freemasonry

[jyakulis]

Hey I know this isn't campaign related, but I found this video very interesting and I think anyone else interested in stuff like freemasonry will too. Interestingly enough there is a quote by Lysander Spooner at the top of the web page who Dr. Paul mentioned on MTP. If you were every curious about all the mysterious symbology on our dollar then it's a must see. It's 2 hours but worth it IMO.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/wes060306.htm

[Naraku]

Freemasonry is a social and charitable organization with no hand in politics . . . . . . . . . . . . . that just so happens to have members from the most powerful positions in the country.

[1913_to_2008]

Freemasonry is a social and charitable organization with no hand in politics . . . . . . . . . . . . . that just so happens to have members from the most powerful positions in the country.

By accident of course:rolleyes:

[piotr1]

I just found out today that Ben Franklin was a Mason.

Public officials and leaders should not be allowed to participate in any form of secret societies or clubs etc..... ALSDKF:LSK!!!!!!!!

[SeanEdwards]

The United States is a product of masonry.

[SeanEdwards]

I just found out today that Ben Franklin was a Mason.

Public officials and leaders should not be allowed to participate in any form of secret societies or clubs etc..... ALSDKF:LSK!!!!!!!!

It wouldn't be very secret if people could be banned from participating.

[piotr1]

It wouldn't be very secret if people could be banned from participating.

Politicians and public leaders of America should not be allowed to be involved in anything that is secretive, Government needs to be TRANSPARENT!!

Bush and Kerry are both in Skull and Bones, how does that make you feel?

[hueylong]

Most of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons.

Huey

[exformation]

freemasonry encourages its masons to better themselves.
i see nothing wrong with it.

[Naraku]

By accident of course

Of course, just like it's an accident that every revolutionary and powerful organization from the Jacobin Club to the Round Table groups has a structure and organization strikingly similar to freemasonry. Go back to sleep America. Here, here's American Gladiators.

[lucius]

freemasonry encourages its masons to better themselves.
i see nothing wrong with it.

"The average "Knife and Fork" Freemason is a pitiable dupe. He gullibly trades his good name to the lodge as a member, in exchange for a mess of pottage in the form of a greased career track. This ignorance can even apply to upper degrees, which do not automatically guarantee that an individual is among the knowledgeable inner circle. Yet no one can progress through the higher degrees with one eye open and not notice that an occult or esoteric level is being promoted."

'Blood on the Altar: The Secret History of the World's Most Dangerous Secret Society' by Craig Heimbichner p. 10-11. http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Altar-History-Dangerous-Society/dp/0970378432/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199245424&sr=8-1

[SeanEdwards]

"The average "Knife and Fork" Freemason is a pitiable dupe. He gullibly trades his good name to the lodge as a member, in exchange for a mess of pottage in the form of a greased career track. This ignorance can even apply to upper degrees, which do not automatically guarantee that an individual is among the knowledgeable inner circle. Yet no one can progress through the higher degrees with one eye open and not notice that an occult or esoteric level is being promoted."

'Blood on the Altar: The Secret History of the World's Most Dangerous Secret Society' by Craig Heimbichner p. 10-11. http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Altar-History-Dangerous-Society/dp/0970378432/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199245424&sr=8-1

Theocrats tend to not approve of masonry.

[Ibtz]

Catholics are expressly forbidden to become Masons; however, I'm sure their are those who do join.

[Fox McCloud]

there's been a couple of masons (including a few who were high up) who thought it to be a social, charitable group, however, later, they resigned after reading a number of things in their own books (not to mention Albert Pike's famous book).

At one point in time, I hated Freemasons. Now? I don't like the organization for what it stands for, behind the scenes, but I'd be willing to bet that 95% of Freemasons don't really know what it's about...and those on the entry level degrees just think it's like any other fraternity.

I don't hate Masons now, as I realize most are just ignorant....as I said, there's been a number that read, in their own books, what it was really about, and left.

Thus why informing them is the key. There's a great video out there somewhere about them...it's not condemning at all, it just points out a few things.

[lucius]

Most of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons.

Huey

"In spite of the claim that the United States was begun as a "Masonic plot," the truth is that most Masons by far were Loyalists who fought for the Crown, a masonic institution which by that time was dripping in occultism and entrenched in Lodge control.

