Ron Paul ToolBar

[Razmear]

Just heard about this, it's being set up by one of the local meetup orgainzers around here.

http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?refid=23

The basic idea is they make money by having folks use this toolbar for searching then pass the cash on to grassroots projects.
Check the site for details.

eb

[Mark]

Nice idea - where the money goes - eh.. not much choice there

[paulette]

Downloaded! This seems like a really good thing.

[Razmear]

Bump.
I just installed it and its actually kinda nice. It's even got a media player with a preset for Ron Paul Radio and a nice RP graphic.

eb

[Razmear]

Nice idea - where the money goes - eh.. not much choice there

I think they just started this, and you can suggest other uses for the cash towards grassroots RP projects.
The top 10 referrers/moneymakers get to vote on the winning projects.

eb

[rpfan2008]

!! I am a bit skeptical abt it ..rit now I am using stumble-upon tool bar like many others of our fellow revolutionist are using, whenever I find a good article about Ron Paul I tag that with a general term like 'US Presidential 2008', 'Politics','Iowa Caucus' etc. and click 'I like it' so that other ppl looking for these subjects find Ron Paul even if they are not looking for him..but If we stick to your toolbar we can only exchange finds within ourselves and not with other folks WHO ARE NOT USING THIS TOOLBAR so we are kind of isolating ourselves ...dont you ppl think so..

other than that making money for Ron Paul part is very impressive and no arguments about that

[Razmear]

Bump.

[Joe3113]

!! I am a bit skeptical abt it ..rit now I am using stumble-upon tool bar like many others of our fellow revolutionist are using, whenever I find a good article about Ron Paul I tag that with a general term like 'US Presidential 2008', 'Politics','Iowa Caucus' etc. and click 'I like it' so that other ppl looking for these subjects find Ron Paul even if they are not looking for him..but If we stick to your toolbar we can only exchange finds within ourselves and not with other folks WHO ARE NOT USING THIS TOOLBAR so we are kind of isolating ourselves ...dont you ppl think so..

other than that making money for Ron Paul part is very impressive and no arguments about that

use both

[Razmear]

I tried to stick this in my sig but couldn't get it to work.

http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/banner4.gif (http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?refid=23)

[Razmear]

Bump.

[Macon, GA]

O.k. I don't know anything about computers....

Will this run on my Mac? Will this in any way mess up my computer?

[Razmear]

O.k. I don't know anything about computers....

Will this run on my Mac? Will this in any way mess up my computer?

There is a plug in for IE and FireFox, so I guess if FireFox runs on your mac it should work fine.

eb

[Razmear]

Bump for the day shift.
Get it, Search for useless shit with it, money goes to Ron Paul Grassroots Projects, and the guy who set it up is 100% legit and from my neck of the woods.

eb

[Abyss]

Ok, well how much does this get per search??

[Razmear]

Ok, well how much does this get per search??

No clue what exact payouts are. I'm guessing they get a flat fee for every install (like the Firefox and Picasa Google downloads which pay $1 per download to the referrer) but don't know for sure what makes the most money. I'll check with Chris and see if he has any info on how we can maximize it's earnings.

eb

[itshappening]

we need to get some critical mass on this so it makes some $

[Razmear]

Create an account after downloading and you get access to banner codes.


http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/banner4.gif (http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?refid=23)

If we could get one on RPF or DP that would be great.

eb

[anewvoice]

Info on whether this has FEC impact?

[Razmear]

Info on whether this has FEC impact?

Same concept as the blimp funding I believe, FEC should not be involved to the best of my knowledge

Re how the revenue is earned.
For Yahoo searches hitting the 'relevant ads', there is no bonus for just installing it, in the very near future (They are still in "Pre-Launch Phase") buying products from Amazon via the Toolbar will earn a percentage (expect that in a day or two).

eb

[TheHand]

I hate being a skeptic but has some computer savvy person looked at the code? We would be a ripe target for a scam with all the money we donate. I'm NOT saying this is and I really like the idea but we need to be careful as many of us use our computers to donate. Again, I'm not saying anything bad about this project. Period. Just asking for someone to really look at it carefully. I'l jump in, in a heart beat if I'm sure it's safe. Thank you.

[anewvoice]

I hate being a skeptic but has some computer savvy person looked at the code? We would be a ripe target for a scam with all the money we donate. I'm NOT saying this is and I really like the idea but we need to be careful as many of us use our computers to donate. Again, I'm not saying anything bad about this project. Period. Just asking for someone to really look at it carefully. I'l jump in, in a heart beat if I'm sure it's safe. Thank you.

Good points. Is the source code available for review?

[darbsllim]

Hey guys I'm working with Chris on this project - just want to let you know that this is a partnership with yahoo - there's no set $ value per download, we only raise money for Ron Paul with searches.

There's also no set $ value with searches either, it's different for every search.

Please don't click the sponsored search results if you're not actually interested in the product being advertised...however, if you are interested in the product being offered, I strongly suggest you click the sponsored search result and take a good look at the website =)

Yahoo allows us to incentivize searches, but they don't want click fraud.

Thats pretty much all I can say about that for now...hope you catch my drift.

On the website we estimate that if we had 100,000 people searching once a day, we could donate $300,000 per month to fund the Ron Paul Revolution - that is an estimate based on previous number with non-profit toolbars...however it may be higher or lower than that.

We are going to be building a live counter/tracker that will tell everyone in real time what we're making for the grassroots projects.

Thanks for your interest guys - remember, if you have a campaign that you need funding for - promote the heck out of ronpaultoolbar (with your link of course) and you get 1 out of 10 votes to say where 50% of the money goes for the month!

[Razmear]

I hate being a skeptic but has some computer savvy person looked at the code? We would be a ripe target for a scam with all the money we donate. I'm NOT saying this is and I really like the idea but we need to be careful as many of us use our computers to donate. Again, I'm not saying anything bad about this project. Period. Just asking for someone to really look at it carefully. I'l jump in, in a heart beat if I'm sure it's safe. Thank you.

The same guy on the backend of this applet also does the same thing for Toys for Tots and other charity programs, the code is clean and the plan is legit.

eb

[darbsllim]

I hate being a skeptic but has some computer savvy person looked at the code? We would be a ripe target for a scam with all the money we donate. I'm NOT saying this is and I really like the idea but we need to be careful as many of us use our computers to donate. Again, I'm not saying anything bad about this project. Period. Just asking for someone to really look at it carefully. I'l jump in, in a heart beat if I'm sure it's safe. Thank you.


Valid concerns but you have nothing to worry about - the toolbar is digitally signed - you can't get a digital signature with a toolbar that has any sort of adware, virus or spyware on it.

Also, we're using the same toolbar that the Susan G Komen Foundation & Toys For Tots uses.

It's very safe, and it's going to generate a lot of money for the cause =)

Also, you'll get great updates via the toolbar's messenger feature from someone who's been organizing Ron Paul events since day 1 :)

[tcmaroc]

nice

[TheHand]

Valid concerns but you have nothing to worry about - the toolbar is digitally signed - you can't get a digital signature with a toolbar that has any sort of adware, virus or spyware on it.
Fair enough but how do I verify this signature? I'm really not trying to be a downer here because I LOVE this concept!

[Razmear]

http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/banner4.gif (http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?refid=23)

Bumpage...

[TheHand]

Fair enough but how do I verify this signature? I'm really not trying to be a downer here because I LOVE this concept!
Perhaps that was unfair. Here is what I really meant. How do we now it was digitally signed? Like I've said I love this idea but just want to be safe.

[Razmear]

http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/banner4.gif (http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?refid=23)

Blumpage...

[darbsllim]

I hate being a skeptic but has some computer savvy person looked at the code? We would be a ripe target for a scam with all the money we donate. I'm NOT saying this is and I really like the idea but we need to be careful as many of us use our computers to donate. Again, I'm not saying anything bad about this project. Period. Just asking for someone to really look at it carefully. I'l jump in, in a heart beat if I'm sure it's safe. Thank you.


Fair enough but how do I verify this signature? I'm really not trying to be a downer here because I LOVE this concept!

I'll find out for you~

[darbsllim]

Hey - you can tell that it is safe because when you go to download it, it says it is verified for FreeCause Inc ..

When you download an unsigned product it says unsigned or unverified.

[crink]

Well... i got and i'll use it. But i won't like it. I much prefer google. But i'll use yahooh for Dr.Paul.

[kidal25]

this should be stickied

[darbsllim]

Google doesn't allow incentivized searches, we preferred google as well - but thankfully Yahoo will allow us to incentivize searches for Ron Paul!

