Question for International Ron Paul supporters

[Chase]

One of the remarkable things I've noticed in these forums is that there are a lot of international Ron Paul supporters. I can imagine someone from another country learning a bit about US politics and hearing of a person they agree with, but I have to admit that I'm surprised when I see someone outside of the US participating in the campaign. It's *great* to have you guys, but I'm just curious, why do you do it?

[chiplitfam]

For the same reasons we are doing it. To help inspire their own countries.

[maxmerkel]

to have a refuge when socialism becomes too oppressive over here

[JoBurke]

have you thught about the fact that there are thousands of us that simply live oversees? we love Dr. Paul and his message too!

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[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I think most of our international supporters like Ron because he is anti-war, but I doubt they really understand or like his libertarian message, since Europeans tend to be socialist-leaning. I'm sure there are exceptions to this, however.

[jake]

One of the remarkable things I've noticed in these forums is that there are a lot of international Ron Paul supporters. I can imagine someone from another country learning a bit about US politics and hearing of a person they agree with, but I have to admit that I'm surprised when I see someone outside of the US participating in the campaign. It's *great* to have you guys, but I'm just curious, why do you do it?

I'm a business owner from Canada and these are my top 3 reasons:

1) tired of the foreign policy of the USA policing and bullying
2) as a business owner who sells primarily to the USA, we need a strong economy south of the border www.shopsharksystems.com
3) general interest in politics and the effects of the internet on the vote

[Ozwest]

I'm an X-Yank of 23 years, with 16 family members in the U.S.

I love America and Australia, and want peace and prosperity for the world.

[querty]

Mostly because he's a libertarian but I also think it would influence people and shift opinions over here (most Swedish people believe that all republicans = neocons and warmongerers).

[querty]

Mostly because he's a libertarian but I also think it would influence people and shift opinions over here (most Swedish people believe that all republicans = neocons and warmongerers).

It's also thrilling to see a politician who you agree with on almost every single thing (abortion is the exception).

[Hawkwing]

Im a Swedish medical student and libertarian that hopes to be able to work in the US later on. Ron Paul would be so great to have as president. In Sweden noone talks about liberty, everyone has just accepted the welfare state and the only debate is about how much the government should pay people that doesnt work and for the moment something about banning fireworks.

Ron Paul was btw called a house elf in my local paper today. Probably the first and only mention. :rolleyes:

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[stefans]

to have a refuge when socialism becomes too oppressive over here

+1

ever heard of the EU?
other continents are the only option if this continues.

[GHoeberX]

I think most of our international supporters like Ron because he is anti-war, but I doubt they really understand or like his libertarian message, since Europeans tend to be socialist-leaning. I'm sure there are exceptions to this, however.

I'm quite sure I understand the full message :) Every Ron Paul supporter (outside the US or not) has its own reason to support Ron Paul. Some as you say are anti-war and like for example Gravel as well; but I'm a convinced libertarian.

I was once asked by someone from Lewrockwell.com, to explain my point of view, which I did:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/017754.html

When explaining, I prefer to keep it simple, but to go more in depth, every boy or girl is being taught nowadays how fantastic democracy is and how much we should expand it over the rest of the world. But one could argue that democracy is 'the dictature of the majority'. The bigger the government, the more the majority can decide over a minority.

Now I'm close to start writing huge posts about smaller government etc. but I think I made my point already.

[mkpdavies]

I am a British Ron Paul supporter, but I have always loved America.

Bush almost made me change all that, but I realise it isn't the people's fault, as we get exactly the same sheep hearding techniques here in Britain.

Well I say Britain, but really we are now just a slave state to the EU. They infiltrated our political class a long time ago, just like the Neocons did yours.

The reality is we are now in a global war for freedom. There are a number of key battles going on across the world. One all freedom loving people should be doing their bit for.

Destroying the European Union is our primary focus, but it is a battle we are taking a beating on at the moment. Not enough people have woken up and got a whiff of the coffee here yet. Sure most British people dislike the EU, but they don't realise that the three main poilitcal parties are bought and paid for. For now we are treading water on this front.


You guys in the States have a golden opportunity though. You have got what we haven't. A true standard bearer. A man with integrity, principle and a record to back it up. If you guys (with support from us) can pull off a grassroots revolution, then the odds start looking better for the rest of us.

