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CanadiansLoveRonPaul
01-06-2008, 09:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rer_7TasNhQ

IT'S on MITT's youtube page...someone steal it and take out the sound of that fucker Frank!

CanadiansLoveRonPaul
01-06-2008, 09:45 PM
aww I cried wolf =(

its really the video!

Dexter_Roseville
01-06-2008, 10:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related

Notice at 3:43 into the video I posted, which is from September, they have the same actor that they were talking to after this debate... Coincidence?

ecliptic
01-06-2008, 10:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related

Notice at 3:43 into the video I posted, which is from September, they have the same actor that they were talking to after this debate... Coincidence?

I wonder .... I wonder if FOX might actually have nothing but actors in that "focus group"?

Anyone have the capability to check that out?

walt
01-06-2008, 10:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related

Notice at 3:43 into the video I posted, which is from September, they have the same actor that they were talking to after this debate... Coincidence?

he's been undecided that long!!! ;)

good catch - write it up comehow and then make it transparent

constitutional
01-06-2008, 10:17 PM
I'm scared. All those hands went up... like crazy.

IDIOTS, GOD DAMN MY FELLOW AMERICANS!!!!!

govtpigII
01-06-2008, 10:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related

Notice at 3:43 into the video I posted, which is from September, they have the same actor that they were talking to after this debate... Coincidence?

How could they be that ignorant? That is to damn funny, we have to get this out. Just proves how FOX is unfair and unbalance...they have the SAME mother fuckers at different focus groups from 4 months ago. NICE FUCKING CATCH YOU ROCK! We should see if they did then on anymore of these bullshit focus groups.

Waldo
01-06-2008, 10:22 PM
WOW, yes nice catch indeed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related at around 3:46
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZenB1s2rKDI at around 1:44

Looks like he's lost 10 or 15 pounds but its definitely the same guy. Wow.

corrected

constitutional
01-06-2008, 10:24 PM
WOW, yes nice catch indeed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZenB1s2rKDI at around 3:46
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZenB1s2rKDI at around 1:44

Looks like he's lost 10 or 15 pounds but its definitely the same guy. Wow.

ah.. nice catch. btw, both of those videos are the same.

FreedomGirl
01-06-2008, 10:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related

Notice at 3:43 into the video I posted, which is from September, they have the same actor that they were talking to after this debate... Coincidence?

What a great catch. It's the same guy. In the earlier focus group, he was for McCain. But in tonight's focus group, McCain wasn't even mentioned.

Leave it to Fox! Seems like the momentum is being switched for Romney.

Freedom4theWorld
01-06-2008, 10:29 PM
thats a great point
he is the same f***ing actor from before
and he is speaking with so much authority!!!
just to sway the sheeple
even if he is undecided that long-are these 2 clips taken from prospective pollers in the same place?i suppose they r from diff places?i'm not sure
FU Frank and FU Faux News !!

govtpigII
01-06-2008, 10:30 PM
What a great catch. It's the same guy. In the earlier focus group, he was for McCain. But in tonight's focus group, McCain wasn't even mentioned.

Leave it to Fox! Seems like the momentum is being switched for Romney.

I am amazed at this stuff, I am new to this entire corruption deal and I catch myself doubting it from time to time but this hit home. If these people were randomly picked how strange is it that this guy got into 2 events and stated exactly what they wanted to hear.

Jodi
01-06-2008, 10:31 PM
Notice too how they all say "absolutely".

homah
01-06-2008, 10:31 PM
That is seriously fucked up. People need to know about this. I'm about to throw up, not kidding.

Marceline88
01-06-2008, 10:31 PM
A very focused group of PAID SHILLS indeed.

govtpigII
01-06-2008, 10:32 PM
Notice too how they all say "absolutely".

We got to get this into one video on youtube. How sweet is it that it happened tonight!!!!

Dexter_Roseville
01-06-2008, 10:32 PM
I just stumbled across it by sheer luck, was watching one then saw new one posted on the boards, and immediately recognized that goofy looking guy.

