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JohnM
01-02-2008, 11:09 AM
Something I'm curious about.

Do people despise Fox because Fox is biased, or because Fox is biased against Dr Paul?

Or, to put it another way, would you love Fox if they bent over backwards to be positive about Ron Paul while discriminating shamelessly against (for example) Mitt Romney?

Rebel Resource
01-02-2008, 11:10 AM
Biased against anything except neoconnism.

RoyalShock
01-02-2008, 11:13 AM
Speaking only for myself, I once bought their "fair and balanced" line when I was convinced that the other news media was biased toward the left/Dems.

I'm now at a point where I no longer respect ANY of the news organizations because they are all pundits who attempt to inject their opinion and spin into the news.

If Fox were shills for Dr. Paul, I would not respect them any more than I do now, which is very little. I like it any time Paul gets some airtime, but it needs to be balanced with all candidates.

OptionsTrader
01-02-2008, 11:15 AM
Something I'm curious about.

Do people despise Fox because Fox is biased, or because Fox is biased against Dr Paul?

Or, to put it another way, would you love Fox if they bent over backwards to be positive about Ron Paul while discriminating shamelessly against (for example) Mitt Romney?

Fox is despised because a free press, free of government influence and free of promoting government propaganda, is a necessity in a free country. Fox betrays this.

"The most effectual engines for [pacifying a nation] are the public papers... [A despotic] government always [keeps] a kind of standing army of newswriters who, without any regard to truth or to what should be like truth, [invent] and put into the papers whatever might serve the ministers. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper." --Thomas Jefferson to G. K. van Hogendorp, Oct. 13, 1785. (*) ME 5:181, Papers 8:632

fuzzybekool
01-02-2008, 11:16 AM
I have always thought FOX NEWS was nothing more than a prapoganda network, but I would watch for grins and laughs.

Now That Ron Paul has walked into my life. I hate FOX with a passion unbecoming a civilized human being and would rejoice in its downfall.

Sandra
01-02-2008, 11:16 AM
FOX's news is similar to their reality and animated programs, for entertainment only.

dspectre
01-02-2008, 11:22 AM
My personal opinion, I look at Fox as another flavor of the old media. I think they have a tendency to really annoy a certain demographic, since they are very aggressive and blatant, but in my opinion the other outlets are more insidious and subversive.

To me the old media is all the same.

Melissa
01-02-2008, 11:24 AM
I have never even wanted to be on the republican side so I have always hated Fox but now that I am embracing true Republican idea I hate fox even more because the don't even embrace one of their own.

Spirit of '76
01-02-2008, 11:42 AM
I despise Fox News because aside from constantly repeating the patently untrue mantra "Fair and Balanced! Fair and Balanced!" they don't even make a pretense at journalistic integrity.

They are simply a propaganda organ of the state.

WilliamC
01-02-2008, 11:43 AM
Kent Snyder just said campaign encourages people to contact Fox News about the forum!

Kregener
01-02-2008, 11:44 AM
I despised Faux Snooze WAY before these elections began.

Right after 9/11 in fact.

patriotveteran
01-02-2008, 11:45 AM
Personally I despise them because they are supposed to report the NEWS - not decide what our democracy should look like

Fox has incredible bias in thier reporting and has tried to turn information into entertainment -- they have been so bad that they've dragged down other newscasters to the point that American media in general is a joke

Fox shamelessly promotes the Iraq War - one of the worst things for this country in history - they simply decided that they didnt want Ron Paul's message heard




Something I'm curious about.

Do people despise Fox because Fox is biased, or because Fox is biased against Dr Paul?

Or, to put it another way, would you love Fox if they bent over backwards to be positive about Ron Paul while discriminating shamelessly against (for example) Mitt Romney?

Original_Intent
01-02-2008, 11:50 AM
There used to be a cable news channel run by Paul Weyrich that was awesome. Unfortunately it became too popular and was bought out and dismantled.

