new ron paul ad : immigration

[beazy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-iJKwskH4

[FreedomLover]

Best ad yet. I love the part about ending student visas from terrorist nations...they're finally getting it.

[Micahyah]

the campaign is trying to corner the immigration issue voters, now that Tancredo is out.

Smart move. Fred Thompson doesn't have the money to do it, and Paul is stronger on immigration than McCain (of course), Romney, Giuliani, or Huckabee.

Is this going up in Iowa before the primary?

[Vaughn]

the campaign is trying to corner the immigration issue voters, now that Tancredo is out.

Smart move. Fred Thompson doesn't have the money to do it, and Paul is stronger on immigration than McCain (of course), Romney, Giuliani, or Huckabee.

Is this going up in Iowa before the primary?

It is smart to go after the Tancredo supporters, every little bit helps. In Iowa this ad will play well, hope they keep it out of New Hampshire though.

[Paulfan05]

I like it, immigration is a huge issue.

[dmspilot00]

Great ad!

[kjk437]

Well done. I like it. Quick and gets to the heart of the issue.

Digg it: http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/New_Ron_Paul_TV_Ad_Immigration

[joelfarm]

THIS was the issue that rallied many Americans to action this past summer, and again, Ron Paul outshines them all.

[0zzy]

I showed my dad, he likes it.

[Hangly Man]

The tone of this makes me a little uncomfortable.

While their positions are the same, I liked Ralph Nader's approach to the question better. "End illegal immigration, it's exploitative and it's bad for them AND us," not "end illegal immigration, immigrants are scary and they're bringing this country down."

[Adamsa]

The tone of this makes me a little uncomfortable.

While their positions are the same, I liked Ralph Nader's approach to the question better. "End illegal immigration, it's exploitative and it's bad for them AND us," not "end illegal immigration, immigrants are scary and they're bringing this country down."

Welcome to the Republican party my friend.

[james1844]

I agree, the tone of that ad is much, much to anti-immigrant. Its one thing to secure, our borders, I could even live with the no birthright citizenship thing, but now this - no student visas?

How does this help us with getting moderates or liberals to vote for Paul? Its xenophobic and validated all the charges of racism against Paul.

Frankly, I am getting tired of support Paul against this shit, why should I defend him to my liberal friends when the campaign fucks this stuff up.

1) No returned donation from Don Black

2) No strong statements against racism

How does this advertisement help with the latino or asian vote? How does it help with the liberal vote, how does it help with the religious vote? How does it help us get moderate or mainstream republicans?

its doesn't, none of it does.

I'm beginning to regret my support for Paul.

[regoarrarr]

Okay, it's me - the grammar police.

VISAS not VISA'S

Thank you. That will be all.

I guess maybe this does prove that they're running a frugal campaign if they can't afford to pay someone to grammar-check :D

[DRV45N05]

I agree, the tone of that ad is much, much to anti-immigrant. Its one thing to secure, our borders, I could even live with the no birthright citizenship thing, but now this - no student visas?

How does this help us with getting moderates or liberals to vote for Paul? Its xenophobic and validated all the charges of racism against Paul.

Frankly, I am getting tired of support Paul against this shit, why should I defend him to my liberal friends when the campaign fucks this stuff up.

1) No returned donation from Don Black

2) No strong statements against racism

How does this advertisement help with the latino or asian vote? How does it help with the liberal vote, how does it help with the religious vote? How does it help us get moderate or mainstream republicans?

its doesn't, none of it does.

I'm beginning to regret my support for Paul.

How does it validate the charges of racism? He´s saying we need to get control of illegal immigration, and he´s outlining the ways to do it. He´s not saying ¨Mexicans are bad,¨he´s saying that illegal immigration is bad.

And he has made strong statements against racism. Plenty of them:

http://www.mises.org/books/freedomsiege.pdf

Go to page 14.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=508
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=284

Show your liberal friends those links when they bring this up to you.

[Ilhaguru]

I think it might be seen as a little demeaning in some eyes. . . specifically talking about the scene where you got people scrambling to get up a barren hill. It looks kinda bad, I personally wouldn't have used it.