Birdlady
01-06-2008, 10:32 PM
I'm scared. All those hands went up... like crazy.

IDIOTS, GOD DAMN MY FELLOW AMERICANS!!!!!

It's fake. They are all actors or have been told what to do. Look at them all.

And yes it is the same guy in those two shots. That is incredible.

CountryRoads
01-06-2008, 10:32 PM
You are witnessing a corrupt fascist news organization. Let the history books from the future know that we did not just sit back and take their lying bullshit propaganda.

govtpigII
01-06-2008, 10:34 PM
We need to start a new thread so everyone can see, with the 2 vids on the first thread.

govtpigII
01-06-2008, 10:34 PM
I just stumbled across it by sheer luck, was watching one then saw new one posted on the boards, and immediately recognized that goofy looking guy.

YOU are my HERO!

UtahApocalypse
01-06-2008, 10:35 PM
Someone get both clips into one youtube and highlight that chump. Also we can get it to CNN

constitutional
01-06-2008, 10:36 PM
http://roobaroo.net/Images/Fox_Focus_Group.jpg

FreedomWon
01-06-2008, 10:36 PM
Ya know if it wasn't for trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions of people this would be hysterically funny.
It's just astonishing that anyone would buy this shit.
Would it be possible for someone to do a parody with this YT and dubb over the voices?
Think of the possibilities!!
Any suggestions?

Eponym_mi
01-06-2008, 10:37 PM
Wow! The manipulation being carried out here is blatantly obvious.:mad:

This HAS to be exposed!

matthylland
01-06-2008, 10:38 PM
emailing this to other news outlets now...

Freedom4theWorld
01-06-2008, 10:38 PM
cant v mail the ronpaul campaign, so that they take up this matter?
they are using the same actors to mislead the ppl
this has to reach the mainstream
mass email CNN or other networks
at least spread the word on youtube
Ron Paul
Hope For the World

hotbrownsauce
01-06-2008, 10:39 PM
here is a pic of the same guy in two different after debates by fox.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3480/sameguyil4.png

Primbs
01-06-2008, 10:39 PM
What a story.

Eponym_mi
01-06-2008, 10:40 PM
YOU are my HERO!

+10000

paul_v
01-06-2008, 10:40 PM
I put up a picture of a screen capture of both videos. It's definately the same guy

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/Modules/PhotoAlbums/Pages/ViewImage.aspx??fuseaction=viewImage&imageid=23252485&friendID=37894213

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/Modules/PhotoAlbums/Pages/ViewImage.aspx??fuseaction=viewImage&imageid=23252485&friendID=37894213

constitutional
01-06-2008, 10:41 PM
I put up a picture of a screen capture of both videos. It's definately the same guy

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/Modules/PhotoAlbums/Pages/ViewImage.aspx??fuseaction=viewImage&imageid=23252485&friendID=37894213

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/Modules/PhotoAlbums/Pages/ViewImage.aspx??fuseaction=viewImage&imageid=23252485&friendID=37894213

Yes, they are

http://roobaroo.net/Images/Fox_Focus_Group.jpg

Jodi
01-06-2008, 10:41 PM
You know I think we could RUIN frank and his polling. Someone show that Teller guy this stuff.

matthylland
01-06-2008, 10:42 PM
anyone have the contacts handy for the news outlets? Or major reporters?

homah
01-06-2008, 10:42 PM
I am simply astounded by this. I didn't think this would be standard, even for Fox News. Have I not been following politics long enough or is this really a big deal? I feel like this should be national news. Fox News is rigged!

Dave Pedersen
01-06-2008, 10:42 PM
Notice too how they all say "absolutely".

yeah 52 seconds in they are asked about their reaction to Huck's "waffling" and they all use the same word at the same time.

Totally bought and paid for. Goebbels would be impressed.

paul_v
01-06-2008, 10:43 PM
Just sent a tip to Drudge. This just pisses me off to no end! Fox News must be stopped!!!!!

theprolific
01-06-2008, 10:43 PM
http://roobaroo.net/Images/Fox_Focus_Group.jpg

This image needs to be sent to every media outlet now.

