You know what this means

[Oliver]

The results so far, and it's realistic to take them
serious, show that the "old way" of advertising
is still essential to get the name out - which isn't
a big surprise at all.

This means:

more canvassing
traditional advertising in the old MSM
less money wasted in blimps
less "youtubing"
less digging
less poll-spamming
less automated (and probably annoying) phonecalls
less moneybomb talk (More Payday for constant fiancing)
less complaining about irrelevant things (like FOX)Feel free to add points...

[RevolutionSD]

IOWA does NOT represent the rest of the country!
I.E. I've never even HEARD of a huckabee supporter out here! Iowans are cranky old traditionalists, NH will be a whole different story!

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

We need to get ready for a third-party run. We have the cash, we have the candidate, and we have the issues.

Wake up to reality: the GOP is too far gone. They are brainwashed on foreign policy and spending.

[blakjak]

We need to get ready for a third-party run. We have the cash, we have the candidate, and we have the issues.

Wake up to reality: the GOP is too far gone. They are brainwashed on foreign policy and spending.

No, we don't have the cash. We have the cash to compete as a Republican - it would require much, much more to compete as an Independent.

[Energy]

Shows that olde media has tremendous power. If Ron Paul had been given fair coverage, then we wouldn't have elder Republicans say "Who's Ron Paul?" Media's reliance on silly polls is a huge hurdle. Huckabee got to where he's at from free media coverage.

[Oliver]

Please add your points as well. Even if Iowans are
"cranky old traditionalists", it doesn't contradict my
points in any way.

The Internet isn't the top priority - nor does it
produce enough voters. And you may remember
that Ron is a "traditionalist" as well.

[livinglegend]

It means that Ron Paul is having a hard time winning over the small slice of party-loyal neo-cons who vote in primaries.

All the more reason to forget about the neo-con party primaries and have Ron declare his run for the Whitehouse after New Hampshire. Once the AVERAGE VOTER hears Ron in the big debates in the summer he will take off like a rocket!

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

The results so far, and it's realistic to take them
serious, show that the "old way" of advertising
is still essential to get the name out - which isn't
a big surprise at all.

This means:

more canvassing
traditional advertising in the old MSM
less money wasted in blimps
less "youtubing"
less digging
less poll-spamming
less automated (and probably annoying) phonecalls
less moneybomb talk (More Payday for constant fiancing)
less complaining about irrelevant things (like FOX)Feel free to add points...

The "old way" is to have your name paraded in front of America for several years in news clips so that when the race starts your name is already a household name. Ads are a part of it, but the news outlets shape public opinion. Ron Paul will never get the same kind of news coverage. That's why our campaign needs creativity as well as the old MSM.

You are absolutely right about more canvassing. That is key.

[Mark37snj]

IOWA does NOT represent the rest of the country!
I.E. I've never even HEARD of a huckabee supporter out here! Iowans are cranky old traditionalists, NH will be a whole different story!

+1

[MsDoodahs]

Cranky old traditionalists VOTE.

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

It means that Ron Paul is having a hard time winning over the small slice of party-loyal neo-cons who vote in primaries.

All the more reason to forget about the neo-con party primaries and have Ron declare his run for the Whitehouse after New Hampshire. Once the AVERAGE VOTER hears Ron in the big debates in the summer he will take off like a rocket!

He needs to ride the Republican Party as far as possible. It's how he got to this point. Too early to jump.

[Oliver]

The "old way" is to have your name paraded in front of America for several years in news clips so that when the race starts your name is already a household name. Ads are a part of it, but the news outlets shape public opinion. Ron Paul will never get the same kind of news coverage. That's why our campaign needs creativity as well as the old MSM.

You are absolutely right about more canvassing. That is key.

It is true that the MSM didn't support Ron that
much - but they can't ignore him anymore if
everyone knows who he is and what he stands
for. And the only way to get him famous is the
old Media. Luxus like a Blimp with a name "you
never heard" is wasted time and money, for
example.

Same goes to spam online-polls, rate Youtube
videos, Digging and commenting or complaining
about irrelevant or unchangeable things.

[Adamsa]

I can't think of a candidate more like Bush than Huckabee.

[Matthew Zak]

The Blimp MORE than pays for it's self. The blimp should stay up.

Ron isn't a quitter so let's not quit on him. He's only 3 freaking percent away from 3rd place in a state nobody projected him to do even this well in.

[Oliver]

The Blimp MORE than pays for it's self. The blimp should stay up.

Ron isn't a quitter so let's not quit on him. He's only 3 freaking percent away from 3rd place in a state nobody projected him to do even this well in.

