Exclusion is good. Thanks Fox.

[llepard]

These people could not be dumber if they tried.

I strongly believe in a "law of countervailing forces".

eg: by excluding Dr. Paul Fox is going to get just the opposite reaction.

Think Rudy and his slap down at the first debate. It seemed horific and painful, yet it helped Dr. Paul rise above the fray.

This could be the same thing.

So I say, let's make a lot of noise, but keep in mind that Fox just did us a huge favor.

These fools are too stupid to rule the world, they are going down.

[Cowlesy]

These people could not be dumber if they tried.

These fools are too stupid to rule the world, they are going down.

AMEN!

[Mike Mitrosky]

YEah you think they would learn by now...

Rudy at the may 5th debate

saul anuzis from the michigan gop

these two come to mind.. but I know there were more than these..

oh yeah iowa presidential forum... cant forget that one.. hah.

[kushaze]

Either way. I don't think our mission should be to get Ron Paul in the January 6th forum. Our mission should be to take Fox News down. "Fair and balanced" my ass.

[mosquitobite]

These people could not be dumber if they tried.

I strongly believe in a "law of countervailing forces".

eg: by excluding Dr. Paul Fox is going to get just the opposite reaction.

Think Rudy and his slap down at the first debate. It seemed horific and painful, yet it helped Dr. Paul rise above the fray.

This could be the same thing.

So I say, let's make a lot of noise, but keep in mind that Fox just did us a huge favor.

These fools are too stupid to rule the world, they are going down.

I was thinking the same thing. By excluding him they just got his grassroots even MORE riled up.

Is there some short & to the point email we can spread around? (especially to NH, super Tuesday states?)

ie if they say it's because of poll numbers is Thompson included? And this better motivate Iowan caucus goers most. Dr Paul needs 3rd+ so we can blast this exclusion all OVER!

[Johnnybags]

These people could not be dumber if they tried.

I strongly believe in a "law of countervailing forces".

eg: by excluding Dr. Paul Fox is going to get just the opposite reaction.

Think Rudy and his slap down at the first debate. It seemed horific and painful, yet it helped Dr. Paul rise above the fray.

This could be the same thing.

So I say, let's make a lot of noise, but keep in mind that Fox just did us a huge favor.

These fools are too stupid to rule the world, they are going down.


I think the campaign would love to be officially excluded. The opportunity is fantastic if they play it correctly and I know they will. I bet they are waiting for official confirmation from FOX to plan the counterpunch. If we could get MSNBC to live broadcast a rally and speech it would be 100x more powerful and guess who would steal rating from FAUX News corp, Neocon Central. How about Tucker, live?

[deedles]

contact faux sponsors. Tell them no money/business to advertisers of this censoring faux bunch. Let's make the free-market system work to our advantage.

[walt]

These people could not be dumber if they tried.

I strongly believe in a "law of countervailing forces".

eg: by excluding Dr. Paul Fox is going to get just the opposite reaction.

Think Rudy and his slap down at the first debate. It seemed horific and painful, yet it helped Dr. Paul rise above the fray.

This could be the same thing.

So I say, let's make a lot of noise, but keep in mind that Fox just did us a huge favor.

These fools are too stupid to rule the world, they are going down.

I hope you are right!

[Menthol Patch]

These people could not be dumber if they tried.

I strongly believe in a "law of countervailing forces".

eg: by excluding Dr. Paul Fox is going to get just the opposite reaction.

Think Rudy and his slap down at the first debate. It seemed horific and painful, yet it helped Dr. Paul rise above the fray.

This could be the same thing.

So I say, let's make a lot of noise, but keep in mind that Fox just did us a huge favor.

These fools are too stupid to rule the world, they are going down.

No, they did not do us a favor. They slapped us across the face once again. Don't you realize they are trying to hi-jack this election? They are once again trying to exclude our candidate! The fact of the matter is that to 90% of Americans if you are not on TV and mentioned a thousand times you are not real! That's right, you are a nobody if you are not mentioned a hundred times an hour along with all the other candidates that the media gives hundreds of millions of dollars of publicity to! It's sad to say, but that is the way things still work. They are changing and the Ron Paul Revolution is proof of that, but they are not TOTALLY changed yet!

We are going to get into this forum NOT MATTER WHAT! We are going to continue faxing, calling, and emailing until the entire world knows what is transpiring!

[Menthol Patch]

I think the campaign would love to be officially excluded. The opportunity is fantastic if they play it correctly and I know they will. I bet they are waiting for official confirmation from FOX to plan the counterpunch. If we could get MSNBC to live broadcast a rally and speech it would be 100x more powerful and guess who would steal rating from FAUX News corp, Neocon Central. How about Tucker, live?

