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jrich4rpaul
01-06-2008, 05:40 AM
There are many debates going on about moneybombs. When we need them, how much to pledge, and who will run them.

There are also debates that we need money at a steady pace, and money bombs won't do that.

What I (a former moneybomb naysayer) have realized is that there are at least 6 money bombs between now and the 23rd.

www.ronpaulmoneybomb.com (1 per week)
www.ronpaulspayday.com (1 each Friday)
www.benjaminsforpaul.com (1/17)
www.freeatlast2008.com (1/21)

Talk about consistancy, I think 2 or 3 moneybombs per week is pretty consistant.

Plus we could have minibombs today for the Fox debate and on Tuesday for the New Hampshire primary, as well as any primary afterwards.

The campaign has stated that it needs 23 million dollars some time before Super Tuesday (2/5)

We're bringing in about 50k per day. That won't get us anywhere close to 23 million (it would actually be around 800k by the 23rd. We need the moneybombs.

We can do this. We can raise 23 million by 1/23.

Operation 23:

Instead of debating money bombs, support every single one, and new ones that pop up spontaneously. We know that moneybombs motivate people to donate who normally wouldn't. Why should we take that away? Spread each one around like wildfire. Donate on a day you like, or donate for all of them. But help spread the word and these are guaranteed to bring in new donors along with us every time.

Say we have 7 moneybombs (if we count today's Fox debate as a reason to moneybomb). That would give us 16 non-moneybomb days before the 23rd, bringing in 800k. That would mean we'd have to raise 22.2 million with moneybombs. 7 moneybombs means we'd have to average at 3.17 million for each of those days.

Is that realistic? Not really. RonPaulsPayDay won't bring in 3+ million a pop.

But this math is only based on bringing in 50k on the average day. If we can do more, the average we'd need to raise per moneybomb would drop. Not to mention that if we do well in primaries we'll see some money pour in.

I think it's possible, but only if we get behind it. People like moneybombs so the media can say "x amount of money raised in one day... amazing". But can you imagine the coverage of 23 million in 23 days?

If you support the idea, please, by all means, share it ASAP.

I also think each moneybomb site would need to work together instead of trying to go it alone, as well as mention that we need to reach 23 million, as opposed to setting goals such as "100k people for 10 million in one day" because that just won't happen with such short notice.

To sum it up:

Step 1: Pick a moneybomb and get behind it
Step 2: Donate what you can
Step 3: Go out and spread Ron Paul's message while you still can

Ron LOL
01-06-2008, 05:42 AM
I just got a bitchin' new job, so I should be able to max out. The limits are reset for 2008, right?

jrich4rpaul
01-06-2008, 05:43 AM
I just got a bitchin' new job, so I should be able to max out. The limits are reset for 2008, right?

I'm not sure. I've asked that here myself and never got a solid answer.

Oliver
01-06-2008, 05:46 AM
The problem is that you cannot widely promote 7 moneybombs.
It's wont bring us anywhere like the Teaparty moneybomb that
was widely accepted and promoted.

So my assumption is that 7 moneybombs will confuse a lot of
people and all 7 together will raise less than 6 million dollar.

People here are very selfish with their own personal moneybomb-pet,
and this is how revolutions end - thanks to lacking focus.

But hey, we still can have a blimp ride instead - in the end.

jrich4rpaul
01-06-2008, 05:49 AM
The problem is that you cannot widely promote 7 moneybombs.
It's wont bring us anywhere like the Teaparty moneybomb that
was widely accepted and promoted.

So my assumption is that 7 moneybombs will confuse a lot of
people and all 7 together will raise less than 6 million dollar.

People here are very selfish with their own personal moneybomb-pet,
and this is how revolutions end - thanks to lacking focus.

But hey, we still can have a blimp ride instead - in the end.

It's the free market approach. People promote the one's they like, and anyone who likes them as well will pick those over the others. If not, they'll go elsewhere.

Oliver
01-06-2008, 05:50 AM
I just got a bitchin' new job, so I should be able to max out. The limits are reset for 2008, right?

No, there is no reset. You can spend again once the primaries are over
and each party nominated their candidate.

bucfish
01-06-2008, 05:52 AM
How bout we just spontaneously money bomb today MAX out if you can, remember that you can still give to grassroots. Plus we could acheive 3 goals
1) Demoralize the other "broke candidates"
2) Make Fox News look bad
3) Show how well organized WE really are
4) Make his Hr Long PAID FOR TV more watched than FOX's Forum

Oliver
01-06-2008, 06:00 AM
It's the free market approach. People promote the one's they like, and anyone who likes them as well will pick those over the others. If not, they'll go elsewhere.

That's true - and the reason why all the moneybombs will raise
less than the 6 million at the Teaparty. People don't like too
many choices - they get turned away by that.

