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SeekLiberty
07-15-2007, 09:55 AM
(Please go to the link below for more follow-up references embeded within the article. - SL)

No Doubting Ron Paul's Warning Of Staged Provocation

Debunkers question accuracy of previous article but presidential candidate had spoken in Congress about staged Gulf of Tonkin style provocation

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/140707nodoubting.htm

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Saturday, July 14, 2007

Debunkers and even some of our own readers have questioned the validity of an article we put out yesterday in which Ron Paul warned of the U.S. being in "great danger" of a staged provocation that would grease the skids for the bombing of Iran, but the Congressman made similar statements in a speech before Congress back in January.

"I listened to the show yesterday and I don't believe that's exactly what Ron Paul said," was a typical response.

Listen to the MP3. (http://prisonplanet.com/audio/130707paul.mp3) This is the question that Alex Jones asked the Congressman.

"Congressman, just out of the gates, Cindy Sheehan on my show yesterday went further than anybody's ever gone, she said 'distinct chance of staged terror attack' or the government allowing that to happen, Bush is saying he doesn't care what the people want, the war will continue, they've set up the Military Commissions Act, they've set up the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, he's signed PDD 51 making himself literally dictator, he gave himself that power - how much danger are we in now with Homeland Security head feeling in his gut we're about to be hit, Republican memos saying they need terror attacks, they need Al-Qaeda to hit us to be able to continue the war, top military strategists saying it - how much danger are we in of some new Gulf of Tonkin provocation?"

"Well, I think we're in great danger of it," responded Ron Paul.

The Congressman agrees with the question, that the U.S. is in danger of a staged "Gulf of Tonkin provocation", as is cited in the question. How anyone can infer anything different from this exchange is puzzling.

Ron Paul has appeared on The Alex Jones Show dozens of times and is fully aware of Alex's style and in what context the question was set.

Though the Neo-Con spin machine has gone into overdrive, lying in claiming that Ron Paul is a "9/11 truther", when in actual fact he has never commented in such a context, the Congressman is talking about events in the future, not in the past.

The main drive of the question is about the advance of martial law, a subject that even Barbara Boxer on the left has addressed this week (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/130707_a_boxer.htm), and Ron Paul has also regularly warned of the increasing danger of dictatorship.

Is claiming that Saddam Hussein has doomsday weapons that can be delivered in 45 minutes staged terror? Is claiming that Iraq possessed mobile biological weapons trucks staged terror? Both are inventions of nightmares that were unleashed upon the American people to elicit fear and support for a political agenda, and this was the context of the discussion.

The August 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident, where US warships were apparently attacked by North Vietnamese PT Boats, was cited by President Johnson as a legitimate provocation mandating U.S. escalation in Vietnam, yet Tonkin was a staged charade that never took place. Declassified LBJ presidential tapes discuss how to spin the non-event to escalate it as justification for air strikes and the NSA faked intelligence data to make it appear as if two US ships had been lost. Tonkin was the ultimate example of staged terror or a staged provocation.

Indeed Ron Paul warned of the danger of a staged provocation on the floor of Congress back in January, when he spoke of his concern about "A contrived Gulf of Tonkin- type incident may occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran."

Watch the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRB3UBz1KEQ

Here's the full speech archived on Ron Paul's Congressional website.

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2007/cr011107.htm

With former Republican Senators, top military analysts and even GOP memos all having recently invited a new terror attack or provocation to save a doomed foreign policy, the realization that a false-flag event may occur is not some rabid fantasy of a group of tin-foil hat wearing schizophrenics, as AOL have tried to spin it in an article today (http://news.aol.com/elections-blog/2007/07/13/ron-paul-conspiracy-theorist), it's a political reality that many, including Congressman Ron Paul, fully accept and feel compelled to warn about.


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Kregener
07-15-2007, 10:35 AM
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johnrocks
07-15-2007, 10:41 AM
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What color is "Gut Feeling":D

SeekLiberty
07-15-2007, 11:54 AM
Awesome Homeland Security graphic! :D

Our "Homeland Security" Rights Risk is clearly in the RED ZONE.

It's quite sobering to think a staged provocation could very well end any election campaign. This is a clear and present danger to WE THE PEOPLE.

The question I ask is; "What can WE THE PEOPLE people do about this clear and present danger right now BEFORE this can happen?"

What are some ACTION plans? Any suggestions?

The only correct, Constitutional Homeland Security plan I've seen is written in this new manual for every American. It's called ...

Constitutional Homeland Security: A Call for Americans to Revitalize the Militia of the Several States. Volume I, The Nation in Arms [UNABRIDGED]
by Edwin Vieira (Author)

http://www.amazon.com/Constitutional-Homeland-Security-Americans-Revitalize/dp/0967175925/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-8267830-3940011?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184521531&sr=8-1

Does anybody have any other plan they'd like to suggest for real Constitutional Homeland Security?