Before I watched them, I thought Fox was somewhat fair and balanced, or at least a counter to the predominantly leftist media. Turns out not to be the case - while other networks may have a left leaning bias, they still pretty much keep it honest, just from a left perspective. Fox on the other hand are out and out liars, propagandists, and traitors.

jcbraithwaite7
01-02-2008, 11:56 AM
Watch Outfoxed Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428

I used to be a brainwashed Neo-con who loved OReilly, Rush, Hannity etc. This was an eye opener for me. I remember thinking "Oh please don't let John Kerry become president!" I don't think he would have been much better but after watching Outfoxed I realize how I bought the crap they were offering. No more. I see what is going on. I know they are waiting for Ron Paul's "Dean Scream" and are trying to swiftboat him. The internet is the last domain for free speech.

The entire system is broken. I feel like I have been politically punked. Fox News is propaganda and so are the rest of the channels. You can see Tucker and Joe Scarborough's tongues have been cut out. Mika acts like the gestapo spy that kicks him under the table when he gets a bit riled up. They send them away when they want to interview Ron Paul... the whole thing is so obvious now. I'm wide awake and can't go back to sleep.

LynnB
01-02-2008, 11:59 AM
I especially despise the idea that Fox calls itself news when it is clearly biased and opinionated. They masquerade big brother propaganda in the form of blonde/brunette bimbo-du-jour as do the other networks. It is sad to have to turn to the BBC or other offshore news agencies to get the real facts on what is happening in our own country.
All of the major networks are owned by a handful of entities and now this!--

"January 1, 2008, Greencastle, Ind. - "The Federal Communications Commission's (FCC) Dec. 18 decision to 'relax' media ownership rules opens the door to a new wave of consolidation that will further erode the quality of U.S. news media," declares Kevin Howley, associate professor of communication at DePauw University. Writing in the latest issue of the Bloomington Alternative, Dr. Howley argues that the ruling "comes at an enormous price to the public interest." Story link (http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=20652) and AP article -- http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hlYj9ojD7umgLJiTK_I0DfwU50iAD8TO41Q81

OptionsTrader
01-02-2008, 12:03 PM
Historians in 2084 will have a field day with Fox.

pacelli
01-02-2008, 12:10 PM
Something I'm curious about.

Do people despise Fox because Fox is biased, or because Fox is biased against Dr Paul?

Or, to put it another way, would you love Fox if they bent over backwards to be positive about Ron Paul while discriminating shamelessly against (for example) Mitt Romney?

Biased is an understatement. I despise Fox because they have always peddled non-issues as "Breaking News", and generally show a complete lack of respect toward people in general. Endorsing a narcissistic sexual deviant like Bill O'Reilly who calls his viewers "kool-aid drinkers" and labels people as "pinheads" - this isn't NEWS. Then there is Sean Hannity, a neocon bully who has to push people around on his show in order to feel better about his pathetically small and shrinking .... ratings.


Prior to Fox, I've never seen a News network put up with pundit HACKS who interrupt people being interviewed, yell at guests, engage in name-calling, and yet claim to be a conservative network. Your network is an embarrassment to humanity, and if you had your way, you would make America look like Nazi Germany. Well, we're not buying. Thank you, please drive through.

You are a bloody news network, and over the years you have proven to me that you have ZERO journalistic integrity. But that really doesn't matter, because you have your loyal white house embeds and all of your sponsors, many of who are CIA fronts.

What Fox has done to Dr. Paul is the final event in a long chain of frustrations with this network. A network that claims to honor veterans -- but you end up treating veterans just like many VA hospitals do-- you use them and then throw them away.

Fox News is a black mark on American history. Your network is a shameful disgrace.

azminuteman
01-02-2008, 12:16 PM
They lie. That's a problem I have with them.

'Fair and Balanced' isn't.
'You decide 2008' is more like 'We decide 2008'

That has nothing to do with Dr. Paul.

The Ron Paul omission is just galvanizing like WOW, fair and balanced, are you kidding me?!.
Their pundits have educated credentials but are un or ill educated on facts.

The news they present is more sensationalism than news reporting.

This is the network that brought "Who wants to marry a millionaire" to the masses.

loupeznik
01-02-2008, 12:18 PM
"Why does Faux despise Ron Paul?" is a better question.

OptionsTrader
01-02-2008, 12:40 PM
A great comment by some guy named Richard Wicks (http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/01/fox-news-decision-to-exclude.html)

I would just like to point out that 70% of the US population is online, on the Internet.