Being excluded from the debate is NOT a favor! Lets get real about this for a moment. The media want a reason to be able to stop talking about Ron Paul all together. The moment the exclusion of Ron Paul from this debate is final the media will clamp down like you have NEVER seen before! Why? They will have a reason to NEVER talk about Ron Paul again. If anyone complains they can simply say he was not worthy enough to even get in the final debate!

[Johnnybags]

Being excluded from the debate is NOT a favor! Lets get real about this for a moment. The media want a reason to be able to stop talking about Ron Paul all together. The moment the exclusion of Ron Paul from this debate is final the media will clamp down like you have NEVER seen before! Why? They will have a reason to NEVER talk about Ron Paul again. If anyone complains they can simply say he was not worthy enough to even get in the final debate!

Sitting at a dark table feeding Neocon propaganda. Let the campaign release the hounds of democracy once official word is given. I think the idiots at FOX are going to knuckle under unfortunately. Their calculations are way off, the benefit of exclusion far outweighs the the benefits of inclusion in a controlled environment. I WANT EXCLUSION. I want to attend the history which can be made at the simultaneous Freedom rally.

[llepard]

Being excluded from the debate is NOT a favor! Lets get real about this for a moment. The media want a reason to be able to stop talking about Ron Paul all together. The moment the exclusion of Ron Paul from this debate is final the media will clamp down like you have NEVER seen before! Why? They will have a reason to NEVER talk about Ron Paul again. If anyone complains they can simply say he was not worthy enough to even get in the final debate!

Don't you think they are going to look a little foolish when RP finishes third in Iowa, yet was not included in the debate? Candidates who were included will finish below him, guaranteed. Think Guiliani. He is going to get killed in Iowa.

[freedom-maniac]

contact faux sponsors. Tell them no money/business to advertisers of this censoring faux bunch. Let's make the free-market system work to our advantage.

Agreed.

[Sandy]

Either way. I don't think our mission should be to get Ron Paul in the January 6th forum. Our mission should be to take Fox News down. "Fair and balanced" my ass.

You have GOT to be kidding. :eek: That forum is broadcast and has a huge impact!! Our mission is to get RP heard, sheesh.

[Cowlesy]

*waves to all of the Fox News folks who are looking at RPForums right now*

Sorry guys, but if you are going to be silly and exclude RP, you knew what was going to occur :)

[fj45lvr]

Isn't it IRONIC that this is all gonna happen in the "LIVE FREE OR DIE" state???

Well I guess we should redefine some things like "live", "free" and "die".

Once upon a time men had actual balls to handle crap like this with means that got results.

[Truth Warrior]

The potential "blowback" from the goofy NH GOP/FAUXNEWS exclusion decision could potentially prove to be VERY, VERY interesting.<IMHO> :)

[Menthol Patch]

You have GOT to be kidding. :eek: That forum is broadcast and has a huge impact!! Our mission is to get RP heard, sheesh.

I totally agree!

Our mission needs to be to get Ron Paul on every single broadcast!

[Dave Wood]

*waves to all of the Fox News folks who are looking at RPForums right now*

Sorry guys, but if you are going to be silly and exclude RP, you knew what was going to occur :)

HaHa!!!!! Yeah! Lets all give them a group wave with a big smile!! After that we bury your wretched little neo-con asses. You will remember this one......trust us;)

[Menthol Patch]

*waves to all of the Fox News folks who are looking at RPForums right now*

Sorry guys, but if you are going to be silly and exclude RP, you knew what was going to occur :)

If there are folks at Fox News looking at this forum they need to realize if they don't include Ron Paul this is only the start! The peaceful protesting, emails, calls, and faxes will continue every single day!

We are not going to let Fox News exclude our candidate, period. They have already been trying to marginalize him for months. We are drawing a line and they are NOT going to exclude our candidate from this forum!

[kushaze]

You have GOT to be kidding. :eek: That forum is broadcast and has a huge impact!! Our mission is to get RP heard, sheesh.

Alright play Fox News' game, thats what they want. If we take down Fox News now they won't have this kind of power next time.

[Menthol Patch]

Alright play Fox News' game, thats what they want. If we take down Fox News now they won't have this kind of power next time.

No, we are not playing their game and we cannot "take down" Fox News.

The system is changing, but we are not going to change it in a few weeks or months. The mainstream media still has a few years of life remaining. Right now, we need to do what it takes to get Ron Paul included in this forum.

We cannot "take down" Fox News but we can EMBARRASS them and get a ton of publicity by getting Ron Paul into this forum!

