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noztnac
01-04-2008, 06:24 AM
All Americans see is a sanitized ,TV friendly, flag waving, I love democracy and freedom infomercial version of the war in Iraq.

We need to remind people what war really is. We need to show bodies, flag draped coffins, burned children, amputees, etc.

Images can be very powerful. Why is the campaign not using powerful images? We get inane bullshit like "He's catching on I'm tellin' ya."

It's time to present the pro war crowd with the reality of what they are supporting.


It's very simple- Huckabee, Giuliani, Romney, McCain, Hunter, and Thompson support this: Then show graphic images of war.

Ron Paul supports this: Then show soldiers being reunited with their wives and children.

If someone doesn't make this sort of ad we will lose. It's really that simple.

noztnac
01-04-2008, 06:26 AM
Huckabee, McCain, Giuliani, Romney, and Thompson support this:

NOTE- picture is graffic
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/march2006/100306iraq.jpg
NOTE- picture is graffic

noztnac
01-04-2008, 06:27 AM
and this:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/photo-flag-draped-coffins.jpg

noztnac
01-04-2008, 06:28 AM
and this.... Sorry if all of this is offensive...It's offensive to me too which is why it must stop!


NOTE- picture is graffic
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/images/iraq-dead-bodies.jpg
NOTE- picture is graffic

noztnac
01-04-2008, 06:30 AM
Giuliani, Huckabee, McCain, Romney, Thompson want more of this:

NOTE- picture is graffic
http://boles.com/called/07/war3.jpg
NOTE- picture is graffic

noztnac
01-04-2008, 06:31 AM
Ron Paul supports this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kerMm0HG1mk

noztnac
01-04-2008, 06:39 AM
My views on this sort of ad campaign may seem odd but I think the American people have simply lost touch with reality. They have bought into this insane lie that war is good and to support war is a patriotic thing to do. They seem oblivious to the reality that war is ugly, terrible, and evil.

We need to yank those damn flags they're waving out of their hands and beat some sense into them.

If you think I'm wrong please leave a message here explaining why. If you think that I'm on the right track bump this repeatedly until someone at campaign HQ gets the message.

We've played too nice for too long. There's too much at stake to go down without a fight.

noztnac
01-04-2008, 06:46 AM
The Budweiser ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTxT7feUlPg

noztnac
01-04-2008, 06:51 AM
Better than anything the campaign has produced:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn39iL_ooRI

GodOfThunder
01-04-2008, 07:08 AM
I think this will have an adverse affect.
People just don't want to see that kind of imagery. It doesn't matter what the message is behind it, people don't want to see that stuff.
People like living in their fantasy worlds and it's up to us to show them that it isn't all peaches and roses. But if we show them too much, they are more liable to go hide in that fantasy world and never come out.

GodOfThunder
01-04-2008, 07:10 AM
Better than anything the campaign has produced:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn39iL_ooRI

On the other hand, these kind of images are positive.
A video like this, showing soldiers with their families and a simple, "bring them home, vote for Ron Paul" would be wonderful.

noztnac
01-04-2008, 07:13 AM
I think this will have an adverse affect.
People just don't want to see that kind of imagery. It doesn't matter what the message is behind it, people don't want to see that stuff.
People like living in their fantasy worlds and it's up to us to show them that it isn't all peaches and roses. But if we show them too much, they are more liable to go hide in that fantasy world and never come out.

They aren't supposed to like it.

An adverse affect on what? It should have an adverse affect on the candidates supporting war.

That fantasy world needs to be shattered. And if we aren't willing to do it we are essentially complicit in letting the killing continue.

noztnac
01-04-2008, 07:15 AM
The point is to contrast the images and the candidates.

Make it real simple for Americans. These candidates support war, death, and violence.

Ron Paul supports bringing the troops home, stopping the war, putting an end to the death and violence.

noztnac
01-04-2008, 07:20 AM
The images of war linked to the other candidates don't necessarily need to be connected with Ron Paul directly. Imagine independent ads created to publicize the war and those who support it.

So Ron Paul can make nice sweet ads with families being reunited with families and independent individuals can make ads linking the pro war candidates with harsh grisly images of the Iraq war.

RonPaulalways
01-04-2008, 07:47 AM
I agree with making the war an issue. It shouldn't be "war" per se that is criticized, because war is sometimes necessary, but foolish wars that don't serve any national security or economic interests. The lack of judgement of the pro-war candidates should be brought to light.

disciple
01-04-2008, 07:48 AM
The images of war linked to the other candidates don't necessarily need to be connected with Ron Paul directly. Imagine independent ads created to publicize the war and those who support it.