The misprision frequently arises when a naive conspiracy researcher skims a few books written by the Masons themselves and begins to believe what he reads. Or stumbles through a Masonic Temple tour and swallow the swill in the pamphlets and pictures. Such individuals might with equal justification believe a Mormon Temple history tour about the "forgotten appearance of Jesus" to the Indians as Quetzlcoatl, the feathered serpent. Prudent readers should keep in mind that Freemasons are like the old Soviets in their historical claims: just as the Soviets were fond of claiming many great historical geniuses as "one of them," so the Masons like to claim an absurdly long list of great men...Knowledgable historians of Freemasonry realize that deception and trickery abound when it comes to writings produced by a masonic lodge, which are as trustworthy as old Pravda tales about the Communists of Russia.

Some researchers may well be promoting lodge disinformation deliberately. The pro-Masonic view of our nation's history has actually spread from Manly Palmer Hall... "

'Blood on the Altar: The Secret History of the World's Most Dangerous Secret Society' by Craig Heimbichner p. 64-65.

[Naraku]

I think Freemasons at first were more or less a good organization, but became contaminated over time by the Illuminati or at least, the former members of the Illuminati.

It's funny, but I think Freemasons may embrace Christian Gnosticism at the highest levels. Apparently the major landmarks in D.C. align to include Virgo, which is Sophia in Christian Gnosticism, Sophia being the source from which all life on Earth originated and to whom all will eventually return.

Gnosticism was apparently embraced by the Knights Templar and it's quite likely this was carried on into the Masons.

[lucius]

Theocrats tend to not approve of masonry.

In 1970 a German Lutheran received permission from Pope Paul Vl to observe him during papal audiences in order to paint his portrait. Ernst Gunter Hansing presented the Pope with the finished portrait in 1972. It was published in full color in the April 1972 edition of the Smithsonian, together with Paul Vl's cryptic commentary: the Pope stated that the portrait is 'a mirror of the situation in the Church today," and furthermore that "one almost needs a new philosophy to grasp the meaning of this in its context."

I would venture that most organized religions are under Thelematic control.

http://catholiccitizens.org/content/img/f35947/PAUL6.jpg

[readyja]

Catholics are expressly forbidden to become Masons; however, I'm sure their are those who do join.

To clarify - Catholics are forbidden by the catholic church from becoming Masons. The Masons, however, do not ban catholics from joining.

[readyja]

I think Freemasons at first were more or less a good organization, but became contaminated over time by the Illuminati or at least, the former members of the Illuminati.

Are those the guys with the little cars and funny hats that support hospitals for sick kids?

[inibo]

I would venture that most organized religions are under Thelematic control.

http://catholiccitizens.org/content/img/f35947/PAUL6.jpg

The proper term is Thelemic.

That picture bears a striking resemblance in style to the Thoth Tarot deck, particularly the Tower.
http://gfx.tarot.com/images/decks/crowley/full_size/16.jpg

That being said, there are probably more Thelemites in the Ron Paul grassroots than you realize.

[lucius]

The proper term is Thelemic...

My mistake--thank you!


...That being said, there are probably more Thelemites in the Ron Paul grassroots than you realize.

No doubt! It seems to be a product of our social engineering or as Charles Fort would say, "farming the goyim."

What is your take on Gerald Gardner?

[inibo]

What is your take on Gerald Gardner?

Short version: A fairly typical upper middle class English eccentric. A product of his Victorian/Colonialist background and quite the showman.

Being both a Wiccan initiate and a Thelemite, though lately not very active as either, within the constraints of my oaths, I could probably write a book, but you wouldn't learn anything you can't already find on the intertubes.

[lucius]

Short version: A fairly typical upper middle class English eccentric. A product of his Victorian/Colonialist background and quite the showman.

Being both a Wiccan initiate and a Thelemite, though lately not very active as either, within the constraints of my oaths, I could probably write a book, but you wouldn't learn anything you can't already find on the intertubes.

I think showman/salesman is key.

Perhaps you should write that book.

[PatriotG]

Politicians and public leaders of America should not be allowed to be involved in anything that is secretive, Government needs to be TRANSPARENT!!

Bush and Kerry are both in Skull and Bones, how does that make you feel?



One answer comes to mind:

DONT TAZE ME BRO!!!

[inibo]

Politicians and public leaders of America should not be allowed to be involved in anything that is secretive, Government needs to be TRANSPARENT!!

Bush and Kerry are both in Skull and Bones, how does that make you feel?

Speaking of Skull & Bones, I recently watched a pretty good movie about Geronimo and, as is my want when watching movies, I did a search on Geronimo. I came across this little bit of weirdness


Did Skull and Bones rob the grave of Geronimo during World War I? For decades, it has been the most controversial and sordid of all the mysteries surrounding Yale's best-known secret society. The story was widely rumored but, despite the efforts of reporters and historians and the public complaints of Apache leaders in the 1980s, never verified. An internal history of Skull and Bones, written in the 1930s and leaked to the Apache 50 years later, mentioned the theft. But Bones spokesmen have always dismissed the story as a hoax.

http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/2006_05/notebook.html


It's probably not true, but it sure is entertaining.