[braumstr]

"I think it might be seen as a little demeaning in some eyes. . . specifically talking about the scene where you got people scrambling to get up a barren hill. It looks kinda bad, I personally wouldn't have used it."


I believe it shows reality.

[scandinaviany3]

It will get votes...but i would agree that the photo going up the hill vs criminal elements photos that everyone can agree on would have been more common.

Still though production quality is a little better than the past.

What he really needs now is something like the seniors for ronpaul site in an ad.

Plus endorsement ads...and the like...

This will definitely reach a lot of Iowa and NH voters

[beachmaster]

Okay, it's me - the grammar police.

VISAS not VISA'S

Thank you. That will be all.

I guess maybe this does prove that they're running a frugal campaign if they can't afford to pay someone to grammar-check :D

REALLY!!! What are they smoking up there??

Hope they find the boo boo and correct it before it hits the airwaves. Looks very amateurish.

[mel_from_Texas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-iJKwskH4
Good stuff.. I am just getting this Forum stuff. This is a bit off topic but, I liked what I saw on ronpaulforpresident2008 site about the Stock dumping.. take a look..

[mel_from_Texas]

REALLY!!! What are they smoking up there??

Hope they find the boo boo and correct it before it hits the airwaves. Looks very amateurish.
someone should tell them.. YA think..? hello..

[mel_from_Texas]

How does it validate the charges of racism? He´s saying we need to get control of illegal immigration, and he´s outlining the ways to do it. He´s not saying ¨Mexicans are bad,¨he´s saying that illegal immigration is bad.

And he has made strong statements against racism. Plenty of them:

http://www.mises.org/books/freedomsiege.pdf

Go to page 14.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=508
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=284

Show your liberal friends those links when they bring this up to you.
well maybe you should go work for Hillary then,,

[mel_from_Texas]

Welcome to the Republican party my friend.
I think Ron Knows what he's doing. He didn't check our opinions when he ran for the house, but still he won. He has been in this a lot longer than any of us.. I don't know any of you, but I think its a fair assumption..

[RonPaulalways]

It's worth alienating some liberals if it means getting the vote of some older republicans.

[hamdog]

Okay, it's me - the grammar police.

VISAS not VISA'S

Thank you. That will be all.

I guess maybe this does prove that they're running a frugal campaign if they can't afford to pay someone to grammar-check :D

REALLY!!! What are they smoking up there??

Hope they find the boo boo and correct it before it hits the airwaves. Looks very amateurish.


someone should tell them.. YA think..? hello..

it's one thing to call someone out in a chatroom or forum, but this needs to be fixed.

i admit, i didn't catch it on the first viewing (i was too pumped up to find out what was so racist about it), but now it sticks out and looks ugly. please fix it.

[integrity]

I think immigration is going to be a HUGE factor in this election. I am all gung ho for some enforcement!

[Liberty Star]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=748446&postcount=141

[steve254]

We can't stop drugs at the border. Why does anyone think we can stop people. Are we gonna get a wall?

[aji]

We can't stop drugs at the border. Why does anyone think we can stop people. Are we gonna get a wall?

You take away the incentives, and make America less attractive to illegals.
Ron Paul has preached this from the beginning.

[steve254]

I agree with taking away the incentives.

People illegally crossing the border seeking handouts should not get them. But then, neither should those coming in legally get handouts.

Lets stop the handouts, then the big draw will be for those who want to work and contribute rather than the parasitical class.

[cindy25]

they could have gotten the same message across without the racist overtones. antiwar.com is criticizing this ad. maybe you do have to run to right in the primaries, but there should also be an eye on November. the nomination is not the goal, the White House is the goal. Mistakes do happen, especially 5 days before a primary but it is now time to tone it down, or pull that ad.

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/29/ron-pauls-disgraceful-ad/

[xao]

I agree, the tone of that ad is much, much to anti-immigrant. Its one thing to secure, our borders, I could even live with the no birthright citizenship thing, but now this - no student visas?

How does this help us with getting moderates or liberals to vote for Paul? Its xenophobic and validated all the charges of racism against Paul.

Frankly, I am getting tired of support Paul against this shit, why should I defend him to my liberal friends when the campaign fucks this stuff up.