[crink]

Bump (this is actually an awesome idea)

[darbsllim]

Bump (this is actually an awesome idea)

Thanks - we think so as well! 100,000 daily users is nothing!

[crink]

bump

[crink]

Do they pay for any link you click or just sponsored ones?

[TheHand]

bump

[rancher89]

Still can't figure out how to vote on who gets the money?????

[darbsllim]

Still can't figure out how to vote on who gets the money?????


There's a box on the left where you can cast your vote.

[rancher89]

not working for me, will try tomorrow....

[z7trance]

I hate being a skeptic but has some computer savvy person looked at the code? We would be a ripe target for a scam with all the money we donate. I'm NOT saying this is and I really like the idea but we need to be careful as many of us use our computers to donate. Again, I'm not saying anything bad about this project. Period. Just asking for someone to really look at it carefully. I'l jump in, in a heart beat if I'm sure it's safe. Thank you.+1

[TheHand]

Ok. I'm going to install it in my Firefox browser. May I suggest you submit it to
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/

[constitutional]

Done, installed it.

[constitutional]

There's a box on the left where you can cast your vote.

You seem very suspicious to me with only 8 posts. Please assure us that what YOU are saying is true... give us proof buddy. If you don't, I will personally make sure no one installs this toolbar and those that have installed it, uninstalls it.

[TheHand]

I've voiced some security concerns about this addon. I have now installed and scanned this program with Norton 360, Ad-Aware, Spybot and SuperAntiSpyware. I updated all those programs before the scans. Good deal! :D

[Razmear]

Return from work bumpage:

http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/banner4.gif (http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?refid=23)

eb

[TheHand]

I think this should be a stikey!

[TheHand]

Sticky! Sorry for the spelling.

[simranjits]

Signed up , i think this is the only way to ensure adequate funding for blimp and other projects!

[Razmear]

Is someone here Troy Ge? He's moving a lot of toolbars.

http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?Stats

eb
ID #23


http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/banner4.gif (http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?refid=23)

[kutibah]

Signed up!

[Razmear]

Blump

[Mark]

Is there anyway to just make it so the toolbar money collected goes to a specific cause instead of putting it into a "general" fund?

i.e. - One grassroots cause gets 100 people to use the toolbar and the money earned goes to that specific cause.

[Mark]

Is there anyway to just make it so the toolbar money collected goes to a specific cause instead of putting it into a "general" fund?

i.e. - One grassroots cause gets 100 people to use the toolbar and the money earned goes to that specific cause.

I was seriously interested in this because it's very hard to trust some anonymous person on the web to handle this much money without pocketing it.

[Razmear]

I was seriously interested in this because it's very hard to trust some anonymous person on the web to handle this much money without pocketing it.

I don't think it would be possible to divide the revenue up into an unlimited number of possible grassroots projects that each installer could choose.
As far as the "anonymous person on the web" I've worked locally with Chris Lawton in SC and I trust him completely with this project.
Back when we set up the Spam Spartanburg Food Drive, it was Chris who lent use of his pickup and BJs membership and helped us buy the food that day. He has been doing a lot of grassroots work for Ron Paul for many months now and this is his latest project.

eb

[Mark]

The domain name server for ronpaultoolbar.com is --> "http://cashcliques.com/

All contact info is hidden for both thetoolbar AND cashclicks : WhoisGuard Protected


this is beginning to smell.


Warning found on MySpace - Showing some problems:


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Posted by: "Alice Smith"
Sun Jan 6, 2008 4:19 am (PST)

I made a posting about this on the Ron Paul list, but forgot to post
something on this list. I'd like to warn everyone to use some caution
when downloading anything on to your machine from an unknown source.

I just did a WhoIs search for who or what organization is behind this
website and it appears to me that it's not the normal info that one
usually finds when one is looking to see who has sponsored or set up a
web site. Normally, if you do a WhoIs search for a website, the info
comes back with the owner of the company or if it's a large company, a
contact. If it's a paper, you'd come back usually with the editor, if
it's just an individual, you'd come back with their name. Something
doesn't look right to me with this toolbar WhoIs search.

The info that comes back is that it's owned by a Meg Browning and the
email contact is iwantgreatskin@yahoo.com. (This email is associated
with 129 other domains) I've never heard of a Meg Browning, so I did a
search. It appears that a Meg Browning is some kind of singer, but then
again, maybe it's a person with the same name. Whatever the case,
something doesn't smell right to me so I'd use caution before installing
something like this to your system.

Scam artists may be wanting to cash in on Ron Paul's popularity, I don't
know if this is legit or not... better to be safe than sorry.
Alice

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Posted by: "Ira J. Madsen"
Sun Jan 6, 2008 4:16 am (PST)

I may be "one in a million", but the Toolbar boogered up my Firefox
something awful! The browser froze up evertime I tried to use it. And,
when you try to uninstall it, you get "offers" for other toolbars,
instead of just deleting it.

Again, I may be unique, I don't know. But this isn't my cup of tea.

Ira J. Madsen
Springfield, Mo
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[constitutional]

Any proof that this guy is going to donate 100% and not 50% or 0%?

[TheHand]

This is such an easy, safe way to help the campaign. Not to mention that it's FREE. I just don't get why people aren't flocking to this in droves.

[Mark]

Cashcliques forum is showing some frustration too - people not getting paid -

http://cashcliques.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1195281314

[Mark]

This is such an easy, safe way to help the campaign. Not to mention that it's FREE. I just don't get why people aren't flocking to this in droves.


Because it's a rip-off? Who are you? One of the operators?

[Mark]

Any proof that this guy is going to donate 100% and not 50% or 0%?


No - and if you look at the cashcliques forum - he's not paying anyone else either.

IT LOOKS QUITE LIKE A SCAM!!

[literatim]

Yeah, I don't trust it at all.

[matthylland]

i downloaded...very nice

[Mark]

Yeah, I don't trust it at all.

Yeah - that "hard to separate" the money is malarkey. It's quite easy to include an option for the money to go to a certain individual cause.

No contact info ANYWHERE except a form that says it may take days to be responded too.

I've got a bridge for sale.

[Mark]

i downloaded...very nice

Interested in a bridge?

[TheHand]

Because it's a rip-off? Who are you? One of the operators?

LOL. Read my previous posts. I would like to hear from the creators about the latest allegations.

[Mark]

LOL. Read my previous posts. I would like to hear from the creators about the latest allegations.

The cashcliques forum isn't enough? They've got a business already ripping people off.

More than likely this is their newest adventure.

[darbsllim]

Still can't figure out how to vote on who gets the money?????

you just post it on the left - what can't you figure out?

"25" GREAT REASONS
TO DOWNLOAD THE
NEW "RON PAUL TOOLBAR"!


1. It's FUN
2. It's FREE
3. It's SAFE
4. It's EASY
5. It's QUICK
6. It's SIMPLE
7. It's PRACTICAL
8. It's REAL MONEY
9. It's TOTALLY SECURE
10. It's FOR GREAT RP CAUSES
11. It Leverages the POWER of TOTAL Grassroots Community
12. Digitally Signed to Ensure No Spyware, Adware, Bugs or Viruses
13. Vote on YOUR Favorite Ron Paul GrassRoots Projects for FUNDING
14. You Can Listen to Ron Paul Radio 24/7 from the ToolBar (if you like)
15. It's "CONSTITUTIONAL" in Nature! Congress=Popular Votes; Top Ref.=Senate Votes
16. Receive IMPORTANT UPDATES/ ALERT Via Tool Bar vs. email Spam Blockers
17. YOU select where ALL the money goes by YOUR popular vote - VOTE (50%)
18. TOP "10" LEADER BOARD selects where the other 50% of the money goes
19. YOU can share with ALL your Friends, Family and Neighbors
20. Goes on ANY/ALL Computer, Home, Business, Laptop, etc.
21. It's allows for WORLDWIDE/International Participation
22. It's Exclusive to Ron Paul Grassroots Efforts
23. You can personalize it to your location
24. 100% Privacy - NO Spam
25. WEEKLY PAYOUTS!*

What are you waiting for?

DOWNLOADED YOUR "FREE" RON PAUL TOOLBAR TODAY! (http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?refid=8)

[wis4rp]

Need better info, at present, this smells of scam. I'd like to believe, I really would, but I'm not finding much reassuring information.

[darbsllim]

You seem very suspicious to me with only 8 posts. Please assure us that what YOU are saying is true... give us proof buddy. If you don't, I will personally make sure no one installs this toolbar and those that have installed it, uninstalls it.

TheAmistad - I just registered because I heard people were asking questions about the toolbar.

I've been too busy to come to the forums until now. I've been working hard on the Ron Paul Toolbar with Chris for about a month now - been focusing on that.