So Ron Paul can make nice sweet ads with families being reunited with families and independent individuals can make ads linking the pro war candidates with harsh grisly images of the Iraq war.

Right on.

noztnac
01-04-2008, 07:52 AM
I agree with making the war an issue. It shouldn't be "war" per se that is criticized, because war is sometimes necessary, but foolish wars that don't serve any national security or economic interests. The lack of judgement of the pro-war candidates should be brought to light.

You are 100% correct. But I'm talking about breaking people's general illusion that war doesn't come at a cost. Even a justified war is a horrible thing, albeit necessary.

In my opinion we need to be less nuanced and more blunt with our advertising. There will be time to explain when people begin asking questions. The first step is to break them out of their conformist non-critical mindset.

Too many people have just bought hook, line, and sinker into this notion that the war in Iraq was both justified and good. Beyond that they don't have any idea of the costs involved. We need to put those costs before them in a very concrete way.

wowabunga
01-05-2008, 09:15 AM
How many times have you heard the phrase "follow the money". The issue is the war as much as it's about how much money it is costing us in higher prices of everything. I want to see ads hitting the fact that gas now cost over $3 a gallon.

And about our current ads from national HQ they are good ads but they are in no means great ads. I am here this morning (when I should be out selling stuff and paying my bills) and just need to get it off my chest that I will not settle for ordinary mediocre ads, paid for with hard earned inflation ravished monies I've contributed to national.

No cheering till I see greatness.

Ronpauladin
01-05-2008, 10:52 AM
All Americans see is a sanitized ,TV friendly, flag waving, I love democracy and freedom infomercial version of the war in Iraq.

We need to remind people what war really is. We need to show bodies, flag draped coffins, burned children, amputees, etc.

Images can be very powerful. Why is the campaign not using powerful images? We get inane bullshit like "He's catching on I'm tellin' ya."

It's time to present the pro war crowd with the reality of what they are supporting.


It's very simple- Huckabee, Giuliani, Romney, McCain, Hunter, and Thompson support this: Then show graphic images of war.

Ron Paul supports this: Then show soldiers being reunited with their wives and children.

If someone doesn't make this sort of ad we will lose. It's really that simple.

This will backfire. The people KNOW that war is brutal and that our soldiers are dieing. But those people who choose to support the effort in Iraq are supporting it because they believe morally that they have to.

The real problem with removing our troops from Iraq is that the current president obviously wants them there and that congress continues to fund this effort. No funding and troops come home.

noztnac
01-05-2008, 11:25 AM
This will backfire. The people KNOW that war is brutal and that our soldiers are dieing. But those people who choose to support the effort in Iraq are supporting it because they believe morally that they have to.

The real problem with removing our troops from Iraq is that the current president obviously wants them there and that congress continues to fund this effort. No funding and troops come home.

I don't think people realize that war is brutal. I think they choose to believe everything is going great.

If you put enough images of death and destruction out there people will eventually lose their stomach for the war. A very few photos turned the tide of support against the war in Vietnam. It can happen again.

As for your statement about "It will backfire."

How?

If done as I indicated, private groups pushing against the war, while Ron Paul pushes images of soldiers being reunited with families... How will it backfire?

Please explain exactly how you see that working against us.:confused:

SeanEdwards
01-05-2008, 11:37 AM
Setting up a private organization like swiftboat vets and using that as the vehicle to associate graphic images of war with warmonger candidates is not a terrible idea.

Just as long as it's not connected to the Ron Paul campaign in any way and is purely used to attack the neocons.

Ronpauladin
01-05-2008, 11:54 AM
I don't think people realize that war is brutal. I think they choose to believe everything is going great.

If you put enough images of death and destruction out there people will eventually lose their stomach for the war. A very few photos turned the tide of support against the war in Vietnam. It can happen again.

As for your statement about "It will backfire."

How?

If done as I indicated, private groups pushing against the war, while Ron Paul pushes images of soldiers being reunited with families... How will it backfire?

Please explain exactly how you see that working against us.:confused:

It is deceptive when a group of people that support a candidate do something separate from the candidate so that they can bring distance and allow their candidate to maintain a clean image. However, their efforts are intended to support the candidates position, which is where the deception comes in.

