Wyoming?

[Oliver]

What the heck is going on in Wyoming? There is
a complete media-blackout about the caucuses.

Isn't there any source for the latest results?

And what does this mean? :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22419475

Delegates per candidate so far (Top 3 Iowa winners):

1. Obama = 16 delegates
2. Edwards = 14 delegates
3. Hillary = 15 delegates

1. Hucky = 30 delegates :eek:
2. Romney = 7 delegates
3. Thompson = 0 delegates

WTF???

Why does Edwards get less delegates than
Hillary - if she got the third place behind
Edwards? How screwed up is that system?

[Paul10]

....

[homah]

Wyoming starts in 3 minutes. I don't think it will be covered very well, considering the state has a population of around 500k.

[literatim]

I think Biden there is a mistake, they mean Edwards.

[angelatc]

I am guessing they meant Edwards, not Biden.

[Oliver]

Absolutely no one voted for him. The closest was Richardson with 2% lmao

Sorry, I meant Edwards ... OP fixed ...

But why does Hillarious get more delegates than
Edwards if she was third and Edwards was second
in Iowa? "The loser takes it all" ? :confused:

And why gets Romney 30 delegates and the second
Winner Romney only 7 - while the third winner on the
republican side only gets nothing but condolences.

I wonder if there is any way to make an election more
complicated, confusing and undemocratic as in the US,
no kidding here. :mad:

[literatim]

I wonder how many Ron Paul has... hmm

[angelatc]

Wyoming starts in 3 minutes. I don't think it will be covered very well, considering the state has a population of around 500k.

And the GOP is mad at Wyoming, so there is probably an order from above not to cover the event.

[homah]

And the GOP is mad at Wyoming, so there is probably an order from above not to cover the event.

Wouldn't surprise me...I can't find any links to live results so far except this one:

http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2008/state.shtml?state=WY

[angelatc]

Sorry, I meant Edwards ... OP fixed ...

But why does Hillarious get more delegates than
Edwards if she was third and Edwards was second
in Iowa? "The loser takes it all" ? :confused:

Maybe she won more counties?

[Oliver]

Maybe she won more counties?

How complicated is that? Who the **** invented
such an undemocratic election system in the first
place ... Charles Manson? :confused:

[stefans]

am I right that we can't expect anything for ron paul tonight and there isn't even a straw poll like in iowa?

[angelatc]

How complicated is that? Who the **** invented
such an undemocratic election system in the first
place ... Charles Manson? :confused:

IMHO, it seems to mimic the theory behind the electoral college. Should the 2 or 3 most populous counties get all the say in how the state is run? Majority rule equates to mob rule.

[Oliver]

am I right that we can't expect anything for ron paul tonight and there isn't even a straw poll like in iowa?

I wouldn't wonder if they just skip Wyoming since
"We the People" surely means nothing in US elections.

"Delegates" .... PFFFFFT! :mad:

[Oliver]

IMHO, it seems to mimic the theory behind the electoral college. Should the 2 or 3 most populous counties get all the say in how the state is run? Majority rule equates to mob rule.

It's one big mess. And the different state voting systems
make it even more undemocratic. I still don't get it why
the top3 democrats got an almost shared amount of delegates
while on the republican side, Huckabee gets 30 delegates and
Romney only 7.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Delegates per candidate so far (Top 3 Iowa winners):[/B]

1. Obama = 16 delegates
2. Edwards = 14 delegates
3. Hillary = 15 delegates

1. Hucky = 30 delegates :eek:
2. Romney = 7 delegates
3. Thompson = 0 delegates

WTF???

Why does Edwards get less delegates than
Hillary - if she got the third place behind
Edwards? How screwed up is that system?

I don't think those statistics are right, I am pretty sure Paul got 2 delegates and Thompson and McCain both got 3 delegates.

[Oliver]

I don't think those statistics are right, I am pretty sure Paul got 2 delegates and Thompson and McCain both got 3 delegates.

Well, I would suspect that MSNBC wouldn't make
such horrendous errors - but this is exactly what
their flash-statistics says:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22419475

[stefans]

I don't think those statistics are right, I am pretty sure Paul got 2 delegates and Thompson and McCain both got 3 delegates.

I'm not sure either(I'm not even sure anyone is ;) but I think they publish something like delegate-equivalents of the straw poll.
but the real delegates are voted on by each caucus seperately, so the winner of each caucus usually takes them all.
that would explain why huckabee got so many.

