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dvictr
01-01-2008, 03:40 PM
would you oppose the idea of running negative ads?

The message of civil liberties, peace, and fiscal responsibily speaks for itself.

But i think that running some advertsing highlighting the downside of policies by the other candidates could help sway voters towards Ron Paul..

some basic ideas
"Huckabees fair tax/ sales tax is a burden on the lower and middle class who consume a greater proportion of income... Ron Paul doesnt want ANY taxes"

"Mitt Romney/ Guliani love gun controls, national ID card"

"McCain wants to grant amnesty and move towards a draft..100 years in Iraq"


I have noticed that the negative ads get discussion on MSM and is a great way to have the MSM cover the positions and bring discussion

Dan Klaus
01-01-2008, 03:42 PM
paging huey long...paging mr. long to this thread....(sarcasm)

Don't think it fits the good doctor's style...this idea is a non-starter...

stevedasbach
01-01-2008, 03:43 PM
The message of civil liberties, peace, and fiscal responsibily speaks for itself.

But i think that running some advertsing highlighting the downside of policies by the other candidates could help sway voters towards Ron Paul..

some basic ideas
"Huckabees fair tax/ sales tax is a burden on the lower and middle class who consume a greater proportion of income... Ron Paul doesnt want ANY taxes"

"Mitt Romney/ Guliani love gun controls, national ID card"

"McCain wants to grant amnesty and move towards a draft"


Paul's problem is that not enough people have heard him and his message. You can't solve that problem with negative ads.

People are already disatisfied with their choices. We have to show them there is a better alternative.

phixion
01-01-2008, 03:44 PM
Ron Paul doesn't have to attack the other candidates personally - he just has to mention policies of the status quo and why they're hurtful.

He could do it without naming names and without 'attacking' them at all in a sense.

I think they would do great.

Pete

dvictr
01-01-2008, 03:44 PM
paging huey long...paging mr. long to this thread....(sarcasm)

Don't think it fits the good doctor's style...this idea is a non-starter...



i am going to be upset if this poll gets censored... I want to see how the members of this forum feel about this. I made the options pretty objective and fair. please do not marginalize my question just vote and discuss

Jeremy
01-01-2008, 03:45 PM
When people here the message our movement brings to America, they will see that it is far greater than any other candidate running. :)

whutaboutbob
01-01-2008, 03:45 PM
NO!

Simply put, bad idea, please delete this.

hueylong
01-01-2008, 03:48 PM
This is a bad idea. And another dumb distraction. This is not our call to make. It's Dr. Paul's call to make.

Strategically -- there is NO REASON to go negative. We need to spend EVERY PENNY on getting Dr. Paul's message out.

Get a grip, people.

Huey

dvictr
01-01-2008, 03:53 PM
the negative ads get discussed by the MSM = free advertising

whutaboutbob
01-01-2008, 03:54 PM
the negative ads get discussed by the MSM = free advertising

What part of NO are you having problems with? :D

hueylong
01-01-2008, 03:55 PM
So they get discussed? So what? Free advertising is only helpful if it is ON MESSAGE.

There is no way the MSM spins anything we do in a way that helps.

Better for our POSITIVE advertising to go directly to voters. In any event -- it's Dr. Paul's call.

This thread is a time waster and a distraction.

Huey

dvictr
01-01-2008, 03:57 PM
tell me this isn't priceless...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=_pLOC4krZI4

dircha
01-01-2008, 03:58 PM
If it weren't for Romney running negative ads against Huckabee, Huckabee would still have a double digit lead over him in Iowa.

dvictr
01-01-2008, 03:58 PM
This thread is a time waster and a distraction.


hi huey welcome to the forums... what have you done for Ron Paul?

Jeremy
01-01-2008, 03:59 PM
What's the point anyway if everyone else is exposing negative things about each other

Ron Paul Fan
01-01-2008, 04:00 PM
I have a great idea! Ron Paul should make a negative ad, but pull it right before it is suppose to air! Then he should hold a press conference where he shows the negative ad just so that people know that it exists and so the word gets out all the while, Ron Paul keeps his hands clean! It's a clever way to get the negative ad press and stay positive and consistent! This idea is political genius and nobody will be fooled by it!

scandinaviany3
01-01-2008, 04:00 PM
Ron has gotten enough of his ideas into tv ads and got to enough people via that std method as of yet to sway all the new peoples...in a month from now when the campaign catches up to romney and huckabee, and others on these matters, yes...just not ready.

aspiringconstitutionalist
01-01-2008, 04:01 PM
We should stay positive unless we are attacked, in which case we attack back, just like war. No pre-emptive strikes, but if we're attacked, we defend ourselves!

