WHY is John McCain popular in NH?

[Janet0116]

I'd like someone who is a boot on the ground to give feedback on this. WHAT do people in NH see in McCain??

[LudwigVan Kubrick]

the media shows his face and his name over and over again.

[Paul10]

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[Sean]

The media loves the hell out of McCain. His campaign finance legislation gave them more power over the process.

[Johncjackson]

Apparently the people there who don't like The War actually like it but we just haven't fought 'hard enough" and killed enough people for their tastes?

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

NH likes their edgy independent candidates, regardless of the issues they stand for.

[walt]

the polls are paid for by peopel who are biased - it's a consulting relationship

[SimpleName]

Pretty sad replies, but probably all true. Americans are idiots.

[slantedview]

NH likes their edgy independent candidates, regardless of the issues they stand for.

he's not "independant" he's a bush clone. i posted a thread just like this yesterday with the same question. why do they like him?

[Ryphal]

Yeah with these responses, only the ones where money is involved does it make senses? Do they not know Paul is a vet? (he didn't get tortured, but he saw what went on being a doctor) and he's as independent and "edgy" as any candidate can be. So those are moot points. Bah..

[RonPaulFTFW]

apparently NH voters aren't as sophisticated as claimed.

[MJfromCT]

They like him because the media says their peers like him. It is the cycle of the beast and until the majority of the population stops eating it up like free cake, the ignorance will continue.

[RonPaulFTFW]

Yeah with these responses, only the ones where money is involved does it make senses? Do they not know Paul is a vet? (he didn't get tortured, but he saw what went on being a doctor) and he's as independent and "edgy" as any candidate can be. So those are moot points. Bah..

It could be failure of our guys to get that message out though.

[Ball]

McCain will win because:

1) The only ones left in the GOP are die-hard Bushies who believe in the Iraq lies.

2) Independents have been scared off voting for Republicans by the crazy war rhetoric

[Minuteman2008]

McCain doesn't have a base of citizen support. The media is his base. His campaign absolutely tanked after his amnesty (McCain-Kennedy) immigration bill that he tried to ram through the senate despite huge popular opposition. Somehow people have forgotten that and now he's on top?? Unbelievable. McCain is the ultimate "proposition nation" neoconservative. If McCain wins it will be exactly like four more years of Bush. I would vote for a Democrat before I would McCain, and this is coming from someone who disagrees with the Democratic candidates on nearly everything.

[mosquitobite]

McCain doesn't have a base of citizen support. The media is his base. His campaign absolutely tanked after his amnesty (McCain-Kennedy) immigration bill that he tried to ram through the senate despite huge popular opposition. Somehow people have forgotten that and now he's on top?? Unbelievable. McCain is the ultimate "proposition nation" neoconservative. If McCain wins it will be exactly like four more years of Bush. I would vote for a Democrat before I would McCain, and this is coming from someone who disagrees with the Democratic candidates on nearly everything.

Don't forget McCain/Feingold nor the Gang of 14.

How the base can forgive this traitor (to the GOP) I'll never understand. This man should not be anywhere near the Oval Office.

I shudder at the prospect of his Supreme Court nominees. I'm sure he'll pick someone the Democrats will agree with :rolleyes: to avoid a "battle".

[Minuteman2008]

Don't forget McCain/Feingold nor the Gang of 14.

How the base can forgive this traitor (to the GOP) I'll never understand. This man should not be anywhere near the Oval Office.

I shudder at the prospect of his Supreme Court nominees. I'm sure he'll pick someone the Democrats will agree with :rolleyes: to avoid a "battle".

I guarantee he would. Bill Clinton might as well make his choices for him.

How long can this idiot keep talking about being a POW while betraying the nation? It is shocking how many are apparently going along with the media and buying into his crap? Yeah, it's great he served in Vietnam. But many gave a lot more than McCain did; they gave everything, and they didn't do it so he could wreck what is left of the nation by supporting endless wars, open borders, and a stranglehold on freedom. He's not only the GOP's worst nightmare, he's America's worst nightmare.

[nc4rp]

my bet is that they are hyping the polls so that after they "fix" the vote, Paul and Mcain's votes will reflect the polls. thats just a guess based on facts though.

[Battlecruiser]

I found this on digg. http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/PIC_McCain_on_Iraq_MUST_SEE
He basically contradicts everything he said only a year ago. We need to make sure the people of New Hampshire see this.

