We Are Pissing People Off

[Bergie Bergeron]

Everywhere I go throughout the internet, I now see a lot of people who are really angry at Ron Paul supporters (and thus also Ron Paul). We have to be very careful in how we are acting. While spreading his name recognition and message is good, we are turning away a lot of potential supporters through our actions.

Remember that you are Ron Paul's representative! When you say something, make sure it is intelligent and polite. Incessant "Ron Paul 08!!!" comments, personal attacks on non Ron Paul supporters, rude debating tactics, and the like are EXTREMELY harmful to the campaign. Nobody is going to look into RP after being attacked or seeing a massive amount of nonsensical "Ron Paul wooooo!!!" type comments.

I don't care if they attack you or if they are making ignorant comments. You have to realize that most of these people are just really uninformed and have been conditioned to believe what they do. Just make very clear arguments as to why they are wrong and we could see some results. If we were just polite and thoroughly explained Paul's positions, we would see much more success.

This stuff needs to stop IMMEDIATELY! We cannot afford to be turning this many people off to Ron. If you are tempted to do this sort of stuff, it is better just to not say anything at all.

He has a point.

[DjLoTi]

I think we're (in general) really quite tactful. We can't prevent false-flagging or over-zealous crazies out there. The outside world should be #1 priority, and the internet should just be like the core for all of us involved.

[Bradley in DC]

He has a point.

agreed

[mport1]

Everywhere I go throughout the internet, I now see a lot of people who are really angry at Ron Paul supporters (and thus also Ron Paul). We have to be very careful in how we are acting. While spreading his name recognition and message is good, we are turning away a lot of potential supporters through our actions.

Remember that you are Ron Paul's representative! When you say something, make sure it is intelligent and polite. Incessant "Ron Paul 08!!!" comments, personal attacks on non Ron Paul supporters, rude debating tactics, and the like are EXTREMELY harmful to the campaign. Nobody is going to look into RP after being attacked or seeing a massive amount of nonsensical "Ron Paul wooooo!!!" type comments.

I don't care if they attack you or if they are making ignorant comments. You have to realize that most of these people are just really uninformed and have been conditioned to believe what they do. Just make very clear arguments as to why they are wrong and we could see some results. If we were just polite and thoroughly explained Paul's positions, we would see much more success.

This stuff needs to stop IMMEDIATELY! We cannot afford to be turning this many people off to Ron. If you are tempted to do this sort of stuff, it is better just to not say anything at all.

This has become widespread on the internet and now many people have an extremely negative impression of Ron from the start. We are making needless enemies who are now spending their time to fight us and convince others to do the same. The number of people working against Ron has increased dramatically, but I don't think this is solely based on the fact that we are gaining supporters and are becoming a threat. It is because a lot of people are really annoyed at how we are acting and thus are working to try to smear and discredit Ron Paul.

We know we are right, but we need to convince others of our positions. You have to realize that the average American is so ignorant on economics, the Constitution, and politics. They don't like radical change. Ron goes against everything they have heard for their entire lives and it will take a lot of thoughtful arguments to change their views.

[Bryan]

I agree with DJ-- on the internet it's real easy for Ron Paul haters to pose as annoying supporters. That said, the real supports should not follow this false example.

[klamath]

We know there is a large number of us. The object is to refute bad comments about RP so that when non RP supporters that come across the bad comments can see logical arguments against the comments. If Someone has already done that and you can't add any logical arguments I wouldn't comment.

[PMorphy65]

If I feel a discussion is turning into an argument, I stop. I politely ask the other person to just look into what Dr.Paul is saying, and that's it. I show them the same respect and say I'll look into their candidates position...although I already know :)

[jj111]

There's a fine line between assertively advocating for Ron Paul on the internet in order to gain name recognition for him, and overdoing it. Any other guidelines that you recommend as to how to walk that fine line?

[rpf2008]

In our situation any press is good press.

I dont think we should spam people , but I also think any mention of Ron Pauls name is a good thing.

[nullvalu]

The object is to refute bad comments about RP

The funny thing is, I have not yet come across someone refuting RP on the issues. The worst I've heard is "he can't win".. lol

[klamath]

Nor could Sea Biscuit

[mdh]

He has a point.

Well, people who are pissed off know we exist. Seriously though, it's more than likely some detractors who would be detractors anyways who are "pissed off". They'd be pissed off anyway. Anyone not pushing their MIC/socialist/big gov/warmongering/whatever else pet-policies is going to piss them off, and I for one am glad that we are helping to do just that. No, we haven't lost a single *real* supporter for Dr. Paul's message by the actions of activists. If we are pissing off our enemies, more power to the people!