Myerz
01-01-2008, 04:06 PM
I think when he does speak, he should mention how the main stream media is biased and how some media outlets claim to be fair and balanced are in fact truly not and the ones that are, are becoming more rare or irrelevant. He doesn't need to sling mud at the other candidates, unless of course they attack him ( constitutional I might add) the other candidates are doing a fine job attacking each other.

dvictr
01-01-2008, 04:07 PM
We should stay positive unless we are attacked, in which case we attack back, just like war. No pre-emptive strikes, but if we're attacked, we defend ourselves!

campaigning is like domestic policy, strong military for national security.. the other candidates are known terrorists:p ... attacking them is within the constituional powers of gov. to protect private property. the white house..lol

dvictr
01-01-2008, 04:08 PM
i do not advocate attaking FOX news because if Ron Paul acts sour towards them ... then they will definetly not mention him EVER

dvictr
01-01-2008, 04:10 PM
MSM discusses negative ads...= more coverage of the issues and RON PAUL = more name recognition = more support = more donations

OptionsTrader
01-01-2008, 04:11 PM
The poll question is irrelevant.

Paul's campaign will do what they think gets the most votes while sticking to the method they believe is the most strategic. I don't care if they go negative if that's what they decide to do. Let the pro's handle the campaign and stick to our job of getting his name out there and canvassing etc.

This poll and what we think is 100% irrelevant.

mikeh2002
01-01-2008, 04:15 PM
Can pointing out the bad policies of other candidates be done at the grassroots level? Even if RP does not want to do negative ads (which I think he is correct to avoid) he may benefit from at least making a statement as to why he does not want to do them. I think doing a negative ad then pulling it at the last minute will be seen as a false and empty gesture.
I don't think it would hurt the campaign if, at a grass roots level, supporters make clear, fact based, and concise pro/con arguments against the policies of other candidates.

Many people that are in support of Hitlery's health care plan cannot see the consequenses of this policy of hers. We need to point that out for them. Socialized health care= bigger government and much higher taxes. Point out the flaws in the Medicare system for a great example. Point out the rise in medication costs due to the government paying the higher costs, which of course are also paid for by higher taxes, and makes the medication more expensive for those that do not need her health care plan. Why would big biz lower the cost when they KNOW Hitlery's plan will pay whatever price they ask?

Spread the video in the reply above regarding Huck's stance on taxes. Judging by that video he will agree to raise taxes however the congress (our current socialist democrat congress that is) sees fit.

As long as it is clear, fact based and without rhetoric and anger, I think that may help us increase support.

drednot
01-01-2008, 04:17 PM
There's nothing wrong with negative campaigning, it's important to highlight the opponent's corruption.

However, in this race there are five opponents so attacking one of them is a waste of resources that could have been spent promoting yourself.

dvictr
01-01-2008, 04:18 PM
Can pointing out the bad policies of other candidates be done at the grassroots level?

As long as it is clear, fact based and without rhetoric and anger, I think that may help us increase support.

welcome. to the forums great post

robert4rp08
01-01-2008, 04:34 PM
Not needed. The message speaks for itself. He should however do SOMETHING to explain the differences between himself and others. But that should be done in debates, not in ads. Ads should be 100% positive and about the message.

Birdlady
01-01-2008, 04:44 PM
There is nothing wrong with a negative ad as long as it is true and you can back it up with multiple sources or videos.

It can't be stuff that is based on opinion or feelings. It must be a fact. Specifics are best too, so the opponent can't weasel their way out of it.

I think it is ridiculous that in today's society people think it is "wrong" to show your opponent for what they really are. Especially if it is directly related to the office they are running. The media tells us it is offensive to do this and it helps them out because people's pasts are quietly swept under the rug for no one to see. That way they prop up their candidate of choice.

jointhefightforfreedom
01-01-2008, 05:01 PM
THIS IS WAR PEOPLE!!