See?

http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats2.htm

And if Paul is doing so well with 70% of the population, how is he doing so poorly with 100% which is supposedly represented by telephone polls?

I am curious as to why anybody would believe a media that has led us to war over weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist, claimed the binLaden was working with Hussein, was touting the "new economy" in 2000 and urging everybody to "buy at the dips" until 2002, and told us to capitulate in 2003, AND was poo poohing the idea of a housing bubble in 2005.

Captain Obvious says that the US media is no longer any more reliable than Pravda was.

I'd also like to point out that we have a "mainstream media" that spends more time reporting on Britney Spears' sister being pregnant, than it does covering salient news, and this same "media" is also saying there just isn't enough time and space to report on "3rd party candidates".

Just how much of a joke does this have to get before people stop laughing? It's not funny to see CNN World news in France report on COMPLETELY different topics than CNN World news in the US does.

Anybody that's traveled outside of this nation knows we don't have a functioning media at this point. It's not just FOX - it's every "news" outlet. We don't have a news media at all. We have the Internet, that's your only possibility to find out what is actually going on.

Live_Free_Or_Die
01-02-2008, 12:53 PM
nt

fj45lvr
01-02-2008, 12:57 PM
All the networks are the same in my opinion when they have sold out to reporting on the things like anna nicole and britney spears....

Fox has some just plain offensive commentators that shout over rational people stating things which really torques me (its fine if you agree with their point of view but how grating is it when they defend the WRONG ideas by talking over someone else and CUTTING THEM OFF

Demagogues and BAGHDAD Bobs= MSM

parke
01-02-2008, 01:01 PM
Have you been living on Mars? FOX is a piece of siht. Biases to no end.. propping up talking heads that cheerlead. Cavuto is the only person Ive seen that seems modestly reasonable.. and maybe Colmes.

Regardless, Id like to see FOX out of business.

Now I understand what Thomas Jefferson said.. 'The only honest information in newspapers comes from its advertisers.'

Cleaner44
01-02-2008, 01:04 PM
I hate FOX because it is a propoganda machine and not a legitamate news resource. It not only is useless, it is harmful. They really don't bother to even hide the fact that they are propoganda.

DAFTEK
01-02-2008, 01:08 PM
Biased against anything except neoconnism.

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Quick
01-02-2008, 01:12 PM
I've hated Fox News even before Ron Paul. They are bias and are just a big propaganda machine.

rockwell
01-02-2008, 01:17 PM
I despise all media, but since you want to be specific.

It's like marrying a seemingly chaste woman only to find out that she's a full-time hooker, not exactly the recipe for a long and meaningful relationship.

"News" is supposed to be information. Yes, of course it can be sympathetic to a perspective or slanted towards the political leaning of it's editor/publisher, but when it's complete lies or pure censorship, then it isn't news anymore, it's propaganda and that's what Fox is.

Thumper
01-02-2008, 01:20 PM
Speaking only for myself, I once bought their "fair and balanced" line when I was convinced that the other news media was biased toward the left/Dems.

I'm now at a point where I no longer respect ANY of the news organizations because they are all pundits who attempt to inject their opinion and spin into the news.

If Fox were shills for Dr. Paul, I would not respect them any more than I do now, which is very little. I like it any time Paul gets some airtime, but it needs to be balanced with all candidates.


Same for me. At this point I can't stand ANY of the MSM outlets. There is no such thing as "objective" reporting anymore. It doesn't matter what the subject of the report is, I always have to listen to some jackass reporter's opinion about everything instead of them delivering the "facts".

That being said, on FOX I will watch Cavuto, and I think Britt Hume still has some integrity.

VoluntaryMan
01-02-2008, 01:23 PM
EVERYONE is biased. SOME pretend to be unbiased (e.g., "fair and balanced" "we report, you decide"). It's human nature to tolerate those who are biased in our favor (e.g., friends and family), and to oppose those who are biased against us. However, while shameless propagandists for a just cause may be forgiven. Propagandists for the power-hungry, amoral, elites are a tyranny over the minds of man, and worthy of our eternal hostility.

Goldwater Conservative
01-02-2008, 01:35 PM
Fox News is nothing more than pornography for neocons to watch at work.