[torchbearer]

If you were nice to everyperson on the planet.. there would still be pissed at you for being nice to someone they don't like.
i.e. You are always going to have pissed people regardless.

I advocate being respectful, but understand no one is perfect...
Just try to do things right... if people get pissed... move on.

[Bob Cochran]

It's good to be able to be civil and genteel.

However, we are in a war to take our country back. It may not be possible to do this by being nothing but nicey-nice. Not everyone is going to like Ron Paul and his supporters. We have to get over that and not worry about everyone liking him/us.

Having said that, it is not helpful to be an out-and-out mean-spirited jerk. Don't be the Ann Coulter of Ron Paul supporters.

[theblatanttruth]

Well, people who are pissed off know we exist. Seriously though, it's more than likely some detractors who would be detractors anyways who are "pissed off". They'd be pissed off anyway. Anyone not pushing their MIC/socialist/big gov/warmongering/whatever else pet-policies is going to piss them off, and I for one am glad that we are helping to do just that. No, we haven't lost a single *real* supporter for Dr. Paul's message by the actions of activists. If we are pissing off our enemies, more power to the people!

+1

[Sematary]

I agree with DJ-- on the internet it's real easy for Ron Paul haters to pose as annoying supporters. That said, the real supports should not follow this false example.

It is just as easy for them to pretend to be people who claim to have been "attacked" by Ron Paul supporters when, in fact, they were not - but it plays well for those who are LOOKING for a reason not to like Ron Paul. There is nothing that can be done about this hateful tactic other than to counter it with intelligent discussion are respectful responses. We also cannot do anything about the "crazies" who are bound to follow any candidate and have neither the intelligence or the wherewithal to behave like human beings.

[mport1]

That's weird. I thought I started this topic, but I guess I just posted this in the thread already about it.

[constituent]

I'm with MDH, in fact, I would say that the campaign does face a huge danger:


People out there claiming to be Ron Paul fans, telling all the supporters to JUST SHUT UP!!

[Akus]

We know we are right, but we need to convince others of our positions..
I disagree, the best seller of Ron Paul is Ron Paul himself. We need to merely raise awareness of him. Personally I just tell people of him and if they say they don't care for him (an instance I am yet to encounter), I simply say thank you have a nice day sorry for the bother.

[mport1]

Well, people who are pissed off know we exist. Seriously though, it's more than likely some detractors who would be detractors anyways who are "pissed off". They'd be pissed off anyway. Anyone not pushing their MIC/socialist/big gov/warmongering/whatever else pet-policies is going to piss them off, and I for one am glad that we are helping to do just that. No, we haven't lost a single *real* supporter for Dr. Paul's message by the actions of activists. If we are pissing off our enemies, more power to the people!

I completely disagree. There are plenty of people who we could have potentially converted to Ron Paul supporters that we have turned off by being obnoxious. Yes, there are many people who agree with all of this socialism, but that is because they don't know any better and have been conditioned to agree with it their whole lives. We have the chance to change this.

[Noodles]

No need to argue with those who don't get it. Too many people have not heard of Dr. Paul yet. Focus on the easy pickings first.

[drinkbleach]

I'm with MDH, in fact, I would say that the campaign does face a huge danger:


People out there claiming to be Ron Paul fans, telling all the supporters to JUST SHUT UP!!

I've never seen a Ron Paul supporter be rude or vulgar. I assume the OP is just making shit up to hurt the R.P. campaign.

[mdh]

I completely disagree. There are plenty of people who we could have potentially converted to Ron Paul supporters that we have turned off by being obnoxious. Yes, there are many people who agree with all of this socialism, but that is because they don't know any better and have been conditioned to agree with it their whole lives. We have the chance to change this.

Hey, if you think you can undo a lifetime of conditioning by the early 2008 primaries, be my guest.

But, hold on here for a second. You claim that these people who could have potentially converted to Ron Paul supporters were turned off by activists being obnoxious. This is quite an egregious claim against Dr. Paul's activist community or at least some members thereof, and I demand that such a claim be backed up with hard evidence or immediately retracted, lest you lose all credibility amongst all activists here who demand such honesty.

[mport1]

I've never seen a Ron Paul supporter be rude or vulgar. I assume the OP is just making shit up to hurt the R.P. campaign.

Hm, well I have seen this a lot.

