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Hangly Man
12-28-2007, 01:49 AM
I believe the R[evol]ution is more a generational thing than anything. The millennarians are in politics, and they are going to absolutely rock this election (and every election to come until they die, most likely.) This was predicted almost 18 years ago.

Just so you know, this isn’t astrology voodoo. There’s some solid social science behind this prediction. Sociologist and historian William Strauss has written several books that track cycles in American social history, and he says our 88-year cyle has led us back to this: another critical moment in our history, a moment of crisis and young heroes.

There’s a book about you guys that I highly suggest you read. Here's a review and summary of the book.

You kids have a purpose!



Millennials Rising

The Next Great Generation

http://www.millennialsrising.com/

By

Neil Howe and William Strauss


The Millennials are defined as those born in 1982 and approximately the 20 years thereafter. The book was written in the year 2000 when the oldest Millennials were graduating from high school. Part of the motivation for the book was the authors’ enthusiasm for the generation and the disappointment with the poor news coverage it was getting.

A baby boomlet was noticed in the early 80’s, and by the 90’s, nursery schools, as well as elementary school classes, were overflowing. Now at the end of the generation, the Millennial is clearly the largest generation in history. It also ranks at the top in many other areas. Its members are the most affluent, the most educated, and the most diverse (36% non-white). They are self-described optimists and team-players. They follow rules more readily and accept authority easier than their parents did at their age. Not surprisingly, they surpass their parents in the use of technology.

The reason for the large size of the generation is the decision of many Boomers to delay childbirth (thus the much smaller Generation X). But as depicted in a 1982 Time cover story “a floodtide of thirtysomething Boomers [were] choosing at long last to become moms and dads.” And, of course, many Gen Xers were also having children at a more traditional time.

Howe and Strauss set the stage this way:

“Wanted. Protected. Worthy. Thus did the heralded Class of 2000 arrive in America’s nurseries and cribs. Soon a much longer glossary of (mainly) positive adjectives would describe them. From conception to graduation, this 1982 cohort has marked a watershed in adult attitudes toward, treatment of and expectations for children. Over that eighteen-year span, whatever age bracket those 1982-born children have inhabited has been the target of intense hope, worry, and wonder from parents, pollsters, pundits, and politicians.” (p. 32)

As the focus of adults on the generation is different, so is the persona of
the generation, which has seven distinguishing traits:

Special. From “precious-baby movies” to effusive rhetoric.

Sheltered. Explosions of child safety rules and devices.

Confident. High levels of optimism. Often boasts of power and potential.

Team-oriented. New emphasis on group learning, tight peer bonds.

Achieving. Accountability rising. Best-educated and best-behaved.

Pressured. Pushed to study hard, take advantage of opportunities.

Conventional. Takes pride in behavior. Comfortable with parents’ values.

The generation will be known for its reversal of most trends measuring
poor behavior, including violent crimes, suicide, sex, and alcohol and illicit drug
use. “Boomers started out as the objects of loosening child standards in an era of conformist adults. Millennials are starting out as the objects of tightening child standards in an era of non-conformists adults. By the time the last Millennials come of age, they could become…the cleanest-cut young adults in living memory.” (p. 46)

This generation will also be known for its hard work “on a grassroots reconstruction of community, teamwork, and civic spirit. They’re doing it in the realms of community service, race, gender relations, politics and faith.” (p.214)

They have a tremendous capacity to mobilize volunteers for worthwhile causes, largely by using the Internet.

The bulk of the book goes into more depth describing the Millennials and discussing issues such as health and safety, schools, employment, discipline, spending patterns, the environment, homework, pressure, sheltering, cyberspace, music, etc. There is a wealth of information from studies and history and numerous sidebar comments, with quotes from notables as well as many teens and younger Millennials.

The last few chapters are an interesting historical perspective of the “hero” generations in America since 1588.

According to Howe and Strauss, the Millennials are in line to be the next“hero” generation because they follow a pattern common to the last four “hero” generations in American history. The pattern early in life is as follows:

- A hero generation arrives just after an era of society-wide upheaval in values and culture that many historians call a “spiritual awakening” and passes through childhood during a time of decaying civic habits, ebbing institutional trust, and resurgent individualism.

- A hero generation directly follows a youth generation widely deemed to be disappointing, reacts against the older “postwar” generation that fomented the spiritual awakening as young adults—and fills a void left by the passing of an elder generation known for civic purpose and teamwork.