The world knows that war is brutal. This isn't the 60's. Our nation is desensitized to the point we expect the violence, but no one wants it in their face. It's also very disrespectful to show images of such violence. Respect the dead. Speak of the dead. Ask yourself, what would Ron Paul do? Would he be elusive and create some secret organization to do his bidding? No. No he wouldn't.

Syren123
01-06-2008, 12:12 AM
Ron Paul supports this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kerMm0HG1mk

OMG that one always makes me cry.
That and the Budweiser Clydesdales and the 9/11 tribute.

HOLLYWOOD
01-06-2008, 12:47 PM
This Campaign needs a serious Shocker and this is just one example at SERIOUSLY GRABBING THE PEOPLES ATTENTION.

Tie in the spending, the corruption, lobbyists, PACS, Corporations, INFLATION, etc etc...

Have Micheal Moore or Tony Scott produce some quality commercials, not the current OLD, LETHARGIC, YAWNERS

noztnac
01-06-2008, 06:49 PM
We need some serious shock and awe!

We've been playing far too nice while letting media outlets like Fox News completely mischaracterize the war.

Revolution is not about being nice and avoiding taking bold decisive steps.

Victory can be ours. But if we want it we have to be willing to fight for it.

noztnac
01-06-2008, 06:50 PM
This Campaign needs a serious Shocker and this is just one example at SERIOUSLY GRABBING THE PEOPLES ATTENTION.

Tie in the spending, the corruption, lobbyists, PACS, Corporations, INFLATION, etc etc...

Have Micheal Moore or Tony Scott produce some quality commercials, not the current OLD, LETHARGIC, YAWNERS


That's a great idea.

free.alive
01-08-2008, 11:48 PM
The grassroots should quietly fund both a swift-boat movement against Huck, Obama and McCain (The neocons have Hillary covered) and also fund a movement to get ads out there showing the gruesomeness of the war, highlighting the lies the public believes in.

The campaign can't do this because campaigns have to be bright and positive and make people feel hopeful about the future.

Let's get out our checkbooks

Paul4Prez
01-09-2008, 12:24 AM
How about this -- ditch the narrator and go to 60-second spots with Ron Paul explaining his positions, at the campaign rallies with hundreds of enthusiastic supporters, instead of sitting there on screen by himself.

Come out and say why he opposed the war in Iraq, and why any right-thinking, God-fearing, decent Republican, American, or human being should have as well. Something like this:

Iraq didn't attack us on 9/11. None of the 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq. Iraq has never attacked us. We invaded and occupied Iraq without provocation, without the Constitutionally required declaration, for shifting and groundless reasons. Now over 3,000 of our bravest men and women are dead, and another 30,000 have been injured, some of whom will carry those scars for the rest of their lives.

When I'm elected President, America will never again launch a preemptive war, and your sons and daughters will never have to die in an unnecessary war. I'm Ron Paul, and I approve this message, because I want to live in a decent country again.

noztnac
01-09-2008, 12:57 AM
He needs some edgier grittier ads. America needs to be slapped out of their stupor. When lemmings are walking off the cliff you have to scream at them. You can't just tap them on the shoulder.

We should be recruiting young talent from University students. To win the "change" vote we need Quentin Tarantino style ads not slick feel good bullshit.

noztnac
01-09-2008, 01:03 AM
We should really shell out some cash to a good director to produce a bold ad campaign.
Ask them to do it for free first and then offer cash if necessary. Give them a challenge they can't resist.

Tarantino
Eastwood
Rodriguez
David O Russell
Robert Duvall
Francis Ford Coppala
David Cronenberg
David Lynch
Guy Ritchie

noztnac
01-09-2008, 01:08 AM
The worst these directors can say is "No".

They may see it as an opportunity to create some buzz for themselves.

Here are a few more:

Sean Penn
Michael Moore
Sylvester Stallone

George Carlin - to write a script
Howard Stern - to write a script
Dennis Leary - to write a script


Let's not go down without a fight. It's time to swing for the fences!

Isupportliberty
01-09-2008, 01:14 AM
this is a good way to wake people up.

pinkmandy
01-09-2008, 01:16 AM
I agree. I don't care if it freaks people out- at the very least maybe the sheep won't be so gung-ho to run out and vote for a war mongerer. I'd rather have them not vote at all than vote for them.

mokkan88
01-09-2008, 01:24 AM
I think this will have an adverse affect.
People just don't want to see that kind of imagery. It doesn't matter what the message is behind it, people don't want to see that stuff.
People like living in their fantasy worlds and it's up to us to show them that it isn't all peaches and roses. But if we show them too much, they are more liable to go hide in that fantasy world and never come out.