I disagree. You can post 5 full time ads in national
Magazines/Newspapers each month for the money
the Blimp costs. Plus you can actually address the
issues.

$400,000 for less than 10 words is a joke.

[Oliver]

Any additional ideas concerning the focus of
the Grassroots?

[kill the banks]

i knew this state was unwinnable ... this was huck's 15 minutes ... he is not presidential and won on religion ... now is the time to win independent vote in nh ... it's a long road marathon

trust in ron's experience & the world is still watching

kill the banks

[scshute]

May I remind you all that Pat Buchanan won Iowa once upon a time.

This is a marathon, not a sprint... and no one remembers who won the first mile of a marathon.

[Oliver]

i knew this state was unwinnable

Aren't all Bible-Belt states "kooky and traditional"
as well - so we have to take similar results in
those states into account? :confused:

[boethius27]

He did good. Made a real showing in a state full of people who aren't exactly the Paul type. There are a lot of states to go and a lot less christian warmongering ones.

www.ronpaul2008.com/donate

[kill the banks]

I disagree. You can post 5 full time ads in national
Magazines/Newspapers each month for the money
the Blimp costs. Plus you can actually address the
issues.

$400,000 for less than 10 words is a joke.



i disagree ... the blimp was genius ... it is unfortunate whether a few bugs set it back from teaparty , another genius idea ... get out and work new hampshire ~ that will indicate if we need to change strategy in any major way ... we are a team and teams work harder for the next game

kill the banks

[noztnac]

The results so far, and it's realistic to take them
serious, show that the "old way" of advertising
is still essential to get the name out - which isn't
a big surprise at all.

This means:

more canvassing
traditional advertising in the old MSM
less money wasted in blimps
less "youtubing"
less digging
less poll-spamming
less automated (and probably annoying) phonecalls
less moneybomb talk (More Payday for constant fiancing)
less complaining about irrelevant things (like FOX)Feel free to add points...

Or it means keep doing all of the above.

The digging and you-tubing are free and they've helped a lot. There's no reason we should quit doing those two things.

The blimp got us tons of publicity.

The moneybombs did too and we also have a heck of a lot more money down the road than say...Huckabee.

Fox bias is hardly irrelevant.

I agree on the automated calls, more canvassing, and ads although we clearly need a new ad agency.

[Driftar]

We need to get ready for a third-party run. We have the cash, we have the candidate, and we have the issues.

Wake up to reality: the GOP is too far gone. They are brainwashed on foreign policy and spending.

Please refrain from saying this anymore UNTIL FEB 5th!!!! or at LEAST until New Hamshire. Seriously.

[Oliver]

Or it means keep doing all of the above.

The digging and you-tubing are free and they've helped a lot. There's no reason we should quit doing those two things.

The blimp got us tons of publicity.

The moneybombs did too and we also have a heck of a lot more money down the road than say...Huckabee.

Fox bias is hardly irrelevant.

I agree on the automated calls, more canvassing, and ads although we clearly need a new ad agency.

I agree that the Internet helped to get things
started and now it seems to be time to focus
on priorities.

Imagine if the 10,000 members in here would
do nothing but canvassing and spending money
on full page ads and the payday. We could
reach a million people within a week with
canvassing alone - and another view millions
with Ad's in national magazines and newspapers.

Now compare this to 5,000 people per month
who actually "google Ron Paul". Honest people
will admit that this is insane.

[kill the banks]

huck's 15 minutes is hardly the end of the world ... i felt iowa was unwinnable anyway ... huck is in critical condition , yes he won but realistically he is broke and more importantly he is not presidential material [ most republican's will not support him ]
it's a marathon ~ learn how to win

kill the banks

[Oliver]

huck's 15 minutes is hardly the end of the world ... i felt iowa was unwinnable anyway ... huck is in critical condition , yes he won but realistically he is broke and more importantly he is not presidential material [ most republican's will not support him ]
it's a marathon ~ learn how to win

kill the banks

So your suggestions are ... what should the
focus be?

[kill the banks]

I agree that the Internet helped to get things
started and now it seems to be time to focus
on priorities.

Imagine if the 10,000 members in here would
do nothing but canvassing and spending money
on full page ads and the payday. We could
reach a million people within a week with
canvassing alone - and another view millions
with Ad's in national magazines and newspapers.

