Beware Newbies with BAD Ideas.

[hueylong]

It looks like we're getting a lot of new registrants who are making REALLY BAD suggestions.

Trying to block the Fox News broadcast feed, or attack the New Hampshire Republican Party -- ridiculous and destructive!!!

When we see these incendiary posts trying to make the grassroots get behind something really really stupid -- please take a moment to check how long this person has been registered, and how many posts they have made.

That alone isn't a determinative factor -- but it should give you some idea how vested a person really is in the revolution.

Otherwise -- CHILL PEOPLE! We're advancing steadily, building on a firm foundation -- and on our way to righting the American ship of state.

Go, RP!!

Huey

[Thomas Paine]

Trying to block a Fox newsfeed is illegal. Hence, the idea probably originated with Karl Rove via a plant in these forums.

[ItsTime]

Thank you for the post.

I will add THE MARCH ON THE 6TH IS PEACEFUL!!!!

[WilliamC]

Expect this to accelerate over the next few days. I predict by next weekend things will be going ballistic here.

EVERYONE, if you are stupid enough to want to do something illegal, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF and don't broadcast it to the forum.

And DON'T ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH RON PAUL!

Sorry for the shouting.

Edit, non-violent peaceful civil disobedience is acceptable if you are courageous enough.

[hueylong]

This is a critical moment in the revolution. We of the grassroots need to keep our wits about us, stop whining and complaining about everything, and stop flying off the handle with every stupid suggestion.

Focus. Focus. Focus.

Raising money, canvassing, sticking to the basic talking points about Dr. Paul...

These are the things of which a modern revolution is made.

Huey

[thoughtbombing]

please take a moment to check how long this person has been registered, and how many posts they have made.

That alone isn't a determinative factor -- but it should give you some idea how vested a person really is in the revolution.

edited I've read just as many stupid ideas from people who had been supporting since day one.

edited I've been to meetup groups where new supporters were the most vocal, had the best ideas and were the loudest and most enthusiastic while standing out there waving signs. I think what you have is a bunch of people who are "new christian" about their Ron Paul support and are trying to convert the entire population in a day. Who isn't guilty of this when they first have their spiritual or political awakening?

Also, there are some people here with very high post counts who could be classified as crazy as hell, and shills for Rudy and the Neocons. No need to name names, you can judge them based on their substance, not the post count.

[WilliamC]

This is a critical moment in the revolution. We of the grassroots need to keep our wits about us, stop whining and complaining about everything, and stop flying off the handle with every stupid suggestion.

Focus. Focus. Focus.

Raising money, canvassing, sticking to the basic talking points about Dr. Paul...

These are the things of which a modern revolution is made.

Huey

What he said. I'll be calling more Iowa voters over the next couple of days myself.

[Lord Xar]

wait! someone actually suggested trying to bring down the feed!!!

ahhhahahahhahah --- I mean, really... hahaha...

HEY all you PLANTS AND SHILLS AND DISRUPTORS --- GET LOST and CAPITULATE TO YOUR BETTERS and be happy with your Hijacked government.

[S3eker]

Well, we'll know soon if more people are really joining or the same Ron Paul people are the ones being stupid. We'll see how RP does in the polls.

Regardless, if you're stupid enough to do something illegal, then you're hurting the campaign more than helping.

[yongrel]

This is generally a good rule of thumb on any forum, but especially here.

BEWARE OF NEW MEMBERS WITH LOW POST COUNTS.

This is not to say all new members or all members with low post counts are malicious. Only that there is an increased likelihood that a disruptor/actual troll/infiltrator will be new and have a low post count.

[Original_Intent]

Usually before I look at post count something has to trigger my attention, something that makes me think "Would a real Ron Paul supporter be suggesting this?" or "Would Ron Paul support this?" or sometimes just "Is this person stupid?" THEN I look at the join date and post count. It's not jsut the new people with some crazy ideas, but we have definitely picked up some moles/agent provacatuers in the last few months.

[yongrel]

Usually before I look at post count something has to trigger my attention, something that makes me think "Would a real Ron Paul supporter be suggesting this?" or "Would Ron Paul support this?" or sometimes just "Is this person stupid?" THEN I look at the join date and post count. It's not jsut the new people with some crazy ideas, but we have definitely picked up some moles/agent provacatuers in the last few months.

agreed

[AdoubleR]

No Lambourgini For Ron Paul? :'(

LOL... Joking... Excellent post... I might not have 1 billion posts, but I am no troll... And to the trolls... You'll feel REALLY STUPID when your next president is the honest man you've been trying to undermine the whole time... :D

[Cleaner44]

Ron Paul is gaining tons of news supporters everyday. That is a good thing.