[acroso]

I don't think Paul is a veteran.

[Battlecruiser]

I don't think Paul is a veteran.

Didn't he serve as a flight surgeon during one of the wars?

[Lyn]

He was in the air force for five years as a flight surgeon.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

The media tells them they like McCain. It's an old Jedi trick.

[OptionsTrader]

I don't think Paul is a veteran.

Are you insane?

[eloquensanity]

my bet is that they are hyping the polls so that after they "fix" the vote, Paul and Mcain's votes will reflect the polls. thats just a guess based on facts though.

LOL

[OptionsTrader]

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/about/

Trey reading the "ABOUT" section of his webpage? lol

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/img/service.jpg

Congressman Ron Paul is the leading advocate for freedom in our nation’s capital. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Dr. Paul tirelessly works for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. He is known among his congressional colleagues and his constituents for his consistent voting record. Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution.In the words of former Treasury Secretary William Simon, Dr. Paul is the “one exception to the Gang of 535” on Capitol Hill.

Ron Paul was born and raised in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He graduated from Gettysburg College and the Duke University School of Medicine, before proudly serving as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force during the 1960s. He and his wife Carol moved to Texas in 1968, where he began his medical practice in Brazoria County. As a specialist in obstetrics/gynecology, Dr. Paul has delivered more than 4,000 babies. He and Carol, who reside in Lake Jackson, Texas, are the proud parents of five children and have 17 grandchildren.

While serving in Congress during the late 1970s and early 1980s, Dr. Paul’s limited-government ideals were not popular in Washington. In 1976, he was one of only four Republican congressmen to endorse Ronald Reagan for president.

During that time, Congressman Paul served on the House Banking committee, where he was a strong advocate for sound monetary policy and an outspoken critic of the Federal Reserve’s inflationary measures. He was an unwavering advocate of pro-life and pro-family values. Dr. Paul consistently voted to lower or abolish federal taxes, spending and regulation, and used his House seat to actively promote the return of government to its proper constitutional levels. In 1984, he voluntarily relinquished his House seat and returned to his medical practice.

Dr. Paul returned to Congress in 1997 to represent the 14th congressional district of Texas. He presently serves on the House Committee on Financial Services and the House Committee on Foreign Affairs. He continues to advocate a dramatic reduction in the size of the federal government and a return to constitutional principles.

Congressman Paul’s consistent voting record prompted one of his congressional colleagues to say, “Ron Paul personifies the Founding Fathers’ ideal of the citizen-statesman. He makes it clear that his principles will never be compromised, and they never are.” Another colleague observed, “There are few people in public life who, through thick and thin, rain or shine, stick to their principles. Ron Paul is one of those few.”



Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

[Björn]

Why would people in NH vote for McCain again? He won there in 2000 and look what happened. He's obviously not electable.

[familydog]

NH hates Bush. They remember the independent McCain from 2000. They still see him as that.

[syborius]

mccain is surging forward, his re-energized campaign is strong, blowing steam in all directions. Mccain is near victory, Mccain is polling way ahead. Mccain has turned this thing around. Mccain is an amazing man...Mccain Mccain, Mccain. The media has -re-chosen the Straight bullshit express because they know Huckabee hasn't a prayer in New Hampshire, drop dead Fred is the walking undead, Giuliani has zero support, so the establishment is throwing in all their chips on Mclame now, in a furious dash to make absolutely certain Ron Paul stays as low in the polls as possible. All this maneuvering between the media, between the other candidates is a coordinated cluster *$*# against Ron Paul. That is why you see these sudden non-sensical, drastic polling departures from reality, and crazy shifts in direction by the media, and this is how they control the populace, and how the mind ^$%& of the American people continues.

Ron Paul against the establishment!

[amistybleu]

Isn't NH the "Live Mean not Free" State? that is the only reason I can see McCain doing well.

[ProBlue33]

I shouldn't say it, but I will anyway. They are just plain stupid.
How can you support a rude snide remarking old fool like that,"Make it 100 years" McCain.

Come on already people grab a brain, or at least rent one for the primary

[devil21]

McCain did well in NH before he turned into a complete Bushie neocon shill. NH voters probably still think he's the same guy he was 8 years ago.

"Honey, didn't we vote for McCain in 2000? I guess we should vote for him again."