1) No returned donation from Don Black

2) No strong statements against racism

How does this advertisement help with the latino or asian vote? How does it help with the liberal vote, how does it help with the religious vote? How does it help us get moderate or mainstream republicans?

its doesn't, none of it does.

I'm beginning to regret my support for Paul.


GO BACK TO STORMFRONT, EFFING A-HOLE.


Okay, sorry about typing in all caps but this guy james is a fucking moron and always bashes paul in many of his posts.

Ron Paul is for ALL AMERICANS not different ethnic groups, period. If people can't handle that, go vote for hitlary clinton or some loser like Edwards.

[xao]

How does it validate the charges of racism? He´s saying we need to get control of illegal immigration, and he´s outlining the ways to do it. He´s not saying ¨Mexicans are bad,¨he´s saying that illegal immigration is bad.

And he has made strong statements against racism. Plenty of them:

http://www.mises.org/books/freedomsiege.pdf

Go to page 14.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=508
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=284

Show your liberal friends those links when they bring this up to you.


Good counter to the marxists and socialists permeating the forum.


Some people have no concept of being a 3rd, 4th or even 5th generation American, and then being turned down for any college assistance, financial aid. PLUS being undercut in the construction/ landscaping, etc. industry to point of starvation. -while the "poor disadvantaged" illegal immigrants and minorities get whatever they need no questions asked. INCLUDING a translater for a driver's test. Don't believe me? Visit a California Dmv.

[Hook]

GO BACK TO STORMFRONT, EFFING A-HOLE.


Okay, sorry about typing in all caps but this guy james is a fucking moron and always bashes paul in many of his posts.

Ron Paul is for ALL AMERICANS not different ethnic groups, period. If people can't handle that, go vote for hitlary clinton or some loser like Edwards.

Actually, I think he is opposed to Stormfront and other racists. Racism is his whole beef with the ad.
Personally, I don't care one way or the other, but I wish he would calm down a bit.

[0zzy]

Stop it!

Stop threatening not to donate!
Stop threatening not to vote!

This is our ONLY chance to get a good man in office!

And you want to fight over minescule things!
If you don't like his policies, fine, address them - when he is president!

Otherwise, student visas from "terrorist" nations will be the least of your worries.


SUPPORT.
DONATE.
VOTE.

[thisisgiparti]

How does it validate the charges of racism? He´s saying we need to get control of illegal immigration, and he´s outlining the ways to do it. He´s not saying ¨Mexicans are bad,¨he´s saying that illegal immigration is bad.

And he has made strong statements against racism. Plenty of them:

http://www.mises.org/books/freedomsiege.pdf

Go to page 14.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=508
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=284

Show your liberal friends those links when they bring this up to you.

I did think the people swimming across the Rio Grande was slightly xenophobic, but again, welcome to the GOP. Ron Paul's ad did begin with the Statue of Liberty and how this country has always welcomed immigrants. The situation is a mess, though. Most Americans are scared out of their minds.

So, I think this was a smart commercial for Iowa, probably not New Hampshire, but I'm no expert. Ron Paul stands out from the other candidates on this issue, and Tancredo's kind words on CNN will carry much weight, I'd think.

As for the VISAS: it was only a limit on issues from terrorist countries such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. I'm not picking on Pakistan, because of Benazir Bhutto. There is an article in Foreign Policy about how 911 terrorists were financed through the ISI and one man in particular who wired money that immediately bought money orders for the hijackers. 15 out of 19 of these men were Saudi. Let's not forget that the Saudi government gave Pakistan their nukes and poured billions into spreading wahabi sects.

Why we give these countries billions of dollars makes no sense to me, but we know the enemy now and where they come and go from. All the 911 terrorists were here on expired VISAS. The previous administrations left us an awful immigration problem, and cleaning it up won't be pretty. This sounds like a harsh policy, but you have to start somewhere and bear in mind that terrorists want to kill us.

[Recovering Socialist]

When your candidate is over 70 take him out of the ad. This ad is great! I don't agree with the position exactly, but we can pick up alot of support with this ad.