Watch it non-stop one day if you don't believe me. I hated them even when I was a neocon.

loupeznik
01-02-2008, 01:37 PM
EVERYONE is biased. SOME pretend to be unbiased (e.g., "fair and balanced" "we report, you decide"). It's human nature to tolerate those who are biased in our favor (e.g., friends and family), and to oppose those who are biased against us. However, while shameless propagandists for a just cause may be forgiven. Propagandists for the power-hungry, amoral, elites are a tyranny over the minds of man, and worthy of our eternal hostility.

+1

RonPaulFTFW
01-02-2008, 01:42 PM
If you think fox is news or even remotely worth listening too, i seriously doubt your brain power.

PubliusPublicola
01-02-2008, 01:46 PM
Why Fox deserves some credit: they cover more politics and world affairs than all the other channels combined (who would prefer to do Paris Hilton and human interest crud).

That said...

Fox is and has always been... the single most biased and manipulative news source on television, worse than CBS. They not only are biased, but they are responsible for turning mainstream american news into profit-seeking entertainment over the last 10 years or so.

Fox is the only network that historically directly coordinates with political parties and which also tries to control what local affiliates cover and say.

Kingfisher
01-02-2008, 01:50 PM
January 02, 2008
Newscorp Is a Shill for the Bush Regime
Posted by Lew Rockwell at January 2, 2008 12:10 PM

You only have to watch the FOX chickenhawks cheering ever more Muslim slaughter to know that, but here's an interesting note from a prominent conservative whose book was critical of the regime: " When [title] came out last year, my publicist at [major publisher] was told that orders had come down from on high that I was to get no publicity in any Murdoch outlet. Consequently, my book was not reviewed in their print publications and I did no appearances on Fox. I was told that a calculation had been made that ignoring me would hurt me worse than attacking me. They were right."

Newscorp, you can't get away with this with Ron Paul, of course.

hatefalseweight
01-02-2008, 01:51 PM
Here's my letter to editor on Fox:

Dr. Ron Paul, just raised close to $20 million, Hillary-type money. He has won the majority of local GOP straw polls. He will easily be in the top-five in real elections. Yet, Fox is trying to exclude him from a five-man roundtable. Fishy, no?

Let's look at Fox' Board of Directors for another explanation. Here are some members: Rupert Murdoch, CEO News Corp.; Andrew S.B. Knight of Rothschild Investment Trust , the banking dynasty ; Former Education Secretary Rod Paige; and Viet Dinh Professor of Law, author of the Patriot Act.

A glance at the Communist Manifesto shows that government schools, central banking, and control of communications are several of the basic tenets of collectivism. Fox' Board members are A-list practictioners of this philosophy.
In contrast, Ron Paul' opposes federal control of educaton, and the loss of our freedoms in the Patriot Act. He wants a sound currency based on savings and tangible assets, not debt and thin air.

Moreover, "Republican" propagandist News Corp is a big donor to Hillary. Her top donor is Goldman Sachs, and they throw plenty to Obama and leveraged-buyout king Romney. This is a "Who's Who" list of the housing bubble and dollar destruction, not fair arbiters in an election. Ron Paul's top donors? Individuals from the Armed Forces. I say we exclude Fox - we need Dr. Ron Paul.

statesman
01-02-2008, 01:55 PM
Watch this video...

OutFoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&q=outfoxed&total=300&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

MsDoodahs
01-02-2008, 02:00 PM
Something I'm curious about.

Do people despise Fox because Fox is biased, or because Fox is biased against Dr Paul?

Or, to put it another way, would you love Fox if they bent over backwards to be positive about Ron Paul while discriminating shamelessly against (for example) Mitt Romney?

I have not read the thread yet...

I despise Fox because of their blatant effort to subvert the political process in this country.

I despise the other mainstream media outlets as well, but find Fox the most despicable of the bunch.

MsD

MsDoodahs
01-02-2008, 02:06 PM
Why Fox deserves some credit: they cover more politics and world affairs than all the other channels combined (who would prefer to do Paris Hilton and human interest crud).



That is incorrect. I saw (I think at bravenewfilms.org, not sure now) a study of the time Fox gave to Anna Nichole as opposed to all other so called news channels, and Fox gave VASTLY more coverage to that bullshit than anyone else.

