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ratsbew
12-31-2007, 08:41 PM
Do you like George Bush? Maybe I am a freak of nature who supports both Bush and Ron Paul.

constitutional
12-31-2007, 08:41 PM
Totally irrelevant to grassroots effort. :(

I don't like Bush for misleading the American people. I'd understand if he failed at the war and at the same time was honest to American people about everything. Wait... if he were honest, they'd be no war in Iraq.

Jeremy
12-31-2007, 08:42 PM
As a man or a president?

MayTheRonBeWithYou
12-31-2007, 08:42 PM
I like him, but I don't like his policies.

IChooseLiberty
12-31-2007, 08:42 PM
Uhhhh. I think he should be put to trial for war crimes much like Hitler was after WWII for starting premptive wars.



So.... No. I don't like him so much.

Ron Paul Fan
12-31-2007, 08:43 PM
Absolutely not. I hate George Bush.

ratsbew
12-31-2007, 08:43 PM
As a man or a president?
As a whole.

Joe3113
12-31-2007, 08:45 PM
Do you like George Bush? Maybe I am a freak of nature who supports both Bush and Ron Paul.

Do you have a split personality or are you just a demented?


Here is your friend Bush pushing along the NAU agenda...

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/Curlz31/Capture4.jpg

FreedomLover
12-31-2007, 08:45 PM
This isn't grassroots, but I honestly don't think Bush is a bad guy.

Shavenyak
12-31-2007, 08:46 PM
GWB is the most dangerous president America has seen. Suspension of Habeas Corpus, patriot act, and martial law declarations have SERIOUSLY eroded the rights of the people. The president has more power now than he has EVER had. He can shut the entire country down under martial law on the last day of his presidency.

So, no, not so much of the Bush love in my home.

constitutional
12-31-2007, 08:46 PM
This isn't grassroots, but I honestly don't think Bush is a bad guy.

How do you come to conclusion of "he isn't bad"?

Jeremy
12-31-2007, 08:47 PM
GWB is the most dangerous president America has seen. Suspension of Habeas Corpus, patriot act, and martial law declarations have SERIOUSLY eroded the rights of the people. The president has more power now than he has EVER had. He can shut the entire country down under martial law on the last day of his presidency.

So, no, not so much of the Bush love in my home.

Don't be naive... we've had worse.

IChooseLiberty
12-31-2007, 08:47 PM
Not to mention he has practically bankrupted this country, DESTROYED our international spy network, eroded our civil liberties, and single-handedly destroyed the traditionally conservative republican party allllll for his and his friend's personal gain.... I think he should be put to trial in this country for treason.

Ron Paul Fan
12-31-2007, 08:48 PM
I guess two people here support a preemptive invasion of another country, spying on American citizens, the Patriot Act, the prescription drug bill, anything else? Not sure how you can support both, and obviously the majority of people here agree! Bush is a neo-con!

forsmant
12-31-2007, 08:49 PM
I like partial bush. Too, bushy and you come up with a mouth full of short curlies. Stubble is the worst. Shaved is high maintenance.

celticsman7
12-31-2007, 08:49 PM
I wouldn't mind having dinner with him or attending a BBQ with him, but as a president, I think he's done a very poor job. It's not that he's a bad guy (even though his policies are terrible), it's just he isn't smart enough to be successful as a president.

Joe3113
12-31-2007, 08:50 PM
This isn't grassroots, but I honestly don't think Bush is a bad guy.

No, he's just an idiot puppet who takes instructions from the neocons......so I guess that is true

forsmant
12-31-2007, 08:50 PM
Don't be naive... we've had worse.

Lincoln was a bad president. 600,000 dead Americans under his watch.

Airborn
12-31-2007, 08:50 PM
haha, i hate bush. BUT about once a week i listen to some of his funny speeches on youtube, just for a hardcore laugh.

"the left hand, nows knows what the right hand is doing"

Jeremy
12-31-2007, 08:55 PM
Lincoln was a bad president. 600,000 dead Americans under his watch.