Now compare this to 5,000 people per month
who actually "google Ron Paul". Honest people
will admit that this is insane.

this is more true ... yes we need grassroots to get canvassing and active ; yes we need grassroots to fund more ads esp ads we create ... i wish we would fund ourselves [ as grassroots ] and do what we think is best in ,for instance, tv ads or newspaper ads ... we can be more creative than campaign

kill the banks

[Oliver]

this is more true ... yes we need grassroots to get canvassing and active ; yes we need grassroots to fund more ads esp ads we create ... i wish we would fund ourselves [ as grassroots ] and do what we think is best in ,for instance, tv ads or newspaper ads ... we can be more creative than campaign

kill the banks

So why should it be impossible to have a grassroots PAC-Fund or
something like that to make sure that we have Full page ads every
week or two? The anarchy so far isn't that effective offline - it's rather
distracting from offline-efforts, isn't it? ... :"/

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

The results so far, and it's realistic to take them
serious, show that the "old way" of advertising
is still essential to get the name out - which isn't
a big surprise at all.

This means:

more canvassing
traditional advertising in the old MSM
less money wasted in blimps
less "youtubing"
less digging
less poll-spamming
less automated (and probably annoying) phonecalls
less moneybomb talk (More Payday for constant fiancing)
less complaining about irrelevant things (like FOX)Feel free to add points...

I agree with everything except for moneybombs. Moneybombs are HOW we have gotten all our money. They're a great idea.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I disagree. You can post 5 full time ads in national
Magazines/Newspapers each month for the money
the Blimp costs. Plus you can actually address the
issues.

$400,000 for less than 10 words is a joke.




I agree, pop the blimp.

It has garnered NO WHERE NEAR the publicity we were lead to believe. That money would be better spent on http://OperationNH.com

.

[Oliver]

I agree with everything except for moneybombs. Moneybombs are HOW we have gotten all our money. They're a great idea.

True. But they don't work anymore - and the
Campaign needs constant flow of money. So
it isn't an advantage at this point. That's why
I tend to be in favor of "Ron's Payday".

Once Ron get's the nomination, we can focus
on moneybombs again - because he will be
all over the Media anyway. But the goal right
now should be getting the Name out - and
offline - and no more wasting money on luxuries.

[kill the banks]

So why should it be impossible to have a grassroots PAC-Fund or
something like that to make sure that we have Full page ads every
week or two? The anarchy so far isn't that effective offline - it's rather
distracting from offline-efforts, isn't it? ... :"/

i said we need a grassroots funding in some fashion pac or what ever best ... where did i say it's impossible ??? some have paid for their own ads which is commendable
and hardly distracting rather highly beneficial ... we were 2% or less and now we have substance ... not sure what you mean sometimes oliver but if you mean the internet strategy is distracting the conventional politics and campaigning strategy , then i think both play a role ... we are a pioneer in internet strategy and have made a mark in history already

kill the banks

[TruckinMike]

* more canvassing
* traditional advertising in the old MSM
* less money wasted in blimps
* less "youtubing"
* less digging
* less poll-spamming
* less automated (and probably annoying) phonecalls
* less moneybomb talk (More Payday for constant fiancing)
* less complaining about irrelevant things (like FOX)

Feel free to add points... --- you forgot about posting SIGNS!

TMIKE

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

--- you forgot about posting SIGNS!

TMIKE

Lots of them! :cool:

[Oliver]

i said we need a grassroots funding in some fashion pac or what ever best ... where did i say it's impossible ??? some have paid for their own ads which is commendable
and hardly distracting rather highly beneficial ... we were 2% or less and now we have substance ... not sure what you mean sometimes oliver but if you mean the internet strategy is distracting the conventional politics and campaigning strategy , then i think both play a role ... we are a pioneer in internet strategy and have made a mark in history already

kill the banks

No no - you didn't say it's impossible but many
in here prefer the "anarchy/chaos"-factor of the
Grassroots - which surely was and is helpful on
the Internet.

I would like to see more coordination to be 500%
as effective as the efforts are so far.

By distraction I mean such things like the outrage
about FOX in the last days. That isn't in any way
constructive, as annoying those news might be.

[Oliver]

--- you forgot about posting SIGNS!

TMIKE

True. :)

[kill the banks]

True. But they don't work anymore - and the
Campaign needs constant flow of money. So
it isn't an advantage at this point. That's why
I tend to be in favor of "Ron's Payday".

Once Ron get's the nomination, we can focus
on moneybombs again - because he will be
all over the Media anyway. But the goal right
now should be getting the Name out - and
offline - and no more wasting money on luxuries.

the well planned 2 moneybombs worked fine ... if they are properly done they will raise more cash than other candidates again ... yes the payday is another genius idea imo and should be used and promoted ~ it attracts another niche of people who can support ron on regular basis ... don't think moneybombs are broke so if they are properly done and collectively supported they are important to cash flow ... if MSM doesn't follow them as much as first one , it still results in major cash flow ~ without which we are done

kill the banks

[Antonius Stone]

hey, how much does it cost to make a mini-blimp like they did in San Diego? a 15-foot helium balloon that says Ron Paul For President?