The toolbar is the same toolbar used by the Susan G Komen Foundation, Toys For Tots and many more charities. Previous to this project, most recently I got off of a Christmas charity project which was successful on facebook.

I used the toolbar for the month of December to raise money to give children gifts at Christmas time - here's a couple pictures from that successful drive:

http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/christmas1.jpg

http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/christmas2.jpg

Other than that not sure what I can say - other than I completely understand you being cautious and wanting more info - hopefully you can put your faith and trust in this project and work with us to take advantage of our Yahoo partnership & fund the grassroots projects!

[darbsllim]

Is there anyway to just make it so the toolbar money collected goes to a specific cause instead of putting it into a "general" fund?

i.e. - One grassroots cause gets 100 people to use the toolbar and the money earned goes to that specific cause.

Mark - we feel the best way to do it is to let the people decide where the money goes.

The way it's set up is you can cast your vote on the left - if you want us to add a cause, email us and we'll add it. at the end of the month we'll take half the money and split it up by the % of votes received.

Then we'll contact the top 10 referrers of the month, and they get to decide where the other 50% of the money raised goes.

So if you have a project you want funding for, you could promote the toolbar and then get funding at the end of the month by voting for your own project! It works the same.

lets say there's $10,000 earned the first month - $5000 would go by popular vote amongst all the grassroots efforts voted on.

Then the top 10 will each get a say in where the other $5000 goes.

Hope that clarifies it!

[darbsllim]

To Mark and anyone else who is concerned about Cash Cliques. We have been paying since day 1, and we're still paying our Cash Cliques members.

I'm too busy to go into the forums, I'd rather spend my time elsewhere like building the Ron Paul Toolbar project!

When we checked fraud data, over 50% of our members were trying to defraud us. This caused a lot of extra work and delays in payments, members were complaining - but we can't help that. We've been paying since day 1 and we're still paying.

It's just the nature of people that we attracted with a Paid To Click website - those people for the most part are inherently greedy - trying to get more out of us than they deserve, setting up 10 or 20 multiple accounts to try to scam more money out of us - then when we catch them, they complain.

Thats why I decided to shift focus from paying individual people to paying charities or causes - the people that are attracted to causes and charities are of a much higher caliber.

So please rest assured that we've been paying our members, and there's always going to be complaints when you run a business - can't help that.

Regarding the private registration - frankly thats the reason why it's a private registration - I didn't want thousands of people from Singapore and Pakistan knowing my contact information - if anyone wants my contact info, please send me a private message, I have no quams about chatting with anyone on the phone.

I completely understand that you guys have to be certain that this is legit - so I don't mind answering these questions and even chatting with you guys over the phone. Lets just get this all out of the way now so we can concentrate on really pushing the Ron Paul Toolbar and funding the revolution!

[Razmear]

Bump!


http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/banner4.gif (http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?refid=23)

eb

[darbsllim]

Also - this has nothing to do with Cash Cliques or any other website that's hosted on the server.

This is mainly being run by Chris Lawton - it's just hosted on the same server as Cash Cliques.

[yongrel]

ooh
downloaded

[yongrel]

jeez

the blimp is taking the funds from this too.

oi vey

[yongrel]

so wait...

what does pasting this:

<a href="http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?refid=73" target="NewWin"><img src="http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/banner4.gif"></a>

do in regards to tracking my use of the toolbar?

[darbsllim]

well the blimp seems like it's getting a lot of votes - but Call 4 Paul is going strong.

Also remember that the top 10 referrers get to decide where 50% of the money goes monthly, so if you have a project you'd like to direct money to - make sure to vote and then refer a lot of people!

Pasting that code puts up a banner that links to your name so you get credit for referring people - it only works on html enabled forums, blogs or websites - the correct code for this forum would be to put

[*url=http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?refid=73*][*img*]http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/banner4.gif[*/img*][*/url*]
(but remove the *s)

that gives you this:

http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/banner4.gif (http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?refid=73)

[wis4rp]

Why don't I see a detailed FAQ at 'ronpaultoobar/about' ancticipating these questions?

darbsllim, your time would be better spent updating the site than making posts here.

[TheHand]

bump

[in4one]

www.raady.com has had a toolbar for a few days now. They also have a start page that they use to generate funds for local grassroots campaign.

[TheHand]

Pasting that code puts up a banner that links to your name so you get credit for referring people - it only works on html enabled forums, blogs or websites - the correct code for this forum would be to put Where do you paste it so it shows on your posts?

[darbsllim]

www.raady.com has had a toolbar for a few days now. They also have a start page that they use to generate funds for local grassroots campaign.

The raddy toolbar is a good example of an UNISGNED toolbar.

When you go to download it, it says in red "Unsigned" - wheras when you go to download ours, it lets you know that it's safe.

Also - nowhere on the raddy site does it say they are going to donate money to Ron Paul efforts... and as far as I know they really can't because Google does not allow incentivized searches, whereas our contract with Yahoo does.

If I were you I'd stick with ronpaultoolbar.com

[darbsllim]

Regarding a FAQ - I thought we answered most questions on the website - which questions should I put in the FAQ if I make one?


Where do you paste it so it shows on your posts?

as far as I know, the IMG tag is turned off on this forum - so you'll have to manually paste it on all of your messages if you want the image to come up on your posts.

[TheHand]

bump

[darbsllim]

Going pretty well so far! So far we've got about 400 toolbar downloads.

Lets keep up the momentum guys!

[Razmear]

Bump!


http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/banner4.gif (http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/cgi-bin/myapp/app.cgi?refid=23)

eb

[chuck]

Grassroots needs to stop using obscure internet methods. if a nerd doesn't already support Paul its too late. Paul needs to be advertised on mainstream ways, like Facebook, music, celebs, etc.

[pcosmar]

I don't really use a tool bar much, My FireFox only has what I use.
I did try it though ( a good thing for those that like them).
I use linux and the IM and radio did not integrate with my system. I could probably hack it but have other things to keep me busy right now.
Maybe after the 15th.

[darbsllim]

I don't really use a tool bar much, My FireFox only has what I use.
I did try it though ( a good thing for those that like them).
I use linux and the IM and radio did not integrate with my system. I could probably hack it but have other things to keep me busy right now.
Maybe after the 15th.

pcosmar - well - whether or not the toolbar is compatible with your system, the main thing is that any searches done through the Ron Paul toolbar go to benefit Ron Paul grassroots campaigns!

If you used the yahoo search box on the Yahoo toolbar for your monthly searches, you could contribute a lot of money to the effort!

I and everyone else would appreciate if you spread the word on the toolbar, the more people using this toolbar for free searches, the more we can donate!

It's not insignificant either.

If we had 100,000 people doing 1 search a day, we could donate up to $300,000 per month.

Imagine if we had 1 million users doing 1 search a day...that could be up to $3,000,000 per month all for FREE.

[amy31416]

ARGH. I hate this toolbar and can't get it off my computer! No response from the makers yet, it keeps putting ghost images over my browser and slowing things down.

I'd love to use it to help the campaign out, but this is driving me batty!

[yongrel]

ARGH. I hate this toolbar and can't get it off my computer! No response from the makers yet, it keeps putting ghost images over my browser and slowing things down.

I'd love to use it to help the campaign out, but this is driving me batty!

Same. I wanted to help out, but it halved the speed of my browser.

[amy31416]

Same. I wanted to help out, but it halved the speed of my browser.

How'd you delete it? (Obviously not one of those tech-savvy RP supporters ;))

[darbsllim]

ARGH. I hate this toolbar and can't get it off my computer! No response from the makers yet, it keeps putting ghost images over my browser and slowing things down.

I'd love to use it to help the campaign out, but this is driving me batty!

Sorry to hear you're having problems.

What do you mean it's putting ghost images over your browser and slowing things down?

What operating system are you running and what browser are you using the toolbar on?

Have you downloaded any other toolbars besides the Ron Paul Toolbar?

[darbsllim]

Same. I wanted to help out, but it halved the speed of my browser.

Thats very odd - so yongrel you are also experiencing 'ghost images' and slowness with the toolbar?

I've never heard those complaints before, and there are literally hundreds of thousands of downloads of this toolbar template.

What browser are you using and what operating system?

[amy31416]

Sorry to hear you're having problems.

What do you mean it's putting ghost images over your browser and slowing things down?

What operating system are you running and what browser are you using the toolbar on?

Have you downloaded any other toolbars besides the Ron Paul Toolbar?