That is the problem. And that is why we need something like this. We need to jolt them from their fantasy world the hard way - if we just play along like the other politicians, they'll have no reason to vote for anyone but those politicians.

Paul needs to show people what they are supporting when they vote pro-war.

mokkan88
01-09-2008, 01:26 AM
By the way, George Carlin would be a great director. This is exactly the kind've stuff he's been talking about for decades. He's an intelligent comedian - funny as anyone, but he always has a message rooted in seriousness.

HOLLYWOOD
01-09-2008, 01:31 AM
I would like to order up one complete Campaign Staff that has outstanding Marketing and PR Skills. Who's personnel can SPIN an Apple into an Orange, with an Advertising Firm, the fortune 500 would chase through Harlem to be their PR. A production crew that builds radio and video Ads that stop the clocks and make people stop, watch, and listen. Staffers like Air Traffic Controllers, on top of every situation and guiding the routes of critical Operations. Taking input from everyone... CO-OP's, Grants for results... scholarships for production... etc.

No More Amateurs, please!

Anything, besides the current HIGH SCHOOL attempts of futility by taking the Apple pie out of the trash can and dusty flag out of the garage and waving both, expecting the whole neighborhood to come a running.

INNOVATE... CREATE... SHOCK... COMMUNICATE... SPIN...

mokkan88
01-09-2008, 01:41 AM
Very graphic site: http://www.awitness.org/journal/real_iraq_war.html

You've been warned. It's heart-breaking. Which is just what we need.

Recovering Socialist
01-09-2008, 02:08 AM
Fucking Awesome!!!!!

Minuteman2008
01-09-2008, 02:17 AM
I agree on continiuing to pursue the anti-war vote by shocking people.

But that is not all. Ron needs to start going after the Democrats big time. He is running for the Republican primary, so: the enemy of the enemy is my friend. Republicans eat that stuff up. Let Paul go after the Dims on spending and open borders, their failure to end the war in Iraq after taking control of Congress, and the fact that they've basically given Bush a blank check.

Obama is basically the media darling, but that means there will soon be a backlash against him. Don't be afraid to contrast RP with Obama on the major issues. With those two, it's socialsim and racial politics (actively pandering to racial groups) vs. small government and liberty (individualism rather than racial politics).

Bottom line: keep in mind Paul has to get Republicans on board, so don't focus 100% on the war, but don't rule out anything. Desperate circumstances call for desperate measures.

noztnac
01-09-2008, 02:34 AM
It would be cool if Penn and Teller did a "War is bullshit" for their Bullshit show. Anyone know how to get in touch with them?

The real story could be "The media's selling of War as some flag waving patriotic fantasy land is Bullshit."

We are broke and yet we are halfway around the world killing people so that the military industrial complex can make money. Blood for oil. Blood for profit. Blood for empire. It's all fucking bullshit!

noztnac
01-09-2008, 02:40 AM
Very graphic site: http://www.awitness.org/journal/real_iraq_war.html

You've been warned. It's heart-breaking. Which is just what we need.


Maybe we need to just start sending these images to war supporters. Say, "Oh you like war. You'll probably like this then."

Then show them what they support.

We can start with Hannity, O Reilly, Limbaugh, etc. Send images of death to their e-mail.

Don't warn them. Just send it. Send letters with photos. Send images to all of Fox News' advertisers.

If they want war lets give it to them.

SHOCK AND AWE!

They had their chance at liberty. Remember when we sent tea bags?

Well, they responded by telling us loud and clear that they prefer war profits to liberty.

If they want war lets give it to them.

Let the protests begin.

noztnac
01-09-2008, 05:52 AM
A soldier speaks out:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTNVSPto3Go

We need more of this!

Let's make a real infomercial!

noztnac
01-09-2008, 06:01 AM
Soldiers speak out.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2xSYp-uOTTg

Download, burn to a DVD, give to every person who has a McCain, Huckabee, Giuliani, Romney, Thompson sign in their yard.

noztnac
01-09-2008, 06:03 AM
Children of God!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MHU2tK1BWsM&feature=related

noztnac
01-09-2008, 06:05 AM
McCain wants 100 more years of this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9_o9knOh0pQ&feature=related

noztnac
01-09-2008, 06:10 AM
Abu Ghraib-
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rz7UNxnOI3M


http://youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=Ru0bxSqWMdo

Change
01-09-2008, 07:18 AM
Th bud commercial is great. the message should be that not blood and guts, the America people will reject that approach, and they are sick of WAR. Coming home reunions with RP's bio of being in the Military as a doctor saving lives is the way to go.

with the message: Welcome Home, move pass the Come Home, End the War Stuff and just say Welcome Home.

noztnac
01-09-2008, 07:26 AM
Th bud commercial is great. the message should be that not blood and guts, the America people will reject that approach, and they are sick of WAR. Coming home reunions with RP's bio of being in the Military as a doctor saving lives is the way to go.

with the message: Welcome Home, move pass the Come Home, End the War Stuff and just say Welcome Home.