[propanes]

Last week campaigning with Lieberman, McCain said the media would decide the relevance of a potential Romney win in Iowa. He seems to be admitting a media 'surge' can propel any candidate.


McCain refused to hazard a guess if a Romney win tonight in Iowa would catapult him to a victory in New Hampshire on Tuesday or if a Romney defeat in Iowa would give McCain more of a New Hampshire spurt.

"I honestly don't know. That's up to the media to make those decisions. I don't know how the results affect New Hampshire," McCain said.


And how in the world could Lieberman be a benefit to anyone seeking office?

h**p://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080103/NEWS08/855258381/-1/news08

[wfd40]

Ok, so I just got finished reading Gov. George McGovern's oped in the washington post... my conclusion:

If Dr. Paul can not find the capacity to demonstrate to independent voters (which will either win or lose NH for us) that his ENTIRE POLITICAL CAREER HAS BEEN GEERING TOWARDS EXACTLY THIS MOMENT - WHEN AMERICA'S CONSTITUTION WAS AT STAKE - I honestly don't think I will be able to carry on with this campaign...

Knee jerk reaction?? Perhaps.. but this so be SO GOD DAMN SLAM DUNK against these GOP MONSTERS, I honestly don't know what else to do. McCain wants ENDLESS WAR.. wants ENDLESS DEATH AND DESTRUCTION... WANTS TO TAKE AWAY OUR FREEDOMS IN THE NAME OF SAFETY...

If Dr. Paul can not communicate these SIMPLE TRUTHS to NH Independents.. then he can not communicate these truths to anyone. HIS ENTIRE CAREER HAS PREPARED HIM FOR THIS MOMENT.. why doesn't he say as much??? Why doesn't he attack these monsters for their fear and war mongering.. why doesn't he connect to the HOPE AND CHANGE MESSAGE like Obama and Edwards are and now HUCKATARD IS WITH HIS POPULIST BULLSHIT..

I'm sorry for the rant.. but when you read McGovern's oped, and how clear cut the mess we are in truly is, I'd imagine that you will feel exactly the same way.


But what are the facts?

Bush and Cheney are clearly guilty of numerous impeachable offenses. They have repeatedly violated the Constitution. They have transgressed national and international law. They have lied to the American people time after time. Their conduct and their barbaric policies have reduced our beloved country to a historic low in the eyes of people around the world. These are truly "high crimes and misdemeanors," to use the constitutional standard.

From the beginning, the Bush-Cheney team's assumption of power was the product of questionable elections that probably should have been officially challenged -- perhaps even by a congressional investigation.

In a more fundamental sense, American democracy has been derailed throughout the Bush-Cheney regime. The dominant commitment of the administration has been a murderous, illegal, nonsensical war against Iraq. That irresponsible venture has killed almost 4,000 Americans, left many times that number mentally or physically crippled, claimed the lives of an estimated 600,000 Iraqis (according to a careful October 2006 study from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health) and laid waste their country. The financial cost to the United States is now $250 million a day and is expected to exceed a total of $1 trillion, most of which we have borrowed from the Chinese and others as our national debt has now climbed above $9 trillion -- by far the highest in our national history.

All of this has been done without the declaration of war from Congress that the Constitution clearly requires, in defiance of the U.N. Charter and in violation of international law. This reckless disregard for life and property, as well as constitutional law, has been accompanied by the abuse of prisoners, including systematic torture, in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions of 1949.

Seriously.. something magical needs to happen.. something far more intense than what I am seeing right now in NH

[disciple]

>>WHY is John McCain popular in NH?>>

Because this is how some people earn their place in hell.

[DesignerJoes]

ABC and CNN are at war with FOX.

www.drudgereport.com

Paul is at the center of this conflict. Let us take advantage of this gift and create as much media coverage for Paul as possbile.

This might help:

http://RonPaul.InfoOps.googlepages.com/NewHamshirePaul.jpg

we are fighting $100 million dollar highly connected/organized campaigns

Feel COMPLETELY FREE to pass this along.

Thanks for your time.

[disciple]

If the warmongers were to study old prophecies and the horrible fate that awaits them they would cry blood not tears.

[slantedview]

NH hates Bush. They remember the independent McCain from 2000. They still see him as that.

that's the only explanation i can think of. but are they really that stupid? everyone knows McCain is the closest thing to Bush in the Republican field, at least nowdays.

