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micahnelson
07-19-2007, 11:56 AM
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20070719/NEWS/707190334/1051/NEWS01


Beltam is a little upset he isnt getting a ton of money for his rally. Do we know how many people will be in greenville? Do we have a number for those planning to hit the rally?

AZ Libertarian
07-19-2007, 01:48 PM
OK - after reading this I called the point man we have sent to South Carolina from Arizona to get their Ron Paul Revolution people organized to make signs/banners for the thursday night blitz and bounced this off him. He said he ripped Chris Lawton a new butt-hole for using the word 'embarrasing' in such an e-mail (he should have known they would try to make hay out of this one) and tells me there's nothing to worry about. It will be a success and he said the rally in greenville was the bigger of the two events anyway. He met with reps from their Meetups and other interested individuals, and got with them concerning the stencils and materials we took out there, and have their sign-making parties already in gear. He also said that there was a slight problem in that they had tyvek already bought when he got there and it's pretty windy out there and they were having to go back and re-attach some signs, so they went out and bought some HUGE banners (21 I think he said) that were no-rip material, and they were going to have the place looking good.
He also said that he saw Mitt Romney there last night . He's staying at The Beacon, and when he came out last night, there was a person in a RON PAUL R3VOLUTION t-shirt standing in front of the place handing out flyers, and when he got into his limo, our man snapped a picture of him with a RON PAUL PRO LIFE banner over his shoulder (can't wait to see that one lol)!
SO, I wouldn't make too much of this story - especially if we have the place fairly full by showtime.
Ed

Oddball
07-19-2007, 02:04 PM
Peeps aren't willing to cough up a mere 25 fish to attend a pro Ron Paul luncheon?? :eek:

JosephTheLibertarian
07-19-2007, 02:13 PM
Why should it go to that asshole? It should go to Ron Paul!

Oddball
07-19-2007, 02:14 PM
I agree.

Maybe I misread the passage in question.

AZ Libertarian
07-19-2007, 02:22 PM
No - even worse - they wouldn't invite Ron at all unless the proceeds went to the Repubs.......
(money is all that matters to some)

Oddball
07-19-2007, 02:25 PM
Well, then do like Iowa and hold a separate rally and kick their asses again! :D

JosephTheLibertarian
07-19-2007, 02:34 PM
Why do we need this "Beltam" guy in order to host a rally? We have hosted rallies before.....

beermotor
07-19-2007, 02:57 PM
You guys are missing the point ... we need to convince these folks that the support is real, genuine, and not some sort of "fringe" thing. They are the gatekeeper for the south. As a georgian, I want my campaigning in state to matter. It will not matter if he's kept off the ballot by these jerkoffs in SC. So we need to use this opportunity to overwhelm them. The money is INCONSEQUENTIAL, "next to the power of the force." Surely you can understand this.

The point is getting the message out to the GOP rank and file and converting them. We will not be able to win this without doing at least some of that. THAT is our mission.

Glad to hear that you guys are confident the rallies will be big. I hope you're right. These few months, through September are critical and will make or break our campaign.

JosephTheLibertarian
07-19-2007, 03:00 PM
hm sounds to be just as important as Iowa. How about organizing some carpools in conjunction with the various meetup members that will attend across the country?

Oddball
07-19-2007, 03:01 PM
You guys are missing the point ... we need to convince these folks that the support is real, genuine, and not some sort of "fringe" thing. They are the gatekeeper for the south. As a georgian, I want my campaigning in state to matter. It will not matter if he's kept off the ballot by these jerkoffs in SC. So we need to use this opportunity to overwhelm them. The money is INCONSEQUENTIAL, "next to the power of the force." Surely you can understand this.

The point is getting the message out to the GOP rank and file and converting them. We will not be able to win this without doing at least some of that. THAT is our mission.

Glad to hear that you guys are confident the rallies will be big. I hope you're right. These few months, through September are critical and will make or break our campaign.Understood, beer.

But this would be monetarily supporting the same GOP that has funded DEMOCRATICS running against Dr. Paul, in his congressional district's elections.

AZ Libertarian
07-22-2007, 01:22 PM
Glad to hear that you guys are confident the rallies will be big. I hope you're right. These few months, through September are critical and will make or break our campaign.

Paul stands tall with talk on freedom

By JASON SPENCER, jason.spencer@shj.com
Published July 22, 2007

A little-known Texas congressman seeking the Republican nomination for president visited Spartanburg Saturday and seemed to arrive with all the makings of rock-star candidate for his party - despite low polling, little name recognition and a relatively small campaign staff.

Supporters call it the "Ron Paul Revolution." You might have seen it on signs or T-shirts. Or MySpace.

"We've lost our faith and confidence that freedom really works," Paul said to an enthusiastic, almost fanatical, crowd.