The blood and guts can be done swiftboat style and not directly affiliated with the Ron Paul campaign. Maybe just, Americans Against the War or something along those lines.

If Americans "reject" that approach but don't know who's behind it it doesn't really matter. The point is not for them to like it. The point is to rub their noses in war like a bad dog who has shit on the rug. Americans are not outraged enough. They may say they hate the war but they are fully prepared to elect people who will keep troops there for the next 100 years. We've gotten to the point where I don't care if they like what I have to say. People are getting killed and people are acting as though everything's peachy. Well it's not. We need to step up the pressure.

DAFTEK
01-09-2008, 09:30 AM
We need some serious shock and awe!

We've been playing far too nice while letting media outlets like Fox News completely mischaracterize the war.

Revolution is not about being nice and avoiding taking bold decisive steps.

Victory can be ours. But if we want it we have to be willing to fight for it.

I am all for it and agree 100% but you will get some like the posts above who are to naive or scared or both to fight for this country like our soldiers are! They will tell you ohh Americans know what war is but, but, but....... BULLSHIT! war is war, i say show Americans the body bags and put a huge ? at the end of it! Oil? Terrorists? give me a fucking brake I'm sick of how many people in this country are so stupid, they have huge words and pitches, and will act like they are Spartans but when they get a small cut they CRY BUBU!!!!!!! I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN AMERICAN THAT HAS VOTED FOR BUSH 2X BRAINWASHED BY THE MEDIA, CNN, FOX NEWS, ABC, CBS, MSNBC ALL OF THEM!

My heart goes out the the families of the troops from all over the world and the Iraqi people..... Sorry for the vent :mad:

wohoo
01-09-2008, 09:34 AM
A graphic ad could and probably will be turned around with one sentence by the Ghoul: "Do you want this happening in the US?" And everyone knows the MSM will play his quotes day and night, especially FOX.

I'm 100% behind having military men and women who have served Iraq step up and talk on the good doctors behalf though saying things like "Dying in Iraq is not honorable. The honorable thing would be to bring the troops home, out of a war started by lies." etc

RickNHouston
01-09-2008, 09:36 AM
All Americans see is a sanitized ,TV friendly, flag waving, I love democracy and freedom infomercial version of the war in Iraq.

We need to remind people what war really is. We need to show bodies, flag draped coffins, burned children, amputees, etc.

Images can be very powerful. Why is the campaign not using powerful images? We get inane bullshit like "He's catching on I'm tellin' ya."

It's time to present the pro war crowd with the reality of what they are supporting.


It's very simple- Huckabee, Giuliani, Romney, McCain, Hunter, and Thompson support this: Then show graphic images of war.

Ron Paul supports this: Then show soldiers being reunited with their wives and children.

If someone doesn't make this sort of ad we will lose. It's really that simple.


Im with you, dude!

In today's Army a .50 cal round doesn't just kill you ... or a woman or a child ... it actually dismembers you ... as in big chunks of barely recognizable human flesh! It ain't a purty site and will definately wake up some of these idiots who think you just "fall down" when you catch a bullet.

God! Heaven save us from having John (the American Coward) McCain, who wants nothing more than revenge, as our President. We will NEVER be a Peaceful Nation again!

RickNHouston
01-09-2008, 09:39 AM
A graphic ad could and probably will be turned around with one sentence by the Ghoul: "Do you want this happening in the US?" And everyone knows the MSM will play his quotes day and night, especially FOX.

I'm 100% behind having military men and women who have served Iraq step up and talk on the good doctors behalf though saying things like "Dying in Iraq is not honorable. The honorable thing would be to bring the troops home, out of a war started by lies." etc

The are the guys who should be speaking for Rons candidacy... and I don't mean dressed up in suits with ties ... i mean they should appear they way look in real war ... dont clean em up, dont sanitize them... stop lying to the American people ... show them the fucking truth!

raystone
01-09-2008, 09:41 AM
show the war pictures to America !