Not to mention the loss of promoting one big moneybomb event
like the Grassroots did in the last two big ones. November 11
did go down and was a flop - same will happen in all the different
moneybombs - maybe even worse.

Thanks to those incongruities, we will never raise 23 million. That
wouldn't even be possible if all members in here would give 100
bucks each friday. So the only solution is to get more new donors,
instead bitching on an internet forum - IMHO.

If Ron doesn't get momentum in NH and people come to their
senses that a shared race for a shared goal is the only solution,
then Ron cannot win.

Plus important promotion of Ron's message via traditional advertising
don't get sponsored in the necessary manner.

And the expansive Blimp ran it's course as well.

jrich4rpaul
01-06-2008, 06:02 AM
How bout we just spontaneously money bomb today MAX out if you can, remember that you can still give to grassroots. Plus we could acheive 3 goals
1) Demoralize the other "broke candidates"
2) Make Fox News look bad
3) Show how well organized WE really are
4) Make his Hr Long PAID FOR TV more watched than FOX's Forum

Not everyone can max out today. Spanning it out over the next 23 days will allow people to actually get paid and donate more. If there's a moneybomb after they get paid, they'll be motivated to donate.

Oliver
01-06-2008, 06:03 AM
How bout we just spontaneously money bomb today MAX out if you can, remember that you can still give to grassroots. Plus we could acheive 3 goals
1) Demoralize the other "broke candidates"
2) Make Fox News look bad
3) Show how well organized WE really are
4) Make his Hr Long PAID FOR TV more watched than FOX's Forum

It will be a flop - especially spontaneous moneybombs.

I would love to see that people just use the Ron's payday,
turn their computer off and go out canvassing. All the stupid
discussions would have an end, the official campaign would
get a constant flow of money...

And most importantly:

We would get new donors and supporters! That should be
the highest goal if people really like to get Ron elected instead
having some excitement over a moneybomb and hanging out
in an internetforum.

smartguy911
01-06-2008, 06:07 AM
I only want to support the following because they make the most sense to me -

www.ronpaulspayday.com (1 each Friday)
www.benjaminsforpaul.com (1/17)

bucfish
01-06-2008, 06:10 AM
thats cool just remember that today all the stars ARE alligned for an upset

Remember the UNDERDOG waits until he can get the THROAT!!!

Oliver
01-06-2008, 06:10 AM
I only want to support the following because they make the most sense to me -

www.ronpaulspayday.com (http://www.ronpaulspayday.com) (1 each Friday)
www.benjaminsforpaul.com (http://www.benjaminsforpaul.com) (1/17)

+1

Payday= constant Money flow
Franklin = Constitution = Ron
MLK = WTF does this have to do with Dr.Paul???
Foxbomb = distraction (like all other moneybombs)

jrich4rpaul
01-06-2008, 06:12 AM
I only want to support the following because they make the most sense to me -

www.ronpaulspayday.com (1 each Friday)
www.benjaminsforpaul.com (1/17)

Personally those are my picks as well.

Oliver
01-06-2008, 06:14 AM
Personally those are my picks as well.

So why don't we just go with both options? - They're perfectly
fitting Ron's stance and the campaigns need for a constant
money flow.

jrich4rpaul
01-06-2008, 06:16 AM
So why don't we just go with both options? - They're perfectly
fitting Ron's stance and the campaigns need for a constant
money flow.

Because no matter how hard we try, some won't like these as much as MLK day or ronpaulmoneybomb.com and might not get behind it.

So even if MLK day is just a moneytrickle, it's still better than the average day. No reason to tell them not to do it.

Oliver
01-06-2008, 06:26 AM
Because no matter how hard we try, some won't like these as much as MLK day or ronpaulmoneybomb.com and might not get behind it.

So even if MLK day is just a moneytrickle, it's still better than the average day. No reason to tell them not to do it.

That's fine for me as well that others don't agree. But at the
same time, I don't suspect to get Ron nominated. No shared
course, no success.

bucfish
01-06-2008, 06:27 AM
Forget Fixed Date money Bombs Let's go spontaneous on their A$%'s!!!

jrich4rpaul
01-06-2008, 06:32 AM
Not sharing moneybomb beliefs does not mean we're not on the same page. It's simply fundraising. For 200 years people have gotten elected without moneybombs.

What we need to get together on is canvassing.

bucfish
01-06-2008, 06:38 AM
Well then let's fund raise today and at the same time scare the "broke" candidates, help RP plan, and send a message to the MSM. LETS DO IT!

jrich4rpaul
01-06-2008, 06:42 AM
Well then let's fund raise today

Of course. A little boost to protest debate exclusion is a good thing :)

Yet, a 2,000+ person rally next door to the debate is even better.

jrich4rpaul
01-06-2008, 07:32 AM
bump

jrich4rpaul
01-06-2008, 10:47 AM
bump.