Not what I meant... but there's got to be at least 20 presidents who were worse than GWB.

Dr.3D
12-31-2007, 09:02 PM
He is a bloody traitor!

ChickenHawk
12-31-2007, 09:03 PM
Bush has been a disappointing president to say the least. Most of my positive feelings for him probably are a result of the demagoguery from the "Bush lied people died" crowd. It reminds me of the people who made up all kinds of crap about Bill Clinton and discredited those of us who had legitimate disagreements with him. Bush Derangement Syndrome sufferers where probably why I voted for Bush in 2004.

I'm not saying that Bush didn't bring a lot of this on himself through his policies and actions but that doesn't make demagoguery right.

forsmant
12-31-2007, 09:03 PM
Not what I meant... but there's got to be at least 20 presidents who were worse than GWB.

Woodrow Wilson
Abraham Lincoln
George Walker Bush
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Lydon Johnson
Richard Nixon
Bill Clinton

realitywiz
12-31-2007, 09:09 PM
George W. Bush is a traitor. :mad:

user
12-31-2007, 09:15 PM
Only 81% say no right now? I expected it to be higher.

worldtruthfreedom
12-31-2007, 09:26 PM
It's not a matter of hating or liking the guy.

He and his administration are directly responsible for the deaths of 100,000s of innocent Iraqis - a country that never attacked the U.S

I don't know how he sleeps at night.

merrimac
12-31-2007, 11:49 PM
I made the following video about Bush (it's on ronpaul2008.com)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX-FiXTgKFo

I hate his guts.

Noleader
12-31-2007, 11:56 PM
I voted for Bush in 2000 (whole small government thing and what not, that he ran on). I voted for Kerry in 2004 because Bush turned out to be such a mess, atleast imo. This year I vote for Paul and if he does not win the Primary I think I will give my vote to the dems just to stick it to the Repubs for screawing Paul as much as they did. If Paul runs third party I will vote for him in the general election.

Alex Libman
01-01-2008, 12:00 AM
Where's the opinion for "I'd give up 50 years of my life to see Bush and all his supporters skinned alive and boiled in Tabasco sauce"?

Seriously, no one in their right mind supported Bush, especially in 2004! Which needless to say completely discredits the MSM "likely republican voter" polls! The overwhelming majority of Ron Paul supporters cannot possibly be polled!

mosquitobite
01-01-2008, 12:10 AM
I don't hate the man since I was taught hate is a strong word.

I do dislike many of his policies and what he has done to damage the GOP.

I don't like many politicians though. ;) It doesn't end all with just Bush.

electronicmaji
01-01-2008, 12:50 AM
Woodrow Wilson
Abraham Lincoln
George Walker Bush
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Lydon Johnson
Richard Nixon
Bill Clinton

Bill Clinton was hardly a bad president. He made a mistake or two but he didn't specifically lie when he ran. He had a balanced budget for the first time in nearly 50 years of presidency. It goes without saying he was probably one of the best if not the best president of the past 50 years...

RedLightning
01-01-2008, 12:51 AM
I don't hate, him. But I sure don't like him.

Fox McCloud
01-01-2008, 02:12 AM
I don't like his policies, I don't like his pride, I don't like the things he has done, and I don't like his "I'm always right" type mentality.

I'd say that if he wasn't born into globalist elite family, and wasn't spoiled, he probably would have been a pretty good guy; he does have a bit of a sense of humor.....sadly, it's obvious his father's ways corrupted him, eventually.

another day...another age, he could have been another Ron Paul.