[Cowlesy]

You can absolutely bank on the fact that whenever Fox receives a deluge of emails/calls/faxes from angry Ron Paul supporters, the first place they go to look and see what's up is "the hive mind", aka RPForums :)

[JMO]

Exclusion from debates is a huge negative, its the best way to attract new voters. Candidates that are excluded from debates tend to do poorly, that's why 3rd party candidates do so poorly, it's why Ron Paul said he has no interest to run as a third party candidate.

[Sandra]

Ron Paul is at the point now that he should deny FOX access to him.

[fj45lvr]

No, we are not playing their game and we cannot "take down" Fox News.

The system is changing, but we are not going to change it in a few weeks or months. The mainstream media still has a few years of life remaining. Right now, we need to do what it takes to get Ron Paul included in this forum.

We cannot "take down" Fox News but we can EMBARRASS them and get a ton of publicity by getting Ron Paul into this forum!

yes sir...

however, I'd wager to say that the Dino-Media knows that Americans are by and large too LAZY to change much in where they get their "news".....I would say that things are changing to a degree but isn't it funny that the junkies still are looking for clips from the NETWORK stations round the clock on youtube....the ORIGINAL source is the same just bypassing the conduit and commercial content in this other form.

[speciallyblend]

group wave to fox news,i was a viewer of yours,its GONNA BE GREAT ONCE FOX NEWS HAS TO EAT crow/S_i_T on jan 3rd,its only gonna make fox news look like fools.I cant wait for fox news to look like crap,its gonna be great and its gonna MOTIVATE OUR GRASSROOTS EVEN MORE ,WE SHOULD PROTEST, HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND THEN WAVE THE IOWA RESULTS WITH A SMILE,of course unless fox news and the iowa gop rigs the voting machines.

FOX NEWS IS GONNA LOOK WORSE then ever,can we label them UN- AMERICAN TERRORIST NETWORK?? THEY WILL BE THE ANTI-AMERICAN NETWORK aka FOX NEWS ,,oooo JAN 3rd should be the start of the death of fox news ,im sure cnn/msnbc is already licking their chops;)

[Sandra]

This , however, may be FOX strategy to guarantee high viewership when it's announced that they have decided to invite him to th debate. In fact , they are fabricating thier own news stories through guerilla journalism and will as a result, fully benefit from it.

[thuja]

contact faux sponsors. Tell them no money/business to advertisers of this censoring faux bunch. Let's make the free-market system work to our advantage.

absolutely right!

[BeFranklin]

If Ron Paul isn't going to be in the discussion speaking, he's going to be outside with 5000+ supporters speaking.

[Spanish for Ron]

Well, exclusion is bad. It could only turn to be good if the campaign capitalizes it. For example, with a rally next to the debate with thousands of supporters, many more than those attending the debate. This needs to be done if Ron is not included.

[airborne373]

Now that I have been able to calm my initial outrage resulting from Fox's blatant anti-American, freedom hating response to the Jan. 6 debate/presidential discussions. I now realize what a huge favor they have done for us, Dr. Paul's exclusion will be the biggest news in NH and most of the nation between now and the NH Primary. This act of violence against the Republic by the foreign agents of News Corp and their domestic lacky's will only unify and strengthen the cause of liberty.

However these enemy agents in our midst must be destroyed by peaceful means. Boycott's of advertisers, letting other Americans know how these foreigners are misusing our nation for their own gain. How even watching Fox News is akin to supporting Pravda under the Soviet Union. This does not need to be accomplished in the next 10 days or so, like those who would destroy us we need to be patient and dedicated to our cause.


P.S. A message to the Trotskyite, neocon, freedom hating anti-American scum.....

"You have lost the military. That's right many in uniform are awake to the destruction of American Sovereignty. The U.S. Armed Forces overwhelmingly support Ron Paul and his principles of Freedom. You also do not have as many police under your control as you think. Freedom is popular!

[philipsantamaria]

fox is acting like a 7 year old spoiled kid.

[thuja]

Ron Paul is at the point now that he should deny FOX access to him.

i think so too. why does he have to act like he is grateful for the opportunity, or even interested, when in fact, they should be begging for a moment of his valuable time.

[Cap]

Hey Fox News!

http://media.bigoo.ws/content/gif/fantasy/fantasy_120.gif

[Truth Warrior]

Is it just possible that FAUXnews is only taking it's forum marching orders from the national or NH GOP?

[realist]

my .02c.

I agree with Leppard- this isn't such a bad thing.