I suggest if we see a new poster promoting crimes, let's all report them.

I also suggest if we see a new poster promoting ideas that we disagree with, just share your opinion but also keep an open mind.

[literatim]

I think moderators need to start cracking down harder.

[yongrel]

Ron Paul is gaining tons of news supporters everyday. That is a good thing.

I suggest if we see a new poster promoting crimes, let's all report them.

I also suggest if we see a new poster promoting ideas that we disagree with, just share your opinion but also keep an open mind.

Absolutely. I disagree with people on here all the time, and don't call them trolls. It's when a new member advocates violence, illegal activity, or bigotry that I grow suspicious of them being a disruptor.

[WilliamC]

Ron Paul is gaining tons of news supporters everyday. That is a good thing..

And here I thought the media was ignoring him ;)

[Dan Klaus]

I find myself checking post counts every time someone seems to make a strange comment...definitely plants among the board, but picking them out is not too difficult...

[WilliamC]

I think moderators need to start cracking down harder.

I would prefer they only take immediate unprompted action if someone posts a comment inciting violence, like Wingman did a while back. Otherwise let the members mark the threads and the mods follow our lead.

[PubliusPublicola]

Yes, shut down and marginalize the new guys.

That sounds like a really principled thing to do...

[ecliptic]

If anyone posts a new thread with a depressing negative loser-mindset ....

DO NOT RESPOND

... vote 1 star then move on.

There are agent provocateurs and disinformation pros who generally use the same techniques:

1. divide and conquer - provoke discord and negativity to "unfocus" your efforts

2. FUD - Fear Uncertainty and Doubt - oldest lamest method on the 'net - may not work as well as it used to...

3. Attack the messenger - personal attacks in place of honest debate

4. incite violence - this is especially true at rallies and public events - GET A PHOTO OF THEM FIRST!!!! before they disappear. These are true "agent provocateurs" and we need their FACES!!! Post pictures here and back up your account with additional witnesses should this occur. Single these individuals out!


NOTE: quite often everyday people will exhibit one or more of these traits - often folks who simply aren't accustomed to web forums, or who allow their emotions to temporarily overtake their intellect. Best to do as the Dr. does - remain ( reasonably ) polite and "keep your eyes on the prize" - it's generally a waste of time to argue minutia on a web forum when the "real world" is where this thing is going to be won or lost at this point.

[yongrel]

Yes, shut down and marginalize the new guys.

That sounds like a really principled thing to do...

No, shut down and marginalize the new guys who advocate illegal activities or violence.

[xexkxex]

No, shut down and marginalize the new guys who advocate illegal activities or violence.

QFT

[szczebrzeszyn]

I might not have 1 billion posts, but I am no troll...
Every troll says so...:p

[AdoubleR]

Every troll says so...:p

LOL...

[axiomata]

I have confidence that if a troll comes in spouting off some horrible idea we will just laugh him out of the water.

[Sey.Naci]

If anyone posts a new thread with a depressing negative loser-mindset ....

DO NOT RESPOND

... vote 1 star then move on.

There are agent provocateurs and disinformation pros who generally use the same techniques:

1. divide and conquer - provoke discord and negativity to "unfocus" your efforts

2. FUD - Fear Uncertainty and Doubt - oldest lamest method on the 'net - may not work as well as it used to...

3. Attack the messenger - personal attacks in place of honest debate

4. incite violence - this is especially true at rallies and public events - GET A PHOTO OF THEM FIRST!!!! before they disappear. These are true "agent provocateurs" and we need their FACES!!! Post pictures here and back up your account with additional witnesses should this occur. Single these individuals out!

NOTE: quite often everyday people will exhibit one or more of these traits - often folks who simply aren't accustomed to web forums, or who allow their emotions to temporarily overtake their intellect. Best to do as the Dr. does - remain ( reasonably ) polite and "keep your eyes on the prize" - it's generally a waste of time to argue minutia on a web forum when the "real world" is where this thing is going to be won or lost at this point.Excellent advice.

We do have long-timers who tend toward almost a constant high-anxiety state and thus create thread, after thread, after thread..., ALL on the same topic. They'll generate negative threads as often as they'll over-zealously try to stoke up the troops on something like a moneybomb. Drives me nuts, which is why such posters are on my Ignore list. (You all know who I mean, right?)

I do think we have to be careful when making statements about newbies, though. There are bound to be more moles signing up as the campaign appears to be taking off, but so also that means there will be more truly interested new RP converts. Also, there are just as likely to be moles who have been around a long time, which is a supposedly unofficial and common campaign strategy.

[davidhperry]

Trying to block a Fox newsfeed is illegal. Hence, the idea probably originated with Karl Rove via a plant in these forums.