I don't "hate" the man, I just really really really don't like him at ALL.

yoAdrian
01-01-2008, 03:26 AM
I would look at it this way. There is 3800+ of our men and woman and 100,000+ iraqs civilians dead on a lie and this shithead jokes about wmds. He has run every company he has owned into the ground the last one being an oil company that the saudi family pitch in money to save it for him. When asked to serve his daddy stuck him into a champagne unit in the states then swift boated karry who did serve. He called our constitution " just a god dam piece of paper". He said to hell with habeas corpus. He has been tapping our phone lines and emails prior to 911. To hell with Americans victims of a flood he has the war of our life time to fight with only 140,000 troops and this great country of ours has turned yellow over a couple of thousand guys who SAY they will attack us lololol. He uses terrorism on us citizens just to steal our money and so on and so on, and you ask if i like him. He is a cowboy who can not ride a horse and buys a farm to act like he is and you still have idiots out there who like and even love this piece of shit. I Would have him hung from the White house steps a long time ago and a few more to keep him company for treason and let valery plain hold the rope, and this is coming from a Marine.

Andrew-Austin
01-01-2008, 03:40 AM
As a man or a president?

You seriously had to ask that? What difference does it make, he sucks horribly at being a man and president.

ronpaulblogsdotcom
01-01-2008, 03:44 AM
I would look at it this way. There is 3800+ of our men and woman and 100,000+ iraqs civilians dead on a lie and this shithead jokes about wmds. He has run every company he has owned into the ground the last one being an oil company that the saudi family pitch in money to save it for him. When asked to serve his daddy stuck him into a champagne unit in the states then swift boated karry who did serve. He called our constitution " just a god dam piece of paper". He said to hell with habeas corpus. He has been tapping our phone lines and emails prior to 911. To hell with Americans victims of a flood he has the war of our life time to fight with only 140,000 troops and this great country of ours has turned yellow over a couple of thousand guys who SAY they will attack us lololol. He uses terrorism on us citizens just to steal our money and so on and so on, and you ask if i like him. He is a cowboy who can not ride a horse and buys a farm to act like he is and you still have idiots out there who like and even love this piece of shit. I Would have him hung from the White house steps a long time ago and a few more to keep him company for treason and let valery plain hold the rope, and this is coming from a Marine.

QFT and I think it is closer to 500,000 Iraqis. We paid our taxes, some of us have gone to war to commit a small holocaust and give oil companies record profits. Yea!

Dave Pedersen
01-01-2008, 03:53 AM
Amazing.. amazing.. that people still don't get it.

Here. At the Ron Paul forum so many really think Ron Paul is the best choice of many valid choices? I know no one said it and that's fine but for those who do not despise Bush I say:

Learn the facts.

Learn.. learn the FACTS and face the facts.

*************

By the way I voted for the filthy murdering traitorous scumbag so don't think I have a proclivity towards socialism.

Kingfisher
01-01-2008, 06:18 AM
Uhhhh. I think he should be put to trial for war crimes much like Hitler was after WWII for starting premptive wars.



So.... No. I don't like him so much.

Correct!!!.....Although George only does what he is told.

Kingfisher
01-01-2008, 06:24 AM
I think we have made a greater move toward Fascism during the Bush regime than in any other..............But Bush is just a mouthpiece.

Meadophile
01-01-2008, 06:40 AM
Can't stand him.

Thomas Paine
01-01-2008, 07:58 AM
I'm a lifelong conservative Republican, former executive member of the College Republicans at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, former congressional campaign manager for a current Republican member of Congress from Michigan, and a current member of a county GOP executive committee in Michigan. I regretfully admit that I voted for President Bush II in both 2000 and 2004.

President Bush has doubled, if not tripled, the national debt in his mere 8 years in office, which will bankrupt this nation according to David Walker according to the linked article below. Bush expanded federal entitlements via the Medicare Prescription Act, which will bankrupt Medicare in less than 10 years. Bush expanded unfunded federal mandates via the No Child Left Behind Act. Bush never vetoed a single spending bill from Congress until after the Democrats won nominal control of both Houses of Congress.

For all of Bush's tough talk about the War on Terror, I believe history will prove that Bush has been the most incompetent commander in chief since President Madison in the War of 1812 when the British destroyed Washington DC. Finally, Bush's foreign policy is nothing more than an armed crusade for spreading democracy throughout the world, which is completely contrary to the original intent of the Founding Fathers.

