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Myerz
01-05-2008, 11:06 PM
If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul then they've gonna get everything they deserve..... Socialistic/Fascist Dictatorship.

If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul then I hope this country collapses, then and only then will the people realize what is truly going on.

If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul it will truly be embarrassing to call myself an American.

If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul then I truly do despise most Americans just as much or even more than the people who currently hate us.

If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul.....

ionlyknowy
01-05-2008, 11:08 PM
yeah, but if the country collapses, no one will remember that they didnt vote for Ron Paul.

People are THAT dumb.

RM918
01-05-2008, 11:08 PM
Oh well. I'd probably expatriate somewhere with nicer weather.

liberty_Forever
01-05-2008, 11:09 PM
This is what will happen to America if we do not stand up for the Constitution.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aizz0o9fPWU

Alabama Supporter
01-05-2008, 11:14 PM
Freedom may not be as popular as I thought originally.

Azprint
01-05-2008, 11:15 PM
America will eventually collapse, if Paul isn't elected to reverse it. The thing is, will United States collapse Soviet Union style, or will it be something different? If it is something different, I am REALLY worried about it.

Myerz
01-05-2008, 11:15 PM
This is what will happen to America if we do not stand up for the Constitution.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aizz0o9fPWU

Crazy!

I just bought the album off iTunes

A Perfect Circle - eMOTIVe

Nailhead
01-05-2008, 11:18 PM
well when we all break off into small communes after the collapse some proof of votership for Ron Paul needs to be required for entrance into our freedom camps...or else go fend for yourself

christagious
01-05-2008, 11:18 PM
I'm going to quote the band Leftover Crack concerning the future collapse of the US and A (had to throw in some borat there)

And you don't want to see
Through human history,
Empires will always fall
This is the final call

Myerz
01-05-2008, 11:21 PM
well when we all break off into small communes after the collapse some proof of votership for Ron Paul needs to be required for entrance into our freedom camps...or else go fend for yourself

I'll save my proof of votership.

kidal25
01-05-2008, 11:22 PM
i should move to the philippines so my dollar is somewhat stronger even though it is weakening over there also and just have fun with my family there.

chiplitfam
01-05-2008, 11:28 PM
I may be moving to New Zealand, South Island if Ron Paul loses, buy a Harley and read the Bible (not at the same time)!

Have any of you seen the movie Equilibrium? It stars Christian Slater and Sean Bean? It is excellent. It is like a modern 1984. Totalitarian govt.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/

christagious
01-05-2008, 11:31 PM
I'll probably be moving to Costa Rica, Ecuador, or Argentina. Maybe my degree in spanish and education will help me there versus somewhere like new zealand or switzerland

christagious
01-05-2008, 11:32 PM
I may be moving to New Zealand, South Island if Ron Paul loses, buy a Harley and read the Bible (not at the same time)!

Have any of you seen the movie Equilibrium? It stars Christian Slater and Sean Bean? It is excellent. It is like a modern 1984. Totalitarian govt.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/

Are you from Ohio? I know somebody else planning on a move to NZ, I wonder if you're him or not?

CountryboyRonPaul
01-05-2008, 11:33 PM
This is what will happen to America if we do not stand up for the Constitution.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aizz0o9fPWU

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there.

This is what will happen if Americans do not stand up for the Constitution, and instead insist on our current Nanny-State to continue.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jqa4LpdtOD8

chiplitfam
01-05-2008, 11:34 PM
I am in Katy, Texas. They speak English in New Zealand! That is where they filmed Lord of the Rings.

Myerz
01-05-2008, 11:39 PM
My wife is still a Dutch citizen ( legal...so don't freak out! ). If Ron doesn't win we are seriously considering moving to the Netherlands. I know it's socialism, but they've been doing it for allot longer and hey I'll be apart of the EU! YEAH!

At least there I can smoke pot legally.

The only down fall is the global warming.....most of Holland is already below sea level...SHIT!

Ya, New Zealand sounds pretty good.