If its cheap enough, someone find a way to mass produce it and sell it via the internet then we can set them up.... everywhere!

The more unconventional ideas are the good ones, imo. The gum, the slim jims, the mini-blimps... combined with canvassing and TV/Radio (which the official campaign is already financing) is what will get us this election. Let the official campaign with its $20M finance the traditional, "old-school" advertising methods. We should continue with canvassing as well as the more unconventional projects and sign waving.

Also, it would pay to have some gear that's a bit more confrontational. Instead of T-Shirts that say "Ron Paul Revolution" or "Google Ron Paul"... just be up front. Lets get shirts that say "Ask me about Ron Paul." If we had people wearing gear like this everyday on the metro or the subway or whatever it would lead to more conversations and more conversions.

[Joe3113]

Please add your points as well. Even if Iowans are
"cranky old traditionalists"

If they were cranky old traditionalists they would support the constitution.

They are brainwashed nWo CFR fodder

[Oliver]

the well planned 2 moneybombs worked fine ... if they are properly done they will raise more cash than other candidates again ... yes the payday is another genius idea imo and should be used and promoted ~ it attracts another niche of people who can support ron on regular basis ... don't think moneybombs are broke so if they are properly done and collectively supported they are important to cash flow ... if MSM doesn't follow them as much as first one , it still results in major cash flow ~ without which we are done

kill the banks

My doubts about new moneybombs is that many
people just wait for a moneybomb, donate some
money and think they've done their part. Well,
and the official campaign prefers constant money-
flow over moneybombs. Plus the Media doesn't
make a big story out of it anymore. Plus the
next moneybomb could be a flop - and then the
MSM might jump on the story. :(

[Oliver]

hey, how much does it cost to make a mini-blimp like they did in San Diego? a 15-foot helium balloon that says Ron Paul For President?

As far I remember, the mini-blimp costs 2000 bucks.
Pretty expensive if they're not produced in mass-production.

But who made them?

[kill the banks]

No no - you didn't say it's impossible but many
in here prefer the "anarchy/chaos"-factor of the
Grassroots - which surely was and is helpful on
the Internet.

I would like to see more coordination to be 500%
as effective as the efforts are so far.

By distraction I mean such things like the outrage
about FOX in the last days. That isn't in any way
constructive, as annoying those news might be.

ok , the anarchy could remain ... i'm true to that theme ... however , why not a little bomb for ourselves to make sure all these little projects can be paid for ... for instance , if 2 million was collected all chip ins etc for say NH or any state could be financed easily ... no i don't want central control in grassroots , just think we could pick a day to pay ourselves and pump enough cash into the kitty to get these collective anarchy grassroots projects really successfully done ... so coordination in grassroots i agree with

as for dissent with fox , yes you can go too far and waste time but i support constructive dissent esp fox as it is a neocon propaganda machine of the MIC



kill the banks

[Oliver]

If they were cranky old traditionalists they would support the constitution.

They are brainwashed nWo CFR fodder

May be - even if I doubt that many people know
about the CFR or their connections. So the brain-
washed claim doesn't sound factual to me.

[Antonius Stone]

As far I remember, the mini-blimp costs 2000 bucks.
Pretty expensive if they're not produced in mass-production.


true, but still not bad for what is essentially a billboard that can be tethered anywhere. Find out the comparative costs for actual billboard space then we can make a decision as to whether or not pursuing a mass-production of mini-blimps could be viable

[Oliver]

ok , the anarchy could remain ... i'm true to that theme ... however , why not a little bomb for ourselves to make sure all these little projects can be paid for ... for instance , if 2 million was collected all chip ins etc for say NH or any state could be financed easily ... no i don't want central control in grassroots , just think we could pick a day to pay ourselves and pump enough cash into the kitty to get these collective anarchy grassroots projects really successfully done ... so coordination in grassroots i agree with

as for dissent with fox , yes you can go to far and waste time but i support constructive dissent esp fox as it is a neocon propaganda machine of the IMC

kill the banks


Mhmm, what do you think about the combination
of Moneybombs for a grassroots fund - plus payday
for the official campaign?

This way the official campaign would get the money
and the Grassroots were able to decide what the
moneybomb money is being spend for.

Concerning FOX: They're out of business anyway
if they would attack "President Paul" all the time,
and they would shoot into their feet for attacking
him when he gets the nomination. So the best
revenge would be to get Ron the rep's nominee. :D

[Oliver]

true, but still not bad for what is essentially a billboard that can be tethered anywhere. Find out the comparative costs for actual billboard space then we can make a decision as to whether or not pursuing a mass-production of mini-blimps could be viable

Does someone in here know if those Blimp were made by
a company or privately?