I hope to make amends for my past sins of helping to elect President Bush to the White House by helping to elect Dr. Ron Paul to the Presidency.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f98a1f4e-4fef-11dc-a6b0-0000779fd2ac,dwp_uuid=1903fc22-a717-11dc-a25a-0000779fd2ac.html

Eponym_mi
01-01-2008, 08:27 AM
I depise Bush and think the only thing saving him from a lynch mob is Darth Cheney. Absolutely one of the worst presidents in all time. Ranks near Nixon and LBJ

forsmant
01-01-2008, 08:38 AM
Bill Clinton was hardly a bad president. He made a mistake or two but he didn't specifically lie when he ran. He had a balanced budget for the first time in nearly 50 years of presidency. It goes without saying he was probably one of the best if not the best president of the past 50 years...

Bosnia, Somalia, Sudan. He had a shot at Bin Laden and never took it.

NAFTA, GATT

Truth Warrior
01-01-2008, 08:42 AM
FWIW ......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents

forsmant
01-01-2008, 08:48 AM
Lincoln took a dump on the Constitution and 600,000 Amreicans died. If that makes you number one, then I don't know.

Matt Collins
01-01-2008, 09:16 AM
Woodrow Wilson
Abraham Lincoln
George Walker Bush
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Lydon Johnson
Richard Nixon
Bill Clinton
Don't forget to add Teddy to that list.

Matt Collins
01-01-2008, 09:18 AM
I like partial bush. Too, bushy and you come up with a mouth full of short curlies. Stubble is the worst. Shaved is high maintenance.

You stole my thunder.

I like things natural but honestly I don't have enough experience to know what I like one way or another.





Since Ron Paul is an OB/GYN he was asked whether or not he likes Bush, Ron just simply responded "BUSH JUST GETS IN THE WAY" :D




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truelies
01-01-2008, 09:42 AM
Do you like George Bush? Maybe I am a freak of nature who supports both Bush and Ron Paul.

I would be fastinated to hear your Logic here.

truelies
01-01-2008, 09:56 AM
The thing that pisses me most is that I was actually Dumb enough to brawl in the streets for W (during those weeks when the 2000 Election was waiting on the SC to select a Prez) only to realise over the next 5 years that he was a worse Prez than either Klintoon was or Al Gore would have been. It has since become fairly obvious that most elite repubs and near all elite dems are in fact factions of the same Unity Party which is guiding America to a totalatarian future by means of endless 1984 style war- WOT or War on Global Warming - the Goal is the same CONTROLLING THE MASSES THRU FEAR and using the excuse of War to suppress/destroy dissent.

Trance Dance Master
01-01-2008, 10:29 AM
I like Bush. The Zionists expected him to follow their agenda, and that he did, yet he has a long history of ruining everything he gets put in charge of. If Bush didn't screw things up so bad, the country wouldn't be desperate enough for the truth to appreciate and support a Ron Paul presidency.

http://alaric3rh.home.sprynet.com/science/bceo.html

The Failed Corporate Record of
George W. Bush

Several researchers have investigated the business history of the Bush family. The facts that they have uncovered are not very pretty. The business record of George W. Bush holds some revealing insights to how his presidency has operated, and helps to explain why the country has fallen so deeply in debt and has so many other problems.

As explained by Kevin Phillips in his book, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush, George W. Bush's businesses fail but he makes millions. Among Mr. Bush's business ventures:

* Arbusto, an oil exploration company, lost money, but it got considerable investments (nearly $5 million) because even losing oil investments were useful as tax shelters.
* Spectrum 7 Energy Corp. bought out Arbusto in 1984 and hired Mr. Bush to run the company's oil interests in Midland, Texas. The oil business collapsed as oil prices plummeted by 1986, and Spectrum 7 Energy was near failure.
* Harken Energy acquired Mr. Bush's Spectrum 7 Energy shares, and he got Harken shares, a directorship, and a consulting arrangement in return. Harken, under Bush, brought in Saudi real estate tycoon Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh as a board member and a major investor. Over the next few years, Harken would turn out to have links to: Saudi money, CIA-connected Filipinos, the Harvard Endowment, the emir of Bahrain, and the shadowy Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
o A 1991 internal SEC document suggested George W. Bush violated federal securities law at least 4 times in the late 1980s and early 1990s in selling Harken stock while serving as a director of Harken. This is essentially the same kind of activity that Martha Stewart is going to prison over. Except at the time of the investigation, Mr. Bush's father was president and the case was quietly dropped.