Haven't you heard? Karl Rove himself is posting in these forums.

[Michigan11]

If it's not good and good for you, don't respond!

All RP revolution ideas are good and good for you.

Take individual action to help elect Ron Paul.
Form as 'ONE' when compelled

[Dan Klaus]

If anyone posts a new thread with a depressing negative loser-mindset ....

DO NOT RESPOND

... vote 1 star then move on.

There are agent provocateurs and disinformation pros who generally use the same techniques:

1. divide and conquer - provoke discord and negativity to "unfocus" your efforts

2. FUD - Fear Uncertainty and Doubt - oldest lamest method on the 'net - may not work as well as it used to...

3. Attack the messenger - personal attacks in place of honest debate



Since checking this thread - there have been at least 2 to 3 really bad ideas posted that fall within this description....I fear plants are working hard to disunite us...

[boethius27]

I know I'm new and I don't spend every waking hour reading every new post so as not to be considered (gasp!.. a troll) and this makes me instantly discredited, but you should be welcoming all the newbies you can and not shunning their ideas that might not fit with your own as to how things should be done.

Make people feel welcome. It is a freedom revolution for all who desire to set our government onto a better path than its current one.

Vote Ron Paul!!!!!

[hueylong]

We're not trying to keep out newbies. Everyone is welcome.

But new posters with destructive ideas should be watched for. They're called "Trolls" -- and we've seen a lot of them.

Huey

[bucfish]

Beware of all Ideas and always take a minute to think about it and its consequences before you react!!!

[Ron Paul Fan]

I know I'm new and I don't spend every waking hour reading every new post so as not to be considered (gasp!.. a troll) and this makes me instantly discredited, but you should be welcoming all the newbies you can and not shunning their ideas that might not fit with your own as to how things should be done.

Make people feel welcome. It is a freedom revolution for all who desire to set our government onto a better path than its current one.

Vote Ron Paul!!!!!

I agree. Ideas should be judged on their merit, not who's posting them. If newbies post bad ideas, they should be dealt with. If established members post bad ideas(and i've seen my fair share of these) they should be dealt with. We should be welcoming people like boethius said. Not shunning them and assuming that all newbies are trolls and out to bring down the campaign! Freedom means a big tent of ideas from people all across the country! Vote Ron Paul!!!!!

[fj45lvr]

Think what you want to about people that want LIBERTY....I know that there was an element of colonists that didn't want to raise arms to fight for it.

It's great if it doesn't come down to that again (as our forefathers allowed provisions for) but I for one am not optimistic that mere "sign waving" and "letter writing" is going to dethrone the tyrants and enemies of the Constitution that are thriving.

Paul has already stated that it took "brave colonists" to achieve the Constitutional government we used to have. When I hear people talk down on force it makes my stomach turn as it is not giving the respect and honor that was deserved by people willing to draw the line in the sand and back it up with the ultimate sacrafice for the FUTURE and self-determination.

When people are stealing from you (which they are) I don't think it is too much to expect that fighting back to protect yourself is the normal course of events (but alas the founders already stated that it was more likely for people to continue under abuses than to "throw off" tyrants).

[dvictr]

too many newbies are too lost in socialism... CENTRAL planning is bad

[Paulbot_9876]

i thought rp supporters was terrorists????? you mean we are not?????? the media says different...... does it matter what anyone really says????? it is free speech is not???? ignore someone if they say something negative.....is it really that fu!@ing hard to do for some of you??? i would question who are actually the ones feeding this behavior by commenting on them... if your dumb enough to take the bait... your just as guilty.... everyone is their own.... do what you want..... but like rp said....there is blow back from negative action.....

[Leroy_Jenkems]

I've noticed some BAD ideas and posts by members within the past 2-3 weeks...definitely a few 'moles' in our presence...

[born2drv]

It looks like we're getting a lot of new registrants who are making REALLY BAD suggestions.
Huey


Does that include YOU, nooob? Stop pissing on everyone's threads.

[Thor]

Think what you want to about people that want LIBERTY....I know that there was an element of colonists that didn't want to raise arms to fight for it.

It's great if it doesn't come down to that again (as our forefathers allowed provisions for) but I for one am not optimistic that mere "sign waving" and "letter writing" is going to dethrone the tyrants and enemies of the Constitution that are thriving.

Paul has already stated that it took "brave colonists" to achieve the Constitutional government we used to have. When I hear people talk down on force it makes my stomach turn as it is not giving the respect and honor that was deserved by people willing to draw the line in the sand and back it up with the ultimate sacrafice for the FUTURE and self-determination.