[nc4rp]

mccain is surging forward, his re-energized campaign is strong, blowing steam in all directions. Mccain is near victory, Mccain is polling way ahead. Mccain has turned this thing around. Mccain is an amazing man...Mccain Mccain, Mccain. The media has -re-chosen the Straight bullshit express because they know Huckabee hasn't a prayer in New Hampshire, drop dead Fred is the walking undead, Giuliani has zero support, so the establishment is throwing in all their chips on Mclame now, in a furious dash to make absolutely certain Ron Paul stays as low in the polls as possible. All this maneuvering between the media, between the other candidates is a coordinated cluster *$*# against Ron Paul. That is why you see these sudden non-sensical, drastic polling departures from reality, and crazy shifts in direction by the media, and this is how they control the populace, and how the mind ^$%& of the American people continues.

Ron Paul against the establishment!

ye either america is ready to not be idiots any more, or they will embrace their idiocy as an identity. we will know soon.

[Travis]

I was in NH campaign for the Revolution for two weeks in December right before Christmas and throughout the entire trip I only saw 2 or 3 McCain signs. I went all over the fricken state too. I saw more Mike Gravel signs than McCain signs. The only republicans that as many signs as Ron was Romney and Rudy. And the entire time I heard like 4 radio ads and 3 tv ads and I didnt hear or see any other republican ads. People know who Ron is in NH. This is going to be Ron's best shot so Im feeling pretty good about it. And McCains surge is just laughable if you've done any campaigning in NH.

[BeFranklin]

He's a veteran. They don't fall for the Christian crap, but they'll vote in a military guy even if he's wrong on tons of issues.:mad:

So is Ron Paul

[wowabunga]

>>WHY is John McCain popular in NH?>>

Because this is how some people earn their place in hell.



OUCH....!!!

Ramblin Randy
No More Constitutional Lip Service... They can blabber and steal his talking points... but they can't stand on them...!

[nate895]

Apparently the people there who don't like The War actually like it but we just haven't fought 'hard enough" and killed enough people for their tastes?

I used to think that, but then I thought about it and decided that the only time I'd feel comfortable about doing that is if the opposing nation had actually been the aggressor. It is interesting that liberals hold Lincoln, and disdain the South when I have come to an opinion that is much more tolerant now than it was before I believed the South to be right.

[New York For Paul]

Most don't know the real John McCain.

Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. This is why McCain has these sarcastic flippant remarks.

http://usvetdsp.com/dec07/mccain_suicide_ptsd.htm

[Thomas Paine]

Here is video footage of John McCain when he was younger and in college:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKpKSZGSkuo

[VoluntaryMan]

"WHY is John McCain popular in NH?"


Little know fact: there's a quite large dwarf colony in New Hampshire.

[thisisgiparti]

I don't think Paul is a veteran.

He was a flight surgeon with the Air Force during the Korean War and Vietnam.

[thisisgiparti]

Ok, so I just got finished reading Gov. George McGovern's oped in the washington post... my conclusion:

If Dr. Paul can not find the capacity to demonstrate to independent voters (which will either win or lose NH for us) that his ENTIRE POLITICAL CAREER HAS BEEN GEERING TOWARDS EXACTLY THIS MOMENT - WHEN AMERICA'S CONSTITUTION WAS AT STAKE - I honestly don't think I will be able to carry on with this campaign...

Knee jerk reaction?? Perhaps.. but this so be SO GOD DAMN SLAM DUNK against these GOP MONSTERS, I honestly don't know what else to do. McCain wants ENDLESS WAR.. wants ENDLESS DEATH AND DESTRUCTION... WANTS TO TAKE AWAY OUR FREEDOMS IN THE NAME OF SAFETY...

If Dr. Paul can not communicate these SIMPLE TRUTHS to NH Independents.. then he can not communicate these truths to anyone. HIS ENTIRE CAREER HAS PREPARED HIM FOR THIS MOMENT.. why doesn't he say as much??? Why doesn't he attack these monsters for their fear and war mongering.. why doesn't he connect to the HOPE AND CHANGE MESSAGE like Obama and Edwards are and now HUCKATARD IS WITH HIS POPULIST BULLSHIT..

I'm sorry for the rant.. but when you read McGovern's oped, and how clear cut the mess we are in truly is, I'd imagine that you will feel exactly the same way.