This with the AP censorship of RP and the censorship of the forum is unbelievably telling.

This is completely wrong of them and needs to be exposed.

Jodi
01-06-2008, 10:43 PM
I am simply astounded by this. I didn't think this would be standard, even for Fox News. Have I not been following politics long enough or is this really a big deal? I feel like this should be national news. Fox News is rigged!


Something you need to know...you can't trust any of them. They all sleep together.

homah
01-06-2008, 10:44 PM
You know I think we could RUIN frank and his polling. Someone show that Teller guy this stuff.

Yes, this is brilliant!

Eponym_mi
01-06-2008, 10:44 PM
I'm curious. Were both debates conducted in NH? Or is this guy traveling the country?

miamiist
01-06-2008, 10:44 PM
I just posted this on digg: http://digg.com/political_opinion/WOAH_Definitive_proof_that_Frank_Luntz_and_FOX_are _frauds

You know what to do!

Jodi
01-06-2008, 10:45 PM
I am simply astounded by this. I didn't think this would be standard, even for Fox News. Have I not been following politics long enough or is this really a big deal? I feel like this should be national news. Fox News is rigged!

Oh and one other thing, its not just politics it everything!

Dave Pedersen
01-06-2008, 10:45 PM
Are there any other people who match up in both debates?

ecliptic
01-06-2008, 10:46 PM
So if this guy is an actor, or some kind of plant... perhaps there are more? Let's get a screenshot of each participant and see what we can find? This is fr*ckin HUGE!

You gotta wonder if this guy may have been "undecided" four years ago as well? Is he in other "focus groups"? Maybe that's all he does - go around the country "handling" focus groups...

Can we get an official list of the participants?



The Delphi Technique: How To Achieve A Workable Consensus Within Time Limits (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Delphi_Technique.htm)

The Delphi Technique was originally conceived as a way to obtain the opinion of experts without necessarily bringing them together face to face. In Educating for the New World Order by Bev Eakman, the reader finds reference upon reference for the need to preserve the illusion that there is "Lay, or community participation in the decision making process, while in fact lay citizens are being squeezed out."

A specialized use of this technique was developed for teachers, the "Alinsky Method" (ibid., p. 123). The setting or group is, however, immaterial the point is that people in groups tend to share a certain knowledge base and display certain identifiable characteristics (known as group dynamics). This allows for a special application of a basic technique. The "change agent" or "facilitator" goes through the motions of acting as an organizer, getting each person in the target group to elicit expression of their concerns about a program, project, or policy in question. The facilitator listens attentively, forms "task forces," "urges everyone to make lists," and so on. While she is doing this, the facilitator learns something about each member of the target group. He/she identifies the "leaders," the "loud mouths," as well as those who frequently turn sides during the argument the "weak or non committal."

Suddenly, the amiable facilitator becomes "devil's advocate." He/she dons his professional agitator hat. Using the "divide and conquer" technique, he/she manipulates one group opinion against the other. This is accomplished by manipulating those who are out of step to appear "ridiculous, unknowledgeable, inarticulate, or dogmatic." He/she wants certain members of the group to become angry, thereby forcing tensions to accelerate. The facilitator is well trained in psychological manipulation. S/He is able to predict the reactions of each group member. Individuals in opposition to the policy or program will be shut out of the group.

The method works. It is very effective with parents, teachers, school children, and any community group. The "targets" rarely, if ever, know that they are being manipulated. If they do suspect this is happening, they do not know how to end the process. The desired result is for group polarization, and for the facilitator to become accepted as a member of the group and group process. He/she will then throw the desired idea on the table and ask for opinions during discussion. Very soon his/her associates from the divided group begin to adopt the idea as if it were their own, and pressure the entire group to accept the proposition.

This technique is a very unethical method of achieving consensus on a controversial topic in group settings. It requires well trained professionals who deliberately escalate tension among group members, pitting one faction against the other, so as to make one viewpoint appear ridiculous so the other becomes "sensible" whether such is warranted or not.