VASTLY more.

JMO
01-02-2008, 02:23 PM
Its hard for me to say if I hate FOX because of their bias or their bias against Paul. The reason is because while I always knew they were a republican voice, I never realized they would go as far as to what they have done to Ron Paul. Since I started supporting Ron Paul my time on FOX has reduced by a large amount, I now watch MNBC and CNN in greater portions than I once did compared to FOX. Two years ago FOX received 95% of my news viewer time, I would say it's now down to 20% and after their exclusion of Ron Paul I will lower that even more.

Sandy
01-02-2008, 02:29 PM
That is incorrect. I saw (I think at bravenewfilms.org, not sure now) a study of the time Fox gave to Anna Nichole as opposed to all other so called news channels, and Fox gave VASTLY more coverage to that bullshit than anyone else.

VASTLY more.

I don't doubt it, I was at my parent's house the other night and Fox was flipped on, and guess who Greta Van Susteran was interviewing? The father of Anna's baby. :rolleyes: I told my mom to shut the darn thing off.

America's MSM is turning into the British tabloids, a bad sign!!! A bad sign for what has happened to many Americans because they tune it to watch this crap!

IndieRocker79
01-02-2008, 03:12 PM
Our country no longer has a free press. It's a bought-and-paid-for-by-advertisers-and-lobbyists press. We simply need to take our press back. How do we do that? By boycotting those corporations which fund these biased news media, boycotting the media themselves, and contributing as best we can to those companies and news sources which are reporting freely, tagging each donation with a note that our money comes only with the promise that they continue to report fairly, non-partisanly, and without influence of lobyists.

Our collective money DOES make a difference. Do you really think these uber-rich megaphones like Murdoch and Turner are putting their own money into this propaganda? No, they barely pay attention to what's being reported until it hurts their pocketbook. When advertisers pull funding because of bad reporting, then the company execs take notice.

You want to really hit Murdoch's pocketbook, let's shut down Myspace in the name of our liberty. I say we organize a massive campaign to boycott Myspace because of it's affiliation with FOX and its inevitable transition into an internet-based propaganda machine (it's already moving that way). I say we all pull accounts and contact Myspace advertisers telling them we're pulling and why. I say we do the same with FOX News sponsers and organize a huge Boycott on FOX and their (non-independent) affiliates, all their sponsers, etc.

Oh, and then you start contacting other media outlets to report on it and get the message spread even further. Spread it online. Get the movement going. Then take all that money you save by not spending money on FOX sponsers and donate it to the Ron Paul campaign! :-D

Anyone with me on this? Let's drive FOX out of business and send a message to the rest of this country that the people mean business!

Andrew-Austin
01-02-2008, 03:31 PM
Speaking only for myself, I once bought their "fair and balanced" line when I was convinced that the other news media was biased toward the left/Dems.

.

I don't understand how so people manage that... Fox is obviously biased themselves. Yes, other networks are biased, but why just shift to an equally horid (if not more horid) source of news?

fireinme
01-02-2008, 04:26 PM
I do not have a TV and I do just fine without one. I never liked TV period.

I only know about FOX because of Youtube.

I HATE COMMERCIALS THUS I HATE FOX

FOX is just one long Neo-Conservative commercial.

tnvoter
01-02-2008, 04:27 PM
Watch this, and it will answer your question about fox news.

and it's entertaining to boot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY-KlYg9UME

JohnM
01-02-2008, 05:05 PM
Watch this, and it will answer your question about fox news.

and it's entertaining to boot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY-KlYg9UME

Very entertaining. So much so that I have watched it several times before. And yes, I was very unimpressed with Hannity, and considered his conduct to be extremely unprofessional.

It does not really ask the question that I was trying to ask, which I admit may not have been phrased as clearly as it should have been, which was basically:

Do you personally (I say 'personally' because Ron Paul supporters are all different) hate bias per se, or do you hate neo-con bias?

If Hannity was a libertarian Paulite, how many people here would enjoy his baiting of Romney, Giuliani, etc?)

IndieRocker79
01-02-2008, 05:19 PM
I personally would hate it. I hate this brand of "entertaining" news. News can be entertaining without it being biased baiting and shoving opinions down our throat. Debates in general are entertaining, and op-ed pieces can be very humorous. There are entertaining things to report in the news as well. The news should always be non-partisan IMO.