I'm using Windows XP and running Mozilla Firefox as my browser. I have several toolbars, the usual Navigation and Bookmarks toolbar, those are the ones I have showing right now (aside from the RP one), I have Yahoo, StumbleUpon and LiveTV available, but I rarely use them.

The Ron Paul one doesn't even show up on the "View" options.

What I mean by "ghost images" is that when you click on "messages" the shadow of the image stays on my screen and blinks a lot when you scroll down. Wish I could describe it better.

I don't like that I don't have the option to have it show or not show when I want, I also don't like that I can't delete it if I want because I can't find it. That little drop-down mailbox thing totally screws up my system.

[amy31416]

I caught a screen image, you can see where the square drop-down mail thing is dropped down--I didn't click on it. And when I'm using Firefox, the outline of this box stays there.

It also seems to spontaneously drop down when I click from tab to tab. Annoying when I'm trying to read something.

http://aycu08.webshots.com/image/38967/2003586859412727032_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003586859412727032)

Heh, when I clicked to add the image, the mailbox dropped down. Funny stuff.

[darbsllim]

I'm using Windows XP and running Mozilla Firefox as my browser. I have several toolbars, the usual Navigation and Bookmarks toolbar, those are the ones I have showing right now (aside from the RP one), I have Yahoo, StumbleUpon and LiveTV available, but I rarely use them.

The Ron Paul one doesn't even show up on the "View" options.

What I mean by "ghost images" is that when you click on "messages" the shadow of the image stays on my screen and blinks a lot when you scroll down. Wish I could describe it better.

I don't like that I don't have the option to have it show or not show when I want, I also don't like that I can't delete it if I want because I can't find it. That little drop-down mailbox thing totally screws up my system.


If the message system is whats giving you grief, please keep the toolbar installed and use the yahoo search to benefit the grassroots - but get rid of the messager.

click on the 'hope for america' image and click on Layout Manager.

Then remove the "Message" component.

You shouldn't have any more problems after that!

[amy31416]

If the message system is whats giving you grief, please keep the toolbar installed and use the yahoo search to benefit the grassroots - but get rid of the messager.

click on the 'hope for america' image and click on Layout Manager.

Then remove the "Message" component.

You shouldn't have any more problems after that!

Oyyyyyy....now the mailbox dropdown thing is stuck in the open position with no way of closing it! This is pretty funny, in a way.

I'm just going to have to figure out a way how to delete it, it isn't working for me.

[amy31416]

Okay, please just let me know an easy way to remove this from my computer. I don't want to randomly and unknowingly delete stuff from my computer that I might need and use.

It's just not working for me. I tried it.

[darbsllim]

Okay, please just let me know an easy way to remove this from my computer. I don't want to randomly and unknowingly delete stuff from my computer that I might need and use.

It's just not working for me. I tried it.

can you please take a screenshot of the problem so that I can give it to the tech guys - you can uninstall it by going to tools > addons

[darbsllim]

bump

[darbsllim]

Chris Lawton was on Justin.tv today talking about the toolbar, did anyone catch it?

[darbsllim]

bump

[darbsllim]

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO FROM CHRIS LAWTON FOR TOOLBAR MEMBERS

Ron Paul At Bob Jones University - January 18, 2008
http://www.highlandmediaworks.com/ronpaul

South Carolina & Nevada primaries on tomorrow (January 19) get out and vote!

[darbsllim]

:confused:

We don't collect any personal information about you.

The only information that is collected is:

1) the sponsored links you click on
2) the ip address that the click came from

this is so that Yahoo can know how much to pay, and to make sure the clicks are fraudulent.

so again, I understand you being concerned, but we've explained it pretty well and given lots of opportunity to personally chat with us about it.

Please refrain from making accusations that we are 'data mining' and installing malware or spyware.

Thanehand - I'm glad you know how to look for suspicious activity - don't you think we've tested and made sure that our toolbar is safe? If you don't believe us then just test it yourself instead of scaring people and smearing our name and our efforts.

I'm pretty disappointed right now that a lot of people think we're installing spyware on their computers because of a select few who keep saying that we're doing something fishy.

We've given you our personal phone numbers to call us and chat about this - we've tried to give you as much information as possible, there's nothing else we can do.

Either you chose to trust us, or you chose not to trust us.

It feels like some of you have obviously made up your minds that the toolbar is not safe and just refuse to accept that it is one of the most powerful tools to fund the revolution out there.

For those who are still open-minded to the toolbar but have questions, 864-325-6400 is Chris's phone number. If you have any questions, call Chris Lawton - thats his cell phone and he's happy to talk to anyone!

For those who are supporting the toolbar, thank you so very much! We're doing awesome, downloads are growing every day and we'll be soon making our first donations (the end of the month). Keep telling everyone you know about the toolbar and help us get 100,000 Ron Paul Supporters to install this toolbar FREE on their computers so we can donate $300,000 per month!

P.S.

This is why I hate post counts...maybe Chris only has 8 posts on here because he's spent every spare minute of the last 6 months of his life dedicated to getting Ron Paul elected elsewhere, Chris has over 6000 posts on his meetup group.

Please people, enough with the accusations, you're only hurting the grassroots - this is a brilliant idea, and it should be embraced.

[Abyss]

Ok, and bTW the easiest way to UNinstall is to go into add and remove programs from control panel, and remove entry called "Ron Paul" with some numbers behind it.

[darbsllim]

HELLO & WELCOME EVERYONE OF YOU, WHOM FROM THIS DAY FORWARD, WILL BE KNOW AS, THE RON PAUL TOOL BAR FOUNDING MEMBERS!

THANK YOU! EACH OF YOU, FOR JOINING ON THE INITIAL PRE-LAUNCH OF THE RON PAUL TOOLBAR!

What occurs after we go FULLY operational, will STAGGER THE IMAGINATION!

This simple, safe, secure, fun tool bar on 100,000+ desktops, searching a couple of times per day, will generate over $300,000 per MONTH! This money will go to the Ron Paul Grassroots Efforts, where it's sent is decided by (YOU & I) the GRASSROOTS!

NO CAMPAIGN INVOLVEMENT! - AND NO TRICKY VOTING MACHINES!

You and I decide as a 'MASSIVE ONLINE MOVEMENT' - and NOT for any other reason than, that we are FREE to do so!

The simple knowledge that a lot of people doing a little bit can create such an excitement, is truly MAGNIFICENT!

We will be testing our first months closing on Feb. 1, 2008, as well as resetting the votes, resetting the 'Leader Board' with previous months totals still being displayed. We will keep YOUR past months efforts showcased on a graph below called 'January 2008 Leader Board', in March we will add a YTD (year to date total) for a 3rd graph.

ALSO, SOME MORE GREAT NEWS!

OUR searching has already earned $1300+ and with a little push this last few hours we anticipate to break the $1500 barrier + we are now over 3200 downloads, and checks will be 'PRINTED, ISSUED & MAILED VIA PRIORITY MAIL' right after Feb. 1st!

Since we are still in in the pre-launch phase - we made a decision to take the TOP 3 Voted projects for 50%, and the Top 10 Leader Board must submit via email to chris@voteronpaulpresident2008.com your recommendations for your personal Top 3. They can be listed OR one of your personal favorite grass roots project not listed on the project ballot! This gives the TOP 10 Leader Board WINNERS a little more discretion - we'll also start a TOP 20 Leader Board conference call, that we'll announce next week!

The (2) RSS Feeds of Lew Rockwell & Ron Paul Official Blog should be on your NEWS button as well as RonPaulTV...we should also have http://ronpaulrevolutionradio.com/listen.shtml added shortly in the radio media section.

In addition, we will soon be listing the following TOP Ron Paul Websites in you drop down menu on toolbar for your convenience!

http://www.dailypaul.com/

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/

http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/news/

http://ronpaulgraphs.com/

http://www.paulunteer.com/

http://paulcash.slact.net/

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Front-Page.htm

http://knowbeforeyouvote.com/

http://www.ronpaulreasons.com/

http://wiki.ronpaulpresshub.com/index.php?title=Polls#Active_Polls

We are also looking forward to giving YOU live statistical data on # of downloads & money earned with (hopefully) running graphs over at http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/ btw - does anyone have any contacts over at http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/? I'll need to talk to them once this LIVE COUNTER goes online!

We do have a small snag - If anyone of you have sent me a message via the feedback bar, it is sending me the same message over and over - please email me directly @ chris@voteronpaulpresident2008.com until we correct this feature.

OH! Most importantly - for the skeptics over at Ron Paul Forums - We have a surprise for you!

We will be adding a 'Testimonial Page' with the pictures of the checks as well as the audio links or youtubes from the the recipients after they receive the money!!

And just for FUN, we are looking at adding a LIVE chat room for those that would like to chat unmoderated, but polite - middle of February!