RickNHouston
01-09-2008, 09:42 AM
My views on this sort of ad campaign may seem odd but I think the American people have simply lost touch with reality. They have bought into this insane lie that war is good and to support war is a patriotic thing to do. They seem oblivious to the reality that war is ugly, terrible, and evil.

We need to yank those damn flags they're waving out of their hands and beat some sense into them.

If you think I'm wrong please leave a message here explaining why. If you think that I'm on the right track bump this repeatedly until someone at campaign HQ gets the message.

We've played too nice for too long. There's too much at stake to go down without a fight.

Bump! Bump! Bump!

Im with you, dude!

In today's Army a .50 cal round doesn't just kill you ... or a woman or a child ... it actually dismembers you ... as in big chunks of barely recognizable human flesh! It ain't a purty site and will definately wake up some of these idiots who think you just "fall down" when you catch a bullet.

God! Heaven save us from having John (the American Coward) McCain, who wants nothing more than revenge, as our President. We will NEVER be a Peaceful Nation again!

smtwngrl
01-09-2008, 02:41 PM
This Campaign needs a serious Shocker and this is just one example at SERIOUSLY GRABBING THE PEOPLES ATTENTION.

Tie in the spending, the corruption, lobbyists, PACS, Corporations, INFLATION, etc etc...

Have Micheal Moore or Tony Scott produce some quality commercials, not the current OLD, LETHARGIC, YAWNERS

ELiberty's ad is perfect. It is not overly graphic or shocking, but it is powerful. I think it is just what we need. It needs to be played over and over in every state.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOc7O9_Ux_8

noztnac
01-10-2008, 12:40 AM
A graphic ad could and probably will be turned around with one sentence by the Ghoul: "Do you want this happening in the US?" And everyone knows the MSM will play his quotes day and night, especially FOX.

I'm 100% behind having military men and women who have served Iraq step up and talk on the good doctors behalf though saying things like "Dying in Iraq is not honorable. The honorable thing would be to bring the troops home, out of a war started by lies." etc

If they try to block it all the better. We can create a controversy and post the ad for free on youtube. It will go viral as the video the FCC banned.

noztnac
01-10-2008, 12:43 AM
ELiberty's ad is perfect. It is not overly graphic or shocking, but it is powerful. I think it is just what we need. It needs to be played over and over in every state.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOc7O9_Ux_8

Not bad but rather bland in my opinion. I didn't find it powerful at all. Very safe. Very unprovocative. Ultimately, it will be lost in the shuffle of other ads.

I do support that ELiberty has attempted to make a great ad and don't mean to undermine his efforts. But I think we need to take it up a notch or two.

noztnac
01-10-2008, 12:48 AM
I agree on continiuing to pursue the anti-war vote by shocking people.

But that is not all. Ron needs to start going after the Democrats big time. He is running for the Republican primary, so: the enemy of the enemy is my friend. Republicans eat that stuff up. Let Paul go after the Dims on spending and open borders, their failure to end the war in Iraq after taking control of Congress, and the fact that they've basically given Bush a blank check.

Obama is basically the media darling, but that means there will soon be a backlash against him. Don't be afraid to contrast RP with Obama on the major issues. With those two, it's socialsim and racial politics (actively pandering to racial groups) vs. small government and liberty (individualism rather than racial politics).

Bottom line: keep in mind Paul has to get Republicans on board, so don't focus 100% on the war, but don't rule out anything. Desperate circumstances call for desperate measures.

Right on! Go after Obama and Hillary...but not in a personal way...on policy.

Indy Vidual
01-11-2008, 12:47 AM
I don't think people realize that war is brutal. I think they choose to believe everything is going great.

If you put enough images of death and destruction out there people will eventually lose their stomach for the war. A very few photos turned the tide of support against the war in Vietnam. It can happen again.

As for your statement about "It will backfire."

How?

If done as I indicated, private groups pushing against the war, while Ron Paul pushes images of soldiers being reunited with families... How will it backfire?

Please explain exactly how you see that working against us.:confused:

You are correct.
War is HELL.

noztnac
01-12-2008, 08:48 AM
Mike Gravel gets it.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=M9fBaLSYeoM

BreakYourChains
01-15-2008, 11:49 PM
The Budweiser ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTxT7feUlPg

Yes, this ad is powerful! This is the kind of emotion that Ron Paul ads should stir up.