In his book, Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush, John W. Dean explains that his family name and his father's prominence were significant factors in George W. Bush's business "success", or, were significant factors in repeated saves from serious business and financial failures. Both Arbusto/Bush Exploration and Spectrum 7 failed with Bush as chairman and CEO. At Harken, Mr. Bush was relieved of day-to-day management responsibilities but still served on the board of directors. Dean also notes:

* George W. Bush claims his formative years, which he extends to age 40, are out of bounds. Yet those are the years when one's character and values are formed. Bush had occasionally overindulged with alcohol, and he was a bit of an irresponsible youth.
* Dean believes Mr. Bush took advantage of his insider information when he sold his Harken stock in 1990, but he escaped SEC penalties because his father was president and many of the investigating officials had Bush family ties and other conflicts of interest. Many of the facts about the Harken deal remain buried and Bush has stonewalled all efforts to find out more.

Our first oil company/MBA president naturally views the world through the eyes of a CEO, according to Eric Alterman and Mark Green. In their book, The Book on Bush: How George W. (Mis)leads America, they describe how this results in a probusiness/anticonsumer record, including crony capitalism with the awarding of post-Iraq war contracts (Halliburton, Bechtel, and MCI/Worldcom getting most of the contracts). Alterman and Green note that the first 2 years of the Bush administration coincided with the biggest corporate scandals and bankruptcies since Teapot Dome in the 1920s. Mr. Bush had to manage a falling economy riddled with corporate malfeasance. Companies on the corporate rap sheet:

* MCI/Worldcom -- the single largest corporate securities fraud in U.S. history.
* Enron -- the largest contributor to Bush's political career. The Bush administration is staffed with numerous former Enron employees and consultants.
* Harken Energy -- Bush's behavior on Harken's board of directors was similar to that of the companies caught in the corporate scandals. Mr. Bush received several memos from Harken officials about the impending financial crisis in the company, sold his stock, then several days later the Harken financial problems wewre made public. He failed to file notice of these sales to the SEC for 8 months. The SEC simply stopped their 1990-91 investigation.
* Halliburton -- Dick Cheney served as CEO and chairman from 1995-2000. He sold Halliburton stock before bad financial news regarding his company was made public. Halliburton committed fraud on its investors by overstating its earnings.
* Enron and Worldcom were followed by scandals and failures at Adelphia, Tyco, and others.

As he did to his unsuccessful businesses, George W. Bush is doing to the country -- leading it down a path of failure:

* huge federal deficits
* mismanagement
* deception
* cronyism.

The Bush family has had financial and oil business ties with Middle Eastern countries for decades. As explained by Kevin Phillips in his 2004 book, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush:

* "no other political family in the United States has had anything remotely resembling the Bushes' four-decade relationship with the Saudi royal family and the oil sheikhs of the Persion Gulf" (page 315).
* The investment firm, The Carlyle Group, is run by the Bush crowd (George H.W. Bush, James Baker III, and Frank Carlucci have been/are its top managers and advisers). The Carlyle Group served as an interface between these Bush characters and the Saudi bin Laden family. "Some commentators felt that some connections between the bin Ladens and their black-sheep relative (Osama bin Laden) persisted" (page 315). This connection directly links George W. Bush to Al Quaeda and leads to the logical question: In spite of the president's rhetoric, are Mr. Bush and Osama actually working together? Could that be why Osama bin Laden hasn't been caught?
* "Greg Palast (asked) 'What made this new president [George W. Bush] take particular care to protect the Saudis (after the September 11 terrorist attack), even to the point of stymieing his own intelligence agencies?' The answers, he said, kept coming back 'Carlyle' and 'Arbusto,' the two prominent interfaces between the finances of the Bush family and those of the bin Laden family" (page 316).
* The Bush administration demanded major deletions (especially in the 28-page section dealing with the role played by the Saudis and other foreign governments) in the 2003 joint report of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees on the origins of the 9/11 attack and how it might have been prevented (page 316).