[szczebrzeszyn]

I don't think those statistics are right, I am pretty sure Paul got 2 delegates and Thompson and McCain both got 3 delegates.

Nobody got anything in Iowa. Nothing was decided! The numbers you see on CNN are just an estimation based on the straw poll results from the 3rd. It's even described on CNN webpage. Delegates will be decided in March or so.

EDIT Wyoming is actually the first state, that will decide 12 RNC delegates TODAY. That's why it's important for us.

[Oliver]

I'm not sure either(I'm not even sure anyone is ;) but I think they publish something like delegate-equivalents of the straw poll.
but the real delegates are voted on by each caucus seperately, so the winner of each caucus usually takes them all.
that would explain why huckabee got so many.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/sick032.gif

[Oliver]

Wait a second. Are you people saying that

NO ONE UNDERSTANDS THE ELECTIONS!!???

Why didn't someone change it then? Who invented
it in the first place??? ... I'm baffled.

[szczebrzeszyn]

US elections process is a total mess. Or rather, defective by design.

[Oliver]

Well, maybe we have a little luck and the
Wyoming GOP remembers that it's caucus day
(for the Republicans) :

http://www.wygop.org/

[literatim]

US elections process is a total mess. Or rather, defective by design.

No it isn't.

[Oliver]

US elections process is a total mess. Or rather, defective by design.

The more I learn about US-elections and try to
understand the rules, the more I tend to think
that the whole election system is a CRIME.

It has nothing to do with "We the People" if the
people don't understand it and instead some
delegates vote for the people and the Media
can ignore whoever they want.

There are probably hundreds of leaks which
could be used to rig the elections. It's a shame
for the number one western nation. And far away
from a democracy. (Not even mentioning third
parties chances).

[stefans]

states rights don't really work in this area I guess...
or how can you explain that those states didn't agree to a sane election process in all the years?

[ShowMeLiberty]

I don't think those statistics are right, I am pretty sure Paul got 2 delegates and Thompson and McCain both got 3 delegates.

You are correct. The link is not.

[Frossty]

Very confusing. And this 2 party system is very undemocratic, third party can not even make it on the ballots.

[malkusm]

Let's not argue right now over whether or not the democratic process in this country is a good one. It's what we have to deal with.

What I want to know is, when will we start seeing results from Wyoming?

[lnieves]

First delegate in Wyoming went to Romney: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=826580&postcount=2

[Melissa]

here is one way to watch

http://news.aol.com/elections/primary/state/WY/republicans

[Copperhed51]

17% of precincts reporting and Romney is winning with 2 votes? I hope I'm reading this wrong.

[szczebrzeszyn]

with 2 delegates, out of 12

[misc]

17% of precincts reporting and Romney is winning with 2 votes? I hope I'm reading this wrong.

he has 2 delegates.

there is no voting going on.

[Sey.Naci]

I asked this before and nobody answered: How many precincts are there?

[Oliver]

I asked this before and nobody answered: How many precincts are there?

In Iowa? If I counted correctly: 96

Source: http://www.politico.com/iowacaucuses/iowamap-popup.html

[Oliver]

Update concerning Wyoming:


Romney Grabs Early Lead in Wyo Caucuses (http://www.muscatinejournal.com/articles/2008/01/05/ap/politics/d8tvsp000.txt)
Muscatine Journal, IA - 2 minutes ago
Mitt Romney grabbed the early lead in Wyoming's Republican caucuses Saturday as the state had its brief moment in the political spotlight sandwiched between ...

Romney takes early lead in Wyoming caucuses (http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/727740,010508wyominggop.article)
Chicago Sun-Times, United States - 2 minutes ago
Mitt Romney grabbed the early lead in Wyoming's Republican caucuses Saturday as the state had its brief moment in the political spotlight sandwiched between ...

Romney Grabs Early Lead in Wyo Caucuses (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/politics/wire/sns-ap-wyoming-caucuses,0,830730.story)
Baltimore Sun, United States - 4 minutes ago
Mitt Romney grabbed the early lead in Wyoming's Republican caucuses Saturday as the state had its brief moment in the political spotlight sandwiched between ...

Romney grabs early lead in Wyo caucuses (http://www.localnewswatch.com/jordanfalls/stories3/index.php?action=fullnews&id=234217)
Jordan Falls News, Canada - 6 minutes ago
Mitt Romney grabbed the early lead in Wyoming‘s Republican caucuses Saturday as the state had its brief moment in the political spotlight sandwiched between ...