Yes I understand that exposure is important but the vast majority of those that will tune into the debate are engaged, know of Dr. Paul and are likely not to be swayed positively if the standard practice of off hand questions for Dr. Paul continues (and I beleive they will intensify if his participation is forced.)

Also consider that these types of events are touted almost exclusively by the venues sponsor (Fox) and their credability is already low. The other outlets (many of them) will be more lilely to bolster our position to Fox's emabarassment. It wouldn't suprise me to hear CNN or some others report that "Republican front runner RON PAUL, the candidate with the highest 4 quarter fund raising figures and with the most passionate supporters, was excluded from a recent FOX debate against local GOP protests."

I believe that a few sources reporting this repeatedly may have more impact on swaying votes than being begrudgingly included, attacked or ignored on stage. We know he won't be treated fairly, history has shown that. Especially given NH's indepandant streak and the way they take this process seriously, many will not repond kindly to Fox's limiting thier choices.

[Peace&Freedom]

I now realize what a huge favor they have done for us, Dr. Paul's exclusion will be the biggest news in NH and most of the nation between now and the NH Primary. This act of violence against the Republic by the foreign agents of News Corp and their domestic lacky's will only unify and strengthen the cause of liberty.

We have to remember the MSM has worked in a coordinated, cross-reinforcing attack pattern when it comes to Paul. Eg., Russert asks marginalizing questions to Paul Sunday morning, then AP immediately negatively reports on the fringe issues Paul discussed, then follow-up commentary appears about the 'controvery' Paul has created answering fringe questions he shouldn't have been asked in the first place. Then MSNBC arrogantly asks Paul if he wants to "retract" his statements on the marginalizing issue and subsequent negative news buzz THEY CREATED, etc.

So the intent of the exclusion, IMO, is to create a wave of exclusions that reference the original Fox decision. They have NOT done Paul a favor, but it is possible to turn this into a pro-Paul boon (as a plan B) if the exclusion is not reversed. Perhaps, if he outright wins Iowa, Paul should one-up Fox and announce he is not appearing on any Fox channel for 2-3 months. At the least, sponsors should pay for putting up with Fox's bias (hence someone's list is reposted below):

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[N13]

Turn a negative into a positive, a big positive.

All I hear is how bad Fox news is and how badly they treat Ron Paul, but most people in this forum would kiss their ass to get Ron Paul on their fair and balanced debate. It makes me sick. Oh how we hate you Fox, but would please let Ron Paul participate in your debate?????

Wake up people.

It would be much better if Ron Paul was on CNN or MSNBC for an exclusive interview during the fox debate. If Fox changes its mind and invites Ron Paul, tell them that we have something better to do.

BY excluding Ron Paul, Fox has provided an opportunity to get the MSM attention. Fox will look pretty silly if RP finishes third or better in Iowa.

When life gives you lemons, make lemonade.

[mconder]

These people could not be dumber if they tried.

I strongly believe in a "law of countervailing forces".

eg: by excluding Dr. Paul Fox is going to get just the opposite reaction.

Think Rudy and his slap down at the first debate. It seemed horific and painful, yet it helped Dr. Paul rise above the fray.

This could be the same thing.

So I say, let's make a lot of noise, but keep in mind that Fox just did us a huge favor.

These fools are too stupid to rule the world, they are going down.

I agree, if we can find a way to get maximum millage out of it. I think 1,000+ people showing up and practicing civil disobedience could be effective. Resist being herded into the "free speech area." Show up us Romney supporters then put on V masks. Yes...I said it. This is getting bad and something big needs to be done.

[bigbinc]

They will have to show him after he gets first in Iowa!

[SimpleName]

They definitely have a chance of pushing people who are on the border and pay little attention to stop thinking aabout Paul, but I certainly can see how this can help Paul's campaign. It would be amazing if we could get Msnbc to do something like that, but i seriously doubt, even for ratings that the company headquartered in NWO center would be up for putting up a stand for Ron Paul. Tucker, though, if he wanted may ask for time during the faux debate and possibly get the air time. Still doubtful though. Anyway, i can see this leading to coverage on both Msnbc and Cnn about how Faux news isnt authentic because they excluded a major candidarte. That would be fun to see

[HOLLYWOOD]

FOX NEWS changes spelling to FAUX NEWS...
is an international definition and French word for false or fake.

FAUX NEWS - reports the most FAUX NEWS in the WORLD


... adj. Artificial; fake: marbles, porphyry, and other stones...

BOYCOTT FOX NEWS!

[Dave Pedersen]

These people could not be dumber if they tried.

I strongly believe in a "law of countervailing forces".

eg: by excluding Dr. Paul Fox is going to get just the opposite reaction.

