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FreedomLover
01-01-2008, 01:07 PM
Road to Nowhere (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/opinion/01brooks.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)


The most impressive thing about Mitt Romney is his clarity of mind. When he set out to pursue his party’s nomination, he studied the contours of the Republican coalition and molded himself to its forms.

Earnestly and methodically, he has appealed to each of the major constituency groups. For national security conservatives, he vowed to double the size of the prison at Guantánamo Bay. For social conservatives, he embraced a culture war against the faithless. For immigration skeptics, he swung so far right he earned the endorsement of Tom Tancredo.

He has spent roughly $80 million, including an estimated $17 million of his own money, hiring consultants, blanketing the airwaves and building an organization that is unmatched on the Republican side.

And he has turned himself into the party’s fusion candidate. Some of his rivals are stronger among social conservatives. Others are stronger among security conservatives, but no candidate has a foot in all camps the way Romney does. No candidate offends so few, or is the acceptable choice of so many.

And that is why Romney is at the fulcrum of the Republican race. He’s looking strong in Iowa and is the only candidate who can afford to lose an important state and still win the nomination. (I don't know about that ;) )

And yet as any true conservative can tell you, the sort of rational planning Mitt Romney embodies never works. The world is too complicated and human reason too limited. The PowerPoint mentality always fails to anticipate something. It always yields unintended consequences.

And what Romney failed to anticipate is this: In turning himself into an old-fashioned, orthodox Republican, he has made himself unelectable in the fall. When you look inside his numbers, you see tremendous weaknesses.

For example, Romney is astoundingly unpopular among young voters. Last month, the Harris Poll asked Republicans under 30 whom they supported. Romney came in fifth, behind Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain and Ron Paul. Romney had 7 percent support, a virtual tie with Tancredo. He does only a bit better among those aged 30 to 42.

Romney is also quite unpopular among middle- and lower-middle class voters. In poll after poll, he leads among Republicans making more than $75,000 a year. He does poorly among those who make less.

If Romney is the general election candidate, he will face hostility from independent voters, who value authenticity. He will face hostility from Hispanic voters, who detest his new immigration positions. He will face great hostility in the media. Even conservative editorialists at places like The Union Leader in New Hampshire and The Boston Herald find his flip-flopping offensive.

But his biggest problem is a failure of imagination. Market research is a snapshot of the past. With his data-set mentality, Romney has chosen to model himself on a version of Republicanism that is receding into memory. As Walter Mondale was the last gasp of the fading New Deal coalition, Romney has turned himself into the last gasp of the Reagan coalition.

That coalition had its day, but it is shrinking now. The Republican Party is more unpopular than at any point in the past 40 years. Democrats have a 50 to 36 party identification advantage, the widest in a generation. The general public prefers Democratic approaches on health care, corruption, the economy and Iraq by double-digit margins. Republicans’ losses have come across the board, but the G.O.P. has been hemorrhaging support among independent voters. Surveys from the Pew Research Center and The Washington Post, Kaiser Foundation and Harvard University show that independents are moving away from the G.O.P. on social issues, globalization and the roles of religion and government.

If any Republican candidate is going to win this year, he will have to offer a new brand of Republicanism. But Romney has tied himself to the old brand. He is unresponsive to the middle-class anxiety that Huckabee is tapping into. He has forsaken the trans-partisan candor that McCain represents. Romney, the cautious consultant, is pivoting to stress his corporate competence, and is rebranding himself as an Obama-esque change agent, but he will never make the sort of daring break that independent voters will demand if they are going to give the G.O.P. another look.

The leaders of the Republican coalition know Romney will lose. But some would rather remain in control of a party that loses than lose control of a party that wins. Others haven’t yet suffered the agony of defeat, and so are not yet emotionally ready for the trauma of transformation. Others still simply don’t know which way to turn.

And so the burden of change will be thrust on primary voters over the next few weeks. Romney is a decent man with some good fiscal and economic policies. But in this race, he has run like a manager, not an entrepreneur. His triumph this month would mean a Democratic victory in November.