And I am a loyal RP supporter, I am just trying to make sure that we present ourselves in the best light. I have seen a ton of people now who hate RP for no reason except they are extremely annoyed with us. Why would somebody trying to hurt the campaign tell everybody to be more polite so that we don't turn off supporters?

[kimosabi]

Ron Paul ownz dah Internet, keep up the good work people...

My only real concern is that we may actually fill up the Internet with the Ron Paul message...:D

[Dary]

We are pissing people off.

Who is “we”?

And who is “people”?

I agree that we should be civil and all (and I’ve been nothing but civil and all I’ve ever seen from other Ron Paul supporters is a study in civility), but I’m a “people” too.

And I’m pissed off.

Now if someone decides to sell out their country and countryman because of their own lack of backbone, and because someone in an internet forum somewhere offended their fragile sensibilities, then so be it.

They wouldn’t have supported Ron anyway.

[mport1]

Hey, if you think you can undo a lifetime of conditioning by the early 2008 primaries, be my guest.

But, hold on here for a second. You claim that these people who could have potentially converted to Ron Paul supporters were turned off by activists being obnoxious. This is quite an egregious claim against Dr. Paul's activist community or at least some members thereof, and I demand that such a claim be backed up with hard evidence or immediately retracted, lest you lose all credibility amongst all activists here who demand such honesty.

Look around on most discussion boards. People are continuously calling people ignorant and being very abrasive in their answers. This is especially true when somebody accuses Ron Paul of something like being racist, not caring about the poor, or having no chance to win.

Look, all I'm saying is we need to be more careful about how we go about spreading the message so that we don't turn people off. There is no need for all of this uproar.

[DisabledVet]

Well theres and old saying "You not really doing something unless your pissing someone off"

Some of the people all of the time....all of the people some of the time....

[mdh]

Look around on most discussion boards. People are continuously calling people ignorant and being very abrasive in their answers. This is especially true when somebody accuses Ron Paul of something like being racist, not caring about the poor, or having no chance to win.

Look, all I'm saying is we need to be more careful about how we go about spreading the message so that we don't turn people off. There is no need for all of this uproar.

So calling an ignorant person ignorant is obnoxious in your opinion? OK, fair enough, though I disagree. Seems a lot less egregious than the way your original accusations now, at least!

[njandrewg]

I think thats incorrect.

Just look at digg. There is only like 10 people in a 1000 digg thread, that hate on Ron Paul.

And if you look into the digg history of all those who are suddenly not Ron Paul supporters, they never were supporters in the first place.

Anyone who becomes a RP supporter, won't change his mind because of people promoting the message.

[bulloncoins]

I'll believe it when I see it. If Ron Paul supporters are going over the top it would be on the news or at least youtube......people are coming out of the wood work to derail the momentum this campaign is building.....they will use any way they can to tone down the liberty message....


It's not going to work.

When some one claims this ....I'd say put up or shut up.....Show me. Where is the proof?

[rg123]

I would like to see the forums or the "people we pissed off" provide a link. I am quite certain that if given a link to such actions we could police our own. Show the links of the actions

[jd603]

I disagree, nothing wrong with "Ron Paul 2008" comments. people are enthusiastic, just don't start swearing and acting crazy, dont SPAM, etc. use common sense.

I bet some people are annoyed i'm putting Ron Paul signs out in my city, thats tough crap for them is my attitude. :)

[ChristopherJ]

Why do some people want to dwell on things they have no ability to control?

We have ~1850 members on this forum and there are hundreds of thousands or millions of supporters online. Do you seriously believe you can correct this problem (assuming it's a problem to begin with) by making a post about it?

Besides, as some have already mentioned, If people are turned off from RP because someone was too excited or to abrasive or said something that hurt their feelings (boo hoo) they likely would not support RP anyway. The fact that they would rather rail on about how obnoxious RP supporters are rather than support someone who would make this country a better place to live says all you need to know about them.

To my knowledge most of the venomous things that get said by RP supporters are only in response to some kind of smear made on the good Dr. It is a defense mechanism that many people have built up over the months in order to deal with their perception of the media bias. Some people just can't express themselves as eloquently as others.

Bottom line is you can't control it, so don't try or you will just be frustrated.

[mport1]

Here are just some examples from one thread on Facebook. I could go to just about every single one and find similar things.

"You are a moron if Ron Paul reminds you of Bush at any period."

"When you call someone a moron, try not to be one yourself."

"Fuck I can't believe how ignorant some people are."

