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jarofclay
12-28-2007, 02:05 PM
When is he going to endorse Paul???

Unspun
12-28-2007, 02:07 PM
It's been asked a million times. He won't.

hard@work
12-28-2007, 02:07 PM
The real question is "why hasn't he?". But not our speculation. I'd like to hear his words on it.

Matt_R
12-28-2007, 02:07 PM
Buchanan is a little too socially conservative for my taste. I'd be willing to bet if they ran on the same ticket, it would turn off more people than it would gain.

evadmurd
12-28-2007, 02:10 PM
Buchanan is a little too socially conservative for my taste. I'd be willing to bet if they ran on the same ticket, it would turn off more people than it would gain.

RP is extremely socially conservative--personally. I think Buchanan is the same way. They both highly respect the Constitution, though and would make a good team, IMHO.

jarofclay
12-28-2007, 02:13 PM
Buchanan has leverage he was 2nd in Iowa in 96. Many Republicans that I've spoken to about Ron Paul are excited and they constantly mention that they haven't been this excited since Pat ran.

Dave Pedersen
12-28-2007, 02:13 PM
We don't want that guy as vp. He is too polarizing and will steal all the headlines.

We want someone who is modest and relatively unknown but above reproach. Napolitano would be very good choice in my opinion. The judge has backbone and is very respected by most conservatives.

I don't trust Buchanan. He likes attention way too much.

constitutional
12-28-2007, 02:13 PM
I'd like him, only if he would come out early and endorse RP. Other than that, I hate cowards.

Matt_R
12-28-2007, 02:14 PM
RP is extremely socially conservative--personally. I think Buchanan is the same way. They both highly respect the Constitution, though and would make a good team, IMHO.

Yeah I don't have a problem with personal social conservatism, it's when you start forcing that onto other people. Buchanan has shown he is very open to that.

He wants a federal ban abortions.
A federal ban on homosexuality.
He also openly supported the whole "day of prayer" thing.
A federal ban on euthanasia.

Ron is a little more libertarian, at least in the federal sense, when it comes to politics.

MrCobaltBlue
12-28-2007, 02:16 PM
Because he's a political anaylist and probably has a clause in his contract banning him from doing so.

JohnnyWrath
12-28-2007, 02:16 PM
I would love this ticket....Pat is a way better speaker on the same issues.

fortilite
12-28-2007, 02:16 PM
Buchanan is not a true supporter of liberty, only a supporter of partial liberty.

FreeTraveler
12-28-2007, 02:19 PM
Okay, to all you young'ns. :D

Pat Buchanan is another "MLK" issue. A lot of us "older folk" remember when he was RICHARD MILLHOUSE NIXON's speechwriter. I'm not sure what they're teaching about old RMN in "politically correct school" these days, but RMN was the FIRST socialist Republican President, and his VP, Spiro Agnew, makes Rudy Giuliani look like a really decent fellow.

I'd have a REAL hard time voting for a RP/PB ticket; my guess is that RP would "meet his maker" early in his term, and we'd be in for a Theocracy that would make us pine for the old Huckleberry Hound as our President.

Seriously... no.

Gurran
12-28-2007, 02:21 PM
Only two VP canidates:
Judge Andrew Napolitano
Walter Williams

Both great, intelligent guys, but I prefer Napolitano because he's held political office

fortilite
12-28-2007, 02:21 PM
Exactly. Since it is extremely likely Paul wouldn't survive an 8 year term, we need a total package - someone who very very closely matches Paul's beliefs. I would rather see a political nobody who has similiar ideologies get it than a somebody like Buchanan.

NYgs23
12-28-2007, 02:25 PM
Maybe Buchanan can be the White House Chief of Staff. You know, that position has more real power than VP by orders of magnitude, but is vastly less face-time in the media.

NYgs23
12-28-2007, 02:27 PM
"it is extremely likely Paul wouldn't survive an 8 year term"

I wouldn't say "extremely likely." He'd be 81, above average lifespan for men, but RP is healthy and excersizes every day.

fedup100
12-28-2007, 02:30 PM
He prefers to straddle the fence vaguely, it is much more rewarding financially and could keep him off the "pick up list" after the 08 elections.

niall
12-28-2007, 02:34 PM
We don't want that guy as vp. He is too polarizing and will steal all the headlines.

We want someone who is modest and relatively unknown but above reproach. Napolitano would be very good choice in my opinion. The judge has backbone and is very respected by most conservatives.

I don't trust Buchanan. He likes attention way too much.

Agreed! Napolitano would be a great choice.

moostraks
12-28-2007, 02:37 PM
Did anyone hear him last night on Michael Savage?? No way...Buchanan scoffed at Dr.Paul's response on the latest war du jour...:mad:

Feenix566
12-28-2007, 02:38 PM
Former New Jersey governor Christy Whittman would make a good VP for Ron Paul.

robpriv
12-28-2007, 02:43 PM
Trust me, both of Buchanan's latest books, State of Emergency and Day of Reckoning ARE an endorsement for Ron Paul without him having to say so.

Now that I think about it, all of Buchanan's books cry out for a man like Paul as the solution.

SovereignMN
12-28-2007, 02:43 PM
I volunteered for Buchanan back during the 1996 caucuses and voted for him in 2000 when he ran on the Reform Party ticket. I like A LOT of what he says...but he isn't good for this ticket.

He turns off more people than he would bring in and carries too much baggage.