Think Rudy and his slap down at the first debate. It seemed horific and painful, yet it helped Dr. Paul rise above the fray.

This could be the same thing.

So I say, let's make a lot of noise, but keep in mind that Fox just did us a huge favor.

These fools are too stupid to rule the world, they are going down.

You are absolutely right Mr. Lepard.

Nothing demonstrates the reality of the media's corrupted agenda better than debate exclusions like this one. I hope FOX stands by their demented convictions and denies Ron Paul access. How better will the neo-cons be able to wake up to the reality this nation faces? FOX can pretend to give Ron Paul equal time or they can blatantly do what they really do anyway. The more obvious their blackout is the better.

Those who vote in primaries are a little more politically engaged than the average general election voter and this will help push Ron Paul up.. not down. Especially in a state like New Hampshire which doesn't like to be played.

[hillertexas]

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[MsDoodahs]

Either way. I don't think our mission should be to get Ron Paul in the January 6th forum. Our mission should be to take Fox News down. "Fair and balanced" my ass.

QUOTED.

FOR.

TRUTH.

:)

[MsDoodahs]

No, they did not do us a favor. They slapped us across the face once again. Don't you realize they are trying to hi-jack this election? They are once again trying to exclude our candidate! The fact of the matter is that to 90% of Americans if you are not on TV and mentioned a thousand times you are not real! That's right, you are a nobody if you are not mentioned a hundred times an hour along with all the other candidates that the media gives hundreds of millions of dollars of publicity to! It's sad to say, but that is the way things still work. They are changing and the Ron Paul Revolution is proof of that, but they are not TOTALLY changed yet!

We are going to get into this forum NOT MATTER WHAT! We are going to continue faxing, calling, and emailing until the entire world knows what is transpiring!


Llepard is right and you are wrong, Patch.

[RonPaulCentral]

You can absolutely bank on the fact that whenever Fox receives a deluge of emails/calls/faxes from angry Ron Paul supporters, the first place they go to look and see what's up is "the hive mind", aka RPForums :)

"The Hive Mind" -- LOL

[N13]

Llepard is right and you are wrong, Patch.

Patch has good intentions and bad assumptions.

[Peace&Freedom]

They will have to show him after he gets first in Iowa!

Dark scenario: Maybe Fox already knows the vote fraud fix is in for Iowa to bury Paul in 5th place again, so they want to follow it up with an exclusion of the candidate from that point on, to lock Paul out of the running.

[ChooseLiberty]

I'm suspicious that Ghouliani, Romnut, et al. may have also requested that Faux exclude Dr. Paul for this very reason. Not that Faux needed much prompting.

It will just be a table full of neocons slapping each other on the back and trying to out do each other about bombing Iran and how many "furriners" they can get the USA to kill for the AIPAC.



These people could not be dumber if they tried.

Think Rudy and his slap down at the first debate. It seemed horific and painful, yet it helped Dr. Paul rise above the fray.
...

These fools are too stupid to rule the world, they are going down.

[Dave Wood]

These people could not be dumber if they tried.

I strongly believe in a "law of countervailing forces".

eg: by excluding Dr. Paul Fox is going to get just the opposite reaction.

Think Rudy and his slap down at the first debate. It seemed horific and painful, yet it helped Dr. Paul rise above the fray.

This could be the same thing.

So I say, let's make a lot of noise, but keep in mind that Fox just did us a huge favor.

These fools are too stupid to rule the world, they are going down.

Larry,
suppose the roundtable candidates slander or smear RP.......he will have no time to rebut this??

[pacelli]

Well, it sure would be nice for Romney to speak out against this, considering that Dr. Paul defended his whole religious issue. Then again, we're talking about Romney. I won't hold my breath.

[Sey.Naci]

These people could not be dumber if they tried.

I strongly believe in a "law of countervailing forces".

eg: by excluding Dr. Paul Fox is going to get just the opposite reaction.

Think Rudy and his slap down at the first debate. It seemed horific and painful, yet it helped Dr. Paul rise above the fray.

This could be the same thing.

So I say, let's make a lot of noise, but keep in mind that Fox just did us a huge favor.

These fools are too stupid to rule the world, they are going down.Absolutely. This exclusion couldn't have been better for the campaign. It works in favour of Ron Paul, not against. "Fair and balanced" FAUX is run by a bunch of idiots.

[Johncjackson]

I agree with the topic. This will get real supporters even more passionate, hopefully increase Iowa turnout and GOTV/canvassing efforts. And if its played right, ROn Paul can get more positive PR out of being excluded than he possibly could for appearing on FNC for 2 minutes.