Again ... THANKS everyone for being so patient, we look forward to funding the the R3VOLTION one search at a time!

SPREAD THE WORD - SPREAD THE WORD! THE QUICKER WE GET TO 100,000 THE MORE IMPACT WE CAN MAKE!

CAN ANY OF YOU IMAGINE A MILLION USERS?

If you have an urgent requests or questions, feel free to call me 9-9 EST
864-325-6400 or 800-790-7959

Chris Lawton

PS - once we go over 25,000 downloads the checks and voting will be GO WEEKLY!

PPS - Top 20 Leader Board Members - we'll need your physical addresses for that SPECIAL GIFT from http://ronpaulstickers.com/!

[darbsllim]

we've made our payments for January! Come on folks, everyone pitch in and download the toolbar for free lol

[athlon64bit]

The RonPaul ToolBar is a virus, according to my Kaspersky antivirus and a person on ronpaulforum.com

Ross

[athlon64bit]

You seem very suspicious to me with only 8 posts. Please assure us that what YOU are saying is true... give us proof buddy. If you don't, I will personally make sure no one installs this toolbar and those that have installed it, uninstalls it.

It is a virus,

My kaspersky antivirus detected it when I went to the site. It specifically logs credit card details and passwords according to my kaspersky AV.

Ross

[Edu]

Let's get ronpaulbillboards to set up a google toolbar and/or a yahoo one so we don't have to worry about it. ronpaulbillboards has been doing a great job with funds and is trusted.

[adam1mc]

The RonPaul ToolBar is a virus, according to my Kaspersky antivirus and a person on ronpaulforum.com

Ross


Are you sure? I would say that it's probably an FP with Kaspersky but I can't recreate their warning with their current def set (2008.02.11). If you're a customer you should send them an email and advise them of the FP.

I'm a malware researcher for a major AV/AS and I've dissected the program and I don't see any malicious components or activities.

Ron Paul.exe doesn't open any ports or create any backdoors. I don't see any keyboard, or other type of system hooks. The program does hook the search results but most toolbars do. The search hook is created by FreeCause (http://freecause.com/) and the program hooks the yahoo search engine.

I see links to We the People Radio Network, Ron Paul Radio, Ron Paul Revolution Radio, Lew Rockwell and Daily Dose. I don't see any malicious traffic.

The installer creates 3 exes and 12 dll's, none of which appear malicious ( troubleshooter.exe, uninst.exe, updatetoolbar.exe, bookmarksplugin.dll, emailchecker_plugin.dll, helper.dll, imageconversion.dll, mimesniffer.dll, msgboxplugin.dll, radioplugin.dll, rssreader_plugin.dll, searchcomponent.dll, statplugin.dll, toolbar.dll, weatherplugin.dll) and only standard registry entries appear under:

HKCR fctb18497.
HKCU software\fctb18497
HKCR freecauseurlsearchhook.fctoolbarurlsearchhook
HKLM software\fctb18497
HKLM software\classes\fctb18497.fctb18497

A few CLSID's
HKLM software\classes\clsid\{0d343d34-0c2c-4392-9a2e-7a803d752814}
HKLM software\classes\clsid\{aacaef9a-17e4-4ee8-a9cc-613b785caec6}
HKLM software\classes\clsid\{ee51cd61-6dd8-4470-9e0c-c97d332b3742}
HKLM software\classes\clsid\{eeb79245-1236-424c-a5de-bd1a510a05a6}
HKLM software\classes\typelib\{6790cb65-6299-4e9e-b653-b657bf8fa4b5}
HKLM software\classes\typelib\{7019c732-e9f7-4faa-a617-5ac14769c72f}

And a BHO
software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\explorer \browser helper objects\{ee51cd61-6dd8-4470-9e0c-c97d332b3742}







VirusTotal.com comes back clean from everyone but Clam and their diagnosis appears to be an FP because this definitely isn't a FakeAlert.



File Ron_Paul.exe received on 02.11.2008 18:00:59 (CET)
Current status: finished
Result: 1/32 (3.12%)
Compact Compact
Print results Print results
Antivirus Version Last Update Result
AhnLab-V3 2008.2.12.10 2008.02.11 -
AntiVir 7.6.0.62 2008.02.11 -
Authentium 4.93.8 2008.02.11 -
Avast 4.7.1098.0 2008.02.10 -
AVG 7.5.0.516 2008.02.11 -
BitDefender 7.2 2008.02.11 -
CAT-QuickHeal None 2008.02.11 -
ClamAV 0.92 2008.02.11 Adware.Fakealert-21
DrWeb 4.44.0.09170 2008.02.11 -
eSafe 7.0.15.0 2008.02.11 -
eTrust-Vet 31.3.5527 2008.02.11 -
Ewido 4.0 2008.02.11 -
FileAdvisor 1 2008.02.11 -
Fortinet 3.14.0.0 2008.02.11 -
F-Prot 4.4.2.54 2008.02.11 -
F-Secure 6.70.13260.0 2008.02.11 -
Ikarus T3.1.1.20 2008.02.11 -
Kaspersky 7.0.0.125 2008.02.11 -
McAfee 5226 2008.02.08 -
Microsoft 1.3204 2008.02.11 -
NOD32v2 2865 2008.02.11 -
Norman 5.80.02 2008.02.11 -
Panda 9.0.0.4 2008.02.10 -
Prevx1 V2 2008.02.11 -
Rising 20.29.22.00 2008.01.30 -
Sophos 4.26.0 2008.02.11 -
Sunbelt 2.2.907.0 2008.02.09 -
Symantec 10 2008.02.11 -
TheHacker 6.2.9.216 2008.02.11 -
VBA32 3.12.6.0 2008.02.10 -
VirusBuster 4.3.26:9 2008.02.11 -
Webwasher-Gateway 6.6.2 2008.02.11 -
Additional information
File size: 388592 bytes
MD5: 8429624a39b08a5ce5a27650de36af97
SHA1: 2d4ea8c50eb25b8f5bd9b5ced5dc22621d489feb
PEiD: -

[athlon64bit]

Are you sure? I would say that it's probably an FP with Kaspersky but I can't recreate their warning. If you're a customer you should send them an email and advise them of the FP.

I'm a malware researcher for a major AV/AS and I've dissected the program and I don't see any malicious components or activities.

Ron Paul.exe doesn't open any ports or create any backdoors. I don't see any keyboard, or other type of system hooks. The program does hook the search results but most toolbars do. The search hook is created by FreeCause (http://freecause.com/) and the program hooks the yahoo search engine.

I see links to We the People Radio Network, Ron Paul Radio, Ron Paul Revolution Radio, Lew Rockwell and Daily Dose. I don't see any malicious traffic.

The installer creates 3 exes and 12 dll's, none of which appear malicious and only standard registry entries appear under:

HKCR fctb18497.
HKCU software\fctb18497
HKCR freecauseurlsearchhook.fctoolbarurlsearchhook
HKLM software\fctb18497
HKLM software\classes\fctb18497.fctb18497

A few CLSID's
HKLM software\classes\clsid\{0d343d34-0c2c-4392-9a2e-7a803d752814}
HKLM software\classes\clsid\{aacaef9a-17e4-4ee8-a9cc-613b785caec6}
HKLM software\classes\clsid\{ee51cd61-6dd8-4470-9e0c-c97d332b3742}
HKLM software\classes\clsid\{eeb79245-1236-424c-a5de-bd1a510a05a6}
HKLM software\classes\typelib\{6790cb65-6299-4e9e-b653-b657bf8fa4b5}
HKLM software\classes\typelib\{7019c732-e9f7-4faa-a617-5ac14769c72f}

And a BHO
software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\explorer \browser helper objects\{ee51cd61-6dd8-4470-9e0c-c97d332b3742}







VirusTotal.com comes back clean from everyone but Clam and their diagnosis appears to be an FP because this definitely isn't a FakeAlert.