Kevin Phillips comes to a frightening conclusion about the Bushes and America in his book on page 330:

* Mr. Bush's main advisor, Karl Rove, is an avid reader of Machiavelli. Machiavelli wrote his books, The Prince and The Discourses, during the early sixteenth century at a time when his own Florentine republic was undergoing political turmoil. "French, German, and Spanish imperial power was overrunning Europe, including Italy, through a scale of wealth and military capacity that doomed many of the old city-states. Florence (Machiavelli's home), one such, surrendered its republican status in the 1530s and took the Medici as hereditary rulers. ... the advice Machiavelli gives in The Prince was dedicated to the Medicis and designed to work in the new princely, aristocratic, and neo-imperial milieu of 16th-century Italy."
* "The possibility that the United States could edge toward its own Machiavellian moment in an early-21st-century milieu of terrorism, neo-imperialism, and dynastization is not far-fetched."
o "Chapter 4, in its discussion of Bush domestic policy and 'compassionate conservative' rhetoric, has already referred to Machiavelli's advice that the Prince should lie but must 'be able to disguise this character well, and to be a great feigner and dissembler.' Moreover, 'to see and hear him, he [the Prince] should seem to be all mercy, faith, integrity, humanity and religion. And nothing is more necessary than to seem to have this last quality. ... Everybody sees what you appear to be, few feel what you are.'"
o "Other advice dwells on the merits of fraud, hypocrisy, faithlessness, and related practices, and 20th century academicians have noted Machiavelli's appeal to leaders like Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini. Doubtless there are also hundreds of copies of The Prince at the CIA. Which makes it revealing, and arguably ill advised, that the two political advisers to the two Bush presidents should claim it as a bible of sorts."
o "Even in religion, Machiavelli's advice to emphasize it is relevant to the early-21st-century United States. His career in Florence overlapped that of Friar Girolamo Savonarola, the Religious despot who ruled the gasping republic from 1494 to 1498 with a politics of fighting sin and immorality. Doubtless the youthful Machiavelli absorbed how close Savonarola came to achieving a theocracy even in republican Florence. Not a few Americans see a little bit of Savonarola in George W. Bush."
o "The advent of a Machiavelli-inclined dynasty (the Bush dynasty) in what may be a Machiavellian Moment for the American Republic is not a happy coincidence, but one that demands attention."

Mesogen
01-01-2008, 12:39 PM
Worst. President. Ever.

Discobolus
01-01-2008, 04:07 PM
he's awesome...teevee says that terrorists hate our freedoms so he's systematically taking ours away so they won't attack us again

Triton
01-01-2008, 04:12 PM
Do you like George Bush? Maybe I am a freak of nature who supports both Bush and Ron Paul.No, but you probably are young and inexperienced. Perhaps a bit naive. There is literally no reason to support the fraud, George Bush. None at all. Oh, and BTW, I don't hate anyone. I hate what the cheerleaders on both sides of the aisle have done to our country, but I do not hate the individuals.

OptionsTrader
01-01-2008, 04:14 PM
A better poll question that is targetted at the policy, not the man:

Do you support George W. Bush's policy of disregard for the U.S. constitution in favor of security over liberty?

