeing its birth in Gitmo. Now all that's needed is to divide the world into 3 main sectors and initiate a continual, never-ending war. We are frighteningly close to living in 1984, and I mean really frighteningly close. In fact, 1984 prompted me to take a much more serious interest in politics. Don't be surprised if that book is added to a future list of terrorist training books.

margomaps
01-07-2008, 02:24 PM
Please understand that Orwell was a staunch communist, and he attended many communist meetings. It went FAR beyond what he called "Democratic Socialism." After WWII, he wanted the government of the UK to go socialist (He thought they would, as a result of the "democratic" government that used fear to elect Hitler)

From what I've read, Orwell disliked communism immensely, but admired socialism. Socialism was really seen as an up-and-coming/viable option when Orwell was writing. It was trendy even. Too bad it caught on and plagues us to this day. The US just took a little longer than many other countries to adopt socialism. FDR can probably be thought of as our "grandfather of socialism". I despise what that man did to our country.

Dorfsmith
01-07-2008, 02:25 PM
I quote Orwell all the time when talking about Paul.

margomaps
01-07-2008, 02:30 PM
Also, Paul himself references Orwell sometimes in interviews. Many times I've heard him use the world 'doublespeak'. And he talks about the government using war propaganda to cow the people into submission -- a popular theme in Orwell's writing.

Redcard
01-07-2008, 02:31 PM
From what I've read, Orwell disliked communism immensely, but admired socialism. Socialism was really seen as an up-and-coming/viable option when Orwell was writing. It was trendy even. Too bad it caught on and plagues us to this day. The US just took a little longer than many other countries to adopt socialism. FDR can probably be thought of as our "grandfather of socialism". I despise what that man did to our country.

The dossier on him kept on his activities by the British Government reports him being somewhat of a Bohemian, and that he attended MANY communist party meetings. He was photographed many times doing such. There's long been held the rumor that he was a paid informant for MI5 , but , that's not really believed. The current belief was that he was into communism in its "pure" form.

werdd
01-07-2008, 03:01 PM
The word "Crime-Think". Now look up the homegrown terrorism act. 1984 is definately applicable to modern day politics