News media should be fair, it should be balanced, it should report both sides of every issue, and it should allow its readers/watchers/listeners to form opinions on their own, explore the facts presented, explored the positions of those put on the shows, etc. without being subjected to biased hosts basically telling his/her viewers what to believe by not allowing his/her guests to speak, or by putting words in their mouths.

This is why the constitution gives freedom to the press, to prevent the political establishment from engaging in propaganda. However, it seems that the rich elite have managed to buy off all our major broadcast media and give us only a few versions of propaganda to choose from. The only truly free press that remains is the internet, and the FCC and such want to regulate that as well. The day that happens, you can kiss the rest of your freedoms goodbye, because you won't know what's really going on anywhere anymore, all you'll have is propaganda like FOX news.

So to answer your question, I hate Fox News because it's biased in general; and not just because it's biased but because it's biased BEYOND being filled with biased op-ed pieces that lean in one direction or the other. It's biased to the point that the NEWS ITSELF, the supposed "facts" coming out of the rest of the world are biased and skewed to meet the ideals its owners and sponsors want us to perceive.

Paulitician
01-02-2008, 06:44 PM
All broadcast media is corrupt. Same goes for most print media, most radio media and even a lot of online media (because it mostly parrots the aforementioned media, which mostly parrot government propaganda). It's not even about bias... everyone and every entity should be excpected to have their own bias. That's the way the world works--but outright corruption, manipulation, deception etc. etc., that's what these media corporations stand for if you ask me. All of them are doing a disservice to American and the American people, and it's very intetional and calculated.

MsDoodahs
01-02-2008, 08:13 PM
Anyone with me on this? Let's drive FOX out of business and send a message to the rest of this country that the people mean business!

Oh, yeah. Totally. I've spent several days working to get phone numbers, emails and snail mails for top Marketing executives with as many Fox advertisers as I can. Why flood the just their switchboard when you can flood their EXECUTIVE OFFICES, too. :D

When I get a few more, they're going up here...and elsewhere.

JosephTheLibertarian
01-02-2008, 08:16 PM
Something I'm curious about.

Do people despise Fox because Fox is biased, or because Fox is biased against Dr Paul?

Or, to put it another way, would you love Fox if they bent over backwards to be positive about Ron Paul while discriminating shamelessly against (for example) Mitt Romney?

because theyre corporate elitists. fascists

ape
01-02-2008, 08:17 PM
the way they report the news is garbage, and the anchors aren't very bright. I trust them about as much as I trust any MSM outlet. You just can't trust them, they're bastards.

paulitics
01-02-2008, 08:24 PM
Yes, I have a problem with their pre-emptive war, torture condoning, nation building, globalist, fascist, anti american bias. And I don't like seeing my fellow Americans brainwashed by such garbage. They have a right to broadcast their bias, (although they cross the line with elections), and we have the right to boycott their sponsors. We have a right to make their lives a little more inconvenient too. I have several companies on my boycott list, not just foxx and their sponsors.

noztnac
01-02-2008, 08:35 PM
Fox owner Rupert Murdoch has packed the network full of right wing morons in order to insure a victory for Hillary Clinton. Note that he matches college dropout Sean Hannity against Hofstra University graduate Alan Colmes. How is that fair and balanced?

Murdoch is Australian by the way and gets off on the power he gets by manipulating elections. He did the same thing in the UK.

hankpyro
01-02-2008, 09:53 PM
As I see it, Fox offered a much-needed counter-bias when they arrived on the scene. They have always been biased. That is a given. But their bias against Dr. Paul has been unusually vicious and as unfair and unbalanced as journalism can ever be.
What especially irks me is that they are not willing to engage Dr. Paul on the issues. Rather, they resort to smear tactics (white supremicism, wacky conspiracies) in an effort to discredit him.

mathamagician
01-02-2008, 09:58 PM
They are shilling for Guliani and are against Ron Paul. I don't mind if they are opinionated I DO mind if they don't admit that opinion. The didn't publish any objective reasons to exclude Paul and it reeks of backroom string pulling. Again I don't mind them having an opinion but they should be upfront about it otherwise they are just a conservative version of the mainstream media advancing their agenda under the guise of journalistic objectiveness and impartiality.

fj45lvr
01-02-2008, 10:02 PM
I think people are giving too much credence to FOX being full of "right wing" anything. They are there to MAKE MONEY. Anyone can "play the part" in the "script" when the "SCRIPT" is laying a GOLDEN EGG. I seriously doubt that the "ACTORS" on the network seriously believe what they are actually saying in their own lives when they have pay checks to earn and CASH. This is a microcosim of D.C. as well where things are a FACADE and FANTASY.

