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njandrewg
07-16-2007, 01:55 AM
NAME: TOTAL [ARMY] [NAVY] [AIR FORCE]
RON PAUL: 23,465 [6,975] [6,765] [4,650] [5,075]
MoneyMcCain: 15,825 [6925] [6305] [1795] [800]
Romney: 3,551 [2,051] [0] [1500] [0]
Rudy: 2,320 [1,450] [370] [250] [250]
Hunter: 1000 [0] [1000] [0]
Huckabee: 750 [250] [0] [500]
Tancredo: 350 [350] [0] [0]
Brownback: 71 [71] [0] [0]
Thompson: 0 [0] [0] [0]

Units are contributions in dollars by employees of the respective military organizations.

Source: Finance Reports for the 2007 July Quarterly. http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q2/

Percentages:
52.53% Ron Paul
35.4% McCain
7.9% Romney
5.2% Rudy
2.2% Hunter
2.6% Others

berkeleybound
07-16-2007, 01:57 AM
I actually think McCain had a few Marines in there as well.

njandrewg
07-16-2007, 01:59 AM
looks like I missed some #s

missed Ron Paul: US NAVY CIVILIAN 500.00
USAF 1,000.00
USAF-ACTIVE DUTY 2,300.00
DISABLED VETERAN 500.00

Romney:
USAF RETIRED 1,000.00

blame doing it at 3am(4am now)

goldstandard
07-16-2007, 02:00 AM
Source?

rockfree33
07-16-2007, 02:02 AM
I guess our troops want to vote for a President who actually cares for their lives.

Rocky Mtn Liberty Lover
07-16-2007, 02:06 AM
Great analysis, njandrewg. I know it is difficult when you have to clean up several different syntaxes for each category. This is only 2Q data, correct?

andrewgreve
07-16-2007, 03:02 AM
Source?

j650
07-16-2007, 03:13 AM
Source?

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q2/

Look under contributions by employer for each candidate.

The Dane
07-16-2007, 03:19 AM
What about directing out-reach efforts to the military? To private people in the military.

If they support RP very much, it could be the big break-in to the center of the republican hearts.

jonahtrainer
07-16-2007, 03:29 AM
I guess our troops want to vote for a President who actually cares for their lives.

No kidding. Ron Paul loves the People and loves our armed forces. They are not just expendable tools for corporate campaign donations. We need to get out troops back home ASAP.

Iran has too (http://www.rense.com/general59/theSunburniransawesome.htm) many missiles (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31412011af) ready to sink our THREE (http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2007/07/10/afx3898491.html) of eight aircraft carriers in the gulf.

Tuck
07-16-2007, 03:57 AM
everybody forward the info to all news networks :)

paulitics
07-16-2007, 06:39 AM
The 2 top candidates oppose torture. I bet this is a big reason why McCain along with Paul are supported. Torture has desecrated the military, and makes our troops less safe from that which we had once stood against.

foofighter20x
07-16-2007, 06:45 AM
looks like I missed some #s

missed Ron Paul: US NAVY CIVILIAN 500.00
USAF 1,000.00
USAF-ACTIVE DUTY 2,300.00
DISABLED VETERAN 500.00

Romney:
USAF RETIRED 1,000.00

blame doing it at 3am(4am now)

Ooops! That one was me! :p :D :cool:

EDIT: Let's keep this in context though, folks. This is amount in dollars organized by employer, not amount of contributors by employer.

kimosabi
07-16-2007, 06:57 AM
RP is cleaning up against the Democrat candidates as well.

Stuckinthesand13
07-16-2007, 07:03 AM
I missed out on Q2 donations, but I will be giving to him this time.

David P. Salsone
United States Navy (Active Duty)

foofighter20x
07-16-2007, 07:15 AM
WTH@ Diggers??? :confused:

I correct a comment in FAVOR of Dr Paul and it gets buried...

Odd bunch, them.

Scribbler de Stebbing
07-16-2007, 07:24 AM
Nice work. I just blogged your numbers at http://onscribblersmind.blogspot.com/2007/07/military-support-by-contributions.html

Let me know if you discover any corrections. I also dugg this story at http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Military_Support_by_Contributions_2008_GOP_Preside ntial_Race/blog

DjLoTi
07-16-2007, 07:39 AM
Don't forget that USN = US Navy, so you can add $1,000 to that.

BillyDkid
07-16-2007, 07:56 AM
Hi, I'm a little confused by this. I want to share the blogged page with all the Ron Paul naysayers on the JREF forum and they will naturally be checking the source. When I look at the list it says that Ron got $100.00 from the Army and if that is how I read it that is how they will too. Would someone help me to understand where these totals come from? I can't defend them unless I can understand them.

Also, the folks over on the JREF forum are typical internet savvy types and most of them still on dismiss Dr. Paul as a marginal whack job. I don't know if it is possible or even important to win these people over, but they are certainly representive of a certain segment of the internet generation. If more of you libertarian inclined/Ron Paul supporter types who are certainly more articulate and persuasive than myself could join and participate on the forum I wouldn't feel so alone over there.

It costs nothing and has a lot of lively debates. For you who don't know, it's the James Randi Educational Foundation (Randi is the well known magician/debunker). There is large forum on the site with numerous topics including one on politics. I have tried for a while to interest liberty defenders in joining and I am not sure if I have persuaded anybody. But these are generally very smart people on the forum and I think we need to be able to reach them and who they represent. My nick is the same there as here - BillyDKid. my best, BDK

foofighter20x
07-16-2007, 07:59 AM
Start by looking under US Army...

foofighter20x
07-16-2007, 08:04 AM
I think somewhere someone pointed out that a lot of the contributions were coming from CA, TX, and FL residents. This matches well the fact that the military is one of Dr Paul's largest donor groups. A LOT of military people, where ever they may come from, switch their residency to those three states--usually to escape state income tax withholdings from other states.

mport1
07-16-2007, 08:15 AM
We need to all send this to the media.