( article continues )

UtahApocalypse
01-06-2008, 10:47 PM
Yes, they are

http://roobaroo.net/Images/Fox_Focus_Group.jpg

Someone get this into a blog that tells what, when, and where each oth these events were.

Chester Copperpot
01-06-2008, 10:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related

Notice at 3:43 into the video I posted, which is from September, they have the same actor that they were talking to after this debate... Coincidence?

Thats it.. it is time to call for the death of FU Frank Luntz!

Jodi
01-06-2008, 10:47 PM
You know the internet is really making it hard for these jackals to control the people.

louisiana4liberty
01-06-2008, 10:48 PM
Holy shit...this needs to be emailed to every other major network. This is outright fraud. The FCC needs to be notified.

This fraud needs to go on YouTube ASAP.

Eponym_mi
01-06-2008, 10:48 PM
OK...both debates were in NH. Still, the guy still hasn't decided for 4~5 months? :confused:

Chester Copperpot
01-06-2008, 10:48 PM
If we cant do that can we just yell at him and call him a fat liar?

RSLudlum
01-06-2008, 10:48 PM
Amazing Amazing.......Get this to Wolf immediately!!!!! :)

theprolific
01-06-2008, 10:48 PM
I just posted this on digg: http://digg.com/political_opinion/WOAH_Definitive_proof_that_Frank_Luntz_and_FOX_are _frauds

You know what to do!
dugg

miamiist
01-06-2008, 10:48 PM
Was the first video from the September 5 Durham, N.H. debate?

Digg boys! http://digg.com/political_opinion/WOAH_Definitive_proof_that_Frank_Luntz_and_FOX_are _frauds

laurak
01-06-2008, 10:49 PM
This just another pathetic attempt by Fox to shape public opinion..

Makes me sick that being a news agency they'd use paid actors posing as common citizen...

mannycp
01-06-2008, 10:50 PM
Notice too how they all say "absolutely".

just what I was about to say!
no one said yes, they a answer the same way!

also when he asked that question, before everybody said absolutely,
notice the woman moving her head up and down saying yes, before frank finishes the question.

miamiist
01-06-2008, 10:50 PM
And don't forget to also FAVORITE and COMMENT on the digg story... we can definitely get this to the front page guys!

Do it!http://digg.com/political_opinion/WOAH_Definitive_proof_that_Frank_Luntz_and_FOX_are _frauds

prlgrl
01-06-2008, 10:50 PM
You know I think we could RUIN frank and his polling. Someone show that Teller guy this stuff.
He'll have a field day with this. It's got to get out!!!!

kill the banks
01-06-2008, 10:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related

Notice at 3:43 into the video I posted, which is from September, they have the same actor that they were talking to after this debate... Coincidence?

thx !!!

check for more of this ... this is how we can break their propaganda machine
read "neoconned" ron paul/ library ... the lie is the game

kill the banks

matthylland
01-06-2008, 10:52 PM
ok i sent that in as an ireport to CNN...finding other contacts now

louisiana4liberty
01-06-2008, 10:53 PM
It's getting harder and harder for the media to commit fraud these days. Thanks to the internets. SHAME SHAME FOX NEWS...dirtbags!

Mckarnin
01-06-2008, 10:53 PM
Hasn't decided for 4-5 months and he was "randomly" chosen again....

Michael Landon
01-06-2008, 10:55 PM
That is messed up. I really hate fox. I would really like to see someone make a satire video of fox doing that. Maybe have a Romney speech and then have them ask an audience full of Romney's to answer "absolutely." I'm sure that is what fox is planning next.

- Michael Landon

mannycp
01-06-2008, 10:56 PM
ok i sent that in as an ireport to CNN...finding other contacts now

:)

RSLudlum
01-06-2008, 10:56 PM
gotta get this into Olberman's hands also, he'll have a field day with this.