Seriously though if Ron does not win.....there will be a major exodus. All the critical thinkers!

We can start are own country......and will take the Constitution with us.....I'm sure they won't mind....there not using it.

LiveToWin
01-05-2008, 11:50 PM
Good luck trying to leave the country AFTER the collapse. I will be staying Right here. Live Free or Die.

DAFTEK
01-05-2008, 11:52 PM
With the Euro at almost $1.50 and might hit $2 by summer i predict USA will be a third world country next to the Europeans and make us look like their Mexico, shoot we are already Mexico with the ilagal Mexicans all over the country... I'm going to Europe if Obama wins.. That guy is more dangerous then anyone of them! Well next to RudyFruity. Europeans are already making jokes,, Look they coudnt catch Osama so they vote Obama... WTF is wrong with this nation, its completely blind if they don't see Dr.Paul as the only real candidate for this country..

Dr.3D
01-06-2008, 12:02 AM
I don't blame the people of the United States for the way they vote.

It's the corporate owned media brainwashing that is to blame. How can the message of freedom ever get out the the people if the "Government" owned media censors the truth so people can not see it?

I remember when I was a kid in school, they told me the Soviet Union and China media was run by the government and only reported what the government wanted people to hear. Now, I have to ask you, what is the difference between what the Soviet Union and China was doing and what the United States government is doing? The government is run by the big corporations so I consider the big corporations as being the government.

There needs to be a free press! Our laws have allowed all of the mass media to be taken over (bought) by the greedy rich people so they can control what we hear and see.

Is this what capitalism is all about?

We have the best government money can buy!

nateerb
01-06-2008, 12:04 AM
So... this is a thread about a bunch of pussies who are going to cut tail and run instead of saving their country. Here in Milwaukee, it pretty much looks like we can completely infiltrate the Republican Party within a year or so. Do you even know what the scene looks like in your town? But hey, have a good time smoking pot with the Dutch or Costa Ricans, we all know now that is most important to you. At least a few of us remaining Ron Paul Republicans will stay and run for some kind of office over the next couple years, whether or not Dr. Paul gets the White House.

Off to figure out how to blacklist certain thread starters on this board... I am beginning to know your names by heart now. Bye.

AFTFNJ
01-06-2008, 12:07 AM
America is destroyed by design. When the crash occurs the savior will come in the form of the NAU / Amero & losing national sovereignty to the elitist / bankers.


Too bad everybody is busy with Spears & other bullshit... :(

LiveToWin
01-06-2008, 12:08 AM
So... this is a thread about a bunch of pussies who are going to cut tail and run instead of saving their country. Here in Milwaukee, it pretty much looks like we can completely infiltrate the Republican Party within a year or so. Do you even know what the scene looks like in your town? But hey, have a good time smoking pot with the Dutch or Costa Ricans, we all know now that is most important to you. At least a few of us remaining Ron Paul Republicans will stay and run for some kind of office over the next couple years, whether or not Dr. Paul gets the White House.

Off to figure out how to blacklist certain thread starters on this board... I am beginning to know your names by heart now. Bye.

Im staying in this country no matter what is about to happen. I have been inspired by Ron Paul to get into politics and hopefully I dont have to be a solider first, Though I will should the need arise.

LibertyManiacs.com
01-06-2008, 12:21 AM
Myerz, I like your avitar ;)

NOLA
01-06-2008, 12:49 AM
no need for the pessimism here. America is still a great country.

BigFatRock
01-06-2008, 01:02 AM
Not as long as this Revolution decides to fight.

Guys, we have real power here. We can raise millions in one day. We can bombard groups/Congress/individuals with mail and phone calls. We have something special.

As long as we stick together and fight, we may still have a chance.

Myerz
01-06-2008, 01:08 AM
The government is run by the big corporations so I consider the big corporations as being the government.

It's called Fascism.....

Arek
01-06-2008, 01:08 AM
I actually sat and watched all of idiocracy and I feel it may occur at the rate Americans are being dumbed down.

Myerz
01-06-2008, 01:10 AM
Not as long as this Revolution decides to fight.