[remaxjon]

My experience has been that those who are pissed don't like the good doctor. Those who do are not pissed. The more about Dr Paul out there the better. We are working on name recongination not making friends with the people who are not going to vote for him anyway.

[mport1]

I really don't understand all of this commotion. It is very simple. Be nice when you are representing Ron Paul. If you are currently doing so, great!

People will not be converted if we are rude are call them names. There is no need to do this. There is no upside to it and there is the possible downside of losing potential supporters or having people ramp up their efforts to stop Ron.

[mdh]

Here are just some examples from one thread on Facebook. I could go to just about every single one and find similar things.

"You are a moron if Ron Paul reminds you of Bush at any period."

"When you call someone a moron, try not to be one yourself."

"Fuck I can't believe how ignorant some people are."

Thoroughly agree with all statements.

[JaylieWoW]

One thing I think that should be kept in perspective is the prevalence in most online group discussions of cyber bullies. Now, I'd be completely and insanely naive if I didn't think there were some "cyber bullies" who support Ron Paul. However, these bullies exist for all the campaigns not just ours. Most likely these types of people are the same ones who beat up kids for their lunch money or run in a large gang of kids at school to frighten and intimidate others into submission.

This is especially true in forums where long time posters claim an "ownership" of the forum itself. Matter of fact, I have a friend who runs with some regulars on specific forums who take great pleasure in calling people names and engaging in non-debate debating tactics. It is done specifically to get some sort of pleasure which I've never been able to understand.

So, though I would agree that supporters should be kind and considerate when posting on new forums, I also don't really think the online "mud slinging fests" will have much of an influence one way or another to an outside viewer. I also agree that the types of people who engage in this sort of thing are unlikely to agree with anything Ron Paul says. They suffer from "control freak" syndrome and granting any liberty to others besides themselves, really isn't on their agenda. It is an attitude of "I don't care what happens, as long as it doesn't happen to me." (I got this excellent quote from the paper on "Nothing to Hide" Fallacy").

So yes, cautious respect is a good thing, but I really don't think it to be a major issue with any sort of "blowback" on Ron Paul. Eventually the truth comes out (see what the media is saying about Al Queda right now) and just like Romney, those who always want to be the "winner" will turn their positions around once they realize they are no longer in the majority.

[michaelwise]

It's really perplexing to me that there are so few Ron Paul haters. Even people with a vested interest against his plans, seem to love him. Why the attraction?

[Broadlighter]

I believe our role on different Internet sites is to educate people about Ron Paul, not cajole them or agitate them. We're all learning how to communicate better, but Trolling (That's the Internet term for being a Cyber Bully) never serves a useful purpose. I've dealt with trolls before and I've found that if you just ask them simple questions about where they are coming from, they tend to soften. Then you can have a real discussion.

[ronpaulitician]

It may be because I've become more involved with my local meetup group, and less involved in online forums, but it seems the signal-to-noise ratio among Ron Paul supporters is going up, not down, which is probably because the kind of people that are now joining this freedom revolution are more moderate than many of us early supporters are.

Not that the signal-to-noise ratio was ever low to begin with, but I had similar concerns about "fringe" comments harming the campaign. I was using arguments like "We represent Ron Paul!" to try and get those I believed were harming the campaign to change their behavior. Well, we don't represent Ron Paul. Ron Paul represents us, and we represent the quest for liberty. "Be civil." was another argument I used. Although I still agree with that concept in theory, it's entirely possible that in practice, some not so civil behavior may at times be beneficial to the cause of liberty.

[austinphish]

First off, our main challenge is getting his name out there, so that is accomplished, and secondly if someone is so shallow as to not vote for Ron Paul b/c they think his supporters are annoying then they can go F&ck themselves.

[Tsoman]

Samuel Adams, Thomas Paine, and other agitators probably pissed off a hell of a lot of people too ;)

[Bradley in DC]

Traditionally, politcial campaigns start on Labor Day in this country. Most people aren't seriously paying attention to these guys until then.

So, I suggest we all put on our best Sunday clothes or whatever the internet version would be from that time on. No more spewing tirades, personal attacks, etc. Before hitting the "send" key (or whatever) ask ourselves:

"What would Ron Paul do?"

If it is not immediately and obviously in his style and complimentary to his campaign, make a decision to let it sit for a day, cool off and take another look at it.

[johnrocks]

We must try and pace ourselves, information overload on the same forums and sites for example can have a negative effect.

[mport1]

First off, our main challenge is getting his name out there, so that is accomplished, and secondly if someone is so shallow as to not vote for Ron Paul b/c they think his supporters are annoying then they can go F&ck themselves.

