Fox within rights to exclude Paul

[RPFever]

We must remember that one of Paul's "pillars of prosperity" is property rights. That is, each person has the right to control their property however they want so long as they do not infringe on the equal competing property rights of others.

If we truly believe that each has the right to property, we must recognize that even those who use property for such blatant manipulation of the public have the right to do so.

Fox is within its rights to exclude Paul. (As a comparison, ronpaulforums.com is within its property rights to exclude all the other Republican candidates. Do we call this censorship? No. It is exclusion.)

Now, is this "fair and balanced" - ha, not a chance.
Does it reveal what we already know - yes.

When this is confirmed (and not beforehand), we should recognize that Fox has the right to do this but we should be calling them out on such blatant bias anyway so as to provide economic incentive to change their practices.

It is unfortunate that our television and media are so heavily regulated. If we had a free market in media, the economic loss at such shenanigans would be much greater as it would give consumers a greater selection to look elsewhere.

Let's keep the above in mind. Respect the rights of even those who would intend to harm us. Take the high road. Use our rights to reduce the economic incentive for them to pull such ****.

Of course, let's not take any action until this is absolutely confirmed (preferably by the campaign)

PS. On a side note, I was thinking how funny it would be for the FCC not just to receive a list of complaints, but tons of applications for new media stations with attached letters explaining why.

[Menthol Patch]

A corporation does not have a right to hi-jack an election an election.

[wgadget]

Thank God property rights are so closely linked to capitalism!

[IChooseLiberty]

But that doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't fight by any means within our legal rights. People need to understand what is going on with "news" organizations.

The MSM is the manipulation of the common masses to serve the agendas of a few rich people.

Everyone must understand this.

[RonPaulCult]

Elections are won and lost within debates. The American people should be in charge of them not the two controlling parties and not the corporate owned medie mouthpieces of the neocons

[PimpBlimp]

Is the corporation to blame or is it the stupid people that believe their lies?

[UtahApocalypse]

They will be broadcasting this over PUBLIC airwaves. It also is very much electioneering.

[SteveMartin]

I disagree. The Constitution guarantees a FREE PRESS. This corporate co-opting of the democratic process is tyrannical treason and fraud.

You do not have the right to commit treason and fraud EVEN on your own property.

[MsDoodahs]

Is the corporation to blame or is it the stupid people that believe their lies?

We live in an IDIOCRACY.

It's unfortunate, but sadly, I think it is true....

[brandon]

They will be broadcasting this over PUBLIC airwaves. It also is very much electioneering.

+1

[RPFever]

Just to clarify, my above post is not a call to passivity.

We should take action! Personally, I love this post and everyone should read it:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=67697

I'm just trying to make the point that exclusion IS NOT censorship and although it is nasty and we should be upset, they are within their rights to exclude Paul from a FORUM. (Note: this is not a DEBATE exclusion, it is a FORUM exclusion)

(and we are within our rights to mail the FCC and make public statements - which would be awesome if we did this in large large numbers)

[wgadget]

Civil Lawsuit.

American People vs. Media Elite

[PimpBlimp]

We live in an IDIOCRACY.

It's unfortunate, but sadly, I think it is true....

How did we get to this stage? Was it societal engineering on the elites part or just a natural progression of our society?

[mpython77]

Fox may have the right to do what they want. But we the people have the right to voice our opinion and boycott their services. Also, it is our right to notify anyone affiliated with Fox about their immoral actions.

Sure Fox may have rights, but we have rights being their consumer.

[fedup100]

We must remember that one of Paul's "pillars of prosperity" is property rights. That is, each person has the right to control their property however they want so long as they do not infringe on the equal competing property rights of others.

If we truly believe that each has the right to property, we must recognize that even those who use property for such blatant manipulation of the public have the right to do so.

Fox is within its rights to exclude Paul. (As a comparison, ronpaulforums.com is within its property rights to exclude all the other Republican candidates. Do we call this censorship? No. It is exclusion.)

Now, is this "fair and balanced" - ha, not a chance.
Does it reveal what we already know - yes.