Of course, if you do pull it off, people like me will hope you will remember our support and help us in our key battles which will come not long after!

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I'm quite sure I understand the full message :) Every Ron Paul supporter (outside the US or not) has its own reason to support Ron Paul. Some as you say are anti-war and like for example Gravel as well; but I'm a convinced libertarian.

I was once asked by someone from Lewrockwell.com, to explain my point of view, which I did:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/017754.html

When explaining, I prefer to keep it simple, but to go more in depth, every boy or girl is being taught nowadays how fantastic democracy is and how much we should expand it over the rest of the world. But one could argue that democracy is 'the dictature of the majority'. The bigger the government, the more the majority can decide over a minority.

Now I'm close to start writing huge posts about smaller government etc. but I think I made my point already.


I was mainly talking about the casual support for Paul overseas. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are really down with the full message, but it's easy to understand why his war message alone would be enough for a lot of international people. :)

[scooter]

I have relatives in Germany and the message I get is that most of the populous over there hates the EU and the European style of socialism, but these things have already been forced upon them.

The USA is really the last stand for the idea of liberty, so I can see why foreigners support it whole-heartedly. All of my relatives certainly do.

I'll make this promise. If we can squash this with the Ron Paul movement here, I will 100% support any such movement by European citizens.

[mbrebstock]

I think most of our international supporters like Ron because he is anti-war, but I doubt they really understand or like his libertarian message, since Europeans tend to be socialist-leaning. I'm sure there are exceptions to this, however.

i'm from germany and i think i understand his libertarian message :)

and i like him because he is anti war - but i was not anti war before i have heard about ron paul.

[werdd]

I am a British Ron Paul supporter, but I have always loved America.

Bush almost made me change all that, but I realise it isn't the people's fault, as we get exactly the same sheep hearding techniques here in Britain.

Well I say Britain, but really we are now just a slave state to the EU. They infiltrated our political class a long time ago, just like the Neocons did yours.

The reality is we are now in a global war for freedom. There are a number of key battles going on across the world. One all freedom loving people should be doing their bit for.

Destroying the European Union is our primary focus, but it is a battle we are taking a beating on at the moment. Not enough people have woken up and got a whiff of the coffee here yet. Sure most British people dislike the EU, but they don't realise that the three main poilitcal parties are bought and paid for. For now we are treading water on this front.


You guys in the States have a golden opportunity though. You have got what we haven't. A true standard bearer. A man with integrity, principle and a record to back it up. If you guys (with support from us) can pull off a grassroots revolution, then the odds start looking better for the rest of us.

Of course, if you do pull it off, people like me will hope you will remember our support and help us in our key battles which will come not long after!

+500000

[mbrebstock]

I was mainly talking about the casual support for Paul overseas. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are really down with the full message, but it's easy to understand why his war message alone would be enough for a lot of international people. :)

yes but since there is no media coverage in america for ron paul there is much less coverage in germany

-> only a few germans know that there exists a ron paul and i think almost every german ron paul supporter is down with his message - i think there is no casual support - at least in germany.

[PatriotOne]

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[Voluntaryist]

The reality is we are now in a global war for freedom.


++++++++++++++++++++1

The global war on terror is a lie. It really is a global war on freedom, and we are LOSING IT. Well, come tomorrow, we may shift the tide of war for the better.

Lets hope so.

[gang]

I think most of our international supporters like Ron because he is anti-war, but I doubt they really understand or like his libertarian message, since Europeans tend to be socialist-leaning. I'm sure there are exceptions to this, however.

What else.
And some might doubt most Americans really understand or like his message, since they tend to be warmongering Neocons. But I'm sure there are exceptions, too. :p

[kill the banks]

One of the remarkable things I've noticed in these forums is that there are a lot of international Ron Paul supporters. I can imagine someone from another country learning a bit about US politics and hearing of a person they agree with, but I have to admit that I'm surprised when I see someone outside of the US participating in the campaign. It's *great* to have you guys, but I'm just curious, why do you do it?

frankly we learned more american history than canadian up here in my day

kill the banks

[Broadlighter]

I'm an American living in California.

I think the international support for Ron Paul has something to do with:

"Friendship and commerce with all nations. Entangling alliances with none." -T. Jefferson

People like having neighbors who are friendly, respectful and mind their own business. Ron Paul embodies that more than any other presidential candidate.