"In most countries, tyranny reigns. Freedom is under attack. It's under attack in this country, as well."

Paul said he believed a stronger adherence to the Second Amendment over the past decade could have thwarted the 9/11 terror attacks - and that this country has gone in the wrong direction with "government bureaucrats taking away our toothpaste at the airport." He said America can't afford to continue to support its military presence abroad, which he called a "world empire." He accused the government of "creating money out of thin air," straying from the constitutional monetary standards of gold and silver. And he said he's against abortion because a fetus has the same rights as an adult human being.

He also made several references to Gov. Mark Sanford's voting record while in Congress, noting that, "If you found two people voting together, it was Mark and myself. He would make an exceptionally good vice president."

Paul received no less than 16 standing ovations during his hour-plus speech and question-and-answer session at the Summit Pointe Events Center. They started when he entered the room, continued when he re-entered after doing a quick TV interview and grew louder when he was formally introduced.

Thunderous applause also followed when he decried the Patriot Act (ovation No. 4), when he said America should never go to war without a declaration from Congress or because of a United Nations resolution (ovations No. 8 and 9), and when he attacked President Bush's foreign policy and handling of the war in Iraq (ovations No. 11, 12 and 13).

"No nation building. No policing of the world. Peace is popular," Paul said. "The sooner we get out of Iraq, the fewer Americans will die. And I say, it's time to come home."

He later added, "We have to change this idea that we can run the world."

When he advocated eliminating the federal income tax, he asked, "What are you going to replace it with?" The crowd shouted: "Nothing!"

About 400 people - at least half of them from out of state - were shoehorned into Summit Pointe for a barbecue luncheon that doubled as a fundraiser for the Spartanburg County Republican Party. The local GOP, after expenses, made an estimated $5,000 on the event.

Paul was invited to speak to the local party faithful (they numbered about 80 in the crowd) after county chairman Rick Beltram took offense at Paul's explanation during a GOP debate of the 9/11 attacks as "blowback" from America's past intervention in the affairs of other countries. That led to a widely distributed online tit-for-tat between Beltram and Paul supporters, and Beltram eventually invited Paul here to explain himself.

Blowback itself was not mentioned Saturday - and no one asked a question about it - though Paul often alluded to it, going as far back as World War I, "which (President) Woodrow Wilson got us into unnecessarily, and drew the lines in the Middle East that we're suffering for today."

Beltram said he agreed with Paul on most issues except foreign policy, and that he believes the Texan converted some Upstaters to his revolution with Saturday's speech.

"The key thing is the media attention," Beltram said. "When all this is in the newspapers and on TV, people will have a better impression as to what Dr. Paul truly stands for."

During the applause, the crowd often began chanting Paul's name and waving the revolution signs - one stated "Vote Yes for Dr. No." About 100 supporters were outside with signs, planning to go to Paul's free rally in Greenville later in the afternoon and not wanting to pay the $25 cover charge to benefit the Spartanburg GOP, said Chris Lawton of Greer, who helped organize Saturday's events.

About twice as many people were expected to attend the Greenville rally.

"He didn't miss a beat," said Eric Halbach-Merz of Spartanburg as he was leaving Summit Pointe. "He's basically saying what our Founding Fathers said. People today are taking away our freedoms by throwing fear in our face."

The Paul campaign and the county GOP selected a dozen or so questions to ask Paul out of about 50 submitted from the audience.

"He's got a chance," said Richie Sprouse, 41, of Spartanburg. "I'm not going to say it's not a long shot, but if Americans have any common sense, he's got a chance."

About one-third of Saturday's crowd was younger than 30.

Beltram welcomed them by playing up the importance of this county in GOP politics, noting that "this is a diverse county, a very big-tent county, and a very structured county in that there's a GOP platform and we abide by it."

He added, "Whoever the nominee is, we will support."

Gary Coats of Spartanburg said he watched Beltram throughout to gauge his reaction.

"You could tell he was learning something," Coats said. "That's good."
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found HERE: http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20070722&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=707220341&SectionCat=
Published in the SAME paper Beltram was whining in.(picture accompanys article - Ed)

Bro.Butch
07-26-2007, 05:13 PM
Now see we can get some good local coverage !!!

Grassroots
Local Media &
Paid Advertisements

is how to defeat them...

Jive Dadson
07-28-2007, 04:46 AM
Surprise, surprise. It turns out the Ron Paul campaign knew what they were doing after all. Have they made a single misstep? Ron Paul turned a lot of these people's heads around. The "bad guy" promised that their group would support any Republican who got the nomination. I am learning a lot from watching how Ron Paul operates.

noztnac
11-27-2007, 06:48 PM
South Carolinians hate hypocrisy. Hammer Giuliani and Romney on the draft issue.
Most people still do not know the truth.