When this is confirmed (and not beforehand), we should recognize that Fox has the right to do this but we should be calling them out on such blatant bias anyway so as to provide economic incentive to change their practices.

It is unfortunate that our television and media are so heavily regulated. If we had a free market in media, the economic loss at such shenanigans would be much greater as it would give consumers a greater selection to look elsewhere.

Let's keep the above in mind. Respect the rights of even those who would intend to harm us. Take the high road. Use our rights to reduce the economic incentive for them to pull such ****.

Of course, let's not take any action until this is absolutely confirmed (preferably by the campaign)

PS. On a side note, I was thinking how funny it would be for the FCC not just to receive a list of complaints, but tons of applications for new media stations with attached letters explaining why.

They are not within their rights to exclude any candidate in any election. As long as THEY have the monopoly over what the majority of people see and hear therefore actually controlling their minds with controlled information.

This is influencing a national election on a grand scale.

The MSM must be ruled entertainment only and all news reporting, elections and anything else that can influence this Country and it policies must be stripped from them immediately.

We need a system of public stations that report nothing but the real news 24/7. NO DEBATE what so ever, just report the real news and let the people form their own opnions and sort it out.

[Eponym_mi]

The Constitution guarantees a FREE PRESS.

Free press is not necessarily fair press. Fox News is free to promote their agenda, distorted as it may be. No different than some communist rag promoting their agenda. The people must decide whether or not the press is reporting fairly, accurately and in their interests.

[MsDoodahs]

How did we get to this stage? Was it societal engineering on the elites part or just a natural progression of our society?

Natural progression of society IMO...the elites just capitalized on it for their own gain...

[drednot]

They are clearly within their rights to do this.

Just as we are within our rights to boycott the network and their sponsors.

[mconder]

Isn't it curious that all the major news outlets exist to promote the message and health of the state. There's not one major media outlet that promotes views that conflict with the goals of the state. How can you say they are private when they take their marching orders from the people that have co-opted the people's government?

[RPFever]

Oops! I'm wrong!

I forgot that the airwaves are "publicly" owned. They are not within their right to property as they are abusing the "public" property as soon as it hits the airwaves. Now, if this FORUM was not broadcast over "public" airwaves, that would be a different story.

(Note: I use public in quotes above because public property is really messy)

So forgot my original post. It would only apply if they owned the airwaves (which, in a free society, one could purchase).

Everyone, let's protect our "collective" property. Our rights are being infringed and trampled upon (as we all have a share in the public property called airwaves). This medium of communication is being abused in the most tyrannical of intentions.

FCC letters away!
Advertisers letters away!

;)

[VoluntaryMan]

Since when does one man's property rights negate another man's freedom of speech? If Faux Noise is free to exclude Dr. Paul, Dr. Paul's supporters are free to express displeasure as loudly and angrily as we choose. Faux Noise controls only its own forum; it does not control the public reaction to how it chooses to exercise that discretion. Freedom of choice does not mean freedom from objection. Choices have consequences, and stupid choices have unpleasant consequences. If Faux expects us to bend over and drop trow, then they can kiss our collective @$$. If you subscribe to cable, chances are that a portion of your money goes into Murdock's pocket, whether or not you actually watch his propaganda network; I suggest complaining loudly to your cable company, and demanding that they remove FNC from your channel line-up, and that they cease billing you for the portion that goes to FNC; if even 100k or so people do this, the message will be received loud and clear. Picketing the local cable office and FOX affiliate certainly wouldn't hurt either.

[cujothekitten]

Fox can exclude him and we can voice our opinions about it. This is the free market at work people.

[fedup100]

Oops! I'm wrong!

I forgot that the airwaves are "publicly" owned. They are not within their right to property as they are abusing the "public" property as soon as it hits the airwaves. Now, if this FORUM was not broadcast over "public" airwaves, that would be a different story.

(Note: I use public in quotes above because public property is really messy)

So forgot my original post. It would only apply if they owned the airwaves (which, in a free society, one could purchase).

Everyone, let's protect our "collective" property. Our rights are being infringed and trampled upon (as we all have a share in the public property called airwaves). This medium of communication is being abused in the most tyrannical of intentions.