BreakYourChains
01-15-2008, 11:54 PM
He needs some edgier grittier ads. America needs to be slapped out of their stupor. When lemmings are walking off the cliff you have to scream at them. You can't just tap them on the shoulder.

We should be recruiting young talent from University students. To win the "change" vote we need Quentin Tarantino style ads not slick feel good bullshit.

Still, this one is great! I think until we get something official, it doesn't hurt to run with this one, the winner of the debate ad competition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPjTAH8Y_L8

Sorry, after reading through all of the posts, and watching the videos about Iraq, I see what you mean. Nothing produced so far that I have seen portrays the message that needs to be sent to the people of this country and to the world. I am sorry for what we have done, and I am sorry for the families of all who have suffered for this greed and maniacal behavior. Are these people who run this world really humans? Are we missing something here?

VoteForRonPaul
01-16-2008, 12:57 AM
I think until we get something official, it doesn't hurt to run with this one, the winner of the debate ad competition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPjTAH8Y_L8
I think RP scored a big victory against McCain in the Myrtle beach debate, when he talked about the intentions of McCain to stay there for hundred years which commits many generations to war.
From the point of my view this is the smartest scene to add to any coming Ad.

Regarding the above Ad the winner of the debate ad competition, I feel that this Ad is very flat, why? First the voice of Ron Paul was pretty flat and not strong enough as we have seen before in other speeches (that might be a Microphone problem though).
Second, the background Music not as good and expressional as it should be.

I also do not know why we do not see this Ad on TV, it is hitting over 3 millions views on Google
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7491749216419069968&q=ron+paul+ad&total=1316&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Pauls' Revere
01-16-2008, 02:39 AM
That you tube with the kid hugging his dad hit me right in the heart. How can anyone look at that little boy and wonder why he doesn't deserve to have his dad back home for good. You can literally see the ache of lonliness on his face when he see him. Thanks, I needed a good cry...

sratiug
01-17-2008, 09:49 AM
Shock and Awwwwww. I'm with you all the way. Pictures are worth a thousand words. People are not outraged enough about all the children we have killed, disabled and orphaned in this war. Just like they don't think about the millions of children whose non-violent parents are locked up for using the wrong drug.

TheInvestigatorOfFreedom
01-17-2008, 11:53 AM
we've killed saddam, there were no weapons of mass destruction, a form of black ops is being used in iraq, islamic people killing groups of the other group revealing civil war against their own country, we are fueling the chaos in Iraq and it needs tostop by getting our troops home.

noztnac
01-23-2008, 06:40 AM
That you tube with the kid hugging his dad hit me right in the heart. How can anyone look at that little boy and wonder why he doesn't deserve to have his dad back home for good. You can literally see the ache of lonliness on his face when he see him. Thanks, I needed a good cry...

Why aren't we using that????!!!

Ron Paul is for reuniting soldiers with their families. The other guys are for sending them to die for a lost cause.

We need to be simple, blunt, and aggressive. It's not too late!

Everyone please send the campaign a wakeup call. We will lose if we maintain our current course. That pisses me off because it would be so easy to radically change things with a few bold ads.

dkim68
01-23-2008, 07:03 AM
The tragic imagery of war is one thing. But what people need to see even more is what we're REALLY doing over there: War profiteering. Our tax dollars are being invested in and supporting moneymaking operations the American people will never see a cent of a return on. And it's blood money. Soldiers are dying to protect corporate greed, not promote democracy. Expose to Americans who's benefitting and who's losing and that will change the perceptions of anyone supporting this war. It will also make it all the more clear why Ron Paul is the best candidate to become our next President. No one likes to be scammed.

Joseph Story
01-23-2008, 07:29 AM
The tragic imagery of war is one thing. But what people need to see even more is what we're REALLY doing over there: War profiteering. Our tax dollars are being invested in and supporting moneymaking operations the American people will never see a cent of a return on. And it's blood money. Soldiers are dying to protect corporate greed, not promote democracy. Expose to Americans who's benefitting and who's losing and that will change the perceptions of anyone supporting this war. It will also make it all the more clear why Ron Paul is the best candidate to become our next President. No one likes to be scammed.