Romney Grabs Early Lead in Wyo Caucuses (http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2008/01/05/ap/politics/d8tvsp000.txt)
Wyoming News, WY - 6 minutes ago
Mitt Romney grabbed the early lead in Wyoming's Republican caucuses Saturday as the state had its brief moment in the political spotlight sandwiched between ...

Romney grabs early lead in Wyo caucuses (http://www.newsone.ca/hinesbergjournal/stories1/index.php?action=fullnews&id=118097)
Hinesberg Journal, Canada - 7 minutes ago
Mitt Romney grabbed the early lead in Wyoming‘s Republican caucuses Saturday as the state had its brief moment in the political spotlight sandwiched between ...

Romney grabs early lead in Wyo caucuses (http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/431910.html)
Kansas City Star, MO - 8 minutes ago
Mitt Romney grabbed the early lead in Wyoming's Republican caucuses Saturday as the state had its brief moment in the political ...

Romney grabs early lead in Wyo caucuses (http://www.star-telegram.com/667/story/392050.html)
Fort Worth Star Telegram, TX - 8 minutes ago
Mitt Romney grabbed the early lead in Wyoming's Republican caucuses Saturday as the state had its brief moment in the political spotlight sandwiched between ...

Romney grabs early lead in Wyo caucuses (http://www.localnewsleader.com/olberlin/stories3/index.php?action=fullnews&id=234217)
Olberlin, KS - 8 minutes ago
Mitt Romney grabbed the early lead in Wyoming‘s Republican caucuses Saturday as the state had its brief moment in the political spotlight sandwiched between ...

Romney grabs early lead in Wyo caucuses (http://www.leadingthecharge.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=234217&source=2)
Leading The Charge, Australia - 9 minutes ago
Mitt Romney grabbed the early lead in Wyoming‘s Republican caucuses Saturday as the state had its brief moment in the political spotlight sandwiched between ...

[Oliver]

Quite interesting how similar all messages are...
"Copy and paste media" ... The voters friend ...

[Oliver]

Romney is leading in Wyoming
(only one source for this info (AP)) :

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/external/search.hosted.ap.org/wireCoreTool/Search?SITE=TXMID&query=wyoming

[LiveFreeorDie]

Besides the 12 delegates chosen at Saturday's county conventions, two delegates to be chosen at a statewide convention in May will also be sent to the national convention in Minneapolis.

More: http://www.timesunion.com/aspstories/BNsection.asp?CatDesc=Nation&CatID=&SubCatID=

[gracebkr]

Wyoming sure is slow to count for only 800 people, I think my five year old would be quicker.

[speciallyblend]

i dont think it will be good for wyoming. i wish it was but so far it shows across the country that americans are clueless ,thank msm for that. hopefully ill eat crow,but in my eyes i dont see anything in wyoming look ing good if we get 1 delegate great .I'm expecting 0 or 1 ,we can only wait ,but delays mean nothing,so if people think the delay is good ,then we are in trouble

[fortilite]

I'd be happy for 1 now.

[Paul4Prez]

Wyoming sure is slow to count for only 800 people, I think my five year old would be quicker.

It's not just a simple count. It's county level conventions, where the winner needs a majority. They vote in multiple rounds, with the lowest ranking candidate dropping out after each round, until someone has a majority.

[cjhowe]

How complicated is that? Who the **** invented
such an undemocratic election system in the first
place ... Charles Manson? :confused:

Delegate apportionment is used to prevent disingenuous individuals from swaying the will of the party. The following two county example should make it clear.

County A:
400 Registered Voters
100 Republicans
100 Democrats
100 Independents
100 Don't cast votes

County B:
400 Registered Voters
50 Republicans
150 Democrats
100 Independents
100 Don't cast votes

If every vote counted equally, the Democrats could abandon their primary in County B and vote for a weak Republican, thus having influence in the Republican Party. In a delegate system, County A would have twice as many delegates as County B. If the Democrats were to vote in the Republican primary in County B it would do very little to sway the voice of the party.

The delegates are often determined based on a formula using the number of votes the party leader (Gubernatorial candidate) received in a general election from that district. The only way the Democrats could sway a Republican primary is if they vote for the opposition party leader and then vote in the primary. Nobody plays that kind of long ball.

[ajuggalossickness]

sorry the obviouse problem here is partison politics and the whole idea of parties periode

However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.
GEORGE WASHINGTON, Farewell Address