FCC letters away!
Advertisers letters away!

;)

Thank you, but we need a great big fat lawsuit now!! They are breaking every election law on the books and we need to call them on it!!

[IDHITIT]

Why doesn't Ron Paul pull a stunt like Michael Jackson and jump up on top of a tall SUV in the parking lot.. hand him a Mic and have a larger rally out in the parking lot than is inside with the Neocons.
You just KNOW CNN/CNBC will cover THAT story! ;)

This doesn't have to be a complicated issue.. How many rednecks do we have in our clan with jacked up 4x4's? I'd guess a LOT.. How many Musicians do we have that have access to huge concert speakers.. I'd guess a LOT.. does anyone know if Paulites know how to make huge backdrop banners? ;) Uhh.. yeah!

So the only thing we would need for the NH Meetup group to pull this off are some selfless hard working people and a city permit to hold a peaceful rally.. they better get on that one fast. (maybe a few space heaters to put up next to paul standing in the bed of a jacked up truck. :)

Anyone have access to people in these groups?
Maine, New Hampshire, New York, Massachusetts all those Meetup groups are with in a short driving distance.
.

[deehrler]

Fox is free to do what it wishes. But if I don't like it, I am also free to do anything legal to put Fox's political-porn shop out of business.

Boycott their advertisers, call them and let them know what we are doing. Ask them to take their advertising elsewhere.

[brunner]

We must remember that one of Paul's "pillars of prosperity" is property rights. That is, each person has the right to control their property however they want so long as they do not infringe on the equal competing property rights of others.

If we truly believe that each has the right to property, we must recognize that even those who use property for such blatant manipulation of the public have the right to do so.

You're talking about respecting Fox's property rights to property they didn't rightfully own in the first place (http://www.chrisbrunner.com/2007/12/27/why-you-should-hate-the-fcc/)!!

Furthermore, writing to the FCC will do no good at all, as THEY ARE THE REASON Fox has so much power in the first place. Don't you guys get it? The government is the reason all of these problems are possible! They're not going to do anything to detract from Fox's power.

The FCC should be the target of your anger, but not the target of any of your letters, emails, or phone calls - that would be a waste of time. Learn why the FCC is at fault (http://www.chrisbrunner.com/2007/12/27/why-you-should-hate-the-fcc/), and then move on to contacting Fox's sponsors.

[bgoldwater]

Ultimately Fox can do what ever it wants. That is what liberty is all about. Now of course we have every right to criticize them, but we can't force Fox to do something. Property rights is what liberty is all about.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Is the corporation to blame or is it the stupid people that believe their lies?

BOTH...but more of corporate controlling lies, since we are a Nation of Sheep

Free Faxing: https://faxzero.com/

unload on FAUX NEWS!

[Chao]

Blame Reagan's administration for deregulating the media outlets =/

[fj45lvr]

I disagree. The Constitution guarantees a FREE PRESS. This corporate co-opting of the democratic process is tyrannical treason and fraud.

You do not have the right to commit treason and fraud EVEN on your own property.

I agree that it is obvious we are dealing with "liars" and those that have "treason" in their heart....

So, whether or not they have "private property" is immaterial to the DUTY we have as PATRIOTS to "throw them off" and to secure our own LIBERTY, PROSPERITY and SECURITY for our families. Sending our kids off to die in foreign wars is NOT in those interests and BESIDES the "real" enemy is HERE AT HOME!!!

It will never be any BETTER TIME to act than now. Leave the PC stuff in the closet where it belongs and roll up your sleeves to FIGHT.

[bolidew]

We are also within our rights to protest/boycott or raise hell.

[deehrler]

Blame Reagan's administration for deregulating the media outlets =/


Why blame him. I would rather the people regulate the media, like we are doing. I don't recall that the media was any more fair before Reagan. Are you old enough to remember Goldwater?

[Wwillywoo]

Sure FOX NEWS can exclude RP.

But that doesn't mean that people can't express their thoughts about it or that there may be economic consequences to its decision.

It will be interesting to see what the consequences will be, if any, and whether or not FOX cares.