FreedomWon
12-28-2007, 02:48 PM
Unfortunately to often one's vote goes to the highest bidder - such is the case with Pat Buchanan

terlinguatx
12-28-2007, 02:49 PM
I like Paul/Powell for a number of reasons. VP is just a figure head and I think Powell would quell any ridiculous quells of racism, create buzz as the first black vp, and appeal to the conservative bushites and military men that served with/over him.

hambone1982
12-28-2007, 02:52 PM
Ideally I'd like to see another solid libertarian on the ticket with RP. However, realistically, I think we need a solid Republican that is close to Paul ideologically that can unite the Republican party under a big tent. (This is, of course, assuming Paul has already been nominated).

Anyone got any ideas of who that could be? (I don't.....yet.)

hambone1982
12-28-2007, 02:55 PM
I think Buchanan might be holding out for a VP position with another Republican candidate.

Which, to me, would make everything that he's ever preached complete BS.

ClayTrainor
12-28-2007, 02:57 PM
I think Buchanan might be holding out for a VP position with another Republican candidate.

Which, to me, would make everything that he's ever preached complete BS.

until he realizes Paul has a good chance after New Hampshire and Iowa.

If he does endorse Paul, that's probably when he'd do it i think.

SovereignMN
12-28-2007, 03:03 PM
I think Buchanan might be holding out for a VP position with another Republican candidate.

No way that will happen. His negatives are much too high for anyone to make their VP candidate.

propanes
12-28-2007, 03:40 PM
Pat's direct response about endorsing Ron Paul

The question begins at 5:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RKBSleFA4A

hawkeyenick
12-28-2007, 03:42 PM
If Hillary is on the dem ticket, we need Palin for the general election, otherwise Buchannon is the choice

parke
12-28-2007, 03:49 PM
I dont want him as VP, but Id like to see him involved with a Paul administration. Pat is a smart guy thats been correct on alot of things.

Joe3113
12-28-2007, 03:51 PM
Former New Jersey governor Christy Whittman would make a good VP for Ron Paul.

I assume this is sarcastic.

Ball
12-28-2007, 03:57 PM
Buchanan is a mercantilist. He keeps yammering about our negative balance of trade and how this should be corrected using tariffs.

They would NOT make a good team.

guntherg16
12-28-2007, 04:14 PM
Here's a link to Pat Buchanan's official website: http://buchanan.org/blog/index.php

Scroll down a little and look under the "topics" heading. How many Presidential candidates do you see listed?

OK, now scroll down a little more and look in the middle column at the post from december 17.

Joe3113
12-28-2007, 04:19 PM
Here's a link to Pat Buchanan's official website: http://buchanan.org/blog/index.php

Scroll down a little and look under the "topics" heading. How many Presidential candidates do you see listed?

OK, now scroll down a little more and look in the middle column at the post from december 17.

He wants to endorse him, but he also knows what will happen to his MSM segments if he does.

guntherg16
12-28-2007, 04:22 PM
He wants to endorse him, but he also knows what will happen to his MSM segments if he does.

I agree. His official website is proof enough for me.

Joe3113
12-28-2007, 04:25 PM
I agree. His official website is proof enough for me.

His website is a way he can endorse Paul without actually endorsing him. Pat knows his supporters will regularly visit his website but the fatcats wont know about it. It's blatantly obvious he supports Paul.

Bob Spruill
12-28-2007, 04:29 PM
Pat Buchanan is not libertarian, long way from it.

If Dr Paul gets the nomination, we need an echo of Dr Paul as VP.

Any sort of 'big tent' pandering would lose my enthusiasm.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
12-28-2007, 04:36 PM
Same here. In fact, I want Buchanan as far away as possible. Buchanan as a VP, and I might be a non-voter again. :(

SteveMartin
12-28-2007, 04:47 PM
You guys seriously want a Nixon insider, who has been to Bohemian Grove twice, and who threw the AZ Primary in '96 which would have, sure as day, led directly to the Republican nomination, had it been his assignment to win it?

The guy is a phony stalking horse who let all true conservatives down in '96 with a hard THUD.

Black Dude
12-28-2007, 05:33 PM
Buchanan won't endorse Ron Paul until it is apparent Ron Paul can win... which is going to be at least after the Iowa caucus. Pat is more valuable as an outsider. He would lose credibility with non-Ron supporters and with the MSM if he openly endorses Ron this early. He also may want to back someone else if Ron puts up really poor numbers in the early states. Or Pat MIGHT be considering a 3rd party run himself if the Republican nominee is someone he really doesn't like.

guntherg16
12-28-2007, 08:00 PM
His website is a way he can endorse Paul without actually endorsing him. Pat knows his supporters will regularly visit his website but the fatcats wont know about it. It's blatantly obvious he supports Paul.

Agreed.

KMA-NWO
12-28-2007, 08:03 PM
Paul/Napolitano 2008 has my vote!

literatim
12-28-2007, 08:07 PM
Buchanan is a mercantilist. He keeps yammering about our negative balance of trade and how this should be corrected using tariffs.

They would NOT make a good team.

That isn't a mercantilist, that is a protectionist.


You guys seriously want a Nixon insider, who has been to Bohemian Grove twice, and who threw the AZ Primary in '96 which would have, sure as day, led directly to the Republican nomination, had it been his assignment to win it?

The guy is a phony stalking horse who let all true conservatives down in '96 with a hard THUD.

Quit throwing false accusations at the man.