The Neo-cons and Capitalist Progressives would have us believe that's isolationism and the only way to be non-isolationist is to meddle in the affairs of other nations and promote aggressive pre-emptive wars. People are people and when they examine the facts carefully, they see through the B.S. and the ability to see through the B.S. is not exclusive to any one nationality.

[ProBlue33]

As Ron Paul himself has said many times, America is empire building, not only do Americans want this to stop so do other people in the world, this is why they are pulling for him.

American foreign policy sucks right now, and has since Korea, making "blowback" real.

Ron Paul will do his very best to end this stupidity, and people of the world will work with him too, because they know what he is trying to do, is pull back American interferance.

[Richard]

New Zealand is free ..... we look after our poor....its not bad.

We see america as simply telling us how to be....re nuclear re if you dont do what we want we will harm you economically.

Down with big bully brother, down with decisions based totally on money...up with conditions where people can be free to be who they want themselves to be

[JohnM]

The reality is we are now in a global war for freedom. There are a number of key battles going on across the world. One all freedom loving people should be doing their bit for.

If you guys (with support from us) can pull off a grassroots revolution, then the odds start looking better for the rest of us.


Exactly. If the US was to move in a dramatically libertarian direction, then the rest of the world would sit up and take notice, and people in the UK and Europe might start questioning the big government welfare state mentality that exists over here.



You guys in the States have a golden opportunity though. You have got what we haven't. A true standard bearer. A man with integrity, principle and a record to back it up.



You're not thinking of Nigel Farage, are you? :D

[gang]

As Ron Paul himself has said many times, America is empire building, not only do Americans want this to stop so do other people in the world, this is why they are pulling for him.



At least that's not my reason.
Personally I have no problem with US soldiers stationed in Germany. I have never seen America as a threat, but as an inspiration.
Your country once was founded on the greates ideas in mankind's history. These ideas were viable 250 years ago and they are still today.
I wanna live as a free man, not as the slave that I was born in former communist East-Europe. But the idea of liberty will only survive, when it's upheld and lived in all our western countries.

[raiha]

I'm a New Zealander through and through (apart from the Australian half)

Watching the US develop gradually into a Police state....soon to be a global camp..
The Machiavellian machinations of sociopaths murdering people with impunity is reason for me.
That includes the wars, the bringing to power of petty dictators and arming them so they can murder their own people, and the CIA orchestrated assassinations of peole like Allende so the Chileans could have Pinochet.
Guantanamo Bay where you have 80 year olds lying in their own feces and incarcerated children.
"Enhanced interrogation techniques."
The collapse of civil liberties.
The insistence your government has of dragging the rest of the world into a depression.
Oh and the lunatics have an armoury of 5700 operable nuclear weapons.
Your corporations degrade the world: General Electric; Dupont; Boeing; etc ad nauseum

I have a grandson. I would like him to have grand-children...that is why I am here.

[mbrebstock]

As Ron Paul himself has said many times, America is empire building, not only do Americans want this to stop so do other people in the world, this is why they are pulling for him.

American foreign policy sucks right now, and has since Korea, making "blowback" real.

Ron Paul will do his very best to end this stupidity, and people of the world will work with him too, because they know what he is trying to do, is pull back American interferance.

this is probably not true. i hope there is a huge interference with ron paul as president. of course not direct but if the world sees how great america is doing with ron paul - perhaps other nations want to have a ron paul too!

[RonRules]

We need to spread Dr. Paul's message to the Arab world.

If anybody can translate the videos and the constitution to Arabic, that would be just great.

[Chase]

Wow... thanks for all the responses! I guess freedom is popular :p

[Delain]

I think most of our international supporters like Ron because he is anti-war, but I doubt they really understand or like his libertarian message, since Europeans tend to be socialist-leaning. I'm sure there are exceptions to this, however.

I'm not sure its a matter of understanding but I'll admit it is the one issue I have some reservations about.

I'd rather not go back to the situation we had before the second world war, after which the basic social security was introduced. There was some serious poverty back then. A lower class worker who for any reason was unable to work anymore essentially became a beggar. The same for a lot of people who became to old to work. They had to rely on handouts by family members or the church. Healthcare was largely unavailable for many of the lower class. Same goes for education.

I understand the whole mechanism of social security, taxation, bureaucracy, big government and all the problems it creates, but what’s the alternative? Charity and poorhouses? We've already seen how that turned out.