Seriously.. something magical needs to happen.. something far more intense than what I am seeing right now in NH

I just finished reading that piece and half of the 1500 comments. Those were my thoughts exactly. This is the Battle of Waterloo.

[VoluntaryMan]

He was a flight surgeon with the Air Force during the Korean War and Vietnam.

Actually, it was during the Vietnam era. He was drafted during the Cuban missle crisis.

[jake]

I just finished reading that piece and half of the 1500 comments. Those were my thoughts exactly. This is the Battle of Waterloo.

and it's a battle with the mind instead of a battle with the musket

[Aldanga]

"WHY is John McCain popular in NH?"


Little know fact: there's a quite large dwarf colony in New Hampshire.

LOL


I certainly hope he's not that popular. New Hampshire is my last State of hope in this country.

[slantedview]

ok 6 pages, and we still seriously have no idea why mccain is popular in NH this time around except perhaps simply because he was popular last time around and voters are stupid..?

[LibertyEagle]

I don't think Paul is a veteran.

Yes, he is.

[VoluntaryMan]

ok 6 pages, and we still seriously have no idea why mccain is popular in NH this time around except perhaps simply because he was popular last time around and voters are stupid..?

Never overlook the obvious.

[Ethek]

ok 6 pages, and we still seriously have no idea why mccain is popular in NH this time around except perhaps simply because he was popular last time around and voters are stupid..?


I think I can agree with this statement.

[VoluntaryMan]

Okay. Seriously. I see 4 factors:

1) Bush is unpopular, and MUCKain is a past credentialled opponent of the loathed president.

2) This may seem redundant, but MUCKain is respected among Democrats and liberal-leaning independents for not marching in lockstep with his party.

3) MUCKain is respected among neocons for his "war hero" status.

4) MUCKain's name and face are well known in NH (and he's earned many regional endorsements), because he has spent a great deal of time there, and has campaigned their previously, and was successful in the last contested Republican primary held there.

That established, his support is based mostly on superficial familiarity. MUCKain doesn't stack up well against Ron Paul in any of the metrics NH cares about. It's just about getting the word out and mobilizing the vote. If we can do those 2 things, we ought to do very well. Victory for us does not require a 1st place finish, as it does for Rmoney and MUCKain. 3rd place isn't exactly the lunar launch for us, but it is momentum, a victory against expectations, and very achieveable.

[angelatc]

YOu might have nailed it. McCain leans pretty far left. I think the independents in NH might find that middle-of-the-road stance appealing.

[driller80545]

Its name recognition. Even when people hear and agree with RP, they don't know who he is so they automatically don't trust him.

[hankpyro]

One of the pundits stated it pretty well. They said that people are starved for spontaneity. It is not so much that they like McCain as that they have Romney fatigue, Romney being the most calculated and contrived of the GOP candidates.

That and the fact that there are as many idiots here as everywhere else.

[hankpyro]

I don't think Paul is a veteran.


Dr. Paul IS indeed a veteran.

[Tidewise]

mccain is surging forward, his re-energized campaign is strong, blowing steam in all directions. Mccain is near victory, Mccain is polling way ahead. Mccain has turned this thing around. Mccain is an amazing man...Mccain Mccain, Mccain. The media has -re-chosen the Straight bullshit express because they know Huckabee hasn't a prayer in New Hampshire, drop dead Fred is the walking undead, Giuliani has zero support, so the establishment is throwing in all their chips on Mclame now, in a furious dash to make absolutely certain Ron Paul stays as low in the polls as possible. All this maneuvering between the media, between the other candidates is a coordinated cluster *$*# against Ron Paul. That is why you see these sudden non-sensical, drastic polling departures from reality, and crazy shifts in direction by the media, and this is how they control the populace, and how the mind ^$%& of the American people continues.

Ron Paul against the establishment!

Great call. QFT.

[VoluntaryMan]

Romney being the most calculated and contrived of the GOP candidates.

Last thing I want to do is defend Rmoney, but I believe those titles belong to scHmUCKABEE. The scHmUCK has done everything short of legally changing his name to Ron Paul, which he may have to do, if his staffers keep announcing their support for the good doctor. No, Rmoney's big problem is that, although he looks like a gameshow host, he's actually stiffer than il duce (Ghouliani), as inconceivable as that is.