Guys, we have real power here. We can raise millions in one day. We can bombard groups/Congress/individuals with mail and phone calls. We have something special.

As long as we stick together and fight, we may still have a chance.

If things get really bad.......things are going to get "really" bad.......Lives lost one way or the other.....seriously!

Myerz
01-06-2008, 01:11 AM
I actually sat and watched all of idiocracy and I feel it may occur at the rate Americans are being dumbed down.


Watchu talkin about Willis?

abruzz0
01-06-2008, 01:12 AM
If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul then they've gonna get everything they deserve..... Socialistic/Fascist Dictatorship.

If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul then I hope this country collapses, then and only then will the people realize what is truly going on.

If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul it will truly be embarrassing to call myself an American.

If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul then I truly do despise most Americans just as much or even more than the people who currently hate us.

If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul.....


This is exactly what I've been saying to myself, and complaining about to others

If Ron isn't elected, it's hard for me to think that these things aren't inevitable for us

RonPaulFTW08
01-06-2008, 01:15 AM
What's with all the paranoia?

pickfair
01-06-2008, 01:16 AM
If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul it will truly be embarrassing to call myself an American.


Right on... I will be an expatriate.

Give me liberty
01-06-2008, 01:17 AM
Dont worry most of the people who Voted for dems and reps who didnt vote for ron paul,

will look back one day in a FEAM camp, they will say (Sheez i wish i voted for ron paul)

(Who was that other freedom candidate again? oh ya right ron paul, i wish america voted for him)

dont worry some time in the future people will learn there mistakes, as for now they are all to busy watching FOX nosie or CNN news telling them on who to vote for.


Why? BECAUSE AMERIACANS ARE BRAINSWASHED BY THE TELEVISION AND THE NEWS NETWORKS.

NoxTwilight
01-06-2008, 01:19 AM
I could technically move to Canada as I have permenant landed immigrant status from when I was a kid and my stepfather, who is Canadian took my mom and me up there. I came back and have been here since I was 19.

But I won't. I won't abandon my country or my sheeple country men. I will fight along with every other freedom loving American until we do have our country back, until it is better, until the sheeple have been woken up and re-educated. No matter what it takes.

.

Craig_R
01-06-2008, 01:22 AM
Bunch of fair weather patriots, whats the matter afraid to get you hands dirty?

Pauls run has been the only thing stopping me from grabbing some steel and demanding my rights.

some of you fuckers make me sick.

pickfair
01-06-2008, 01:25 AM
Well, let's say RP doesn't get elected and we get another president. What do we do? Gather up our arms? Maybe if this was 1776 I would like that idea, but I'm not sure what a revolution is supposed to look like in this modern age. In any case, if we're going to fight, count me in. Only tell me that we really are going to fight.

PatriotG
01-06-2008, 01:26 AM
Good luck trying to leave the country AFTER the collapse. I will be staying Right here. Live Free or Die.


Damn Right!

I see alot of people saying in this forum:

"Im going here if the SHTF"
"Im moving to this place" Blah Blah

you know what,

Im sorry, but I personally find this a little insulting every time someone makes a statement like this.

I have no intention on going anywhere no matter what happens.
And what the hell makes you think wherever you go your going to be better off?

This country is mine and yours.
For F$^%# sake my father fought in three wars for this country, so many men have died to make this country what it is.
How can I turn my back on that? How can you?

If you walk away, sorry....run away, you are not a patriot. Period.
If the same ideals held true back in the revolutionary war, we would be living in a British commonwealth now.

PatriotG

pickfair
01-06-2008, 01:29 AM
So somebody please tell me how exactly we can fight the oppressive and corrupt administration we'll undoubtedly end up with if RP doesn't get elected.

disciple
01-06-2008, 01:31 AM
Those who do not vote for Ron Paul are losers. The following post that I wrote yesterday go a little deeper into why on the spiritual level:


"Many of us are probably wondering right now as how is it that a great man of principle, character, and integrity, like the esteemed and honorable Dr. Paul, whose platform is one that promises peace, freedom, prosperity and security to all, fails to win the overwhelming support of the people! You would expect that a true stateman like Ron Paul should have won with 90% of the popular vote and not the measly 10%.