Wouldn't you want to know if a child molester was living next door to you?

This goodie goodie attitude isn't gonna cut it anymore!

"The sun shines every day and the flowers bloom every morning" (sarcasim)

Hell no you cut thier balls off and feed it to them! thats how wars are won

I VOTE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ! Because i do infact HAVE an opion im not afraid to express it!

dianeh
01-01-2008, 05:04 PM
Not needed. The message speaks for itself. He should however do SOMETHING to explain the differences between himself and others. But that should be done in debates, not in ads. Ads should be 100% positive and about the message.

Problem is, he doesn't get to talk all that much in debates. I think a grid/chart listing all candidates with yes or no as a response to their positions on various issues is always good. And maybe a short explanation on Dr. Paul's position on each issue. It doesn't overtly criticize the other guys, but it sets Ron Paul apart.

And if things get really nasty down the road? (worse than now) Then YES, he should let them have it back, and hard. With his usual dignity. Come to think of it, he has done that a few times lately, hasn't he? But he might have to ramp it up in the future if they really start dumping on him like they will when he wins the primary. I'm sure he is capable of holding his own with Billary, tho.

dvictr
01-01-2008, 06:08 PM
bump

MayTheRonBeWithYou
01-01-2008, 06:09 PM
If it's based on issues, i have no problem with it.

dvictr
01-01-2008, 07:51 PM
bump

Thomas Paine
01-01-2008, 08:03 PM
Right now the Romney campaign is going to firing negative ads left and right at both Huckabee and McCain so there is no need for the Ron Paul campaign to step into the crossfire -- at this time.

dvictr
01-01-2008, 08:54 PM
Right now the Romney campaign is going to firing negative ads left and right at both Huckabee and McCain so there is no need for the Ron Paul campaign to step into the crossfire -- at this time.

would you agree that romney is getting the MSM coverage for placing those ads?

Thomas Paine
01-01-2008, 09:00 PM
would you agree that romney is getting the MSM coverage for placing those ads?

Romney very well may be getting MSM coverage for the negative ads but after Huckabee and McCain crash and burn, the voters are going to be looking for a positive alternative like Ron Paul instead of an unprincipled, flip-flopping candidate like Romney.

smartpeople4ronpaul
01-01-2008, 09:03 PM
paging huey long...paging mr. long to this thread....(sarcasm)

Don't think it fits the good doctor's style...this idea is a non-starter...

It does, BUT....we should make our own commericials, start a chipin, give those facts, and not say who TO support.

dvictr
01-02-2008, 05:37 PM
bump

dvictr
01-04-2008, 01:03 AM
where we at???

smdesignworks
01-04-2008, 01:23 AM
Run an ad with a train passing by, with each candidates name on a rail car, except Ron Paul's.

Then just show text saying "How long have you been saying our country is on the wrong track?".

Stuff like that is as negative as I would get. As far as directed attacks on specific candidates, no way.

ronpaul4pres
01-04-2008, 01:26 AM
Divide and conquer - let the other guys spend money taking shots at each other.

dvictr
01-05-2008, 11:30 PM
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/04/post_259.html?hpid=topnews


By Matthew Mosk
Apparently, there's only room in the Republican presidential field for one candidate who wants to abolish the IRS. At least that seems to be the message in a new Ron Paul mailing in New Hampshire. The glossy flyer from the Texas congressman and maverick presidential contender does not target the two Republicans who lead in the polls there (Mitt Romney and John McCain); it instead goes after Iowa caucus winner Mike Huckabee, calling him a "habitual tax hiker."

Paul has been putting to use his $20 million fourth-quarter fundraising haul with a series of mailings, though this is the first to go negative. The piece also carries two photographs -- one shows two former Arkansas governors -- Huckabee and former President Bill Clinton -- in a frame together. The other shows Paul with Ronald Reagan (though does not mention that Paul eventually criticized Reagan as a "failure.")