Personally, I'm still struggling with this one.


One of the remarkable things I've noticed in these forums is that there are a lot of international Ron Paul supporters. I can imagine someone from another country learning a bit about US politics and hearing of a person they agree with, but I have to admit that I'm surprised when I see someone outside of the US participating in the campaign. It's *great* to have you guys, but I'm just curious, why do you do it?

For the change it would bring to the world. In one interview Ron Paul explained his foreign policy and that even the message of a non-intervention policy would instantaneously change the world. I believe that.

The number one reason though is the fight against the globalists. Globalism is a deceptive term here. I love the idea of some sort of peaceful global community. I'm not a anti-globalist. But I am against a global dictatorship where a small self-anointed elite wields the scepter, that is the current form of globalization. It is like going back to ancient times when pharaoh’s and Caesars ruled as god-kings. That new world order is nothing more then the restoration of the old order. I agree with Ron Paul that Freedom is the new idea here. People referring to the Constitution and Bill of Rights as archaic are shills or simply haven’t got a clue. The tyranny we're facing might be wrapped in a new and flashy package, underneath it is still the same old tyranny that has plagued humanity since the dawn of civilization.

Those in power in Europe today are the same bunch. Its a different department but the same company. So it doesn’t matter where we fight them imo, a breach anywhere will weaken the whole wall. And Ron Paul wanting to rid of the Fed, man that’s going straight for the root. Thats were the coup first accured.

I don’t think we have much time left. The control apparatus is nearing completion all over the western world. Ron Paul for me is a glimmer of hope we can still change the tide.

[Carole]

Thank you MKP,

This is a great message, one which if it were made available to all American people/sheeple could help them wake up.

I hope you are speaking out whenever you have anopportunity.

In the meantime, thank you for your support. Perhaps if we here in America can have some success, it will spur the effort abroad to free themselves.

[Paulio]

I think Ron Paul is important because US is the dominant power in the world every way. If US goes one way, the world will follow. If you go in the wrong direction, we suffer too. If you show way to a better life, all the world benefits.

I'm also a long time libertarian etc...

[exemplar]

Even if the size of the US economy is shrinking as the dollar falls, the influence of US politics is felt everywhere. The US is the most important cultural and political symbol in the world today and has been so since the collapse of the USSR.

The Ron Paul position may be viewed as fringe in the US, but here (in Sweden) it's like it doesn't exist. We've had more or less totalitarian governments since the 1600's. First monarchies that were the same thing that the American colonists rebelled against, then a "people's home"-style socialist democracy with ~80% taxes. No one can say that our kind of government "doesn't" work. It keeps people occupied and content.

However, more and more people realize that the system is horribly inefficient when it comes to harnessing the creativity and economic momentum of individuals and small/medium sized companies. The US is way way ahead Europe on that point.

Also, the same people realize that the over-regulation of everything is catastrophically detrimental to happiness in the long run.

In Europe, government is by far the biggest employer and thus the growth of government is seen by most as just job security. As always, the choice of security over liberty is the health of the state!

Of course, my interest in Ron Paul is because of the future of government and that he seems to be an honest politician, so there's also a "man bites dog"-kind of interest.

[Carole]

I can certainly understand the anti-war sentiment of Europeans, but the danger lies in the socialist programs. These are what lead to ever-bigger government and elimination of the middle class. Thus you have the rich, who rule and the poor who serve.

Ron Paul has said socialism is like soft fascism and I agree. It is only one or two philosophies away from totalitarianism and dictatorships.

America now is living in a banana republic; it just isn't called one. It is called a "democracy".
Yet America is actually a republic and was never intended to be a democracy. It is a word as Orwell referred to as "doublespeak" and is tossed around casually as though it were something to be envied and to which all countries should aspire.

So is it any wonder that the globalists throw out the red herring of democracy and try to force it upon the rest of the world in order to advance its agenda?

The libertarian is, I believe, a stricter, or rather freer, interpretation of original Republican thinking. It requires individuals to abandon the collectivist mentality, to be intelligent and honest enough to take full responsibility for their own lives. It requires the balance between what is good and bad for the country, and the wisdom to recognize the difference.

[Carole]

I'm not sure its a matter of understanding but I'll admit it is the one issue I have some reservations about.