After all, who, in his own right mind, would reject a platform that would give him back 100% of the fruits of his labor, respect his privacy, to live free in peace and prosperity, and held innocent till proven guilty!

Was it ignorance, was it apathy, fear and insecurity! Or was it blind bigotry, a raging lust for war and killing fueled by a deep hatred for a real or perceived enemy!

Or is it that man' s nature hasn't changed much over the long centuries: truth and honesty persecuted by falsehood and hypocrisy, righteous men scorned and abused!

Why is it that the world and the lovers of the world have always rejected and despised those who speak the truth, those who care about their fellow human beings, who believe in the golden rule, who loved much and sacrificed much!

Dr. Ron Paul, I believe, is such a man: a sincere and humble man, a brave soul who stood tall and spoke truth to power, whose aspiration is to awaken the sleeping and brainwashed masses, to give them back the fruits of their labors, their liberty and their freedom, and to put a stop to the conspiracy of fraud, theft, and deception.

Two thousand years ago, a man of light and great wisdom gave us an insight into the workings of human nature:

"..Again Jesus said: `There went forth many men to sell figs. But when they arrived at the market-place, behold, men sought not good figs but fair leaves. Therefore the men were not able to sell their figs. And seeing this, an evil citizen said: "Surely I may become rich." Whereupon he called together his two sons and [said]: "Go ye and gather a great quantity of leaves with bad figs." And these they sold for their weight in gold, for the men were mightily pleased with leaves. Whereupon the men, eating the figs, became sick with a grievous sickness.'

...Again Jesus said: 'There went forth two men to sell apples. The one chose to sell the peel of the apple for its weight in gold, caring nought for the substance of the apples. The other desired to give the apples away, receiving only a little bread for his journey. But men bought the peel of the apples for its weight in gold, caring nought for him who was fain to give them, nay even despising him.'

`They that bear good figs are the true teachers who preach good doctrine, but the world, which taketh pleasure in lies, seeketh from the teachers leaves of fine words and flattery. The which seeing, Satan joineth himself with the flesh and the sense, and bringeth a large supply of leaves; that is, a quantity of earthly things, in which he covereth up sin; the which receiving, man becometh sick and ready for eternal death.

`Those two men that sell apples are - the one, he who preacheth for love of God, wherefore he flattereth none, but preacheth in truth, seeking only a poor man's livelihood. As God liveth, in whose presence my soul standeth, such a man is not received by the world, but rather despised. But he who selleth the peel for its weight in gold, and giveth the apple away, he it is who preacheth to please men: and, so flattering the world, he ruineth the soul that followeth his flattery. Ah! How many have perished for this cause!'

Jesus of Nazareth


The two parables above clearly elucidate on how the majority of men ( the sheep)fall for flatterers, deceivers, and hypocrites. Men who are driven by lust, greed, and power, are well received, while truthful men who gave much, not seeking compensation or reward, are scorned and despised. This is a testimony from the Master himself that goes to show that our fight is right and just; and that it is our life, our future and the future of our children, our sacred rights, and those of our fellow citizens, that we are defending and demanding. We should also Know that the lives and the well-being of millions of our fellow men, women, and children, are at stake, and that humanity itself is in peril.

This may be the test of our lifetime. So let's stand up now for truth, peace, and justice, not only for our campatriots but for all men, and let's support the man who believes likewise, and never ever give up, for God is with us."

disciple
01-06-2008, 01:33 AM
So somebody please tell me how exactly we can fight the oppressive and corrupt administration we'll undoubtedly end up with if RP doesn't get elected.

Civil disobedience!!!

PatriotG
01-06-2008, 01:35 AM
So somebody please tell me how exactly we can fight the oppressive and corrupt administration we'll undoubtedly end up with if RP doesn't get elected.