All you whiners about this ad, what would you rather have, an end to the war or more studend visa's to terrorist countries? lol


Way to go Paul!

[user]

This is a disgusting ad but I guess we all knew they'd have to start really playing politics sooner or later.

[0zzy]

This is a disgusting ad but I guess we all knew they'd have to start really playing politics sooner or later.

That's how I see it. Though I didn't think it was "disgusting", just, the student visa thing is playing politics. he wants to be more careful with those nations, not blanket-deny. At least, that's what I think it is.

Either way, it doesn't matter. We need him elected, that's all that matters.

[DirtMcGirt]

It is a strong tone but you know what... America has had sugar kool aid for way too long...

[RonPaulalways]

What's racist about enforcing the law? A nation has a right to refuse entry to every one who wants to immigrate there, or else it will what made it great in the first place and attacted all the migrants.

[0zzy]

What's racist about enforcing the law? A nation has a right to refuse entry to every one who wants to immigrate there, or else it will what made it great in the first place and attacted all the migrants.

True. But what people are upset about is that Paul isn't a guilt-by-association/nationality type guy, and refers to the war on terror as dumb since terror is a tactic, and now his ad is saying terrorist nations (codeword for nations aiding terrorist).

I'm more upset that people don't see the bigger picture going on and realize this dispute and upset and whatnot is hurting the campaign not helping it, and we need to stick together this final hour. An ad is saying something that wouldn't even be possibly enacted for another year, we need to win the election this year.

We got people dying in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and now possibly Pakistan, and maybe Iran.
The dollar is crashing, people are getting poor, starving some.
Others are being tortured, and spied on.
And we want to fight about, a commercial.

[user]

True. But what people are upset about is that Paul isn't a guilt-by-association/nationality type guy, and refers to the war on terror as dumb since terror is a tactic, and now his ad is saying terrorist nations (codeword for nations aiding terrorist).

I'm more upset that people don't see the bigger picture going on and realize this dispute and upset and whatnot is hurting the campaign not helping it, and we need to stick together this final hour. An ad is saying something that wouldn't even be possibly enacted for another year, we need to win the election this year.

We got people dying in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and now possibly Pakistan, and maybe Iran.
The dollar is crashing, people are getting poor, starving some.
Others are being tortured, and spied on.
And we want to fight about, a commercial.
I've already had some problems with this campaign before, so for me this is just one more. I hear what you're saying and I do know RP is far better than the other major candidates. Let's talk about how this affects the election, then. This ad will look bad when we get to the general election. On the other hand, maybe it will fire up the GOP base later, too.

[LastoftheMohicans]

I'm a zero-government libertarian. I don't consider immigration, per se, to be the problem. I do recognize that government is causing "the immigration problem" by creating the incentives for immigrants to come here to get on the dole. The part of RP's platform that I agree with has to do with removing these incentives, including ending birthright citizenship and amnesty. With that said, the only thing I dislike about the ad is the "student visas from terrorist nations" thing. I don't think it's racist but I do think it is collectivist. They should modify the ad.

[Man from La Mancha]

Great ad, more people are against illegal immigration than the war. Ron's ideas are great, just add and encourage the illegals to apply for 6 months work cards and if they are good, disease free, non criminal issue them the permit. Then they can drive ,travel and not have to hide. Also many more Mexicans and others will then also spend 6 months at home improving their country's.

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[Gordon]

What's racist about enforcing the law? A nation has a right to refuse entry to every one who wants to immigrate there, or else it will what made it great in the first place and attacted all the migrants.

That's a good question. Mexico has harsher immigration laws than we do. Is Mexico racist? Of course not.

[Gordon]

Great ad, more people are against illegal immigration than the war. Ron's ideas are great, just add and encourage the illegals to apply for 6 months work cards and if they are good, disease free, non criminal issue them the permit. Then they can drive ,travel and not have to hide. Also many more Mexicans and others will then also spend 6 months at home improving their country's.

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I think we could use more low level prisoners doing this work instead like they do in Washington state and colorado. I think we need to shore up the massive population increase that America has had and recover from it. Idealyl I would like those here illegally to be deported, just like mexico would do, but I understand that might not be easy or even possible.