File Ron_Paul.exe received on 02.11.2008 18:00:59 (CET)
Current status: finished
Result: 1/32 (3.12%)
Compact Compact
Print results Print results
Antivirus Version Last Update Result
AhnLab-V3 2008.2.12.10 2008.02.11 -
AntiVir 7.6.0.62 2008.02.11 -
Authentium 4.93.8 2008.02.11 -
Avast 4.7.1098.0 2008.02.10 -
AVG 7.5.0.516 2008.02.11 -
BitDefender 7.2 2008.02.11 -
CAT-QuickHeal None 2008.02.11 -
ClamAV 0.92 2008.02.11 Adware.Fakealert-21
DrWeb 4.44.0.09170 2008.02.11 -
eSafe 7.0.15.0 2008.02.11 -
eTrust-Vet 31.3.5527 2008.02.11 -
Ewido 4.0 2008.02.11 -
FileAdvisor 1 2008.02.11 -
Fortinet 3.14.0.0 2008.02.11 -
F-Prot 4.4.2.54 2008.02.11 -
F-Secure 6.70.13260.0 2008.02.11 -
Ikarus T3.1.1.20 2008.02.11 -
Kaspersky 7.0.0.125 2008.02.11 -
McAfee 5226 2008.02.08 -
Microsoft 1.3204 2008.02.11 -
NOD32v2 2865 2008.02.11 -
Norman 5.80.02 2008.02.11 -
Panda 9.0.0.4 2008.02.10 -
Prevx1 V2 2008.02.11 -
Rising 20.29.22.00 2008.01.30 -
Sophos 4.26.0 2008.02.11 -
Sunbelt 2.2.907.0 2008.02.09 -
Symantec 10 2008.02.11 -
TheHacker 6.2.9.216 2008.02.11 -
VBA32 3.12.6.0 2008.02.10 -
VirusBuster 4.3.26:9 2008.02.11 -
Webwasher-Gateway 6.6.2 2008.02.11 -
Additional information
File size: 388592 bytes
MD5: 8429624a39b08a5ce5a27650de36af97
SHA1: 2d4ea8c50eb25b8f5bd9b5ced5dc22621d489feb
PEiD: -

Hi,

Disect the code on their website home page.

I am completely sure that kaspersky says that their website is detected as a phishing website which steals personal data, including according to kaspersky credit card details.
If you have kaspersky antivirus installed with web security features enabled try visiting the website and you will see that it is flagged as a phishing website for stealing credit card details, passwords etc.
When I got that warning I didn't install it.
Other people have reported that it redirected them away from ronpaul2008.com to spam sites. It wouldn't surprise me if it redirected search results to fake ron paul donation sites.
I doubt that any money generated from clicks goes to Ron Paul's candidacy.
See this site. http://www.ronpaulforum.com/showthread.php?t=303801

Ross

[adam1mc]

Hi,

Disect the code on their website home page.

I am completely sure that kaspersky says that their website is detected as a phishing website which steals personal data, including according to kaspersky credit card details.
If you have kaspersky antivirus installed with web security features enabled try visiting the website and you will see that it is flagged as a phishing website for stealing credit card details, passwords etc.
When I got that warning I didn't install it.
Other people have reported that it redirected them away from ronpaul2008.com to spam sites. It wouldn't surprise me if it redirected search results to fake ron paul donation sites.
I doubt that any money generated from clicks goes to Ron Paul's candidacy.
See this site. http://www.ronpaulforum.com/showthread.php?t=303801

Ross

Ok, I read the post. He said he had problems getting to RonPaul2008.com because of a DNS error. This program didn't change any DNS settings and I can still access DailyPaul, RonPaulForums and Ron Paul 2008. So either they have changed the code for the installer or that guy was having other issues.

While I admire you for holding Kaspersky to such a high level, their website filter blocking the site is a far cry from saying that the program is malicious. If the site is blocked by Kaspersky wouldn't it make sense that the program would also be flagged by their system? You did see that all of the Major AV's detected the product as clean, didn't you?

Can you show any bit of evidence to back up your claim that this program is malicious? If not, then your signature just makes you look foolish.


I have absolutely NO connection to the company that distributes the program, but I do this exact type of work for a living and it just looks silly when people claim that things are malicious when in reality they don't even understand how malicious programs function.

[adam1mc]

Here is the link to the DNS error that the guy on the previous forum spoke about.

http://www.freecause.com/yahoo/dns/?url=www.ronpaul2008.com&p=ronpaul2008&sc=-2146697211&type=18497&ourmark=1&dnss=1





He just has no clue how to work a computer.

[adam1mc]

FreeCause was created by several MIT grads for the purpose of enabling non-profit groups and charities to create online communities by utilizing their products.:
http://standupday.blogspot.com/2008/01/freecausecom-support.html

The product is used by many large companies including:
AnySoldier, The Denver Post, Kintera and Facebook
http://www.google.com/search?q=freecause+toolbar&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Aqx&start=10&sa=N

The 'Spam' traffic that you referred was more than likely to an address similar to this " http://s3.feedjit.com/router/?w=trafficList&ign=0&wn=1&nv=1&fl=0&uu=null&rn=0&lg=1&u=http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/index.shtml&r=&t=Ron Paul Toolbar - Funding the Revolution One Search at a Time&sw=1024&sh=768&fjv=2&rand=637283649 "

But FeedJit is: FEEDJIT serves over 70 Million widgets every month. Visit our blog for news, see who's talking about us and check out our global feed to see who's using us.



They have some large customers to be malicious....

[athlon64bit]

While I admire you for holding Kaspersky to such a high level, their website filter blocking the site is a far cry from saying that the program is malicious. If the site is blocked by Kaspersky wouldn't it make sense that the program would also be flagged by their system? You did see that all of the Major AV's detected the product as clean, didn't you?

Can you show any bit of evidence to back up your claim that this program is malicious? If not, then your signature just makes you look foolish.


I have absolutely NO connection to the company that distributes the program, but I do this exact type of work for a living and it just looks silly when people claim that things are malicious when in reality they don't even understand how malicious programs function.

Hi,

To be more precise it is an inbedded link on the toolbar website home page which is flagged up. The webmaster has inbedded on his homepage of the toolbar site a malicious link which alledgedly steals credit cards and other details. Kaspersky may not have come accross the toolbar yet to anylise it yet. If you search the source code of the home page you will find a link which contains "mp3" in it.
Also I have seen a number of people claim that the tool bar slows their computer down. An ordinary harmless toolbar should not make a computer lag, unless it was filtering data through a proxy server (thus you have to have blind faith in the author of the toolbar that he is not logging any data, if data is redirected through a proxy server).
I will leave my signiture up until someone can explain to me why people's computers lag. I know that there can be an innocent explaination for toolbars lagging computers but there can also be sinister reasons. Also the person who owns the toolbar needs to provide proof that all of the funds are going to the ron paul campaign.
The burdon of proof is not on me, it is on the creator of the toolbar.
Do you think that antivirus companies are crawling through reading ron paul forums all day long and are even aware of the "ron paul toolbar". I am going to submit the exe to kaspersky.


Here is the link to the DNS error that the guy on the previous forum spoke about.

http://www.freecause.com/yahoo/dns/?url=www.ronpaul2008.com&p=ronpaul2008&sc=-2146697211&type=18497&ourmark=1&dnss=1





He just has no clue how to work a computer.

Ok fair enough the DNS thing wasn't to do with the toolbar but kaspersky is still flagging the site as a phishing website and the toolbar lags people's computers, at least some people.

[adam1mc]

The webmaster has inbedded on his homepage of the toolbar site a malicious link which alledgedly steals credit cards and other details.

Links aren't malicious. Exploits are malicious. Links take you to another page and by themselves don't do anything harmful. In order to steal information from someone's computer a malicious person must exploit the system and silently install a program which actually does the malicious work. This is usually done by making someone visit a link that contains exploits within the body of the code. This side isn't running any scripts that would do this.




Kaspersky may not have come accross the toolbar yet to anylise it yet. How would they have come across the site and not come across the toolbar? How can you determine that a site is bad if you don't analyze the contents of the page?




If you search the source code of the home page you will find a link which contains "mp3" in it.

So Kaspersky flags sites if they talk about MP3's? Wow, talk about RIAA infiltration!




Also I have seen a number of people claim that the tool bar slows their computer down. An ordinary harmless toolbar should not make a computer lag, unless it was filtering data through a proxy server (thus you have to have blind faith in the author of the toolbar that he is not logging any data). Agreed, toolbars shouldn't slow down the box. But you are talking about what people have claimed. You can't be certain that they didn't have anything else on their box or that they weren't running a ton of different programs on a PIII with 512 of memory.





I will leave my signiture up until someone can explain to me why people's computers lag. That's like asking a mechanic to tell you why cars slow down after 100,000 miles. There are a ton of reasons.




Also the person who owns the toolbar needs to provide proof that all of the funds are going to the ron paul campaign.
The burdon of proof is not on me, it is on the creator of the toolbar. Agreed!





Do you think that antivirus companies are crawling through reading ron paul forums all day long and are even aware of the "ron paul toolbar". I am going to submit the exe to kaspersky. I AM!!!! As I said, I research and reverse engineer software for a major AntiVirus/AntiSpyware company. I've been sitting in this chair for close to 3 years now and I would say I'm quite competent at my job.