I hope and pray every day it doesn't eventually come to violent revolution. I would like to see, and believe ultimately that right, can and will prevail through peaceful means. But shit...if it has to come down to a fight....so be it.

How can we do it peacefully, were are doing it now through with talk and discussion, awareness. Im working hard to spread RP's messages and it is going OK, I have a few converts under my belt, I dont plan on stopping until November.

after that lets see what happens.

Michigan11
01-06-2008, 01:35 AM
We are all on the same page here really.

We are all sick and tired of these mindless, sheeple floating around, gathering in heards, not knowing what the hell they are doing anymore.

We all desperately are fighting to get Ron Paul elected, and we really want him to win, so we can say to ourselves, we can do it using the system, these fuckers created.

If not, we are all ready to do whatevere we have to do to say Fuck You Sheeple, get your ass out of my wallet and off my lawn!

AFTFNJ
01-06-2008, 01:45 AM
I never said I was giving up.

liberty_Forever
01-06-2008, 01:52 AM
Yeah. The experiment in radical human self-determination began here. I'm not leaving.

Mattsa
01-06-2008, 02:03 AM
If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul then they've gonna get everything they deserve..... Socialistic/Fascist Dictatorship.

If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul then I hope this country collapses, then and only then will the people realize what is truly going on.

If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul it will truly be embarrassing to call myself an American.

If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul then I truly do despise most Americans just as much or even more than the people who currently hate us.

If the people of America do not vote for Ron Paul.....

If you want to know what America will be like if it doesn't break free from the corporate fascists and creeping totalitarianism, just come and visit the UK and you'll get a pretty good idea where you'll end up

Gallon of petrol = $10
CCTV cameras on every street
20%+ sales tax
Extortionate taxation
Speed cameras everythere
Ultra intrusive snooping by the government
State control of healthcare and education
Ban on ownership of firearms

All these things have happened in the UK already

Don't let it happen to the USA

liberty_Forever
01-06-2008, 02:05 AM
Violence is not the solution; all the greatest movements in history have been peaceful mass uprisings. The solution if things really got bad would organizing national strikes, etc.

PatriotG
01-06-2008, 02:05 AM
I should move to the philippines so my dollar is somewhat stronger even though it is weakening over there also and just have fun with my family there.

Sounds Like A Plan!
Dont Come Back when we emerge victorious!

I'll probably be moving to Costa Rica, Ecuador, or Argentina. Maybe my degree in spanish and education will help me there versus somewhere like new zealand or switzerland.

Sounds Like A Plan!
Dont Come Back,after we have emerged victorious

My wife is still a Dutch citizen ( legal...so don't freak out! ). If Ron doesn't win we are seriously considering moving to the Netherlands. I know it's socialism, but they've been doing it for allot longer and hey I'll be apart of the EU! YEAH!
At least there I can smoke pot legally.

Sounds Like A Plan!
Dont Come Back,after we have emerged victorious

From An older thread

I'm actually thinking Hong Kong

Sounds Like A Plan!
Dont Come Back,after we have emerged victorious

If Ron Paul doesn't make it, I'm thinking Tahiti, the Dominican Republic, Switzerland, or possibly Ireland. The Free State Project looks really good, but I'm not sure it'll be in place in time to fend off impending martial law in the next year or two.

Sounds Like A Plan!
Dont Come Back,after we have emerged victorious

Check out Panama.
NO THANKS!

Dave Pedersen
01-06-2008, 02:06 AM
Here in the United States we have a heritage of freedom like no other place on Earth. The constitution is born in our blood. In other nations they have a desire for freedom but the idea that it is not granted by the government but rather is our inheritance is not thus ingrained. Liberty is etched into our consciousness and imprinted on our genetic code. Freedom pulses through our veins and sings in our breast. In no other land is there innate knowledge of what it means to live free or die. Those who choose to fight with pen or sword will never find soil so well favored upon which to make a stand, by the sides of their brethren. United We Stand.