Well unfortunately we need these people. The majority of Americans are in my opinion shallow and ignorant on the issues. If write them off and tell them to go fuck themselves, than we don't have a shot.

[drinkbleach]

Hm, well I have seen this a lot.

And I am a loyal RP supporter, I am just trying to make sure that we present ourselves in the best light. I have seen a ton of people now who hate RP for no reason except they are extremely annoyed with us. Why would somebody trying to hurt the campaign tell everybody to be more polite so that we don't turn off supporters?

If somebody thinks R.P. dominance on internet polling is annoying, that I understand. As for actual posts, I've never seen them.

[Lesgov]

I agree that we need to be respectful of others, I think we'll get more converts that way. No one likes rejection, so some times it's hard to keep your cool when Ron Paul's message is rudely rejected. Most of us are not professionals at this, but I think we're learning. Hopefully we will attract more than we repel.
We had a huge gang at the NH debate and we had no trouble drowning out all the other opponents.
One of our chants was; "NO MORE RUDYMcROMNEY" , I thought it was great at the time. At a lull, one of the Rudy supporters said to me; " Man, you guys are rude".
I thought about that afterwards and wondered how many Rudy, McCain, and Romney people we pissed off.

[PatriotOne]

LOL....5 pages of preaching to the choir here. I'm pretty sure the people on this board are not the trouble makers.

[Dary]

LOL....5 pages of preaching to the choir here. I'm pretty sure the people on this board are not the trouble makers.

That is a really good point.

I would be interested to know if anybody has seen a thread like this one in any of the competition’s forums where the members are trying to instill in each other a sense of civility toward supporters of the other candidates.

Does anybody have a link to a thread like that?

[PatriotOne]

That is a really good point.

I would be interested to know if anybody has seen a thread like this one in any of the competition’s forums where the members are trying to instill in each other a sense of civility toward supporters of the other candidates.

Does anybody have a link to a thread like that?

As far as I can tell, there really isn't much of a forum for any of the other candidates. The most active one I have run across is a forum for Fred Thompson and it's really a bunch of RP supporter's pretending to like Fred while acting like a bunch of crazed neo-cons.

[jj111]

I disagree, nothing wrong with "Ron Paul 2008" comments. people are enthusiastic, just don't start swearing and acting crazy, dont SPAM, etc. use common sense.

I bet some people are annoyed i'm putting Ron Paul signs out in my city, thats tough crap for them is my attitude. :)

Can somebody please define what is the difference between assertive internet posting and "spam"?

[Oddball]

Can somebody please define what is the difference between assertive internet posting and "spam"?
Posting endless links to the same sites and regurgitating campaign talking points with no personal commentary are two good examples of spamming and flooding.

Enthusiasm is one thing, but whacking people over the head repeatedly with the same old stuff, without telling others what liberty and returning to constitutionally limited gubmint has in it that's benefical for them is irritating, at the least.

[LibertyEagle]

I think thats incorrect.

Just look at digg. There is only like 10 people in a 1000 digg thread, that hate on Ron Paul.

And if you look into the digg history of all those who are suddenly not Ron Paul supporters, they never were supporters in the first place.

Anyone who becomes a RP supporter, won't change his mind because of people promoting the message.

You're probably right on that, but the problem is that we don't have near enough RP supporters. Not anywhere even close. We can't afford to be driving people away.

[Trance Dance Master]

You can't always walk on eggshells with everyone. People get angry at just about anything these days. If they don't care about enough about who is going to run this country to respect us spreading the word about Ron Paul, we should not feel guilty about it or stop doing so. In fact, we need to redouble our efforts. Anger is a sign that you're getting through to them. They may resist what you say at first, but at least the seeds are planted.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

I totally disagree.

I live in his former Texas 22nd district, but I first became a suporter several years ago when an article in a local paper did a smear peice on him. Everything they said was wrong with him, was everything I supported.

You cant find any dirt on Ron Paul. The only thing they can attack is his libertarian ideals. Meaning that whenever someone does a hit piece on him, all they are really doing is advertising his stance on the issues.

[Wyurm]

I have to say this. I come home from work check my mail, do anything that needs done, and sit down to look at the forum. For a little bit now, every day I've seen threads like this. Threads telling everyone to do something ("Why Ron Paul Will Lose") threads telling everyone to stop doing something (this one) Threads complaining that people arent donating enough or that we arent giving RP enough name recognition, etc... and they always seem to attract more replies than any positive threads.