[TheLibertyTree]

I like the ad. Not enough people know that RP has strong positions on immigration.

[Sarge]

I like the ad.

I live in AZ, and it shows it the way it is. My son is a Border Patrol Agent, and I think it hits the mark on what is going on at the borders.

[VTforRP]

Ok so I just read through the whole discussion here and finally caved in and downloaded it(dial-up sucks, but it actually went a bit faster then I thought).

REALLY? Racist? No one above seems to give any real evidence. Do you understand RP's reasoning on his immigration issues? First, he clearly distinguishes between legal and illegal immigration. Second, by giving illegals amnesty, welfare benefits, birthright citizenship, etc. we would only be encouraging more to come to this country illegally.

Now one of the touchiest issues here is birthright citizenship. I don't think RP wants to punish children for their parents mistakes but so long as illegal immigrants know that there kids will get the american benefits, they WILL come. And even this can in no way be seen as racist. Maybe cold to those not looking at the broader picture, but not racist.

Now there are a couple things I feel are missing from RP's illegal immigration policy. First a guestworker program. I saw someone mention it above but have not read/heard anything from RP himself. By enforcing the above legislation, illegal immigration would switch from those with the intent to stay, to those with the intent of economic advancement for their families in their home countries. The economic benefits are incredibly strong for these people. They can make much more by coming to our country and working, even at the lowest paying jobs in our country, then they could make if they stayed and worked the same jobs in mexico. This should be encouraged. It benefits both the guest workers and the U.S. They get higher paying jobs to support their families in their home countries, and we get the people we need to fill our "undesireable" jobs.

Secondly, Im not convinced that an overly secure/militarized border is neccesary. The above legislation would eliminate any reason for them to come over illegally. Also we need to make it as easy as possible for them to return on their own. Many of our illegal immigrants today would probably like to return to their countries at some point but it is extremely difficult for them to do so. I probably would support a physically secure border for reasons of terrorism and national security, but not immigration. If you think that drugs should be illegal then you can add that to the list, along with terrorism and national security.

Ok, I got a bit distracted, I'm out of time and need to head to work. I have a some other things to say but it will have to wait. I apoligize for rambling and any grammar/spelling mistakes, it's early still. To finish up, to those of you who feel this ad is racist, what is your evidence?

[joelfarm]

For those of you Ron Paul supporters out there who have a problem with his no-nonsense aproach to the open borders problem, well, get over it. I do not appreciate his stance on the death penalty, but you will not see me raising hell about it. You need to look at the big picture. Face the fact that most Americans want our borders secure. Add in the disparities with the illegals who are already here, that allows them to attend many tax-payer funded universities at In State rates, while an American Citizen from another state pays much more: As everyday taxpayers find it harder to afford health care while illegals continue to swamp social services and Yes, the employment situation.
While it is admirable that you are trying to stand up for the downtrodden, you must realize that they are simply fodder, virtual slaves to the corporate power elite who allow them to come here. Do you really think that jorge bush and his crowd really have the best interests of Mexican Nationals at heart? Yeah, just as he is so concerned for the Iraqi people that he is sacrificing thousands of good Americans and billions of American tax-dollars.

[familydog]

No offense to anyone, the campaign doesn't really care some people here don't like the ad. They care about the GOP primary voting base liking it. No matter how many democrats, independents, disenfranchised people we get to vote for Paul, it's not going to be enough without the GOP base. Is the wording of the ad pandering? Yeah, it is. Is that wrong? Nah. It's politics. This idealistc dream world some people live in is rediculous.

[VTforRP]

While it is admirable that you are trying to stand up for the downtrodden, you must realize that they are simply fodder, virtual slaves to the corporate power elite who allow them to come here.
Joelfarm, That is an extemely uninformed statement. Why do you think that mexicans keep coming over if it's not to their benefit? They are voluntarily becoming "virtual slaves"? Because of the American dream? Gimme a break. They come over to make money. They can make more money in our country than working the same jobs in mexico. Sure the corporate elite might not care about the illegal immigrants but regardless whether they do or not the ilegal immigrants still benefit from coming here, and would still benefit to come here as guest workers even if the welfare benefits were taken away.