The latest polls in New Hampshire show Huckabee charging further ahead of Paul, with Huckabee fighting with Rudy Giuliani for third place, and Paul stuck in fifth.

dvictr
01-09-2008, 01:28 AM
Vote

Antonius Stone
01-09-2008, 01:35 AM
the thing is, Ron can pretty much attack their flip-flops with impunity because he has no flip-flops that they can attack.

ultimaonliner
01-09-2008, 01:39 AM
"Attack ads" aren't really negative at all if one just simply states the historical facts of Paul's competitors. It can be consistent with the libertarian view that information should be presented accurately for the individual to decide.

The other candidates are the ones who made themselves look bad with their past actions. We only need to educate the public. There is no "negativity" in truth.

Antonius Stone
01-09-2008, 01:48 AM
if RP were to make attack ads, I think he should make two-

1- Calling the other republicans on their records as Tax-Hikers and Fee Raisers (Huck & Romney)

2- Calling the ALL the Democrats on their inconsistencies on the War (trying to swing some of the anti-war Democrats to our side of the coin)

figueir2
01-09-2008, 01:53 AM
"Attack ads" aren't really negative at all if one just simply states the historical facts of Paul's competitors. It can be consistent with the libertarian view that information should be presented accurately for the individual to decide.

The other candidates are the ones who made themselves look bad with their past actions. We only need to educate the public. There is no "negativity" in truth.

+1

And lets face it, "attack ads" are effective

dvictr
01-09-2008, 01:53 AM
this thread was made before IOWA and the results are changing

dvictr
01-09-2008, 01:54 AM
attack ads get attention in the MSM

MGreen
01-09-2008, 01:54 AM
I have to agree with Romney's defense of his ads (and his competitors' defense on their ads against him) that there's nothing negative about comparing your issues with another candidate's. What is negative about, "Huckabee wants a 23% sales tax, Ron Paul wants to work to repeal the income tax and replace it with nothing"? It's the reality of the situation. Same with, "McCain has suggested we stay in Iraq for 100 more years; Ron Paul wants out troops home now," etc. etc.

He needs to distinguish himself from everyone else. As has been said before, one big problem with the current ads are that they're pretty much the same as every other Republican ad. All of them are saying we need to secure the borders, fix the economy, etc.

dvictr
01-09-2008, 02:56 PM
bump

RoyalShock
01-09-2008, 03:32 PM
Perhaps a better wording of the poll option is "let the other candidates be exposed" instead of "let the mud sling".

I've yet to see a candidate who stated he/she was going to run a "positive" campaign either win or not switch their strategy.

I'd like to see an ad that takes this approach:



How much money would be saved if . . .

- The US closed unnecessary military bases in over 100 countries?
- Inefficient beauracracies like the Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Education and Dept. of Homeland Security were closed?
- Monies set aside for earmarks and silly research grants were returned to the taxpayers?

Enough to eliminate the personal income tax and abolish the IRS!!!

And there is only once candidate with the consistent voting record to do it - Ron Paul!

The other candidates only want to fiddle with the tax code, continuing to fleece you, the American taxpayer, to pay for expensive, unnecessary programs.

Vote for the one candidate who has never voted to raise taxes or pass an unbalanced budget - Ron Paul.

"I'm Ron Paul and I approve this message".

mconder
01-09-2008, 04:01 PM
I think some righteous indignation is the best tool in RP's arsenal.

dvictr
01-10-2008, 02:08 PM
ATTACK ADs work...

Korey Kaczynski
01-10-2008, 02:09 PM
paging huey long...paging mr. long to this thread....(sarcasm)

Don't think it fits the good doctor's style...this idea is a non-starter...

He's run negative ad campaigns before, and it WORKS. Why not do it? Let's forego this positive shit and go win this thing.

TonySutton
01-10-2008, 02:13 PM
I believe our opposition does a very good job at making each other and themselves look foolish in every debate. They need to because they are all basically running on the same side of the issues. They argue about fairly trivial details.

Ron Paul has a message which stands apart from the others. This message is winning over new supporters every day. The key is to get the right part of his message to the right people.

This election is winnable if we get the message to the people!

dsentell
01-10-2008, 02:29 PM
Personally, I do not like mud slinging, but I guess there is a fine line between mud slinging and educational ads.

I am in favor of those that would educate the unknowing public. For example, a Ron Paul ad showing Rudy saying it would be fine for us to be in Iraq for the next hundred years would be great . . .