The sheep among us will awaken or perish but we the people by the grace of our God in heaven shall prevail.

oparea
01-06-2008, 02:07 AM
Yeah. The experiment in radical human self-determination began here. I'm not leaving.

I think we are on the same level here. :) Right on!

Craig_R
01-06-2008, 02:09 AM
Violence is not the solution; all the greatest movements in history have been peaceful mass uprisings. The solution if things really got bad would organizing national strikes, etc.

bullshit, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants from time to time.. its about our time.

liberty_Forever
01-06-2008, 02:09 AM
Yeah, Amen.

Craig_R
01-06-2008, 02:11 AM
Here in the United States we have a heritage of freedom like no other place on Earth. The constitution is born in our blood. In other nations they have a desire for freedom but the idea that it is not granted by the government but rather is our inheritance is not thus ingrained. Liberty is etched into our consciousness and imprinted on our genetic code. Freedom pulses through our veins and sings in our breast. In no other land is there innate knowledge of what it means to live free or die. Those who choose to fight with pen or sword will never find soil so well favored upon which to make a stand, by the sides of their brethren. United We Stand.

The sheep among us will awaken or perish but we the people by the grace of our God in heaven shall prevail.

QFT

AceNZ
01-06-2008, 02:12 AM
I may be moving to New Zealand, South Island if Ron Paul loses

A year ago, I did exactly that! ...before I heard of Ron Paul.

I used to think the US was great -- and I still do, mostly. But you certainly get a different perspective on things when you don't live there. The constant media distortion is much more obvious from here.

Plus, NZ is just sweet. If RP gets elected, I might consider moving back... but it's pretty damn nice here.

BTW, if you're planning to emigrate after the shit hits the fan, think again. NZ has very strict immigration rules and only accepts a small number of people each year (many of whom come from the UK). When the number of applicants goes up, it will go from being just difficult to get in, to close to impossible.

liberty_Forever
01-06-2008, 02:12 AM
Please check out Naomi Wolf and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr regarding "what do we do now" (besides get RP elected). Here is an excellent Naomi Wolf interview.

"End of America - Naomi Wolf - Interview"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aW9PulYpjGs


Of course I agree we have the 2nd amendment to protect ourselves against criminals and tyrants. That's what it's there for!

Mattsa
01-06-2008, 02:14 AM
I may be moving to New Zealand, South Island if Ron Paul loses, buy a Harley and read the Bible (not at the same time)!

Have any of you seen the movie Equilibrium? It stars Christian Slater and Sean Bean? It is excellent. It is like a modern 1984. Totalitarian govt.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/

New Zealand is a beautiful place but be warned

The government is very very socialist.

The police are zero tolerant

Wages are poor and taxes ar high

There are serious social problems in New Zealand with alcohol and drug abuse

New Zealand has a very high suicide rate

It is not utopia.

If I were you, I'd stay in the USA and fight for your freedom there. The USA has so many advantages over other countries, you'd be crazy to give up all the great things you have to live anywhere else.

Just get these NeoCons out of office and take back control of the media and you'll be on your way back

liberty_Forever
01-06-2008, 02:15 AM
Yeah, alot of people around the world are looking to us here in America to make a stand. So let's get these neocon bastards the hell out.

AceNZ
01-06-2008, 02:23 AM
Here in the United States we have a heritage of freedom like no other place on Earth. The constitution is born in our blood. In other nations they have a desire for freedom but the idea that it is not granted by the government but rather is our inheritance is not thus ingrained. Liberty is etched into our consciousness and imprinted on our genetic code. Freedom pulses through our veins and sings in our breast. In no other land is there innate knowledge of what it means to live free or die. Those who choose to fight with pen or sword will never find soil so well favored upon which to make a stand, by the sides of their brethren. United We Stand.

The sheep among us will awaken or perish but we the people by the grace of our God in heaven shall prevail.

Well written; inspiring even... However, I'm not sure what country you live in, but it sure as hell isn't the United States. There may be pockets of people who feel like you do, but the majority are, I'm afraid, asleep at the wheel.

