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pikerz
01-04-2008, 02:41 AM
Iowans are very much religious conservatives-- its expected they vote for the most religious of the bunch.

The other issue is simply this: farm subsidies.

Ron Paul's free market policies DO NOT PLAY WELL amongst farmers who are cashing in at the tax payers expense. Ethanol, among other subsidies, is very popular here-- RP's message runs completely counter to this.

We did very well given the pool of voters we had to work with.

NH will be much better!!

susano
01-04-2008, 02:43 AM
I agree with you. I'm in Michigan and Iowa has zero relationship to what is good for Michigan. Every state is different.

Karsten
01-04-2008, 02:46 AM
NH will be much better!!

Ron Paul is averaging 7% in NH, 5th place ahead of Thompson. Not to sound negative, but please back up a statement like "NH will be better" with something. Why do you think it will be better?

Paulitician
01-04-2008, 02:51 AM
Agreed. We were/are pulling higher in Iowa than we are in NH. If we win in NH, it will be because of independents, but those independents also have Obama, Romney and even the "maverick" McCain to chose from also.

pikerz
01-04-2008, 02:52 AM
Its an open primary that is structured in a way that encourages more people vote, and is far more accomodating to independents.

There wont be any standing around wasting time in crowded halls listening to speeches. There wont be set times that you have to show up if you want your vote counted.


Before the less-binding Iowa caucus first received national attention in the 1970s, the New Hampshire primary was the first binding indication of which presidential candidate would receive the party nomination. In defense of their primary, voters of New Hampshire have tended to downplay the importance of the Iowa caucus. "The people of Iowa pick corn, the people of New Hampshire pick presidents," said then-Governor John H. Sununu in 1988.

Since then, the primary has been considered an early measurement of the national attitude toward the candidates for nomination. Unlike a caucus, the primary measures the number of votes each candidate received directly, rather than through precinct delegates. The fact that the primary is based on the popular vote means that it gives less well known candidates a chance to pull ahead. Unlike most other states, New Hampshire permits independents, not just registered party members, to vote in a party's primary.

New Hampshire's status as the first in the nation is somewhat controversial among Democrats because the ethnic makeup of the state is not diverse, and thus not representative of the country's voters. This is shown in the 2000 Census data, with the ratio of minority residents being six times smaller than the national average (New Hampshire is 96% non-Hispanic white, versus 75% nationally). Politically however, the state does offer a wide sampling of different types of voters. Although it is a New England state, it is not as liberal as some of its neighbors. For example, according to one exit poll, of those who participated in the 2004 Democratic Primary, 4 in 10 voters were independents, and just over 50% said they considered themselves "liberal." Additionally, as of 2002, 25.6% of New Hampshire residents are registered Democrats and 36.7% are Republicans, with 37.7% of New Hampshire voters registered as "undeclared" independents. This plurality of independents is a major reason why New Hampshire is considered a swing state in general U.S. presidential elections

Dieseler
01-04-2008, 02:54 AM
They said on CNN that Dr. Paul pulled 41% of the Independent Republican vote.
Problem was, most of the independent vote went Democratic.

Karsten
01-04-2008, 02:55 AM
They said on CNN that Dr. Paul pulled 41% of the Independent Republican vote.
Problem was, most of the independent vote went Democratic.

Where did you get 41%? I heard 29%.

James Henderson
01-04-2008, 04:07 AM
Obama is the competition, more than McCain.

I caucused for Paul. But dude, Obama is a phenomenon. The youth turned out for him in mass in Iowa. It's a consolation just knowing Hillary is in deep trouble.

shagywashere
01-04-2008, 04:08 AM
Ron Paul is averaging 7% in NH, 5th place ahead of Thompson. Not to sound negative, but please back up a statement like "NH will be better" with something. Why do you think it will be better?

Straw polls, silly!

JohnnyWrath
01-04-2008, 04:11 AM
We placed 5th in the Iowa straw poll...and lo and behold we placed 5th in the Iowa Caucus...

In BOTH NH straw polls, Ron Paul was easily 1st place....we will do much better in NH.

Karsten
01-04-2008, 04:18 AM
We placed 5th in the Iowa straw poll...and lo and behold we placed 5th in the Iowa Caucus...

In BOTH NH straw polls, Ron Paul was easily 1st place....we will do much better in NH.

Unless you honestly believe Ron Paul will get anywhere close to 70% of the vote in NH, what is the significance of the accuracy of the straw poll there?

DJ RP
01-04-2008, 04:18 AM
A lot of talk about Iowa being very reiligious, yet all three top democrats got more votes than mike huckabee who got three times as many votes as Paul... what's gone wrong :(