OptionsTrader
01-01-2008, 04:15 PM
he's awesome...teevee says that terrorists hate our freedoms so he's systematically taking ours away so they won't attack us again

DON'T VOTE FOR RON PAUL (satire)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK-QR88yfOE

ErikBlack
01-01-2008, 04:15 PM
I don't think Bush is evil. He's just an idiot puppet of the NeoCon establishment. But you can't even really blame him for that. He didn't go out and join the group one day because he thought it was a good thing or wanted world domination. He was born into it so its all he's ever known. One thing I admire about Bush is his ability to take a joke about himself and let criticism roll off his back. "His" policies are bad for the country, but if it wasn't him in the office it would just be someone else and the policies would be the same. Like Ron Paul says, attack the policy, not the person.

PHenry
01-01-2008, 04:20 PM
what an abysmal failure he has been. Not the worst president ever, but bloody awful nonetheless. (did not support the man as Gov of Texas or for President)

PHenry
01-01-2008, 04:23 PM
he's awesome...teevee says that terrorists hate our freedoms so he's systematically taking ours away so they won't attack us again

And doing a bang-up job of it, too!

Naraku
01-01-2008, 04:36 PM
I don't hate Bush, because I don't hate anyone. I also like him as a person and as a President I more or less support him.

I think he's gotten a raw deal overall and people aren't considering what has actually been done and why even the bad stuff is not new. Technically you could be arrested as an enemy combatant and denied rights as far back as World War II and this was actually done, to U.S. citizens no less, with them denied all due process rights then ultimately convicted.

Domestic surveillance without warrants is certainly not new and has been going on pretty much since it became possible. Most of the stuff Bush gets attacked for was actually already being done, he just got caught for it, like Nixon.

However, in spite of all the rhetoric, Bush is not a war-monger and has not shown the same zeal and desire for unilateral conflict as Clinton and Reagan. However, he happened to get the unsuccessful war from it, with the support of Democrats of course, despite all their denials. Essentially I feel like people are blaming Bush for something that should really be blamed on our government and politics as a whole. It's part of what's making Democrats so likely to get absolute power again.

hellah10
01-01-2008, 04:38 PM
I'm a lifelong conservative Republican, former executive member of the College Republicans at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, former congressional campaign manager for a current Republican member of Congress from Michigan, and a current member of a county GOP executive committee in Michigan. I regretfully admit that I voted for President Bush II in both 2000 and 2004.


nice resume

Gaius1981
01-01-2008, 05:14 PM
I find him pretty sympathetic actually, and like Paul I like the platform that he ran on the first time around. I would probably have voted for him both times had I been a US citizen then, as he'd be better than the Democrat alternatives. I *strongly* disapprove of his current politics however.

Brian in Maryland
01-01-2008, 05:19 PM
Bush is a tyrant, the biggest violator of the constitution since Lincoln.

integrity
01-01-2008, 05:24 PM
ohh PRESIDENT bush! I thought you meant love patch bush.... sorry I voted wrong.



The Bush Fortunes : the Best Democracy Money Can Buy (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8187301869971500776)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8187301869971500776

Pharoah
01-01-2008, 06:50 PM
This a Ron Paul forum, not "Schizophrenia Self Help".

Minuteman2008
01-01-2008, 07:31 PM
I hate George Bush, but for other reasons besides the war (even though I have disagreed with him on that from day one). He has completely failed the nation with open borders and an internationalist agenda that the nation may never recover from. The SPP is by far the closest thing to treason that he's done. George Bush is not an American. He is an internationalist, and cares nothing about sovereignty or traditional America. Language, customs and culture mean nothing to globalists like him and Clinton. I think they have deliberately sought to alter the composition of the nation to prepare for the North American Union (and eventually world government).

The country cannot afford another four years of this treason.

PatriotG
01-01-2008, 07:41 PM
A better poll question that is targetted at the policy, not the man:

Do you support George W. Bush's policy of disregard for the U.S. constitution in favor of security over liberty?

I agree ,a better poll question.

And the answer is
NO!

I personally cant wait until he is ousted, and I pray we get RP into office, if not it's GAME OVER.

Anyone else in office will be another 4 or 8 years of the same self destructive policies.

PatriotG