America is actually one of the most fascist countries on the planet. If you really think you're free, if you really think liberty is etched into the common person's consciousness, you need to take a closer look around. What I see is fascism and socialism, not liberty. People live under the oppressive weight of government, and then actually ask for more.

I hope, and believe, that Ron Paul could reverse that trend -- and that a minority of highly motivated people could propel him into office. But the country has a LONG way to go before it can be truthfully called the "land of the free" again.

liberty_Forever
01-06-2008, 02:29 AM
Everyone in America taught to believe in the Constitution. This will help us as it is the ultimate law of our country.

AceNZ
01-06-2008, 02:37 AM
New Zealand is a beautiful place but be warned

The government is very very socialist.

I hear that comment a lot, for some reason, and it's just wrong. They're a lot less socialist that the US is (or the UK).



The police are zero tolerant

Not sure where you got that from. I find the police to be MUCH more friendly (and tolerant) than those in the US.



Wages are poor and taxes ar high

Compared to what? You could same the same thing about the US and the UK.

NZ has no death tax, no tax on capital gains on home sales, property taxes are a small fraction of what they are in the US, the income tax form is only like 4 pages long....



There are serious social problems in New Zealand with alcohol and drug abuse

Serious compared to what? Things are a hell of a lot better here along those lines than anywhere I've ever traveled to in the US. Especially on the south island.



It is not utopia.

Of course. No place is perfect.

However, they do respect personal liberty here, and they understand and respect the concept of personal responsibilty -- MUCH more so than in the US.



If I were you, I'd stay in the USA and fight for your freedom there. The USA has so many advantages over other countries, you'd be crazy to give up all the great things you have to live anywhere else.

Advantages? Like what?

Crazy? Yes... right. Nevermind. Ignore everything I said. NZ is terrible. No one would ever like it here. It's awful. Communist, even. Don't move here. Please.

RPFP
01-06-2008, 03:02 AM
I stopped reading after the something post of i'll move. I continued to listed to perfect circle though!!!!!! Hell yea!!!!! I'm gonna stay here in the United States of America this is my country and i'm not gona give it up without a fight, even if.., no Paul will win. Its not over yet, and... damn you all for implying it, i'm still staying here. I kinda wish people would stop comparing this revolution to the one that started in the late 1700's. Yes we are part of a revolution. The only comparison we have with that revolution (so far!!!!!!!) is that it has just begun and will last not for one measly campaigning year, but will last untill it changes the United States.

zbus12
01-06-2008, 03:26 AM
May the LORD grant us a leader in Ron Paul! May HE have mercy on this nation of ours and spare us from the peril that is due us all for our disobedience. If Ron Paul does not get elected, you can know that judgment is coming to this nation. We need to be on our knees praying that the Lord would have mercy on us all and grant us an ABLE leader like Ron Paul.

Psalm 50:22
“Now consider this, you who forget God,Lest I tear you in pieces, And there be none to deliver!

Job 12:23
He makes nations great, and destroys them;He enlarges nations, and guides them.

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Joshua 23:3
You have seen all that the LORD your God has done to all these nations because of you, for the LORD your God is He who has fought for you.

SO let us take council from God and pray that he grant us repentance and faith in him, and he will restore us and our nation.

I URGE YOU PRAY FOR MERCY NOW. PRAY FOR THIS ABLE LEADER!

LBT
01-06-2008, 04:02 AM
America isn't finished!

Ron Paul's campaign has promoted the ideas of liberty to a large audience more than anyone in human history.

His ideas have taken off and are becoming dominant on the internet, the forefront of future media and communication.

Provided there is not some type of armagedon, it would seem logical that as time progresses more and more people will become familiar with the ideas of liberty via their experiences on the internet.

Lamestream media is dying and it will be forced to more closely reflect the ideas presented in online debates. Lamestream media will basically become the reporters of the internet, reporting to the aging sheeples who don't want to use the internet.

In following elections I think the debate will continue to change and we will have more successful candidates representing libertarian / classical liberal / old-right / jeffersonian positions.