[Perry]

We must remember that one of Paul's "pillars of prosperity" is property rights. That is, each person has the right to control their property however they want so long as they do not infringe on the equal competing property rights of others.

If we truly believe that each has the right to property, we must recognize that even those who use property for such blatant manipulation of the public have the right to do so.

Fox is within its rights to exclude Paul. (As a comparison, ronpaulforums.com is within its property rights to exclude all the other Republican candidates. Do we call this censorship? No. It is exclusion.)

Now, is this "fair and balanced" - ha, not a chance.
Does it reveal what we already know - yes.

When this is confirmed (and not beforehand), we should recognize that Fox has the right to do this but we should be calling them out on such blatant bias anyway so as to provide economic incentive to change their practices.

It is unfortunate that our television and media are so heavily regulated. If we had a free market in media, the economic loss at such shenanigans would be much greater as it would give consumers a greater selection to look elsewhere.

Let's keep the above in mind. Respect the rights of even those who would intend to harm us. Take the high road. Use our rights to reduce the economic incentive for them to pull such ****.

Of course, let's not take any action until this is absolutely confirmed (preferably by the campaign)

PS. On a side note, I was thinking how funny it would be for the FCC not just to receive a list of complaints, but tons of applications for new media stations with attached letters explaining why.

Remember that as citizens of a republic, and under the constitution of the United States, we have the right to protest. There is no moral or unwritten law that says we should go quietly into the night.

[Paulitician]

I don't buy the "property rights" arguments here. The airwaves are public. The media is there is to inform the public, as well as check up on the government. They are doing a horrendous job at both. We should be allowed to kick this crooks to the curb, but we can't. Maybe if we lived in a free market system... but currently it doesn't seem like a free market too me. The media is currently owned by just 6 corporations, and 2 will probably merge in the near future. It's impossible to enter the market unless you have like billions of dollars, and then you have to go through tons of regulations. So theres nothing we can do and Fox News can get away with doing whatever they want and defraud Americans while they are at it. Maybe, and I hope, protesting will do it, but there is just a huge injustice here.

[barbz]

Free press is not necessarily fair press. Fox News is free to promote their agenda, distorted as it may be. No different than some communist rag promoting their agenda. The people must decide whether or not the press is reporting fairly, accurately and in their interests.

My hope is that this stunt Fox has pulled will showcase their bias to a whole lot more people than were aware of it yesterday. Making a decision is a lot easier when your eyes are open.

[deehrler]

Send something like this to the Advertising Manager of your local Fox affiliate.

------
I am sure that by now you have heard that an active boycott is being established against your local advertisers. The reason is due to Fox News's continued smearing and biased coverage of Ron Paul's political campaign.

Your advertiser's will be asked to take their business elsewhere.

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[JosephTheLibertarian]

We must remember that one of Paul's "pillars of prosperity" is property rights. That is, each person has the right to control their property however they want so long as they do not infringe on the equal competing property rights of others.

If we truly believe that each has the right to property, we must recognize that even those who use property for such blatant manipulation of the public have the right to do so.

Fox is within its rights to exclude Paul. (As a comparison, ronpaulforums.com is within its property rights to exclude all the other Republican candidates. Do we call this censorship? No. It is exclusion.)

Now, is this "fair and balanced" - ha, not a chance.
Does it reveal what we already know - yes.

When this is confirmed (and not beforehand), we should recognize that Fox has the right to do this but we should be calling them out on such blatant bias anyway so as to provide economic incentive to change their practices.

It is unfortunate that our television and media are so heavily regulated. If we had a free market in media, the economic loss at such shenanigans would be much greater as it would give consumers a greater selection to look elsewhere.

Let's keep the above in mind. Respect the rights of even those who would intend to harm us. Take the high road. Use our rights to reduce the economic incentive for them to pull such ****.

Of course, let's not take any action until this is absolutely confirmed (preferably by the campaign)

PS. On a side note, I was thinking how funny it would be for the FCC not just to receive a list of complaints, but tons of applications for new media stations with attached letters explaining why.

you're an idiot. why don't you look two words:

corporation

company

see ya