[Prince Arthur]

The KNIGHTS TEMPLAR (Order of Solomon's Temple) (founded 1118) were sent on the Crusades to metaphorically capture the ‘ARK of the COVENANT’ (kept in SOLOMON’s TEMPLE).

The ‘ARK of the COVENANT’ can be re-interpreted as the ‘CONTRACT of the ARCH’ and is pretty much what modern Freemasonry is all about.


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51004037702_2b2d1dfc5b_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kH42so)HierARCHical Structure of Freemasonry - the Contract of the ARCH (https://flic.kr/p/2kH42so) by Prince Arthur (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142603527@N02/), on Flickr


The Knights Templar (Order of Solomon's Temple) still exist to this day in the modern structure of Freemasonry and they stand on the top step of the YORK RITE of Freemasonry.

The following PDF document and photo links may be of interest:

https://pubastrology.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/noahs-ark-of-the-covenant-revision-5.pdf
_https://pubastrology.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/noahs-ark-of-the-covenant-revision-5.pdf
https://flickr.com/photos/142603527@N02/albums/72157718418440952

https://pubastrology.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/new-world-order-of-the-knights-of-the-garter-v2_6.pdf
_https://pubastrology.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/new-world-order-of-the-knights-of-the-garter-v2_6.pdf
https://www.flickr.com/photos/142603527@N02/albums/72157716798817413

Also, Knights Trivia Quiz link (MS Powerpoint) to test how much you really know about Knights (ancient and modern).
https://pubastrology.files.wordpress.com/2021/10/quiz-knight-part-1-v1.ppsx

_https://pubastrology.files.wordpress.com/2021/10/quiz-knight-part-1-v1.ppsx

[devil21]

Modern masonry was invented and is controlled by Jesuits, hence the deep roots of Masonry in Italy. Remember who the templars were crusading for in the first place....Vatican.....until they became a threat to the Vatican's own authority and wealth and were subsequently ordered disbanded, wealth seized and burned at the stake as heretics. Yes, modern templars still administer the Roman financial system (Cestui Que Vie trust system, which templars invented during the crusades to ensure their property was safe when they returned from crusadin', reinstituted in 1666 thanks to the convenient London Fire) and the Roman commercial legal system (also based on the Cestui Que system, can't have one without the other) from the City of London. City of London, Vatican and Wash DC are the only 3 sovereign cities on the planet.....sorta seems like they work hand in hand. Must be a reason for that....

[Firestarter]

Modern masonry was invented and is controlled by Jesuits, hence the deep roots of Masonry in Italy.
"Modern" Freemasonry was founded by the Rosicrucians in the 17th century on the orders of the British royal degenerates (protestants?).


Hierarchically freemasonry is governed by the United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE).
All Grand Masters of UGLE from 1813 till present have also been Knights of the Garter.
https://archive.is/DbZPE/e7855255b3060b2bbd060f92440233318fd0103c.jpg
Freemasonry-Rosecrucians-and-the-destruction-of-science (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?552059-Freemasonry-Rosecrucians-and-the-destruction-of-science)

[devil21]

^^^^^^^You're not going far enough back into the history to understand the full context. You and Arthur are always fixated on this small group of Garter folks without much mention of the history farther back than that or the goals of their actions. Many Orders have been created to accomplish specific tasks. Garter knights are usually the heads of state used to lead nations into banker (templar) financed wars of financial and territorial domination. Bankers are implementing the ROMAN commercial slave system globally, both economic and legal, which predates Garter knights by many hundreds of years, as I explained in my previous post. It's a much, much older agenda than the 1700 or 1800's.

[Firestarter]

Bankers are implementing the ROMAN commercial slave system globally, both economic and legal, which predates Garter knights by many hundreds of years, as I explained in my previous post.
You always insinuate to have some deeper knowledge of the conspiracy against us, but for some reason always "forget" to provide this information (I don't see any explanation in your previous short post that looks copy-pasted) to us common folks.

My conclusion is that this is either because:
A) You're full of $hit and don't know what you're talking about, or;
B) You're intentionally misleading the non-initiated.



It's a much, much older agenda than the 1700 or 1800's.
I have gone back to the 8th century with the foundation of the Carolingian dynasty by Charles Martel that still rules the world.

