Scary Thought - Domestic Terrorism

[Santana28]

I was just watching MSNBC and some guy was on talking about how one of the biggest threats to the USA over the next few years is sure to be "homegrown" domestic terrorists like Tim McVeigh. They talked about this for quite some time. The part that worries me is he made a point to emphasize repeatedly "there are these new internet groups, these meetup groups - where like-minded people can get together and plot online." I swear he must have said "meetup groups" 3 or 4 times... and "fringe groups" and people who "want to attack our constitutional form of government."

They're ALREADY trying to pin the so-called "9/11 truther loonies" on the Ron Paul campaign. They tried to pin him to supporting violent government resistance with the Browns. They don't deny he's pro-2nd amendment. They don't deny he has the meetup groups, or the numbers on the website. They JUST tried to pin the whole "Gulf of Tonkin" Ron Paul predicting a new terror attack thing on him.

Put the pieces together and think about it.

Purely speculative - but they know once things get to the point where they can't deny his popularity they will have to discredit the whole movement, and not just the man. They know the anti-war platform is powerful and will defeat them, unless something "drastic" were to happen. They know the internet is spreading the message of freedom and allowing people to learn their information in ways that aren't provided by MSM.

How could they accomplish all of their goals at once? Think about it.

I probably should have posted this on another part of the forum, but it IS "news and discussion" i guess. I honestly don't spend all day sitting here worrying about conspiracy theories, but that stupid bit on MSNBC got me thinking and i had to get this out.

[cujothekitten]

I was just coming on here to post about this. I was creeped out by the discussion too. It was weird enough that it will probably show up on youtube... I'll keep an eye out for it.

[Santana28]

glad to know i'm not the only one who saw that.

[FSP-Rebel]

Considering I live near Dearborn Mich (biggest arab pop in the country), I'm clearly not worried about foreign terrorists. My eyes are watching for the government and its false flag ops.

[Noodles]

It will be interesting to see if meetup.com responds to this.

[jonahtrainer]

I was just watching MSNBC and some guy was on talking about how one of the biggest threats to the USA over the next few years is sure to be "homegrown" domestic terrorists like Tim McVeigh. They talked about this for quite some time. The part that worries me is he made a point to emphasize repeatedly "there are these new internet groups, these meetup groups - where like-minded people can get together and plot online." I swear he must have said "meetup groups" 3 or 4 times... and "fringe groups" and people who "want to attack our constitutional form of government."

They're ALREADY trying to pin the so-called "9/11 truther loonies" on the Ron Paul campaign. They tried to pin him to supporting violent government resistance with the Browns. They don't deny he's pro-2nd amendment. They don't deny he has the meetup groups, or the numbers on the website. They JUST tried to pin the whole "Gulf of Tonkin" Ron Paul predicting a new terror attack thing on him.

Put the pieces together and think about it.

Purely speculative - but they know once things get to the point where they can't deny his popularity they will have to discredit the whole movement, and not just the man. They know the anti-war platform is powerful and will defeat them, unless something "drastic" were to happen. They know the internet is spreading the message of freedom and allowing people to learn their information in ways that aren't provided by MSM.

How could they accomplish all of their goals at once? Think about it.

I probably should have posted this on another part of the forum, but it IS "news and discussion" i guess. I honestly don't spend all day sitting here worrying about conspiracy theories, but that stupid bit on MSNBC got me thinking and i had to get this out.

This a prime reason why people need to hear about Ron Paul and the freedom message from somebody they trust.

[JoshLowry]

MeetUp.com sure is a great way to organize patriots for Ron Paul.

That's all I can say. :D

I'm sure quite a few Neo-Cons didn't like the abolish the federal reserve sign in front of Houston's 'Dallas Federal Reserve building' on the 4th of July. Seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdo-cnoY7Z4


It will be interesting to see if meetup.com responds to this.

That would be nice.

[freelance]

Do a search on "single-issue" terrorists.

If you search long and hard enough (I don't have time right now), you'll find that many of the state homeland security depts. (whatever those are) reprinted a pamphlet from the federal homeland security dept. that advised local "authorities" to be on the lookout for single-issue terrorists. You know, people like homeschoolers, people who talk about the Constitution, people like that--really DANGEROUS folks.

This is actually old news. They're just desperate to drag patriots into this for their own political gains--like burying RP.

[MsDoodahs]

<waving>

Hi, Josh!

:D

[CurtisLow]

I seen it while I was switching channels. I looked what news cast it was and it was FOX I turned it off.
Propaganda and fear. Terrorists, Terrorists, Terrorists!
Fear = lose of freedoms in America.

I found a new news net station (REAL NEWS) please check it out!

http://www.therealnews.com/web/index.php

[Wyurm]

Think about it. You see that bit of news, then you look around on the internet, you find out about Ron Paul, and you really want to help him out, so you happen upon a blog talking about what you can do to help RP get elected. Of course, somewhere is that list is "join your local meetup and be active in it". Bam! Thus the almost subliminal thought process begins. First, wait maybe these guys are what they were talking about of Fox news, OMG I can't get involved with these guys, even if they are ok, the government will think I'm a terrorist.

[sleeper]

I just joined meet up yesterday and there was no one in my area . Today there are 13 terrorists in my area..:eek: :D :D :D LMFAO....

Are they terrorists or patriots???I guess it depends on who you ask..