Frank Luntz WORST PERSON IN THE WOOOOOOORLD!!!!

rfbz
01-06-2008, 10:57 PM
exactly what date was that debate - the one from June on youtube, I want to put the clips together

govtpigII
01-06-2008, 10:57 PM
We Love Canadians!

polomertz
01-06-2008, 10:58 PM
"Fuck You Chuck!"

homah
01-06-2008, 10:58 PM
exactly what date was that debate - the one from June on youtube, I want to put the clips together

june 5

edit -- oops, looks like i was wrong...disregard.

webber53
01-06-2008, 10:58 PM
Bump Bump

rfbz
01-06-2008, 11:02 PM
it was at University of New Hampshire Whittmore Center

September 5

mannycp
01-06-2008, 11:02 PM
chuck!

miamiist
01-06-2008, 11:04 PM
june 5

edit -- oops, looks like i was wrong...disregard.

Are we sure it's not from the Sept. 5 Durham, N.H. debate? That would make a lot more sense because the two debates were in the same state and the clip was posted on Sept. 6, just one day after that debate.

rfbz
01-06-2008, 11:05 PM
Are we sure it's not from the Sept. 5 Durham, N.H. debate? That would make a lot more sense because the two debates were in the same state and the clip was posted on Sept. 6, just one day after that debate.

Yes, it was. That's when RP said "I take my marching orders from the constitution"

The Good Doctor
01-06-2008, 11:06 PM
F U Frank! You are going down! :D

The Good Doctor
01-06-2008, 11:08 PM
No doubt! Penn and Teller F U Frank redux! :D


You know I think we could RUIN frank and his polling. Someone show that Teller guy this stuff.

Jodi
01-06-2008, 11:08 PM
You guys check out the guy at 3:38, I think he is in both too.

jbrace
01-06-2008, 11:08 PM
wow thats huge.

The Good Doctor
01-06-2008, 11:09 PM
I'm sure there are.


Are there any other people who match up in both debates?

Ninja Homer
01-06-2008, 11:09 PM
This needs to be all over the media before NH primaries. What's the quickest way to get it out?

I don't know if it would be a good thing or not for RP HQ to have a press release on it. I'm sure they wouldn't do it tomorrow anyway, without confirmation that it is the same person at both debates.

hotbrownsauce
01-06-2008, 11:12 PM
http://digg.com/politics/Spontaneous_Ron_Paul_Supporters_Rally_in_Mancheste r
http://blip.tv/file/582985

matthylland
01-06-2008, 11:12 PM
You guys check out the guy at 3:38, I think he is in both too.

where in tonights clip is he?

werdd
01-06-2008, 11:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related

Notice at 3:43 into the video I posted, which is from September, they have the same actor that they were talking to after this debate... Coincidence?

Holy shit, good catch. That earlier debate was is florida so they are definately flying this guy around. We need a thread or a website exposing him and faux.

louisiana4liberty
01-06-2008, 11:13 PM
http://digg.com/politics/Spontaneous_Ron_Paul_Supporters_Rally_in_Mancheste r
http://blip.tv/file/582985

Top link says acct is suspended.

kill the banks
01-06-2008, 11:13 PM
You guys check out the guy at 3:38, I think he is in both too.

can someone confirm

kill the banks

american empire
01-06-2008, 11:16 PM
great catch with the two videos...but what also pisses me off is the fact he acts the only two ppl who said they came in supporting romney...what they thought he did today to sway them...the maggie woman in blue...

american empire
01-06-2008, 11:16 PM
asks

Jodi
01-06-2008, 11:18 PM
where in tonights clip is he?

In my excitement I think I may have been thinking about the same vid??????

miamiist
01-06-2008, 11:18 PM
Top link says acct is suspended.

I reposted this at Digg it! http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ron_Paul_Supporters_Rally_in_Manchester_to_protest _FOX

Also, Digg this one referencing the story discussed in this thread: http://digg.com/political_opinion/WOAH_Definitive_proof_that_Frank_Luntz_and_FOX_are _frauds

fuzzybekool
01-06-2008, 11:19 PM
Holy Cow - It is the same guy. This proves Frank Luntz focus groups is a sham.

