NH Forum and Signing of the 2nd Declaration of Independence

[austin4paul]

I received an e-mail with a suggestion I've slightly modified and want to present it for your opinions:

The 2nd signing of the Declaration of Independence - January 6th in New Hampshire

Concept - The Document:
A 2nd Declaration of Independence will be prepared setting forth our grievances with the government elite, special interest groups and mainstream media conglomerates who have, over the course of the last 100 years, gradually stolen the country from the people and infringed upon the principles of the Constitutional Government given to us with the blood of our ancestors. We can work out the specific language of the document on these forums.

Concept - Signing of the 2nd Declaration of Independence:
The document will be signed on January 6th, 2008 by thousands of Ron Paul Revolutionaries at a hall TBD in New Hampshire. For those people that cannot attend, we will present an online petition they can sign. Assuming Dr. Paul wins eventual election - this document will go down in history and the site in New Hampshire will later come to be known affectionately as "Paul Hall."

Concept - Ron Paul Revolution Presidential Forum (televised)
Concurrent with the signing of the 2nd Declaration, we will gather en masse at our very own Ron Paul Revolution Presidential Forum. We convince an alternate network to cover the event -- ideally in the same time frame as the Fox forum, and we go viral promoting the event with advertising and kick their ass in the ratings! Profits from the production (and there should be profits as we should be able to attract advertisers) of the event will help fund the official campaign.

Concept - Forum Format
A stage set with podiums for all Republican candidates. Yes, we will invite them -- and they will decline, citing a prior comittment. Dr. Paul will stand alone at the center podium. He will take questions from real people in the audience, and by teleconference from rallies held across the nation. We will also ask questions of the other candidates. In their absence, their answers will be submitted in the form of short video clips prepared by us, with real statements they've made in the past. Knowing the creative force of the Revolution, I expect some of these will undoubtedly be quite amusing.

Concept - Ratings War
We create a ratings war with Fox -- an amusing, creative, grassroots Presidential Forum providing REAL answers to the questions REAL Americans want answered, or another boring politics as usual propaganda blast with the questions carefully screened by Rupert Murdoch and his croonies accompanied by prepared sound bite answers we're already heard a million times. Americans love to be entertained. Which channel would you rather tune into?

Question - Do it or not?
I know time is short. I know we have other priorities -- in particular helping to ensure people get the vote out in Iowa and NH -- but it seems to me that we have an opportunity that has been handed to us by Fox on a silver platter. Do we have the resources and energy to make this happen?

[Richie]

I think this is a great idea! Ya see guys? Why can't you be innovative like this? Prank calling Fox is hardly innovative.

[matthylland]

i absolutely LOVE this idea!

[freedom-maniac]

Sehr, sehr, sehr GUT!

But will Dr. Paul agree? Besides, Hunter might show up since he was exlcluded too. I saw we also invite Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich since they've been kicked out of the Dems debates. 2 Democrats and 2 Republicans should actually make it Fair & Balanced...something for Fox News to try to concept.

[ST0PandL00K]

love it
do it

[Sey.Naci]

[Concept - Forum Format
A stage set with podiums for all Republican candidates. Yes, we will invite them -- and they will decline, citing a prior comittment. Dr. Paul will stand alone at the center podium. He will take questions from real people in the audience, and by teleconference from rallies held across the nation. We will also ask questions of the other candidates. In their absence, their answers will be submitted in the form of short video clips prepared by us, with real statements they've made in the past. Especially clips that demonstrate them answering differently on different occasions, and coming closer to Dr. Paul's position as time moves forward.

[DrJimiJon]

I say we do it an try to actually get as many candidates as possible. Especially someone like Chris Dodd who fought the telecom immunity but polls poorly.

[freedom-maniac]

Wow. Most ideas get a negative response after a while. This is just a purely amazing idea.

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

What or whom are you declaring independence from? Are you going to use that title?
If it's a list of grievances, we should brainstorm another document title.

[sillvergirl]

Terrific Idea!! Can we also somehow make this document signing into a fund -raising event

by having Ron Paul sign copies after the "patriots" sign it, thereby creating future collector's

pieces? ( The limited number of signed copies then to be sold to raise funds to be donated

to the official campaign.) The official Ron Paul campaign site states that they need an

additional 23 million dollars soon to promote the message in all the Super Tuesday primary

states most effectively.