[kill the banks]

Mhmm, what do you think about the combination
of Moneybombs for a grassroots fund - plus payday
for the official campaign?

This way the official campaign would get the money
and the Grassroots were able to decide what the
moneybomb money is being spend for.

Concerning FOX: They're out of business anyway
if they would attack "President Paul" all the time,
and they would shoot into their feet for attacking
him when he gets the nomination. So the best
revenge would be to get Ron the rep's nominee. :D

1st question fine what you suggest but the occasional big bomb
would still be needed i think oliver to fund campaign ... ron needs
big money i feel and once in a while the moneybomb would put
him in big league area he needs to maintain ... voters equate
money with chance to win

it's not a perfect world oliver and MSM is a problem , bigger
than you may want to believe ... globalist elite are a reality
and i feel you see it as only conspiracy theory sometimes
or you have agenda ... dissent is a right ! and it's bigger
than fox ... if we don't get control of our own money then
there is no independence , just more crime boss rockefeller
types promoting their agenda with unlimited funds

kill the banks

[Oliver]

1st question fine what you suggest but the occasional big bomb
would still be needed i think oliver to fund campaign ... ron needs
big money i feel and once in a while the moneybomb would put
him in big league area he needs to maintain ... voters equate
money with chance to win

it's not a perfect world oliver and MSM is a problem , bigger
than you may want to believe ... globalist elite are a reality
and i feel you see it as only conspiracy theory sometimes
or you have agenda ... dissent is a right ! and it's bigger
than fox ... if we don't get control of our own money then
there is no independence , just more crime boss rockefeller
types promoting their agenda with unlimited funds

kill the banks

Well, this might be true in America - but people over here
aren't paranoid about any "Neocon Worlddomination". So from
my POV it's save to say that this is an American thingy which
sounds ridiculous to me - even if CFR's and the lobbies
influence are true, which is another problem of the US-system
and a pretty unsurprising side effect of being a superpower.

Anyway: Grassroots made better Ad's than every one I saw
coming from the official campaign. So why not airing them as
well via a Grassroots fund. I really have a hard time to figure
out for what the "big money" is being spend on.

MSNBC just announced that Ron Paul was the winner from
independent voters... :)

[Antonius Stone]

Does someone in here know if those Blimp were made by
a company or privately?

I really don't know but I also dont see where all the cost for producing the mini blimps comes from... I mean all we're talking about is a 15' balloon- how could that cost $2K?

[Oliver]

I really don't know but I also dont see where all the cost for producing the mini blimps comes from... I mean all we're talking about is a 15' balloon- how could that cost $2K?

We're talking about this Mini-Blimp here, don't we? :
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/19966

[Oliver]

Another thing I'd like to add are endorsements. I don't
know why Chuck Norris had any impact at all since he's
just an "second tier" actor, but if this is such influential
then it surely wouldn't hurt to have at least similar popular
endorsements as well.

[Antonius Stone]

Another thing I'd like to add are endorsements. I don't
know why Chuck Norris had any impact at all since he's
just an "second tier" actor, but if this is such influential
then it surely wouldn't hurt to have at least similar popular
endorsements as well.

we could easily get endorsements from John Mayer and Willie Nelson with just a little bit of effort.

as i've been saying for a while what we need is JAY Z

edit: and yes, that is the mini-blimp I am talking about.

[Oliver]

we could easily get endorsements from John Mayer and Willie Nelson with just a little bit of effort.

as i've been saying for a while what we need is JAY Z

edit: and yes, that is the mini-blimp I am talking about.

I have no Idea who John Mayer and Willie Nelson
are - but JAY Z would be great for the younger
people. And for the older ones - Clint Eastwood? :D

What about:

Bill Cosby
Tom Cruise
Mel Gibson
Billy Graham
Tom Hanks
Hugh Hefner
Rush Limbaugh
George Lucas
Madonna
Dr. Phil
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Donald Trump
Letterman

[jmdrake]

Any additional ideas concerning the focus of
the Grassroots?

Sure.

* Sign up as a campaign volunteer at ronpaul2008.com. State coordinators get this info and they have some idea who's supporting Dr. Paul in which counties.

* Watch the training videos at ronpaul2008.com.

* Contact your state coordinator and volunteer to be a precinct captain.

* Find out how many republicans voted in your precinct in 2000 (the last time there was a contested republican primary). Use this to gauge how many votes you need to win that precinct.

* Don't waste time complaining about other people's grassroots ideas (i.e. complaining about money bombs and blimps.) If you want too see money spent on magazine ads start a "Magazine ad bomb chipin/website".