It's silly to get overly disappointed after seeing the greatest promotion of the ideas of liberty in human history :D

The Tao Of Bill
01-06-2008, 04:15 AM
America isn't finished!

Ron Paul's campaign has promoted the ideas of liberty to a large audience more than anyone in human history.

His ideas have taken off and are becoming dominant on the internet, the forefront of future media and communication.

Provided there is not some type of armagedon, it would seem logical that as time progresses more and more people will become familiar with the ideas of liberty via their experiences on the internet.

Lamestream media is dying and it will be forced to more closely reflect the ideas presented in online debates. Lamestream media will basically become the reporters of the internet, reporting to the aging sheeples who don't want to use the internet.

In following elections I think the debate will continue to change and we will have more successful candidates representing libertarian / classical liberal / old-right / jeffersonian positions.

It's silly to get overly disappointed after seeing the greatest promotion of the ideas of liberty in human history :D


EXACTLY! people need to stop acting like Ron Paul is the end all. He's not. I mean yeah times are going to be shitty without him. But this is only the begining of the revolution. I encourage everyone to continue to spread the word and we WILL take this country back.

I suggest you guys check out my thread "Plan B" we need to start thinking about the possibility of Ron Paul losing and how to move forward without him. And in order to do that we need to get some strict constitutionalists with a qualified background to run for congress. And we need to convince Ron Paul to drop all third party intentions (he claims he has none anyway) and have him run for reelection to congress instead. If we can't take the whitehouse we can at least try to fill a couple seats in congress.

The movement doesn't end with Ron Paul. It begins with him. Whether he wins or loses this movement is going no where but forward.

liberty_Forever
01-06-2008, 04:25 AM
Yeah , exactly !


It would suck without Dr. Paul but this is about the movement for liberty ! I take my marching orders from the US Constitution!

bucfish
01-06-2008, 04:34 AM
I got lots of contacts do you? let's put out a spontaqneous call for those to almost max out. They should hold back a lil for the 21st moneybomb. But can you imagine what this would do for the campaign an uncalled for money bomb and one in which we raise more money in a day than we raised all last quarter. Imagine that? Get back with me Let's Make it aHappen!!!

The spontaniety of it would be the most awesome part.
We would have nothing to lose and FREEDOM to gain.

Plus what could one say if we can get 10k of the last 60k who donated for the teaparty to max out plus many others to give what they can we could raise more than 23 million in one day.


Let's Make the 1hr paid for by RP be more watched than the Fox news forum.

Together we can accomplish anything!!!

I know this is a last minute call to action but that is what makes it great we have people digging this and I encourage all to spread to all your contacts. Let's Make IT Happen!!!

Spread this message to ALL your contacts and Local Metups. I maxed out already on my meetup emails but LET"S DO THIS!!!

Alex Libman
01-06-2008, 04:55 AM
If Ron Paul wins in NH, the Free State Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project) might still be worth considering. If not... start learning Japanese...

If you're going to live in a collectivist country, you might as well live in one that's economically sound (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_current_account_balance) and no longer fights in offensive wars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index). Yes, they're still almost a colony of the U.S., but it won't stay that way forever!

It has lower taxes (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/tax_tot_tax_as_of_gdp-taxation-total-as-of-gdp) (in spite of the fact that they have more urban infrastructure per capita and get better socialized health-care), and instead of importing cheap labor they're inventing robots and other new technologies. They've just privatized their post office (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Post) and social security! They are the #2 largest economy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_GDP_estimates_%28nomin al%29) in the world, and if you exclude socialist dumps like India and China it will probably remain the #2 country for most of the 21st century. Tokyo is the biggest city in the world in terms of GDP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP) and population, and has some of the lowest crime rates in the world!

Its GDP/capita and HDI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HDI) is higher than France or Germany, and is growing faster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28real%29_growth_rate_pe r_capita). The demand for people who know both Japanese and English is very high.

And, after learning Japanese, other East-Asian "tiger" economies will be more accessible to you as well. They're the future...

(Check out the links embedded above for more info.)