[adam1mc]

I'm not trying to argue but 'we' seem so quick to discredit someone's good idea or to call people trolls because of a negative comment. The mentality from the people in this campaign has changed significantly over the past 6 months and I would just like to see people stop trashing others and others ideas just because they may not fully understand.

I think this toolbar is a great idea. The company that created it specializes in creating toolbars for non-profits and directing the revenue towards whatever charity the sponsor decides. While I 100% agree that the sponsor needs to prove that all of the money is going towards the campaign or towards Ron Paul related endeavours , we shouldn't be so quick to shoot down the idea until we have all the facts.

If you have questions, email the guy who set it up. Don't bash his idea behind his back on the very forum that he is looking for assistance.

I'm going to install the toolbar permanent within my Virtual Machine. If there is malicious behavior I will see it.

[athlon64bit]

Links aren't malicious. Exploits are malicious. Links take you to another page and by themselves don't do anything harmful. In order to steal information from someone's computer a malicious person must exploit the system and silently install a program which actually does the malicious work. This is usually done by making someone visit a link that contains exploits within the body of the code. This side isn't running any scripts that would do this.

Why would the author of the tool bar website embed a malicious link in his website flagged by kaspersky as a site which steals credit card details, passwords, pin codes etc?


How would they have come across the site and not come across the toolbar? How can you determine that a site is bad if you don't analyze the contents of the page?

By coming across the malicious website link that the author of the toolbar embedded in his website's home page.


So Kaspersky flags sites if they talk about MP3's? Wow, talk about RIAA infiltration!

It flags the site SPECIFICALLY as a phishing site. Please look up the definition of phishing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing
If you don't trust the wikipedia page then here is another one.
http://www.microsoft.com/protect/yourself/phishing/identify.mspx
Kaspersky wouldn't flag a site as a phishing site unless it was a phishing site.


Agreed, toolbars shouldn't slow down the box. But you are talking about what people have claimed. You can't be certain that they didn't have anything else on their box or that they weren't running a ton of different programs on a PIII with 512 of memory.

Well, I find it suspicious that several people have said that it slows down their computer, both in private message and on this forum. More of a coincidence to me.


I AM!!!! As I said, I research and reverse engineer software for a major AntiVirus/AntiSpyware company. I've been sitting in this chair for close to 3 years now and I would say I'm quite competent at my job.

Yea but equally the people at kaspersky are experts in malicious software and reverse engineer. So basically you are saying kaspersky's warning that it is a phishing site is nothing to worry about. I disagree. Kaspersky are experts as well.


I'm not trying to argue but 'we' seem so quick to discredit someone's good idea or to call people trolls because of a negative comment. The mentality from the people in this campaign has changed significantly over the past 6 months and I would just like to see people stop trashing others and others ideas just because they may not fully understand.

I think this toolbar is a great idea. The company that created it specializes in creating toolbars for non-profits and directing the revenue towards whatever charity the sponsor decides. While I 100% agree that the sponsor needs to prove that all of the money is going towards the campaign or towards Ron Paul related endeavours , we shouldn't be so quick to shoot down the idea until we have all the facts.

If you have questions, email the guy who set it up. Don't bash his idea behind his back on the very forum that he is looking for assistance.

I'm going to install the toolbar permanent within my Virtual Machine. If there is malicious behavior I will see it.

Well I suggest that the author of the website removes the link to the phishing website and explains why he needed to link to a specific file on a phishing website. I find that suspicious. Also maybe he can explain why so many people find it lags their computer. I am not doing it behind his back. I am posting on a public forum lol that he can come in and read.
If he has a link hidden in his source code which is detected as a phishing website, the fault lies with him not me. I am not the one who embedded a link in the source code to a site known for phishing credit card details. He can explain why he needed to embed that file link to ally people's fears.
His toolbar may or may not be safe (I am still suspicious why it lags people's computer's unless it is redirecting data through a proxy server, possibly the phishing link on his website) but until he explains why he is felt the need to link to a suspicious phishing link, I will remain suspicious.

Another reason I am suspicious is there seemed to be 2 or 3 people who came on posting reassuring people that the toolbar site and file was safe but it looked like it was the same person with multiple accounts. I can't prove that but just makes me suspicious.

[athlon64bit]

By the way I used to be a moderator on an internet security forum.:D

[athlon64bit]

Can you show any bit of evidence to back up your claim that this program is malicious? If not, then your signature just makes you look foolish.

Kaspersky antivirus says that it is a phishing website. Also I am saying the site is a malicious phishing website which is the same as what kaspersky says (or a link embedded on the website). Nothing is wrong with my signature.:D

I have Kaspersky on my side LOL!

:)

[Revolution9]

Valid concerns but you have nothing to worry about - the toolbar is digitally signed - you can't get a digital signature with a toolbar that has any sort of adware, virus or spyware on it.

Also, we're using the same toolbar that the Susan G Komen Foundation & Toys For Tots uses.

It's very safe, and it's going to generate a lot of money for the cause =)

Also, you'll get great updates via the toolbar's messenger feature from someone who's been organizing Ron Paul events since day 1 :)

Cool idea. I understand it will not run in Safari? If so and the code is clean then why not as that is a totally compliant browser to standards.

Best
Randy

[adam1mc]

By the way I used to be a moderator on an internet security forum.:D


Well now you're just an idiot. I told you what I do for a living. Either you didn't listen or you don't seem to offer any sort of credibility to my research.

I told you to contact Kaspersky and ask them for a re-evaluation to check to see if it's an FP. I also suggested that you contact the creator and discuss your concerns with him.

And I would also suggest for you to use your moderator powers and search Google for "FreeCause Toolbar" (as in reality it's THEIR toolbar) and see if you can find one single shred of evidence that the toolbar is malicious.


If you can't do those things then you are only bringing negativity to a very cool idea.

Would you like for me to do those things for you?

[adam1mc]

Cool idea. I understand it will not run in Safari? If so and the code is clean then why not as that is a totally compliant browser to standards.

Best
Randy


Mozilla and IE and Safari and Netscape all function totally different and need different plugins to function.

Try installing a Safari plugin into IE and see what happens.

[adam1mc]

Wouldn't you know it. If you search "FreeCause Toolbar, Virus" the first thing that pops up is the Anti-RP thread. Nothing else about there being a virus.



I can't believe I've wasted so much time on this. How much proof do you need? I documented the changes made by the program. I showed you there weren't any keyboard hooks installed. You can't steal the keystrokes if you aren't hooked into the keyboard. I've posted results from 23 AV companies with updated defs (www.virustotal.com) and not a single credible source says the file is malicious.. even your beloved Kaspersky didn't detect the file.

Here are 176,000 pages which show False Positives (FP's) within the Kaspersky DB. They are FAR from perfect.
http://www.google.com/search?q=kaspersky+FP&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


Quit spreading negativity until you have credible evidence to back up your claim... and that doesn't entail a Kaspersky (who uses heuristics by the way) phishing filter.


If you are so certain that the program will phish, then download a copy of VMWare. Install a crap version of WinXP with no Service Packs and no updates. Download Wireshark network monitoring and start capturing the packets. Start visiting bank sites (you don't have to use your own info. Just type gibberish), email sites, paypal, ebay, etc and see if Wireshark ever shows a POST back to an unknown location.

If packets are being POSTed to sites other than where they are supposed to go then you will know you have a phisher. If there is no internet communication then you'd be safe to assume that it's not logging and sending information.

[athlon64bit]

Well now you're just an idiot. I told you what I do for a living. Either you didn't listen or you don't seem to offer any sort of credibility to my research.

I told you to contact Kaspersky and ask them for a re-evaluation to check to see if it's an FP. I also suggested that you contact the creator and discuss your concerns with him.

And I would also suggest for you to use your moderator powers and search Google for "FreeCause Toolbar" (as in reality it's THEIR toolbar) and see if you can find one single shred of evidence that the toolbar is malicious.


If you can't do those things then you are only bringing negativity to a very cool idea.

Would you like for me to do those things for you?