* Burn DVDs and pass them out. Leave them at opportune places like laundry mats. Or buy the 25 cent DVDs at http://www.ronpaulreveres.com/dvd.

Lot's of work to do. Little time to do it. One thing else to realize. There was a MASSIVE GOTV in Iowa. There will likely be one in NH too. If we can match that same intensity in "forgotten" states (like Tennessee) we might rattle some cages.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[Oliver]

Or one of these guys:

Mel Gibson
Julia Roberts
Johnny Depp
Harrison Ford
Denzel Washington
Clint Eastwood
Sean Connery
George Clooney

[Antonius Stone]

clooney is already sold on obama

and Willie Nelson btw is a Country Music legend

[Oliver]

* Find out how many republicans voted in your precinct in 2000 (the last time there was a contested republican primary). Use this to gauge how many votes you need to win that precinct.


Thanks for your additional suggestions. Do you know where to
find statistics about how many people voted in each states in
the last elections - including the 2008 data? From what I heard
there were about 140,000 republicans voting in Iowa. That
doesn't sound that much to me.

[Oliver]

clooney is already sold on obama

and Willie Nelson btw is a Country Music legend

What would be the most fitting Celebrity/-'s in your opinion?

[Just Come Home]

Moneybombing brought us up from 1-2% in Iowa to 10%.

We'd be stupid to do "less moneybombing."

If anything, we need to show the world our resolve.

[Oliver]

Moneybombing brought us up from 1-2% in Iowa to 10%.

We'd be stupid to do "less moneybombing."

If anything, we need to show the world our resolve.

Well, how much would it have brought to use $10,000,000 in
full page ads all over the nation?

The point is that Ron has to be treated as a frontrunner. We
all saw what happened to Huckabee once the Media treated
him this way.

And he didn't have ANY MONEYBOMB-SUCCESS! :mad: Now that
should be a wake-up call about moneybombs, shouldn't it? :confused:

[Oliver]

Does someone in here know if those Blimp were made by
a company or privately?

Anyone knowing the answer?

[tboss]

I agree on the complaining and the digging.

I think we need to be doing everything that we can be doing. Including the money bomb and the rest of it. So, this I don't agree with.

More getting out there and getting every friend of ours on our side and getting them to tell their friends etc...

[Oliver]

I agree on the complaining and the digging.

I think we need to be doing everything that we can be doing. Including the money bomb and the rest of it. So, this I don't agree with.

More getting out there and getting every friend of ours on our side and getting them to tell their friends etc...

We certainly can agree that Ron needs money - no matter
if Payday or Moneybombs. According to AP, Dr. Paul has
about 5,400,000 dollars cash on hand:

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/wdc/2008money/fec_101507b.swf

ADDED: I just realized that the data does NOT include Q4/2007!

[Gimme Some Truth]

We need to get ready for a third-party run. We have the cash, we have the candidate, and we have the issues.

Wake up to reality: the GOP is too far gone. They are brainwashed on foreign policy and spending.

Will you please stfu about giving up and waiting around for a 3rd party run! You're really doin my head in now.

Damn quitters..

:mad:

[Oliver]

By the way, the official RP2008 YouTube site just released a new Ad:

Ron Paul TV Ad: Troops Support Ron Paul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qVmVJJaLkM)
From: RonPaul2008dotcom (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RonPaul2008dotcom)
Views: 237
Comments: 15 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qVmVJJaLkM)

[Oliver]

Will you please stfu about giving up and waiting around for a 3rd party run! You're really doin my head in now.

Damn quitters..

:mad:

+1 Dr. Paul never wins using the independent ticket. And he
doesn't seem to have the nerves/energy for this stunt.

[austin356]

The results so far, and it's realistic to take them
serious, show that the "old way" of advertising
is still essential to get the name out - which isn't
a big surprise at all.

This means:

more canvassing
traditional advertising in the old MSM
less money wasted in blimps
less "youtubing"
less digging
less poll-spamming
less automated (and probably annoying) phonecalls
less moneybomb talk (More Payday for constant fiancing)
less complaining about irrelevant things (like FOX)Feel free to add points...



I am quoting a truther for his spoken truth.

[austin356]

We certainly can agree that Ron needs money - no matter
if Payday or Moneybombs. According to AP, Dr. Paul has
about 5,400,000 dollars cash on hand:

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/wdc/2008money/fec_101507b.swf

ADDED: I just realized that the data does NOT include Q4/2007!


Things changed quickly. I dont have spending totals for Nov and Dec. but we spent $3m in October.

[Oliver]

Things changed quickly. I dont have spending totals for Nov and Dec. but we spent $3m in October.