I would love to come home and see photos of meetups or discussions about strategy or other positive things. I don't mean just positives, but at least more positive that negative. So, am I asking you guys to stop posting this type of thread? Am I asking you to stop being so bossy? No, of course not, I have the freedom to go to another forum if this one is too negative for me. I am dedicated to Ron Paul and no amount of negitivity on a forum is going to change my mind about him. I just hope new supporters who are still learning what RP is about feel the same way.

[Oddball]

I would love to come home and see photos of meetups or discussions about strategy or other positive things. I don't mean just positives, but at least more positive that negative. So, am I asking you guys to stop posting this type of thread? Am I asking you to stop being so bossy? No, of course not, I have the freedom to go to another forum if this one is too negative for me. I am dedicated to Ron Paul and no amount of negitivity on a forum is going to change my mind about him. I just hope new supporters who are still learning what RP is about feel the same way.Inasmuch as I agree with this sentement, there's also value in recognizing the things that are being done by supporters of Dr. Paul which aren't working, so we can focus our energies on doing things that do work.

[IrrigatedPancake]

He has a point.

Don't worry about generally saying how to behave, everyone just pay attention to your behavior and if someone gets angry, put yourself in their shoes and consider "why?"

[Bloody Holly]

you can't win over everyone nor can you please everyone. People get pissed off.

People like to have power over people now by their methods of correcting them. I've spoken to many people who did not know anything about Ron Paul who were pissed at their supporters just for supporting and one guy thought about even kicking over some Ron Paul support signs on someone's front lawn. why? It wasn't because of the supporters really, it was because he felt stupid for not knowing who this popular over night candidate is. He investigated and guess what, new supporter!

Screw the corrections officers. That is their warfare and we shouldn't cater to them because chances are, they are really getting pissed off that there are alot of supporters for Ron Paul and they just haven't taken the time to investigate Dr. Paul's message themselves. Most people I see that write about Ron Paul just speak the truth. Is that annoying to some?? YES. Should we tip toe around the issues like a democrat?? NO!

Keep being yourselves. There is a line to be drawn but I haven't seen not even one incident where someone was going overboard. Let the whiners whine.

[Electrostatic]

I think our main problem is that we keep on over-posting to the same places we have been for months.. The people there already know about him, and they can't understand why we feel the need to over populate certain boards.

IMO we need to move this to the real world... "Memphis Style".

The Internet already knows the messgae... They have heard it.

It's time to take this to the streets and make sure the other 80% of the population takes notice.


Chris

[mika813]

Ok folks, here's what you do. Every time you you see some one post that an RP supporter has pissed them off, you say it has annoyed you too. and you went to complain at the RP site! Now; you think the original complaint might be a “hoax” meant to keep people from checking out RP for themselves......which it probably was.....lol... :-) The Neo-Cons have NO honor so they play by NO rules!!!!!

PS: I agree with the above post.....go outside with an RP sign and change the world!!!!! Sit by a busy raod and let the masses know about the honorable Dr Paul!!!!!!

[jorlowitz]

Two points:

1) This might be a 'war' in a sense, but I bet very few of RP's supporters were attracted to him because of his unrelenting sounding off about how he's right and his message is the best and it's gonna win. Quite the opposite I think; there's been an almost magical magnetism to the calm, consistent, honest, reasoned and yes, CIVIL, tone that Paul always takes with others. I don't think HIS goal is to have a band of marauders behind him but rather to be part of a society of fellow citizens.

2) The argument that "we're at war" or something like that (I thought the point of all this was less war?) so we should hold nothing back, sounds a lot like the whole lesser-of-two-evils argument. Again, I didn't think that was what this was about. If it really has something to say, the message speaks for itself.

There is a degree of resistance that new movements sometimes bring on, but it's definitely not true that all resistance is obviously positive. Some people are really just inclined to ignore the whole clan of RP supporters at the first mention of his name. If the message is that powerful, then those people ARE lost votes, and should be approached less carelessly. But I think most everyone on this forum agrees anyway.

Jake

[Akus]

I think our main problem is that we keep on over-posting to the same places we have been for months.. The people there already know about him, and they can't understand why we feel the need to over populate certain boards.

IMO we need to move this to the real world... "Memphis Style".

The Internet already knows the messgae... They have heard it.

It's time to take this to the streets and make sure the other 80% of the population takes notice.


Chris

Yeah, if people are in the loop already, let them go. Don't beat them to death with Ron Paul stick.