[sillvergirl]

Paul. Bearer. of. Injustice. :
__________________________________________________ ____________

The Second Declaration of Independence is a declaration of independence from Corporatism(soft fascism as Dr. Ron Paul refers to it), media bias, and the tyranny of unconstitutional governmental overreach which threatens and/or eliminates our essential liberties as individuals.

[austin4paul]

What or whom are you declaring independence from? Are you going to use that title?
If it's a list of grievances, we should brainstorm another document title.

Umm...have you read the original declaration of independence lately? I know 11th grade U.S. History was a long time ago for many of us, but the original document basically sets forth a list of grievances:

Click here for Text of the Declaration of Independence (http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm)

The concept is to declare independence from the elite in our government who have set us on a course for disaster. The parties from which we would disband include Rupert Murdoch, who has enormous control over our media outlets, the special interest groups who have accumulated the financial resources and power base within Washington to "buy" our politicians, etc. The document would obviously need some work -- this is just a concept presented to see if there is enough interest and resources to make it happen.

[austin4paul]

Paul. Bearer. of. Injustice. :
__________________________________________________ ____________

The Second Declaration of Independence is a declaration of independence from Corporatism(soft fascism as Dr. Ron Paul refers to it), media bias, and the tyranny of unconstitutional governmental overreach which threatens and/or eliminates our essential liberties as individuals.

I nominate you to help draft it!

[sillvergirl]

austin4paul:

:) OK , I am happy to do what I can do to help Dr. Paul win this marathon.

But there are others who are more eloquent than I am . Perhaps we should ask Lawrence Lepard to help us with this task? I think he would agree to help us.

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

Umm...have you read the original declaration of independence lately? I know 11th grade U.S. History was a long time ago for many of us, but the original document basically sets forth a list of grievances:

Click here for Text of the Declaration of Independence (http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm)

The concept is to declare independence from the elite in our government who have set us on a course for disaster. The parties from which we would disband include Rupert Murdoch, who has enormous control over our media outlets, the special interest groups who have accumulated the financial resources and power base within Washington to "buy" our politicians, etc. The document would obviously need some work -- this is just a concept presented to see if there is enough interest and resources to make it happen.

Yeah, I get it. When unions file grievances they don't declare independence.
Sounds a little too radical.
But I agree with the philosophy.

[VoluntaryMan]

I like it. We should have flatscreen monitors setup atop the other candidate's podiums, with stills of those candidate's with unflattering facial expressions, just frozen there (or perhaps occasionally interrupted by Max Headroom-esque "jitters") until it's their turn to "answer" questions -- which, as previously suggested, should be composed of clips of their actual speeches, rallies, interviews, or other debates. Joe Scarborough might be persuaded to moderate; Joe actually has a pretty good sense of humor (and plays guitar better than Hackubee...might even open with National Anthem guitar solo), but look into Ben Stein also, if Joe can't do it (this is right up Ben's ally, and he has a new movie to promote...not sure if politics will be an obstacle for Ben, though). This can come together rather quickly, but would need to be started immediately.

[EotS]

To do it right, you invite all of the other candidates that were excluded.

Dr. Paul will do something at that same date and time, so this could be the venue.

[therealjjj77]

"He has refused his Assent to Laws (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/), the most wholesome and necessary for the public good!"

"He has refused to pass other Laws for the accomodation of large districts of people (http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-4786184/Projecting-reapportionment-Indiana-loses-one.html), unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only."

"He has called together legislative bodies (http://members.iquest.net/~macihms/Government/GeorgeW/cfrclub.html) at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records (http://www.unitypublishing.com/Newsletter/Bilderburg.htm), for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19970101fareviewessay3748/david-c-hendrickson/inquiring-minds-the-story-of-the-council-on-foreign-relations.html)."

"He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2007/nov/15/liberty-dollar-office-raided/), for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people."

"He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.html); whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within."

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices (http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/All_Agencies/index.shtml), and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people (http://worldwidewebers.net/2005/11/irs-harrasses-antiwar-church-in_07.html), and eat out their substance (http://www.rense.com/general19/tax.htm)."

"He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures."

"He has afflicted to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil powers (http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2003/08/26/editorial/columns/43eaf1c60e39b638bd067e2ce550a758.txt)."