Too bad that the official campaign doesn't publish more info
about the finances - it would be much easier to plan fund raising
based on those facts...

[Oliver]

Mini Blimp update for those who asked:

The company who sells them is:
http://www.californiaadvertisingblimps.com/

http://www.californiaadvertisingblimps.com/defil/$5blimp.JPG http://www.californiaadvertisingblimps.com/defil/kissin2blimp%20thumb.jpg http://www.californiaadvertisingblimps.com/defil/Blimp-14ft.%20Trident-small.JPG

Prices:

11 ft. Blimp - $461.00
14 ft. Blimp - $665.00
17 ft. Blimp - $951.00
20 ft. Blimp - $1334.00

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2820/14ronpaulblimpho0.jpg

[Oliver]

More "Blimp Advertising" companies:

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=%22Advertising+Blimps%22&btnG=Google+Search

[raiha]

1. Each meet-up group could appoint their most articulate and pleasant member and get them to arrange meetings with newspaper reporters from your local small suburban newspapers.

The small ones looove human interest stories and the personal touch...usually more effective than advertising. Compile interesting angles on things like Ron Paul signs stolen from garden and turning up two houses down. This strategy is a total winner. Pull out all the stops to do this. Get out of comfort zone!

2 Join your local toastmasters group. You go there to learn how to do public speaking. You have an audience of about 15-18 people who you are practicing on. I did an entire talk on Abraham Lincoln once and the time-keeper was so interested in the content she forgot to push the bell for me to stop...which meant i kept going.:cool:

3. Are we using all our social / religious networks that we may forget we have access to? Re-acquainting with old friends and family who may have fallen off your radar, for coffee...and you just happen to have a couple of brochures in your bag.

Be intelligent. Find out what interests them! they may have no interest at all in inflation but may have a thing about civil liberties... so know what makes them tick.

4. Wear your Ron Paul t-shirts everywhere... and be open to pounce on anyone who shows a mild interest. Maintaining awareness of their body language of course. Know when to stop...ie when the glazed look comes into their eyes...

5. Get into the mind-set that he actually did really well ...that he is not a 'wacko' in the eyes of many any more but a serious contender. Believe it and they'll believe you!!!

6. Read "The Hare and the Tortoise" and reflect upon its wisdom. :D

[AceNZ]

1. Walk-N-Talk: by yourself or with your local meetup. Wear an RP T-shirt, take some slim-jims and DVDs, and go to a busy place (mall, etc) and talk to people about him.

2. Follow llepard's lead. Raise some money and run full-page ads in newspapers all over the country.

3. Raise money to produce and run our own TV ads. Several existing videos could be easily modified to be air-able. Run on late-night TV if that's all our budget will allow.

4. Old-fashioned canvassing.

5. Put up signs.

6. Write letters to the editor for local and national newspapers.

7. Capture video and still images of local RP rallies, sign-waving events, etc, and submit it to local news, ideally with a short story to go with it.

8. Identify and talk with local influential people in your community -- pastors, businessmen, etc.

9. Comb your local newspaper for events and groups that might be willing to have someone come and talk with them about RP. Call them up and try to arrange a time to talk with their group.

10. Go to local old-folks homes / communities and ask if it would be OK to walk around and talk with people. Hand out slim-jims, DVDs, etc.

11. Watch for local events like concerts, sports events, etc, where there will be a lot of people in one place. Go and walk-n-talk.

[Oliver]

1. Each meet-up group could appoint their most articulate and pleasant member and get them to arrange meetings with newspaper reporters from your local small suburban newspapers.

The small ones looove human interest stories and the personal touch...usually more effective than advertising. Compile interesting angles on things like Ron Paul signs stolen from garden and turning up two houses down. This strategy is a total winner. Pull out all the stops to do this. Get out of comfort zone!

2 Join your local toastmasters group. You go there to learn how to do public speaking. You have an audience of about 15-18 people who you are practicing on. I did an entire talk on Abraham Lincoln once and the time-keeper was so interested in the content she forgot to push the bell for me to stop...which meant i kept going.:cool:

3. Are we using all our social / religious networks that we may forget we have access to? Re-acquainting with old friends and family who may have fallen off your radar, for coffee...and you just happen to have a couple of brochures in your bag.

Be intelligent. Find out what interests them! they may have no interest at all in inflation but may have a thing about civil liberties... so know what makes them tick.

4. Wear your Ron Paul t-shirts everywhere... and be open to pounce on anyone who shows a mild interest. Maintaining awareness of their body language of course. Know when to stop...ie when the glazed look comes into their eyes...