Did anyone start a Ron Paul militia yet??

Nevermind..

I just typed in a few zip codes and seen from some of the replies, Yes there is a few radicals in this movement... Well quite a few I should say. I don't think it can be stopped now. We do got a revolution coming on I believe if RP does not get elected..

[WannaBfree]

There have also been suggestions the last few months about anti-war people being "terrorists". I saw a clip awhile back with someone on FOX saying they should be put in camps. It's really scary stuff. Someone even on this board referred to some liberals as "America haters". Here is an article I saw today on the subject:

Confessions Of The Neo-Cons
Pray for Fox news, want war dissenters in gas chambers
http://infowars.net/articles/july2007/170707Neo-Cons.htm

[Santana28]

i'm just worried about an actual incidence of domestic terrorism being attributed to Ron Paul or his "fringe" supporters... i.e. someone bombing a Federal Reserve bank or mailing Anthrax to the IRS offices.

If something like that WERE to happen, and the supposed mastermind left some sort of proclamation that he did it for Ron Paul's vision of America, think of the repercussions??

Of course we all know about Ron's stance on violence. But the rest of the country...

[ecliptic]

July 16, 2007

Or Face the End of Constitutional Democracy

Impeach Now (http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts07162007.html)

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the US could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran.

Bush has put in place all the necessary measures for dictatorship in the form of "executive orders" that are triggered whenever Bush declares a national emergency. Recent statements by Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff, former Republican senator Rick Santorum and others suggest that Americans might expect a series of staged, or false flag, "terrorist" events in the near future.

Many attentive people believe that the reason the Bush administration will not bow to expert advice and public opinion and begin withdrawing US troops from Iraq is that the administration intends to rescue its unpopular position with false flag operations that can be used to expand the war to Iran.

Too much is going wrong for the Bush administration: the failure of its Middle East wars, Republican senators jumping ship, Turkish troops massed on northern Iraq's border poised for an invasion to deal with Kurds, and a majority of Americans favoring the impeachment of Cheney and a near-majority favoring Bush's impeachment. The Bush administration desperately needs dramatic events to scare the American people and the Congress back in line with the militarist-police state that Bush and Cheney have fostered.

William Norman Grigg recently wrote that the GOP is "praying for a terrorist strike" to save the party from electoral wipeout in 2008.
Chertoff, Cheney, the neocon nazis, and Mossad would have no qualms about saving the bacon for the Republicans, who have enabled Bush to start two unjustified wars, with Iran waiting in the wings to be attacked in a third war.

The Bush administration has tried unsuccessfully to resurrect the terrorist fear factor by infiltrating some blowhard groups and encouraging them to talk about staging "terrorist" events. The talk, encouraged by federal agents, resulted in "terrorist" arrests hyped by the media, but even the captive media was unable to scare people with such transparent sting operations.

If the Bush administration wants to continue its wars in the Middle East and to entrench the "unitary executive" at home, it will have to conduct some false flag operations that will both frighten and anger the American people and make them accept Bush's declaration of "national emergency" and the return of the draft. Alternatively, the administration could simply allow any real terrorist plot to proceed without hindrance.

A series of staged or permitted attacks would be spun by the captive media as a vindication of the neoconsevatives' Islamophobic policy, the intention of which is to destroy all Middle Eastern governments that are not American puppet states. Success would give the US control over oil, but the main purpose is to eliminate any resistance to Israel's complete absorption of Palestine into Greater Israel.

Think about it. If another 9/11-type "security failure" were not in the works, why would Homeland Security czar Chertoff go to the trouble of convincing the Chicago Tribune that Americans have become complacent about terrorist threats and that he has "a gut feeling" that America will soon be hit hard?

Why would Republican warmonger Rick Santorum say on the Hugh Hewitt radio show that "between now and November, a lot of things are going to happen, and I believe that by this time next year, the American public's (sic) going to have a very different view of this war."

Throughout its existence the US government has staged incidents that the government then used in behalf of purposes that it could not otherwise have pursued. According to a number of writers, false flag operations have been routinely used by the Israeli state. During the Czarist era in Russia, the secret police would set off bombs in order to arrest those the secret police regarded as troublesome. Hitler was a dramatic orchestrator of false flag operations. False flag operations are a commonplace tool of governments.

Ask yourself: Would a government that has lied us into two wars and is working to lie us into an attack on Iran shrink from staging "terrorist" attacks in order to remove opposition to its agenda?

Only a diehard minority believes in the honesty and integrity of the Bush-Cheney administration and in the truthfulness of the corporate media.

Hitler, who never achieved majority support in a German election, used the Reichstag fire to fan hysteria and push through the Enabling Act, which made him dictator. Determined tyrants never require majority support in order to overthrow constitutional orders.

The American constitutional system is near to being overthrown. Are coming "terrorist" events of which Chertoff warns and Santorum promises the means for overthrowing our constitutional democracy?

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.

( Alexander Cockburn is an blithering idiot, but I nevertheless link his website for at least this one redeeming article )

[torchbearer]

Domestic Terrorism... is that what the white house is doing when they use fear and terror to take away our freedoms?

[specsaregood]

Perhaps Ron Paul is already a step ahead of us.

He has repeatedly preached "peaceful resistance", citing the efforts of MLK and Gandhi. Perhaps we need to take the hint, and preach it ourselves and mention the phrase "peaceful resistance" now and then.