- A hero generation, early in life, becomes the target of passionate adult efforts to encircle and protect the childhood world, to promote child achievement, and to attach a new sense of desti ny to youth—to which it responds by meeting and beating adult expectations. (p.326)
Later in life, the pattern is as follows:

- The special treatment and protections follow them into young adulthood and blossom into a sense of collective confidence and power.

- They and their elders declare a new determination to rid society of dangers that had ravaged the prior youth generation, but which only now are deemed intolerable.

- Entering young adulthood, they undergo a heroic trial, a climactic moment in history in which their courage and fortitude are tested.

- In midlife, as an honored generation of civic heroes, they create powerful land enduring institutions, build big new infrastructures, craft a new modern world, and dominate politics and economics deep into their old age.

- Entering elderhood, they reveal a hubris that sparks angry quarrels with their own children, who help foment a spiritual awakening to challenge their parents’ social discipline and secularism. (p.345)

Howe and Strauss think we now have a “rendezvous with destiny.” It is simply “a generational cycle.” They believe that “a constellation of old Boomers, midlife Gen Xers and young-adult Millennials is a lineup of maximum power and
civic risk.” What is clearly missing from a book published in 2000 is the effect of 9/11 and the war in Iraq. Could they be the surprises that Howe and Strauss predict?



I'm Gen-X myself (and as such am a very disappointing person.) I bawl like a little girl whenever I read this.

pickfair
12-28-2007, 01:52 AM
Does 17 count? :p

xexkxex
12-28-2007, 01:52 AM
Born: Feb 13, 1981 ;)

pazzo83
12-28-2007, 01:53 AM
24 here!

NCSURonPaulAddict
12-28-2007, 01:53 AM
/raises hand, 19.

AggieforPaul
12-28-2007, 01:54 AM
I'm 20. I see everything you're describing at my college campus. Even at a school with a lot of neo-cons, Ron Paul fever is in full gear.

literatim
12-28-2007, 01:54 AM
25 here.

daniroyer
12-28-2007, 01:55 AM
Born in 1984 and doing my damnedest to make sure the next generation will do even more than us.

derdy
12-28-2007, 01:56 AM
Do a forum search for age polls, there's already about 10 of them.

noxagol
12-28-2007, 01:56 AM
23

Ogren
12-28-2007, 01:57 AM
Hello, im 17 and im a pauloholic.

Dave Pedersen
12-28-2007, 01:58 AM
The internet. This is the difference.

mattybear
12-28-2007, 01:58 AM
19 here. Born September 28, 1988.

Joe3113
12-28-2007, 02:00 AM
24

Bacon
12-28-2007, 02:03 AM
20

Hangly Man
12-28-2007, 02:04 AM
Do a forum search for age polls, there's already about 10 of them.

I think you might have missed the point of the thread. This isn't an age poll, it's a declaration of common destiny.

Alex Libman
12-28-2007, 02:06 AM
Just turned 26... Feel old as hell! ;)

Ron LOL
12-28-2007, 02:06 AM
23 :d

NocturnalC
12-28-2007, 02:07 AM
27 and feeling old as hell all of a sudden.

Santana28
12-28-2007, 02:07 AM
feb '81 here... what the heck does that make me?? :-P

and FYI... i'm not very fond of the generation the last decade and a half has produced... just to have that on record. no offense to anyone born after 1985 or so...

Kalash
12-28-2007, 02:08 AM
I'm 25.
Jan. 16 1982...

But I don't think that's right - we're rebellious - we just don't like harming others or doing them wrong.

We obey the rules - so long as they suit us...

But we aren't rigid law followers when the laws don't make sense/our acts don't harm anyone.



If we followed the rules, we wouldn't support Ron Paul.

YES - Illicit drug use WILL go down - once drugs are legalized (one of the main reasons I'm here...)

And with the ability to use drugs freely, the spiritual revolution will come about LONG before we hit our old age.


Above all we're FLEXIBLE.

We CHANGE - unlike our parents who stick with their beliefs in absolute defiance of common sense, fact, or reason.

And we continue to change. Rapidly.


We grow... we live.

And because of this, we WILL prosper - but it won't end with us becoming a rigid group of progress bearers...

We will continue to flex and bend with the times, creating the spiritual utopia as well as the societal utopias predicted in that book.


Freedom will ring - and the rules will be changed...
THEN we will begin to fit into the confines of these predictions.