I am sure there are exceptions to the rule but it makes perfect sense to not DEVIATE from the "BRAND" or "LABEL" which would be "biting the hand that feeds you".

amistybleu
01-02-2008, 10:16 PM
Beause FOX wants you to look like this.

http://www.printsoldandrare.com/thomasnast/254tnast.jpg

Swmorgan77
01-02-2008, 10:54 PM
Something I'm curious about.

Do people despise Fox because Fox is biased, or because Fox is biased against Dr Paul?

Or, to put it another way, would you love Fox if they bent over backwards to be positive about Ron Paul while discriminating shamelessly against (for example) Mitt Romney?

Both. They have manifested clear, undisguised contempt for him personally and his positions during the election.

Fox also, in general, represents the takeover of "conservatism" by the Neo-Con establishment wing of the party, and also apparently has no aversion to collaberating financially with Hillary on her campaign.. at least Murdoch and Ales.

Pharoah
01-02-2008, 11:57 PM
Checkout the video where Murdoch confesses to being a propagandist:

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/index.php?p=341


Rupert Murdoch admits manipulating the media…Surprise…Surprise
By: John Amato on Sunday, February 4th, 2007 at 11:23 PM - PST

While at Davos, Rupert Murdoch discusses the rise of the Internet and digital media, but tells us he used News Corp. to manipulate the news.

Asked if his News Corp. managed to shape the agenda on the war in Iraq, Murdoch said: "No, I don't think so. We tried." Asked by Rose for further comment, he said: "We basically supported the Bush policy in the Middle East…but we have been very critical of his execution."

beobeli
01-03-2008, 12:01 AM
I thought they were "fair and balanced", but quickly learned that they are nothing but name-calling propaganda, rating-generating, the slimiest of slime kind of "entertainment". There is no journalism there whatsoever. And this was way before Ron Paul.

MsDoodahs
01-03-2008, 07:29 AM
I am sure there are exceptions to the rule but it makes perfect sense to not DEVIATE from the "BRAND" or "LABEL" which would be "biting the hand that feeds you".

WE are going to bite the hand that feeds them. Through boycotting sponsors.

mosquitobite
01-03-2008, 07:33 AM
Speaking only for myself, I once bought their "fair and balanced" line when I was convinced that the other news media was biased toward the left/Dems.

I'm now at a point where I no longer respect ANY of the news organizations because they are all pundits who attempt to inject their opinion and spin into the news.

If Fox were shills for Dr. Paul, I would not respect them any more than I do now, which is very little. I like it any time Paul gets some airtime, but it needs to be balanced with all candidates.

*thumbs up*

I just want the news dammit. Their "we report; you decide" is a bunch of crap. That's why we're all on the internet, isn't it? ;)



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Todd
01-03-2008, 07:39 AM
*thumbs up*

I just want the news dammit. Their "we report; you decide" is a bunch of crap. That's why we're all on the internet, isn't it? ;)



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Totally agree. I once thought Fox was a little more honest in it's news assessments, but I realize that they are all biased in favor of corporate interests. The internet is the way to go for anything regarding fair and balanced.

MN Patriot
01-03-2008, 07:41 AM
Now I understand what Thomas Jefferson said.. 'The only honest information in newspapers comes from its advertisers.'

This Jefferson quote looks bogus, are you sure they even had advertisers in newspapers in Jefferson's time?

Anyway, my eyes have really been opened by how the "conservatives" such as Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly have crapped all over Ron's campaign and his true conservative ideas.

I'll never look at any of these guys as a counter-balance to the left. Both the neo-cons and the socialists are just a bunch of gangsters fighting over their turf: the citizens of the USA.