I'd rather not go back to the situation we had before the second world war, after which the basic social security was introduced. There was some serious poverty back then. A lower class worker who for any reason was unable to work anymore essentially became a beggar. The same for a lot of people who became to old to work. They had to rely on handouts by family members or the church. Healthcare was largely unavailable for many of the lower class. Same goes for education.

I understand the whole mechanism of social security, taxation, bureaucracy, big government and all the problems it creates, but what’s the alternative? Charity and poorhouses? We've already seen how that turned out.

Personally, I'm still struggling with this one.


For the change it would bring to the world. In one interview Ron Paul explained his foreign policy and that even the message of a non-intervention policy would instantaneously change the world. I believe that.

The number one reason though is the fight against the globalists. Globalism is a deceptive term here. I love the idea of some sort of peaceful global community. I'm not a anti-globalist. But I am against a global dictatorship where a small self-anointed elite wields the scepter, that is the current form of globalization. It is like going back to ancient times when pharaoh’s and Caesars ruled as god-kings. That new world order is nothing more then the restoration of the old order. I agree with Ron Paul that Freedom is the new idea here. People referring to the Constitution and Bill of Rights as archaic are shills or simply haven’t got a clue. The tyranny we're facing might be wrapped in a new and flashy package, underneath it is still the same old tyranny that has plagued humanity since the dawn of civilization.

Those in power in Europe today are the same bunch. Its a different department but the same company. So it doesn’t matter where we fight them imo, a breach anywhere will weaken the whole wall. And Ron Paul wanting to rid of the Fed, man that’s going straight for the root. Thats were the coup first accured.

I don’t think we have much time left. The control apparatus is nearing completion all over the western world. Ron Paul for me is a glimmer of hope we can still change the tide.


Nicely said. I very much agree with you. I was so saddened when I saw that the EU thing was advancing toward reality in Europe. I despared that the people had somehow been overwhelmed with that entity. It was surly a sign that we would be next. Even now our "decider" is forging ahead with the Middle East Union.
:mad:

[Carole]

+10000000000000 :d

[Carole]

I'm an American living in California.

I think the international support for Ron Paul has something to do with:

"Friendship and commerce with all nations. Entangling alliances with none." -T. Jefferson

People like having neighbors who are friendly, respectful and mind their own business. Ron Paul embodies that more than any other presidential candidate.

The Neo-cons and Capitalist Progressives would have us believe that's isolationism and the only way to be non-isolationist is to meddle in the affairs of other nations and promote aggressive pre-emptive wars. People are people and when they examine the facts carefully, they see through the B.S. and the ability to see through the B.S. is not exclusive to any one nationality.

Well said.

"The Neo-cons and Capitalist Progressives would have us believe that's isolationism and the only way to be non-isolationist is to meddle in the affairs of other nations and promote aggressive pre-emptive wars."

This is precisely what has caused the present isolationism that is America today.
Those who call Dr. Paul an isolationist are themselves the real isolationalists for just such policies which infringe in the worst way upon the rights of others. Of course, we are hated for such interference and rightly so.

[Carole]

Amazing!! I loved reading all these responses. Each one of you has offered something useful and of value. I could hardly contain my enthusiasm. :D

Imagine if there were no big governments. The whole world would prosper and likely get along with one another very well. It all comes down to the simplest of solutions, just as Dr. Paul is advocating.

[Sey.Naci]

Because I'm tired of US bullying and tired of Big Government (read 'Big Brother') here in Canada. And was saddened by how swamped Americans were becoming by bad media; from this side of the border, the propaganda machine was so very apparent.

Witnessing and, in my own small way, contributing to the Ron Paul Revolution has been inspiring. For example, I recently checked out and contacted the Libertarian Party of Canada. Ironically, I learned that one of my ethics profs from back in the early 90s is a current Director of the LPC. It was through him that I first learned about libertarianism. Since I'd read and been enthralled by Atlas Shrugged about a decade previously, discovering libertarianism was like coming home.

So, having become bored and disgusted with Canadian politics, I found myself turning to the south for something more stimulating. And lo and behold, what did I see? The Ron Paul Revolution!!

[Liberty Star]

I have a hunch, for the same reasons we do and sometimes with a marriage of global and regional concerns.


Three global graphs, polls posted in this thread may help answer it too:

World will love America if Ron Paul became President

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=70897