(As for violent crime... Young men who didn't use 'ecstasy' in the past year were 36% more likely to have been arrested for a crime than those who had used the drug. Among those who had been arrested, those without a history of 'ecstasy' use were 42% more likely to have committed assault, 58% more likely to have committed robbery, and 67% more likely to have committed burglary. (http://thedea.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22)


MDMA use (Ecstasy use) decreases violent crime by around 50%

We are less violent because of our drugs of choice - avoiding alcohol and choosing non-aggression causing marijuana and ecstasy.

yongrel
12-28-2007, 02:09 AM
not dead yet

Matthew Zak
12-28-2007, 02:09 AM
25

slamhead
12-28-2007, 02:10 AM
I'm 42, 1965 was noted once as the first year of generation X. I hope your generation is not as complacent as mine.

Thanehand
12-28-2007, 02:12 AM
I'm 34 myself, and like slamhead, another gen-x'er.

PRIEST
12-28-2007, 02:12 AM
26 years of age. I plan to live to 150.

smartguy911
12-28-2007, 02:13 AM
23

Energy
12-28-2007, 02:16 AM
No doubt the internet has had a huge hand in this, mostly releasing us from the bondage of old media.

The themes of "Millennials Rising" would make really good fodder for an email or ad targeted to apathetic people, branding them as heroes with a destiny.

"If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea."
-Antoine de Saint-Exupery

xCakex
12-28-2007, 02:25 AM
16, even though I'll miss out on the vote, I've recruited some older and younger to ensure Dr. Paul's and OUR vision succeeds.

Energy
12-28-2007, 02:33 AM
26 years of age. I plan to live to 150.

You should listen to this, it's relevant to what you just wrote:

http://kickapathy.com/audio

RonPaulwillWin
12-28-2007, 02:33 AM
Just turned 28 and feel old now, thanks.

bc2208
12-28-2007, 02:34 AM
21!

kutibah
12-28-2007, 02:40 AM
17...

AlexAmore
12-28-2007, 02:40 AM
19 here. Born September 28, 1988.

Wow, I was born September 16th, 1988. Kinda close.

bc2208
12-28-2007, 02:41 AM
You should listen to this, it's relevant to what you just wrote:

http://kickapathy.com/audio

ok so now that i know how the dialogue works what happens to the number in my brain?

Hangly Man
12-28-2007, 02:44 AM
I'm 42, 1965 was noted once as the first year of generation X. I hope your generation is not as complacent as mine.

Hey Gen-X bro, lets go take heroin and commit suicide.

Hangly Man
12-28-2007, 03:23 AM
More (http://www.johnreilly.info/miri.htm)


Strauss and Howe [...] expect that some event between 2005 and 2010 will signal the beginning of two decades of chronic fear and struggle, like the financial crisis of 1929 or the presidential election of 1860. This event will have such an effect, not because it is so overwhelming in itself, but because society will have reached a point where compromise is no longer seen as a virtue. The crisis will no doubt have economic, political and military dimensions, but Strauss and Howe have no more clue than anyone else about the specifics.

DaneKirk
12-28-2007, 03:25 AM
In a few days I will be 21.

Danny Molina
12-28-2007, 03:26 AM
21

Viva la revolution!

Castrensis
12-28-2007, 03:27 AM
Just turned 26... Feel old as hell! ;)

25 & right there with you. :D

drexhex
12-28-2007, 03:43 AM
19, 20 in March. I feel it too.

chinaCat
12-28-2007, 03:44 AM
21

The Plan
12-28-2007, 05:09 AM
This was absolutely fascinating to me to read. I just turned 30 the day after christmas so i was a little early for this generation but i'm one of those people who kind of exists in both at the same time. This has actually inspired me to write a new blog on this subject. I hope the author of this thread doesn't mind if i take this a little further and relate this to my experience at the very end of Generation X. Once i'm done i will post it right away because i have some interesting insights on the subject.

DanConway
12-28-2007, 05:16 AM
21.

My grandfather of 82 years has said to me that he thinks my generation will do great things in righting the wrongs of the world.

He's glad I'm getting into politics and activism, even though he completely disagrees with me on economic issues (he's a supporter of Edwards, whom he knows personally, and Richardson.) I'm sure, though, that even he thinks I could do much worse than supporting Ron Paul.

constituent
12-28-2007, 05:25 AM
missed it by a week... dec. 23, 81

ewizacft
12-28-2007, 05:33 AM
missed it by a week... dec. 23, 81

These people that were born no where near the time period, keep trying to hijack this thread.:D

ewizacft
12-28-2007, 05:35 AM
Born in '82.