I thought this sentence was the most interesting: "If any Republican candidate is going to win this year, he will have to offer a new brand of Republicanism."

How about Real Republicanism? We haven't seen that in years.

Mike S.
01-01-2008, 01:12 PM
Yes, Ron Paul is the man.
Unfortunately, some of our biggest opposition comes from among republicans.
The "machine" will not get RP elected because the "machine" is not willing. It will only be by an unprecedented grassroots effort by a coalition of small-government republicans, new voters, and party crossovers will this happen.

UtahApocalypse
01-01-2008, 01:15 PM
But some would rather remain in control of a party that loses than lose control of a party that wins.

The Neo-Cons want to remain in control no matter the cost.

FreedomLover
01-01-2008, 01:18 PM
The Neo-Cons want to remain in control no matter the cost.

There was a guy here who had dinner with some GOP official that said the leadership wanted a rockefeller northeasterner republican like romney or giuliani to win.

weatherbill
01-01-2008, 01:27 PM
when you think ablout it....this is all out war....... it may put on a democratic face, but underneath, viciousness and rage are there. The Neocons are playing desperately....... there's no chance for any GOP candidate to win accept Ron Paul. 70% of american are against the war....these non paul GOP supporters are in for a rood awakening if it's anyone other than Ron Paul that gets the party's nomination........bunch of dumb non thinking people....hopefully, we get a massive ice or snow storm hitting the northern states to keep the old folks at home and not out voting in the primaries.....the kind of ron paul supporter would dance in the snow to go vote for Ron Paul. In this way, we are assured a win in those early states.....BTW, I need to check the IOWA weather...later

weatherbill
01-01-2008, 01:28 PM
There was a guy here who had dinner with some GOP official that said the leadership wanted a rockefeller northeasterner republican like romney or giuliani to win.

that's becasue part of their plan is the NAU, so don't want a immigration problematic state winner with promises to cregulate the border.

Cleaner44
01-01-2008, 01:32 PM
Isn't it revealing that Neocons that pretend to be Republicans would rather have Hillary win than Ron Paul?

tsetsefly
01-01-2008, 01:36 PM
That coalition had its day, but it is shrinking now. The Republican Party is more unpopular than at any point in the past 40 years. Democrats have a 50 to 36 party identification advantage, the widest in a generation. The general public prefers Democratic approaches on health care, corruption, the economy and Iraq by double-digit margins. Republicans’ losses have come across the board, but the G.O.P. has been hemorrhaging support among independent voters. Surveys from the Pew Research Center and The Washington Post, Kaiser Foundation and Harvard University show that independents are moving away from the G.O.P. on social issues, globalization and the roles of religion and government.

This is true and its because they republicans have come into government as the party that represents smaller government, they have been anything but, unfortunately people think that smaller government has failed without realizing that the republicans haven't practiced smaller government in years...

smartpeople4ronpaul
01-01-2008, 02:14 PM
Road to Nowhere (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/opinion/01brooks.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)



I thought this sentence was the most interesting: "If any Republican candidate is going to win this year, he will have to offer a new brand of Republicanism."

How about Real Republicanism? We haven't seen that in years.

Yes!

Naraku
01-01-2008, 03:23 PM
I made similar comments about why he won't win, but I also direct it towards his support. The truth is, Romney has no base and is merely a candidate of convenience for those who don't know who to vote for and aren't able to take a principled stand on another candidate.

I think that ultimately means they probably won't even turn out to support him or vote for him but go to someone else and there's plenty of divying up to do. Some might go for Giuliani or McCain on national security, I think McCain has a good chance to pick up a lot of them, Huckabee can get some and of course Ron Paul can get some from people who feel uncomfortable about Giuliani's social liberalism and Huckabee's fiscal leftism.

McCain is a bit of a worry because he has what Huckabee and Giuliani each lack. He's tough on national security and socially conservative. He makes a good alternative for many unnderinformed voters.

Mitt Romney is going to seriously disappoint mark my words. He may even get a mere fourth in Iowa, perhaps even fifth.