I'm a trial lawyer. The ad is what works. You tug at the heart strings first and then show them the additional icing on the cake--our tax dollars are being wasted while the Pro-War Republicans claim our boys have been defeated and need a victory. After all, we already won didn't we? Mission accomplished?

sillvergirl
01-23-2008, 07:43 AM
Can we do what's needed here with this ourselves?? The official campaign seems to be MIA on this ( and other compelling , specific , "drive the point home hard" ) issues that ALSO need ads. Carvill was right, "It's the economy, stupid!!" and this campaign also has no hardhitting
ads that capitalize on that golden opportunity dropping into our lap.

Can we pool our resources to get this done???

justatrey
01-23-2008, 09:48 AM
Here is a very powerful video.

Ron Paul : The Forgotten Wounded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-h3fbu2vv8

JohnM
01-23-2008, 01:19 PM
If powerful, horrifying, graphic images of war prove effective during the Republican primaries, and Dr Paul gets the Republican nomination, does that mean that when it comes to facing Hillary (or Obama) the tactic will be powerful, horrifying, graphic images of aborted fetuses?

Nicketas
01-23-2008, 01:22 PM
....

jmdrake
01-23-2008, 07:49 PM
We need to go after the Obama / Hillary / Edwards voters. How about an ad that shows the debate where all three of them refuse to promise to leave Iraq by 2013? Show these graphic war images you're talking about, show Ron Paul voting against Iraq from the beginning and promising to get us out ASAP?

noztnac
01-24-2008, 06:33 AM
If powerful, horrifying, graphic images of war prove effective during the Republican primaries, and Dr Paul gets the Republican nomination, does that mean that when it comes to facing Hillary (or Obama) the tactic will be powerful, horrifying, graphic images of aborted fetuses?

Hillary supported the war.

noztnac
01-24-2008, 06:35 AM
This strategy has been tried many, many times, and it fails.

Hardcore pro-war advocates will just call you a dirty liberal and say its worth the price to "keep us safe"

No one wants to see the terror of war. Traumatizing someone does not convert them to vote.

Let it go.

It was tried in Vietnam and it worked. It has not been tried since. Web are losing and will lose if we refuse to take any stand for fear of alienating war mongers.

noztnac
01-24-2008, 06:36 AM
The tragic imagery of war is one thing. But what people need to see even more is what we're REALLY doing over there: War profiteering. Our tax dollars are being invested in and supporting moneymaking operations the American people will never see a cent of a return on. And it's blood money. Soldiers are dying to protect corporate greed, not promote democracy. Expose to Americans who's benefitting and who's losing and that will change the perceptions of anyone supporting this war. It will also make it all the more clear why Ron Paul is the best candidate to become our next President. No one likes to be scammed.

You are right. It's wrong on many levels. But we have yet to make that case to the American people which is why we are losing.

dblee
01-25-2008, 03:18 AM
this is EXACTLY the kind of ad that johnson used to beat barry goldwater in 1964.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_(television_commercial)

BigRedBrent
01-26-2008, 01:04 AM
Setting up a private organization like swiftboat vets and using that as the vehicle to associate graphic images of war with warmonger candidates is not a terrible idea.

Just as long as it's not connected to the Ron Paul campaign in any way and is purely used to attack the neocons.

You must also show that the democrats will not bring our troops home much sooner. Even if a democrat wins the war will not end in the first term of a democrat. This is not exclusive to republicans. Democrats are not exactly against this war, they just want it to look that way.

StarKissed
01-26-2008, 03:42 PM
I'm with you guys. However, what I'm hearing from the people, is that they want our troops home too, but they're afraid if they vote for Dr. Paul and we bring the troops home these 2 things will happen:

1. There will be no jobs for the soldiers that come home, which will further drive down the economy.

2. We will for sure suffer consequences from Terrorists, and they'll come here and blow us up.

How do we get the message out, that they're safe from these consequences? I think if we were able to show them they are safe from all this, we'd have it in the bag.

The visuals of war are great, but I think the solutions above are what the voters want & also need to get their vote.

JMO

noztnac
01-27-2008, 11:40 AM
This strategy has been tried many, many times, and it fails.

Hardcore pro-war advocates will just call you a dirty liberal and say its worth the price to "keep us safe"

No one wants to see the terror of war. Traumatizing someone does not convert them to vote.

Let it go.


I have not seen it tried once.... No wait! It was tried in Vietnam and it worked.

noztnac
01-27-2008, 04:34 PM
We need to go after the Obama / Hillary / Edwards voters. How about an ad that shows the debate where all three of them refuse to promise to leave Iraq by 2013? Show these graphic war images you're talking about, show Ron Paul voting against Iraq from the beginning and promising to get us out ASAP?

An excellent idea!:)