BigMatt419
12-28-2007, 05:35 AM
21, april 19th 1986

tyler477
12-28-2007, 05:56 AM
'81

Bruehound
12-28-2007, 07:18 AM
44 here.

Been rebelling agaisnt statism for 28 years. Got a dollar sign tattoo when was 17 after reading Atlas Shrugged. Self studied in Austrian Economics.

The youth in this campaign are why the Freedom Movement will reach critical mass. The philosophy of liberty is peaceful and coherent. It will never leave you.

The Neocon's days are numbered.

matthylland
12-28-2007, 07:21 AM
20 here...

enjoiskaterguy
12-28-2007, 07:25 AM
21

jointhefightforfreedom
12-28-2007, 07:30 AM
35 here

Rintrah54
12-28-2007, 07:31 AM
26...and very close to 27....uggh.

Omnis
12-28-2007, 07:37 AM
18.

Meadophile
12-28-2007, 07:38 AM
29

RonPaulCentral
12-28-2007, 07:40 AM
37 - Another gen-x dust fossil.

Finn
12-28-2007, 07:41 AM
24.

anewvoice
12-28-2007, 07:56 AM
just 30, Gen-x representing here too.

c0unterph0bia
12-28-2007, 07:59 AM
21

Hangly Man
12-29-2007, 05:47 PM
This was absolutely fascinating to me to read. I just turned 30 the day after christmas so i was a little early for this generation but i'm one of those people who kind of exists in both at the same time. This has actually inspired me to write a new blog on this subject. I hope the author of this thread doesn't mind if i take this a little further and relate this to my experience at the very end of Generation X. Once i'm done i will post it right away because i have some interesting insights on the subject.

I always thought I was born in the wrong generation too. I'm a cooperative soul by nature with no one to cooperate with, and I have always thought that America really needed to back off from its tendency to rebel against everything simply for the virtue of being rebellious. This new-found love for the constitution and the rule of law really warms my heart.

garrettwombat
12-29-2007, 05:52 PM
19 here

aspiringconstitutionalist
12-29-2007, 05:52 PM
21.

skinzterpswizfan
12-29-2007, 05:54 PM
17, but I'll be 18 for voting day.

matteh
12-29-2007, 05:55 PM
21, never voted before

CoreyBowen999
12-29-2007, 05:56 PM
Does 17 count? :p

does 14 count:p

jclay2
12-29-2007, 05:56 PM
Same here Skinzterpswizfan. 17 going on 18.

Daswiz
12-29-2007, 05:56 PM
22 here, have been interested in politics since studying American History back in high school but have never registered to vote in a presidential primary before. Representing Dr. Paul proudly here in Northern New Jersey.

Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice
12-29-2007, 05:58 PM
24 here!

Still fighting with the knuckleheads on the EUSWX politic forums? haha


I'm 28 but behave more like 48.

MRoCkEd
12-29-2007, 06:00 PM
just turned 18

Firehouse26
12-29-2007, 06:01 PM
24 years old.

Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice
12-29-2007, 06:07 PM
look at all the whipper-snappers.... can you kindly help this older gentleman in carrying my groceries up the stairs? Thanks lads.

sgrooms
12-29-2007, 06:16 PM
21

jesshwarren
12-29-2007, 06:21 PM
26 here

stephens
12-29-2007, 06:23 PM
24 :)

nist7
12-29-2007, 06:26 PM
21 here

Richie
12-29-2007, 06:26 PM
I'm 17, but I think I count because I can vote in the primary. :)

ckhagen
12-29-2007, 06:32 PM
I'm 24 and have long been absolutely angered by the lackadaisical attitude of my parents generation (I know there are exceptions, but they're few from what I can tell). The way I look at it, they allowed us to be sold down the river for material things and appearances. I also see a major awakening among our generation and a desire to take back what our parents gave away on many levels, political, spiritual, economical, and educational. I just hope we can keep fighting and not end up jaded. We owe it to our own children.

LibertiORDeth
12-29-2007, 06:34 PM
Does 17 count? :p

15?

TheWhiteRider
12-29-2007, 06:35 PM
17

can't vote in the primary but I can in the general election

MadViking10
12-29-2007, 06:38 PM
39 :d

roseburg
12-29-2007, 06:38 PM
I'm 26.

LibertiORDeth
12-29-2007, 06:40 PM
does 14 count:p

Cheater, beat me.

liberty_Forever
12-29-2007, 06:41 PM
24

Spike
12-29-2007, 06:52 PM
19.