LMAO !

laurak
01-06-2008, 11:20 PM
Just wondering if this is this a "focus group" or pack of travelling players that tags along with Frant Luntz to every debate....

mannycp
01-06-2008, 11:21 PM
where in tonights clip is he?
:)

rfbz
01-06-2008, 11:22 PM
i just put together a video, should be on youtube any minute

fuzzybekool
01-06-2008, 11:23 PM
Just wondering if this is this a "focus group" or pack of travelling players that tags along with Frant Luntz to every debate....

I got an hour or 2 before I got to go to bed for work tomorrow, but I am checking through youtube videos now. Post back here if anybody sees anything suspicious. I am looking at people in the background also.

louisiana4liberty
01-06-2008, 11:23 PM
i just put together a video, should be on youtube any minute

You are a patriot. Thanks.

rfbz
01-06-2008, 11:24 PM
here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQNdj3NqXE

fuzzybekool
01-06-2008, 11:29 PM
For the people looking to see the same guy from the September 2007 Frank Luntz focus group and tonight's focus group. These are the two videos.

at 1:34 of the video on Jan.6th 2008.--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZenB1s2rKDI

at 3:34 of the video on Sept. 6th, 2007.--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g

Same guy.

matthylland
01-06-2008, 11:31 PM
i just put together a video, should be on youtube any minute

sweet, post the link when it is up! - Edit, nm i see it above!

SigmaChiGuy
01-06-2008, 11:32 PM
Email it to the news media the photo you posted and the vids.
List of news media outlets contacts:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111
CNN I-REPORT submission page! Post them the photo explain what happened!
Same "undecided voters" in Frank Luntz Focus Group 4 months apart and 2 different states exposed
in Manchester, New Hampshire.
http://www.cnn.com/exchange/ireports/topics/forms/breaking.news.html

weagle
01-06-2008, 11:32 PM
We need to reference it as NH debate and FL debate as well.

homah
01-06-2008, 11:34 PM
We need to reference it as NH debate and FL debate as well.

Oh wow, I just realized they both aren't NH. That takes it from wrong to complete fraud.

adpierce
01-06-2008, 11:34 PM
I thought I recognized that guy... Wow... I kind of thought maybe we were overreacting about Fox's corruption... but wow... he's the same guy, they manipulate the whole thing!

rfbz
01-06-2008, 11:36 PM
actually they are both NH. the first one was at the University of New Hampshire, that's where RP made his "I take my marching orders from the constitution" line

smartguy911
01-06-2008, 11:45 PM
WOW, yes nice catch indeed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related at around 3:46
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZenB1s2rKDI at around 1:44

Looks like he's lost 10 or 15 pounds but its definitely the same guy. Wow.

corrected


holly crap...

louisiana4liberty
01-06-2008, 11:48 PM
holly crap...

It's like seeing a dead man in the street. Shocking. What filth. I wonder how much money this actor was paid. :mad:

RonPaulFTW08
01-06-2008, 11:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rer_7TasNhQ

IT'S on MITT's youtube page...someone steal it and take out the sound of that fucker Frank!

No one should steal it or even worse tamper with it. I thought this is why we hate media companies like Fox?

fuzzybekool
01-06-2008, 11:50 PM
Oh wow, I just realized they both aren't NH. They takes it from wrong to complete fraud.

Whooa, hang on a second. I thought the two focus groups were from the 2 New Hampshire debates.

So the September 6th debate Frank Luntz focus Group is from Florida ? This is a fraud.

homah
01-06-2008, 11:57 PM
Whooa, hang on a second. I thought the two focus groups were from the 2 New Hampshire debates.

So the September 6th debate Frank Luntz focus Group is from Florida ? This is a fraud.

I'm an idiot...they were both in NH. Sorry for the confusion. Still sketchy as hell, though. Certainly not a random sample and possibly a plant/actor.

Electrostatic
01-06-2008, 11:57 PM
Whooa, hang on a second. I thought the two focus groups were from the 2 New Hampshire debates.