IMO, it behooves us that we better be thinking about this HARD, FAST and now.

Isn't this a deadly serious WE THE PEOPLE emergency? We may not have that much time to discuss an action plan so it makes sense to start discussing it now while we can.

- SL

The opinions and articles expressed and posted on these Ron Paul Forums are not necessarily the opinions expressed by the Ron Paul Forums or Ron Paul.

SeanEdwards
07-15-2007, 01:23 PM
Alex Jones is a manipulative self-absorbed asshole, and it's crap like this that has the best chance of derailing Paul's campaign.

winston84
07-15-2007, 07:47 PM
There is a difference between a PROVOCATION and STAGED TERROR. Ron Paul did not concur with the later, so don't put words in his mouth to further your agenda.

"How much danger are we in of some new Gulf of Tonkin PROVOCATION?"

"Well, I think we're in great danger of it," responded Ron Paul.

I've been a regular InfoWars.com reader for years, but as of late I've been displeased with the abundance of sensationalism expounded by you. The Prison Planet network not only risks losing intelligent well-read fans, but the trust of honest and rare decision makers such as Ron Paul.

Bradley in DC
07-15-2007, 07:50 PM
This misinformation was clearly refuted in the NR article.

http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=7311

SeekLiberty
07-16-2007, 12:48 AM
I find it woefully glib and negligent that some seem to miss the point that we are in major danger of sliding into a "military dictatorship" as Ron Paul has said.

"The American Republic is in remnant status. The stage is set for our country eventually devolving into a military dictatorship, and few seem to care. - Ron Paul, May 22, 2007 Before the U.S. House of Representatives

I see the wrong emphasis of concern and lack of care about what WE THE PEOPLE can do right now about devolving into a "military dictatorship."

Ron is right, "few seem to care" as I see the discussion ignore this possibility and neglect to discuss solutions for it.

Dissent is good. Dissent is patriotic. Standing up with personal integrity in spite of the ostracism is GOOD. Questioning is good.

What are the honest odds of Ron Paul winning this election? What if there is no election? What if the election is rigged (again). What if there is an "event" this summer which puts Americans back into a state of irrational shivering terror like 9/11 did?

What do we do? What's WE THE PEOPLE's back-up action plan?

Why aren't these questions addressed? Should we gleefullly not think about it?

Or do we face the hard questions head on like men should?

"the true patriot is the one who protests in spite of the consequences. Condemnation or ostracism or even imprisonment may result." - Ron Paul

Boy have I ever felt ostracised for speaking out my opinion by a few. Everybody else's opinion is correct, right? :rolleyes: Some even go as far as assigning to me what others have said. It goes to a point of irrationality and against actual rational discussion of the issue.

I think some people here need to read/listen or re-read/re-listen Ron Paul's speech on "Patriotism" and find out the seriousness of the burgeoning catastrophy were in, and what is a true patriot, and what do they do?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul388.html

Can somebody put the care in what they write like what I try to do? Or are they too lazy to try to make themselves clear? It would be refreshing instead of reading short bursts of criticism with no credible, specific backing with sources. Worse yet, is to see criticism that completely misses the serious point.

Again, I challenge everybody to debate rationally and effectively. http://www.truthtree.com/debates.shtml

- SL

The opinions and articles expressed and posted on these Ron Paul Forums are not necessarily the opinions expressed by the Ron Paul Forums or Ron Paul.

winston84
07-16-2007, 02:51 AM
Can somebody put the care in what they write like what I try to do? Or are they too lazy to try to make themselves clear? It would be refreshing instead of reading short bursts of criticism with no credible, specific backing with sources. Worse yet, is to see criticism that completely misses the serious point.

LOL... Did you not see my post and listen to the audio yourself or are you too busy posing in the mirror? Why can't you address the issue at hand instead of making generalizations. Its real simple...


There is a difference between a PROVOCATION and STAGED TERROR. Ron Paul did not concur with the later, so don't put words in his mouth to further your agenda.

"How much danger are we in of some new Gulf of Tonkin PROVOCATION?"

"Well, I think we're in great danger of it," responded Ron Paul.

Yes I understand the point about "sliding into a military dictatorship" and that its really just the difference between two means with the same end. Although, as far as how a military dictatorship would be able to occur, according to Ron Paul will not involve staged terror (as of this writing). To voters this distinction matters, because a candidate that believes staged terror can occur in the future would be more inclined to think that 9/11 was also a staged terror event. It is hard enough for many people to accept the concept of provocation in itself, but people like you can't get that through their thick narcissistic skulls.

Alex Jones crossed the line and instead of reporting the news, he manufactured it.