And you're damn right were gonna clean the mess.

Bruehound
12-29-2007, 07:04 PM
44. What took you guys so long to arrive? We've been waiting for you.

NerveShocker
12-29-2007, 07:05 PM
Err I'm 19.. why are we saying our ages?

LibertiORDeth
12-29-2007, 08:01 PM
Err I'm 19.. why are we saying our ages?

no clue.

walt
12-29-2007, 08:02 PM
how many are registered to vote?

LynnB
12-29-2007, 08:31 PM
God bless and keep each and every one of you This is what excites me most about Ron Paul-- That his message is loud and clear to a new generation to fight for liberty and freedom and if he is not successful in this campaign, then it is up to you all, to get out there and run for office, and to keep the pressure on our seated politicians that their actions will be scrutinized, and that we are no longer going to be couch potatoes while that fence of tyranny is built around us and while our civil liberties are ransacked and our country is destroyed by its own bloated government. What you do with the opportunity for change that Dr. Paul has given you is your decision. I think this is what scares those newsies so much, that the new generation is beginning to pull back the curtain on the wizard..

(didn't mean to go off on a rant..)

erin moore
12-29-2007, 08:33 PM
26, husbad 35 make a poll man.

mdevour
12-29-2007, 08:51 PM
I'm the 50 year old parent of three of you millenial whippersnappers. :D

Being on the trailing edge of the boomers, and kinda old for gen-X, I've kinda watched from the outside as the world around me decays and unravels and it's good to see all of you take up the challenge of putting it back together!

Without even realizing it, my wife and I have played the role of parents to hero archtype children pretty well: home schooled, politically aware, mature, intelligent and confident. They're really pretty phenomenal, and I'm not just saying that because I'm biased. (no smiley)

The point of this thread is that the Strauss and Howe model of generational dynamics is pretty awesome. I first read their book, The Fourth Turning.

Look into their books, folks!

Mike D.

Hangly Man
12-29-2007, 09:09 PM
Err I'm 19.. why are we saying our ages?

Because people are only reading the title and not the thread. It was supposed to be about youth and generational dynamics as they relate to the Ron Paul campaign. Oh well.

I read Generations in college, and I think it's a very good model of American history. I just ordered the Fourth Turning.

If the Strauss model is accurate, you 18-26 year olds are going to change the world in ways never before imagined. The Ron Paul revolution is the leading edge of this.

LibertiORDeth
01-01-2008, 03:17 PM
Because people are only reading the title and not the thread.
:D:D:D

adpierce
01-01-2008, 03:20 PM
Oct 18, 1983 (24 yrs old)

ChickenHawk
01-01-2008, 03:28 PM
I used to be, like ten years ago. Does that count.:D

ndega360
01-01-2008, 03:29 PM
20 year-old first time primary voter

stevedasbach
01-01-2008, 03:31 PM
My four kids range from 20-27. ALL of them are strong Ron Paul supporters -- and I didn't have to convince any of them. :)

Kotin
01-01-2008, 03:32 PM
i am 18 on january 30th/


and i have gotten all my friends crazy about ron paul.

TXcarlosTX
01-01-2008, 03:34 PM
24

Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice
01-01-2008, 03:34 PM
This age group is highly polarized, from complete materialistic self-absorbed sleepwalkers to very old and wise compassionate souls. The even younger group are smart as hell. Generation Z... the last generation? hehe

JGalt
01-01-2008, 03:35 PM
17

austin4paul
01-02-2008, 07:52 AM
I'm 42, 1965 was noted once as the first year of generation X. I hope your generation is not as complacent as mine.

Not to worry, slamhead, they're not. I chalk it up to a change in educational policies. Schools used to teach kids "knowledge" but because of the pace of change once the computer age kicked it, at some point along the line this changed to teaching kids "how to learn." The end result is that this generation of youth was never asleep, while the rest of us had to wake up from complacency first.

I'm expecting the Establishment will be in for a SHOCK as this generation, who's one of the best-educated IMO, is not only smart and skeptical, but has also been taught from the time they were toddlers that their opinion matters. It's a big change from the "kids should be seen but not heard" mentality that earlier generations grew up with.

I think it explains why people I know who've been in politics for decades say they've never seen anything like this before.

leipo
01-02-2008, 07:54 AM
26

theoddmonkey
01-02-2008, 07:59 AM
22