So the September 6th debate Frank Luntz focus Group is from Florida ? This is a fraud.

No, both of the groups were in NH... The florida one was different...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related

bluemarkets
01-06-2008, 11:59 PM
we need some outlet to expose this in the main stream!

aricart
01-07-2008, 12:08 AM
Who's to say they chose people at random? Maybe they called the same guy up again, and he happened to be undecided again? That's what they would say happened anyway . . .

canadianforronpaul
01-07-2008, 12:17 AM
Who's to say they chose people at random? Maybe they called the same guy up again, and he happened to be undecided again? That's what they would say happened anyway . . .

True that's what they'll say, but when you see the original video of the Faux plant of Douglas Maher (I believe his name was) in which this "undecided voter" also appears, and see the vast number of times they've slanted their reporting (and that's being charitable), then they lose a lot of trust and it all starts to look like one big farse. And to pick the same guy at random twice - wow, how small was their pool? Probably small enough that Luntz could personally pre-approve them.

By the way you guys are all awesome - the catch, and having a video on youtube that fast - wow!

Flirple
01-07-2008, 12:22 AM
I just thought it would be a good idea to post a reference link for anyone who is confused by everyone saying FU Frank: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4 (see at 3:00)

canadianforronpaul
01-07-2008, 12:22 AM
PS - another smear attempt by fox added today - probably been posted elsewhere - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByPwRIoFQxg

CurtisLow
01-07-2008, 12:26 AM
How could they be that ignorant? That is to damn funny, we have to get this out. Just proves how FOX is unfair and unbalance...they have the SAME mother fuckers at different focus groups from 4 months ago. NICE FUCKING CATCH YOU ROCK! We should see if they did then on anymore of these bullshit focus groups.

Ditto F that!!!! Fox is so unAmerican See if anyone else can be matched? Talk about low down...

dawnbt
01-07-2008, 01:27 AM
ok i sent that in as an ireport to CNN...finding other contacts now

High-five soldier!

dawnbt
01-07-2008, 01:28 AM
We Love Canadians!

+1000

dawnbt
01-07-2008, 01:48 AM
start saving these videos before they take them down!

dawnbt
01-07-2008, 01:55 AM
here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQNdj3NqXE

Great job! Man, FOX doesn't stand a chance against the Revolution! Who's next?

dawnbt
01-07-2008, 02:16 AM
Email it to the news media the photo you posted and the vids.
List of news media outlets contacts:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111
CNN I-REPORT submission page! Post them the photo explain what happened!
Same "undecided voters" in Frank Luntz Focus Group 4 months apart and 2 different states exposed
in Manchester, New Hampshire.
http://www.cnn.com/exchange/ireports/topics/forms/breaking.news.html

DONE! Thanks for the address'!

Join The Paul Side
01-07-2008, 01:34 PM
Thanks for exposing this sham by Frank Clutz and Faux News. Chuck is clearly in both focus groups in both seperate vids. They should all be ashamed of themselves. Traitors, the lot of them! :mad:

jupiter
01-08-2008, 01:03 AM
On Hannity and Colmes, Frank Lutz indicated that there indeed were repeat members in the focus group. To paraphrase him, having repeat members was important because it follows the continuity of an individual's support. He mentioned something about the whole focus group poll being an "anthropologic" exercise.

all4one
01-08-2008, 06:29 AM
On Hannity and Colmes, Frank Lutz indicated that there indeed were repeat members in the focus group. To paraphrase him, having repeat members was important because it follows the continuity of an individual's support. He mentioned something about the whole focus group poll being an "anthropologic" exercise.

Let's not forget that Frank Putz/Fox admitted that those people are being paid to be there... :mad:

maeqFREEDOMfree
01-08-2008, 07:38 AM
how do you know it's an actor?

acroso
01-08-2008, 07:45 AM
Fox News has got the Ron Paul supporters in NH whipped up into a frenzy.


GO PAUL!!!!


yeaaaaaaaaaaaa