Rangerbrig
07-16-2007, 08:16 AM
I would like Ron Paul to get more specific on just exactly his view of a "strong military" means. Obviously he wants less US entanglement in other parts of the world.
Does this mean a drastically reduced force?
Will our military even have the ability to project itself globally?

As a veteran and military contractor, what of my livelihood. I am a former Army Ranger, Army Helicopter Instructor Pilot. In a Ron Paul administration, I see major cuts. At 42 with 3 kids, do I need to fear for my job?

I love Ron Paul's message, his Libertarian and Conservative values. I'm leaning in his direction, but need more specifics before I can completely commit to him and his campaign.

wecandoit
07-16-2007, 08:18 AM
wow, they really are fighting for our freedoms!

ChairmanMao
07-16-2007, 08:24 AM
RangerBrig the best thing you can do is email the campaign and just ask. They are pretty good about getting back to people in a day or two.

Scribbler de Stebbing
07-16-2007, 08:30 AM
I would like Ron Paul to get more specific on just exactly his view of a "strong military" means. Obviously he wants less US entanglement in other parts of the world.
Does this mean a drastically reduced force?
Will our military even have the ability to project itself globally?

As a veteran and military contractor, what of my livelihood. I am a former Army Ranger, Army Helicopter Instructor Pilot. In a Ron Paul administration, I see major cuts. At 42 with 3 kids, do I need to fear for my job?

I love Ron Paul's message, his Libertarian and Conservative values. I'm leaning in his direction, but need more specifics before I can completely commit to him and his campaign.

With our Reserves at home, where they should be, at the ready, we WOULD be able to activate were something serious to come up. As we are now, we're a sitting duck with our entire military, including the Reserves, spoken for. Undeployed Reserves cost a whole lot less than what we're doing now.

Let's not forget how much of our military spending is going to corporations, the so-called "military-industrial complex," the Haliburtons which consider $75,000 big-rigs as one-time-use, disposable vehicles.

Scribbler de Stebbing
07-16-2007, 08:36 AM
These contribution numbers likely do not reflect the Reserves, and there may be an even bigger spread were it possible to see what they contributed.

BillyDkid
07-16-2007, 08:43 AM
Ok, I just didn't check the whole list. But I do have another issue - under donations by zip - there is no donation for my zip and I have donated 200.00 myself alone. I can't think of a reasonable explanation why my donation does not show up. Maybe it is just under "no zip included", but I did include my zip. I got thank you cards from the campaign, so yes I must have included my zip.

rich34
07-16-2007, 09:07 AM
Ok, I just didn't check the whole list. But I do have another issue - under donations by zip - there is no donation for my zip and I have donated 200.00 myself alone. I can't think of a reasonable explanation why my donation does not show up. Maybe it is just under "no zip included", but I did include my zip. I got thank you cards from the campaign, so yes I must have included my zip.


I checked for my zip as well and it was not listed either. Not sure why, but I do know that I sent in 100 bucks.

jcbraithwaite7
07-16-2007, 09:19 AM
My zip and donation isn't included either. Hmmmmm?

purepaloma
07-16-2007, 09:28 AM
They only show contributions of more than 200.

SlapItHigh
07-16-2007, 09:44 AM
Hmm, I never thought about the significance of listing employer. My husband is in the Navy but I've been doing the donations for our family and listing my own employer. We figured there was no need for him to do the donations under his name until I pass the max donations since it is pretty much a donation from both of us. As a navy family, we have donated multiple times but it won't be reflected in those numbers.

BillyDkid
07-16-2007, 10:58 AM
This is typical of the kind of thing I am contending with over on the JREF forum.

The Badnarik folk were pretty out there, the Paul folks are hilarious, he intersects the 911 truther, conspiracy nuts, and anti flouridation crowd, and whatever other nutty beliefs.

The fun is watching them build up their hopes, thinking he will win. Once he starts finishing in 9th however, they will get rabid and forming new conspiracies for his failures.

I know it would be stupid to try to respond to every dishonest thing posted on the internet. I have some investment in that forum because I have been a member since 2002 and it matters to me what those people think, but I have very few supporters over there. It is hard to make people think when they have already made up their minds. Please, please let these people eventually eat crow!!! I have been lambasted over there for supporting Harry Browne and for supporting Badnirik, please God, let Ron Paul make a good showing.

BillyDkid
07-16-2007, 10:59 AM
They only show contributions of more than 200.I don't think that's actually true. I know I saw some for $50.00.

njandrewg
07-16-2007, 11:13 AM
I got the updated numbers and percentages...looks like I missed a lot.(thats what happens when you do this kind of stuff at 4 in the morning)

Rangerbrig
07-21-2007, 02:51 PM
With our Reserves at home, where they should be, at the ready, we WOULD be able to activate were something serious to come up. As we are now, we're a sitting duck with our entire military, including the Reserves, spoken for. Undeployed Reserves cost a whole lot less than what we're doing now.

Let's not forget how much of our military spending is going to corporations, the so-called "military-industrial complex," the Haliburtons which consider $75,000 big-rigs as one-time-use, disposable vehicles.

Just wanted to follow up on this... I did send in a email to the campaign and got an auto-response back, but no direct contact. How our military will be organized and used in a Ron Paul administration is pretty important to me. Being a member of the "military-industrial complex" and all...