"He has combined with others (http://fpc.state.gov/fpc/43714.htm) to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution (http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed121803b.cfm), and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:"

"For cutting off our Trade (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/iraq/sanction.shtml)with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent (http://www.ahherald.com/bishop/2003/gb031016_fed_income_tax.htm):
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15220450/):
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences (http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2005/05/understanding-significance-of.html):
"For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Government:"

I'm sure the list goes on.

I think one is in order.

[tamor]

Can it be a "Round Table" event also? I just thought it would be nice if Dr. Paul could sit down if he wanted- and the others, too, if there are any.

[austin4paul]

With the new controversy over whether he was excluded or not, not sure if it makes sense to work on our own forum for the 6th if he ends up getting invited to the other one. But there seems to be support for this concept, so maybe we do it just before Super Tuesday instead? This gives us more time to plan and develop the youtube video, etc.

[freedom-maniac]

I say we do it an try to actually get as many candidates as possible. Especially someone like Chris Dodd who fought the telecom immunity but polls poorly.

No not Dodd. He hasn't been exluded from anything. The reason why he poors poorly is his own fault. Besides, he's already said he would take the V.P. position. (If you notice, he never says a word against any of the top tier Dems. My guess is that he will drop out to be a cheerleader who ever wins Iowa).

Alan Keyes. I forgot him. A loon yes, but he's been excluded as well.

So I guess we can have Paul, Hunter, Keyes, Gravel, and Kucinich?

[valenciastudent]

Make this the immediate goal, I love this! These mirror my own hopes of having a second network pick up the simulcast. I also love the idea of having podiums setup for all the candidates, and empty as Ron Paul speaks.

THIS WILL BE HUGE!

[Molly1]

Ask the campaign what they want to do and we will be behind them. I think it would be good to have Dr. Paul interviewed for the hour alone. It's right before the New Hampshire primary and I know NH would fall in love with him if only they can hear his whole message.

I like the idea of televising it on an opposing station at the same time, if you can find one to do it--CNN or MSNBC or CBS. In a normal world, they would jump at the chance. I know New Hampshire will be crawling with reporters next week; they're filling up all the hotels.

It could be a Celebration of Independence (and Liberty)! Make it positive.

[fuzzybekool]

Symbolically, this would be a bonanza of publicity as well as serving to drive home the message to millions of Americans that this election matters more now than ever.

[DirtMcGirt]

Like it

[Molly1]

The idea that he's separated from the pack is appropriate.

He is the only peace candidate and champion of the Constitution.

He is the only candidate offering a choice for something different.

[Molly1]

How about a fireside chat in snowy New Hampshire? With Ron Paul and 1000 of his closest friends? There will be real fires in fireplaces there at this time of year. And tons of reporters.

[PimpBlimp]

This idea is the best I have heard so far. Keep it bumped

[Molly1]

You like it? Picture this: Dr. Paul and some lucky reporter sitting in wing chairs flanking a cozy fire and all of us sitting at his feet. Snow is falling outside.

I want to sit at the feet of Thomas Jefferson before I die. I'll even bring my dog.

A fireside chat with the peace candidate.

Somebody call Tucker!

[sillvergirl]

bump!!!

[JenaS62]

Hell yes!

[Cleaner44]

I like it, very positive. Invite truth tellers like Kucinich too. Let the people see the difference between the phoney corporate candidates and the real candidates.

[austin4paul]

Will wait for an announcement tomorrow from HQ. As far as a competing event for the 6th, I think we don't have enough resources to pull this together in such a short time. But, I do have people who've offered to help draft the document and think that we should do at an event sometime before Super Tuesday. They're planning a rally in South Carolina in mid-January, so maybe then.

[JMO]

The key will be if you can get one of the major television stations to televise it. If you can't get it televised on a major station then it won't really matter.

[peacemonger]

Forget inviting the other candidates.

Instead make it a live round table discussion with Michael Scheur, Pat Buchannan, Barry Goldwater Jr, Andrew Nepolitano, Jim Rogers, Walter Williams and Ron Paul.

Get some of these guys to show up and you will get the ratings to beat FOX at their own game. Someone from the Campaign should call these guys and get them to drop whatever they are doing and commit to this forum.

Our country is hanging in the balance. We really can win this fight.

[boethius27]

This idea has potential, but it needs some serious refining. I say go with what the official campaign plans first and this idea can be as a second. If Ron Paul himself is not on board it will lose all credibility in the public eyes. We will be media slammed as real revolutionaries trying to claim independence from the USA.

Be careful with it... Get the good Doctor's consent.