5. Get into the mind-set that he actually did really well ...that he is not a 'wacko' in the eyes of many any more but a serious contender. Believe it and they'll believe you!!!

6. Read "The Hare and the Tortoise" and reflect upon its wisdom. :D


1. Walk-N-Talk: by yourself or with your local meetup. Wear an RP T-shirt, take some slim-jims and DVDs, and go to a busy place (mall, etc) and talk to people about him.

2. Follow llepard's lead. Raise some money and run full-page ads in newspapers all over the country.

3. Raise money to produce and run our own TV ads. Several existing videos could be easily modified to be air-able. Run on late-night TV if that's all our budget will allow.

4. Old-fashioned canvassing.

5. Put up signs.

6. Write letters to the editor for local and national newspapers.

7. Capture video and still images of local RP rallies, sign-waving events, etc, and submit it to local news, ideally with a short story to go with it.

8. Identify and talk with local influential people in your community -- pastors, businessmen, etc.

9. Comb your local newspaper for events and groups that might be willing to have someone come and talk with them about RP. Call them up and try to arrange a time to talk with their group.

10. Go to local old-folks homes / communities and ask if it would be OK to walk around and talk with people. Hand out slim-jims, DVDs, etc.

11. Watch for local events like concerts, sports events, etc, where there will be a lot of people in one place. Go and walk-n-talk.

+1

Thank you for the great suggestions. Maybe all
in here are able to come back to the main issue,
which is getting Ron elected and not wasting time
on things that don't assure any success. :)

[Oliver]

*blimp* for additional Ideas how to win NH... :)

[azminuteman]

IOWA does NOT represent the rest of the country!
I.E. I've never even HEARD of a huckabee supporter out here! Iowans are cranky old traditionalists, NH will be a whole different story!

Traditionally, Iowa has been 62% - 75% accurate in determining the nomination for both parties.
New Hampshire has been 25% - 50% accurate in determining the Election winner.

Basically, after NH, it's a coin toss and/or it still doesn't mean anything.



From 1976 to 2000

Won the Primary & Party Nomination- Won the Primary & the Election
Iowa
Democrats 62.5% - 12.5%
Republicans 75% - 37.5%


New Hampshire
Democrats 75% - 25%
Republicans 75% - 50%

[Oliver]

Traditionally, Iowa has been 62% - 75% accurate in determining the nomination for both parties.
New Hampshire has been 25% - 50% accurate in determining the Election winner.

Basically, after NH, it's a coin toss and/or it still doesn't mean anything.

From what I heard about NH so far, they're a pretty independent state,
so I tend to think that Ron does much better than in IOWA - and the
state-polls confirm it. So I keep my fingers crossed for Dr. Paul... :)

[Oliver]

*bump* for more ideas ... :)

[Oliver]

Traditionally, Iowa has been 62% - 75% accurate in determining the nomination for both parties.
New Hampshire has been 25% - 50% accurate in determining the Election winner.

Basically, after NH, it's a coin toss and/or it still doesn't mean anything.

What are you predictions for Ron Paul in New Hampshire? :)

[azminuteman]

What are you predictions for Ron Paul in New Hampshire? :)

I believe that he will get in the top 3.
NH is still just another state.

Gotta remember that IA is just a state and not an indicator of the election. Look at the turnout for the democrats. Initially, I was disappointed but in reflection, it really doesn't matter now. I think the tide will really turn with NV and SC and right now, we're setup for a swell.
I really believe that with strong showings in NV, SC and a likely NH, a contender status will be set.

I believe Wyoming will show better support than IA and that will add to the support.


McCain is who scares me.
I think the order of terrifying candidates to me are:
McCain
Clinton
Guiliani
Huckabee

and to think that this is on the table (defeated 4 times but still, there are executive orders)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-393

[Oliver]

I believe that he will get in the top 3.
NH is still just another state.

Gotta remember that IA is just a state and not an indicator of the election. Look at the turnout for the democrats. Initially, I was disappointed but in reflection, it really doesn't matter now. I think the tide will really turn with NV and SC and right now, we're setup for a swell.
I really believe that with strong showings in NV, SC and a likely NH, a contender status will be set.

I believe Wyoming will show better support than IA and that will add to the support.


McCain is who scares me.
I think the order of terrifying candidates to me are:
McCain
Clinton
Guiliani
Huckabee

and to think that this is on the table (defeated 4 times but still, there are executive orders)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-393

Well, personally Bullyani is more frightening in terms of his political
attitude - but so far he isn't that dangerous for Dr. Paul. At least
McCain knows that torture is wrong - but his 100 years comment
certainly was as dumb as it was economically unrealistic and immoral.

But let's see how Wyoming goes.