Makhir and Alda (715-804) were the parents of Guillaume de Toulouse de Gellone (a.k.a. William of Orange) and Ida Redburga, who married Egbert of Wessex, later King of England (not in this picture). All the leading European aristocratic families are Carolingians. There were some marriages with the Merovingians.
https://herebedragons.weebly.com/uploads/6/3/2/7/6327404/6722171.jpg


I could try to go wayback to ancient Rome, Greece, and preceding that Egypt, Sumer and Scythia.
But I don't think I'm really capable of going so far back, and doubt whether this adds much relevant information to the current status of the New World Order of the Garter.
Dragon-court#post6480917 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?511234-Dragon-court&p=6480917&viewfull=1#post6480917)

[devil21]

You're right. Posting up a pic or two would surely make all the difference instead of explaining the actual historic timeline, which anyone can go verify for themselves and thus educate themselves. Pics of some dudes in costumes is a much more convincing story :tears: The London Fire of 1666 allowed the reinstatement of the ROMAN Cestui Que trust system, right after the Vatican declared it to be back in effect by papal bull. You can't deny that our entire reality has been shaped by ROMAN systems of law and money. But it's the royals behind it? Naaa, not buying it.

Perhaps you should go further back to the Council of Nicea, who edited and compiled the playbook that they're all following now. It's odd to me how the Vatican is recognized as the richest corporation in the world, the largest landholder in the world, quite literally has golden decorations and artifacts and custody of alllllll of the historical knowledge but you insist on focusing on a handful of claimed royals and "faces". Some of which have even been questioned as to their actual blood lineage as to whether they are even of those bloodlines (ie German Windsors). It's also even odder how suddenly Prince Arthur bumps a TON of old freemason threads like this one with a basically spammed post for no apparent reason.....but only after a thread talking about the Vatican and communism starts to pick up clicks. Hmmm....

[ClaytonB]

^^^^^^^You're not going far enough back into the history to understand the full context. You and Arthur are always fixated on this small group of Garter folks without much mention of the history farther back than that or the goals of their actions. Many Orders have been created to accomplish specific tasks. Garter knights are usually the heads of state used to lead nations into banker (templar) financed wars of financial and territorial domination. Bankers are implementing the ROMAN commercial slave system globally, both economic and legal, which predates Garter knights by many hundreds of years, as I explained in my previous post. It's a much, much older agenda than the 1700 or 1800's.

Part of the problem here is that there are no completely "clean" or completely "dirty" organizations. The Vatican is corrupt, to be sure, but the church of Rome (which it has captured and controls) is indeed Christian and there are many faithful followers of Jesus within that church. So it's an oversimplification to say "the Vatican is evil" (meaning "the Roman Catholic church is evil"). Corrupt? Yes. Infiltrated? Obviously. But pure evil (no good guys within)? No, it's not pure evil.

Similar observations can be made in regard to all these various organizations, even the secret societies. God does indeed work in secret ways, but the key to understanding God's secret work is that he only uses secrecy against those who are themselves using secrecy as a weapon for evil. So you can be sure that all these secret societies are infiltrated by what I guess we're calling "white-hats" nowadays -- good guys. And yes, that includes the grand-daddy of all modern secret societies, the Jesuit order.

And if you go back to the New Testament, it becomes clear why the name of Jesus is the razor that cuts between the good and the evil. Many organizations that appear to be "completely evil" are, in fact, infiltrated by the good guys, and so the final test of who is truly good and who is evil is whether they will submit to the lordship of Jesus: "No one can say, 'Jesus is Lord,' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor. 12:13b) This is why the process of testing the spirits must be applied to these organizations in order to thresh out the good from the bad:


Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. (1 John 4:1-3)

So, if you wanted to thresh out the Freemasons, the procedure would be to line them up, one by one, and challenge them to say with their own lips the phrase: "Jesus is Lord, and he came in the flesh." Some will freely acknowledge it, but there will be some that not only will not but cannot. These are the hidden children of Lucifer, and they are scattered everywhere throughout all of these human organizations. They are the ultimate, distributed, peer-to-peer network / sleeper cell, a malignant spiritual cancer that has woven itself into the heart-nerves of the global body in order to make itself inextricable by surgical means. Only the weapons of spiritual warfare[1] can defeat this enemy. He has made himself absolutely immune to human weapons and human methods of warfare. Anyone who thinks taking on Lucifer is a click-of-the-heels is deluded. Every war ever fought in history, added together, will be but a firecracker compared to the coming global conflagration...

[1] - meaning, the weapons that Paul discusses in Ephesians 6, not LotR-style wizard battles, sorry to disappoint