When people are stealing from you (which they are) I don't think it is too much to expect that fighting back to protect yourself is the normal course of events (but alas the founders already stated that it was more likely for people to continue under abuses than to "throw off" tyrants).


+1

[Castrensis]

I was thinking about this exact subject yesterday. Specifically the calls by many to get off the computer & start talking to people, & generally our heavy internet presence. The internet has been our greatest weapon against the censorship by the MSM & garnering support for RP while it has also become a liability.

The relative anonymity of the internet allows anyone to label themselves an RP supporter, espousing a rhetoric & actions clearly unsupported by RP's platform or history. These acts of aspersion against RP & his supporters are easily supported by an essentially universal & quasi-anonymous communication system. Our heavy internet presence also gives the opposition instant access to a large portion of our support base; with a few APs strategically involved in various online centers it is possible to cause dispersion in the movement.

However - physically - we are geographically dispersed but ideologically united as well as being suspicious of the MSM. As a large nation it is nearly impossible to control the populace without a centralized media, strictly controlled or censored. Since we are no longer convinced of the veracity of the evening news (hell, any news for that matter) we are not cowed by the propagandists on the MSM. Given these factors the opposition has very little opportunity to coerce an ideological assimilation of a neoconservative agenda amongst us. When they are unable to coerce the movement there remains only one means of efficient subversion: infiltrating & dismembering the revolution via the internet.

Anyhow, just random thoughts.

[Duckman]

I still think people are too quick to decide that anyone with a differing opinion is a plant or a shill.

Personally, I think if if someone suggested bringing down the Fox News feed, that person probably just saw V for Vendetta a few too many times.

[SeanEdwards]

It looks like we're getting a lot of new registrants who are making REALLY BAD suggestions.

Trying to block the Fox News broadcast feed, or attack the New Hampshire Republican Party -- ridiculous and destructive!!!

When we see these incendiary posts trying to make the grassroots get behind something really really stupid -- please take a moment to check how long this person has been registered, and how many posts they have made.

That alone isn't a determinative factor -- but it should give you some idea how vested a person really is in the revolution.

Otherwise -- CHILL PEOPLE! We're advancing steadily, building on a firm foundation -- and on our way to righting the American ship of state.

Go, RP!!

Huey

Wow, it sure would be tragic if somebody sabotaged the Fox satellite uplink from their forum bus right as the poser candidates were gathering for their circle jerk session. What a tragedy that would be. I think I'd be moved to tears if that happened.

[WilliamC]

Wow, it sure would be tragic if somebody sabotaged the Fox satellite uplink from their forum bus right as the poser candidates were gathering for their circle jerk session. What a tragedy that would be. I think I'd be moved to tears if that happened.

Especially if it were linked to Ron Paul and served to further discredit him in the eyes of the average American voter, right?.

If individuals or groups want to do illegal things it's hard to stop them, unless they are stupid and broadcast their plans on public forums. But I suspect that no honest supporter would do anything to damage Ron Paul's chances of becoming President.

Agitators and agent provocaturs from other campaigns might.

[thoughtbombing]

My post was edited and an INFRACTION given, and I didn't insult a damn person here... pathetic, so I removed ONE WORD and am reposting in it's exact form. MODS: next time you disagree with what I say, don't edit me. DELETE MY POST. You don't edit my text to change the context of what I am saying. CONTENT, yes... but you removed the entire point and left a little flacid argument that basically was a FOX NEWS version of an Mahmoud speech... I thought this place was beyond that level of censorship... my point was this...


How long was Trevor Lyman a supporter before the 5th of November? Not very long if you believe the story that gets published about him over and over and over and over... support is support, stupid ideas are stupid ideas. I've read just as many stupid ideas from people who had been supporting since day one as I did from newbies.

Eric Dondero was with Ron Paul back in his congressional race days, so I suppose he's the best source to get Ron Paul elected? That type of thinking is fallacy. There are terrible ideas from all sides, be they new or old! I've been to meetup groups where new supporters were the most vocal, had the best ideas and were the loudest and most enthusiastic while standing out there waving signs. I think what you have is a bunch of people who are "new christian" about their Ron Paul support and are trying to convert the entire population in a day. Who isn't guilty of this when they first have their spiritual or political awakening?

Also, there are some people here with very high post counts who could be classified as crazy as hell, and shills for Rudy and the Neocons. No need to name names, you can judge them based on their substance, not the post count.

In short, don't look at post count to determine these things--you look at the content of the post. Otherwise, you're going to miss a lot of stupidity and focus on new people who may just be overzealous. Newbies can be talked down--it's the people who think they know what they are doing that shoot themselves in the foot... and sometimes that foot belongs to Ron Paul!