How do I even know that you are who you say you are? You are telling me to trust you over kaspersky antivirus? I have texted you 3 times. It is up to the owner of the ron paul tool bar site to do all that work. It is his website that they are saying contains phishing links.
Oh incidently, the specific page that he has on his site is flagged as a phishing page. Other pages on mp3assets aren't flagged as phishing pages.
Anyway, the way it goes is this, the guy has a link embedded on his home page which my antivirus says is a phishing web link.
We are not talking about FreeCause toolbar.
It is as simple as this. My kaspersky web antivirus says that the home page of the tool bar contains a link to a phishing website. I was/am concerned that people would potentially be loosing sensitive information if kaspersky web antivirus is correct. I warned people, a few people via private message and on a few threads of what my kaspersky antivirus was telling me.
Kaspersky web antivirus is what detects the phishing link, not sure if the regular desk top detects it as I don't think it scans web sites as they load. I have the whole kaspersky suit.
I don't give a shit what you have to say. I warned people with good merit. It is the responsibilty of the owner of the toolbar website to not embed links to pages which are detected as malicious. They are to blame not me. If it is a false alarm it is up to the owner of the toolbar site to correct the mistake or contact kaspersky or whatnot.

I am a webmaster myself of several sites and if I embedded a link which showed up as a virus, guess what? I would be to blame because I put it there.
Do you think that I should have kept quiet and not warned people that my antivirus showed it as a site which steals creditcard details and passwords?
This is the last time I am gonna try and help people out with warning them of things. I came here to support Ron Paul and follow the movement. I don't need this kind of shit.
I did fuck all wrong. I ain't the person putting links on my site which show up as phishing attack links. You call me an idiot. Maybe you should direct that insult at the person who is putting up a phishing link on his website (according to kaspersky antivirus.
Perhaps the toolbar is harmless and it is a false alarm or perhaps not. I won't be installing it though.

Adios:cool:

[athlon64bit]

Wouldn't you know it. If you search "FreeCause Toolbar, Virus" the first thing that pops up is the Anti-RP thread. Nothing else about there being a virus.



I can't believe I've wasted so much time on this. How much proof do you need? I documented the changes made by the program. I showed you there weren't any keyboard hooks installed. You can't steal the keystrokes if you aren't hooked into the keyboard. I've posted results from 23 AV companies with updated defs (www.virustotal.com) and not a single credible source says the file is malicious.. even your beloved Kaspersky didn't detect the file.

Here are 176,000 pages which show False Positives (FP's) within the Kaspersky DB. They are FAR from perfect.
http://www.google.com/search?q=kaspersky+FP&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


Quit spreading negativity until you have credible evidence to back up your claim... and that doesn't entail a Kaspersky (who uses heuristics by the way) phishing filter.


If you are so certain that the program will phish, then download a copy of VMWare. Install a crap version of WinXP with no Service Packs and no updates. Download Wireshark network monitoring and start capturing the packets. Start visiting bank sites (you don't have to use your own info. Just type gibberish), email sites, paypal, ebay, etc and see if Wireshark ever shows a POST back to an unknown location.

If packets are being POSTed to sites other than where they are supposed to go then you will know you have a phisher. If there is no internet communication then you'd be safe to assume that it's not logging and sending information.

Dude listen very very very carefully. I have said this several times, perhaps you will get it this time. Kaspersky detects a malicious link on the HOME PAGE of the WEBSITE of the toolbar site. Not in the toolbar software, that is not to say the toolbar is safe or not because kaspersky probably hasn't even analised it yet. It is the antivirus web scanner which detects malicious code on the website, not the regular desktop scanner. Desktop scanners don't scan for phishing links while surfing the web, it is the web antivirus which does that.
Ok dude have it your way, it is completely safe, everybody download the toolbar. Adam is the expert and he says that it is safe, listen to him, I don't give a shit. Kaspersky web anti virus scanner is wrong about the site being a phishing website and it is a false positive blah blah.

Ross

[adam1mc]

How do I even know that you are who you say you are? You are telling me to trust you over kaspersky antivirus?
Here ya go... (edited) I have several more if you want them.




I have texted you 3 times.
Really? Where?



Oh incidently, the specific page that he has on his site is flagged as a phishing page. Other pages on mp3assets aren't flagged as phishing pages.

Here is your 'flagged' url. Nothing about this is malicious
http://www.mp3asset.com/swf/mp3/minime.swf




We are not talking about FreeCause toolbar.

Actually we are. Remember? Ron Paul Toolbar is the name of this thread.



I don't give a shit what you have to say. I warned people with good merit. It is the responsibilty of the owner of the toolbar website to not embed links to pages which are detected as malicious. They are to blame not me. If it is a false alarm it is up to the owner of the toolbar site to correct the mistake or contact kaspersky or whatnot.

Agreed, but notify the creator - not ruin the entire idea behind his back. That doesn't help anyone.



I am a webmaster myself of several sites and if I embedded a link which showed up as a virus, guess what? I would be to blame because I put it there.
Do you think that I should have kept quiet and not warned people that my antivirus showed it as a site which steals creditcard details and passwords?
I don't even think you understand how a virus / phisher functions. And what you should have done is used Google to research your theory to see if there is any sort of validity to it before you destroy the idea.




I did fuck all wrong.
What? That's not my problem.



You call me an idiot. Maybe you should direct that insult at the person who is putting up a phishing link on his website (according to kaspersky antivirus.
Not trying to insult you (and I do apologize) but your inexperience and negativity is destroying an otherwise really good idea. Talk such as this will only ruin an Idea. I'm here for Ron Paul too, as I would imagine most here are. Everyone is entitled to their ideas.

The blimp was a great idea and went up without a hitch. And then everyone came in with their negativity about the company and flight plan and weather and they destroyed the entire deal. The blimp is now grounded. Ron Paul Racing is barely getting off the ground. We NEED these types of ideas to help us remain unique among the grassroots.

All I'm saying is that if you have reservations about something, check them before citing with certainty your opinion.

[adam1mc]

Here ya go.. CALL HIM
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Download_the_Ron_Paul_Toolbar


you can call me anytime about this toolbar - chris lawton - I run the greer, sc meetup # 281 - THIS IS TOTALLY LEGIT --- 864-325-6400 ...

If his program is malicious, then him posting his number would be a first for any malware author.

[nmlifestyles]

WOW! This was supposed to be a safe, simple, FREE tool to raise money for the grassroots (see http://ronpaultoolbar.com/testimonial.shtml) This month make sure you vote and get your own referral ID and SPREAD THE WORD! We started at ZERO a couple of weeks ago now over 3200+ active users and $1500+ in earnings! Anyone with ANY questions feel free to call me 9-9 EST 864-325-6400.

GO RON PAUL!

Chris Lawton
RP Greer, SC
Meetup Org.

[adam1mc]

WOW! This was supposed to be a safe, simple, FREE tool to raise money for the grassroots (see http://ronpaultoolbar.com/testimonial.shtml) This month make sure you vote and get your own referral ID and SPREAD THE WORD! We started at ZERO a couple of weeks ago now over 3200+ active users and $1500+ in earnings! Anyone with ANY questions feel free to call me 9-9 EST 864-325-6400.

GO RON PAUL!

Chris Lawton
RP Greer, SC
Meetup Org.

To satisfy concerns, can you prove that the money raised is in fact being routed to Ron Paul related projects?

[darbsllim]

adam1mc, thank you very much.

People have been trying to discredit the Ron Paul Toolbar since day 1 on this forum with wild assumptions and hyperbolic accusations.

Nothing I could have said would have satisfied them, so thank you very much for spelling out exactly WHY this is safe. Hopefully this will put to rest once and for all the accusations.

As for proof that we're sending money to the grassroots - if you look at the link Chris posted, you will see 3 checks for the month of January, thats the proof.

http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/Americans%20United%20for%20Liberty_2_1_08.jpg
http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/Liberty%20Political%20Advertising_2_1_08.jpg
http://www.ronpaultoolbar.com/images/RonPaul%20Billboards_2_1_08.jpg


To everyone who's been attacking this project, especially athalon64bit:

We don't need negativity. Do you want to see Ron Paul elected, or do you want to troll forums all day long? Do you want more grassroots projects like the Blimp to fall? Because thats what you are doing.

OPEN YOUR MIND.

Most people attack the toolbar before they even look into it, and I have to defend the project. We'd rather spend our time doing other things than defending the project from these baseless accusations.

[b]There are thousands who actually support the project, but it's the few like you that are ruining the momentum.[b]

This is an amazing grassroots project that has the potential to send multiple 6 figures to the grassroots efforts monthly.

I don't appreciate this, we're putting an extreme amount of effort, getting paid ZILCH to help get Ron Paul elected like millions of other people around the world.

Heck, I'M CANADIAN and I'm putting all of my time and energy into getting Ron Paul elected. So please why don't you think about that before you go around ruining grassroots projects.

This is a brilliant idea, it's an amazing project run by a TOP NOTCH American patriot, and I would ask that you either embrace it, or just leave it alone.

If you're not into this project, then do something else, please don't ruin it.

Thank you again adam1mc - thank you VERY MUCH. You went way beyond the call of duty and I really appreciate it.