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Wendi
12-27-2007, 04:12 PM
The information available seems to vary from one extreme to another.

I've had it a few times... my family used to have a farm when my sister and I were real young. Our folks wouldn't let us drink raw milk, but Grandma had no qualms of letting us sample it about as fresh as you can get - straight from the cow :D

Fast-forward a couple of decades, and I learn there is this huge controversy over whether or not people should be allowed to legally buy and sell raw milk. Some say it is a health hazard, others say the garbage they put in our milk that we buy from the store is the real danger :eek:

And on the rare occasion that I've seen anyone selling raw milk, the warning stickers about "may contain harmful bacteria" and "should not be consumed by infants, elderly, or persons with compromised immune systems" have made me too skittish to buy without conducting my own research first.

So, like the question says... how safe is raw milk? Do you drink it? Where do you get it from? If you're buying it from others how can you be sure it is safe (or is this not really an issue)?

jamesmadison
12-27-2007, 04:16 PM
do calves get sick when they drink their mothers milk?
do babies get sick when they drink their mothers milk?

milk contains lactoferrin which has antibacterial/fungal properties that protect from harmful bacteria and strengthen the immune system. it is most likely destroyed during pasturization.

mtmedlin
12-27-2007, 04:22 PM
Raw milk was consumed for thousands of years with the majority not having problems with it. I have heard one unconfirmed source say that they are lactose intolerant and are able to consume raw milk. Ive drank it personally and never got sick. I grew up in Indiana and it wasnt uncommon to get a gallon from the farmer. Tastes a little different but I suspect its safe. Small batches that are kept cold and dont sit around for a long time should be just fine.

Birdlady
12-27-2007, 05:45 PM
Yes I am supposedly lactose intolerant and can drink raw milk with no problems. No bloating, gas, or cramps. Nothing. I still get very ill when I drink pus oh I mean conventional milk :eek:. "Organic" and goat milk make me sick too.

A women and her husband that I know here only drinks raw milk and they have never had any problems. With that being said, go and visit the farm. If it's dirty then don't buy from them. If it looks clean and the animals are well taken care of then you are safe. Ask people who have bought their milk before and see what they say.

Corydoras
12-28-2007, 03:50 AM
the warning stickers about "may contain harmful bacteria" and "should not be consumed by infants, elderly, or persons with compromised immune systems" have made me too skittish to buy without conducting my own research first.

So, like the question says... how safe is raw milk? Do you drink it? Where do you get it from? If you're buying it from others how can you be sure it is safe (or is this not really an issue)?


For myself I would choose not to drink raw milk, but on the other hand I definitely wouldn't be scared by those stickers, either. Just don't feed the milk to babies, old people, cancer patients, people with HIV, etc.

Any milk is prone to breed germs, whether pasteurized or not-- that's what yogurt is, after all. If you're really worried about germs, the safest is canned or in one of those boxes like Parmalat.

Why not visit the website (or better yet, the farm) of the people who produce the raw milk you see for sale?

olehounddog
12-28-2007, 03:59 AM
I'm 48 y/o and I'm still alive. Back in the 60's we never bought our milk from a store. We made our buttermilk and butter.
But then the holier than thou crowd took over.

Birdlady
12-28-2007, 04:02 AM
I'm 48 y/o and I'm still alive. Back in the 60's we never bought our milk from a store. We made our buttermilk and butter.
But then the holier than thou crowd took over.

People have been brainwashed though. The amount of propaganda and fear that has been instilled within us is unbelievable.

My grandmother said that she used to drink milk basically straight from the cow. Today she tells me how dangerous it is to do that. Why has her attitude changed? Because she watches the darn TV and it says that it is dangerous. Even though she had her own personal experience on the matter, the TV knows all.

Shavenyak
12-28-2007, 04:09 AM
I grew up drinking raw milk until I was 17. The Alta-Dena Dairy used to deliver it weekly to the door until it was banned. I never got sick from it, nor anyone else in the family. We went through a gallon a day, on average. 6 people total. Great stuff. I'd buy it again if I could find it, but I think it's outlawed to protect me from myself. Although I can go to 14 fast food restaurants within 1 mile of my apartment.

McDermit
12-28-2007, 04:10 AM
Fresh raw milk is far better for you than anything you can buy at walmart or safeway. Best to get it from small family farms where the cows are healthy and not pumped full of antibiotics and hormones.

Chester Copperpot
12-28-2007, 04:11 AM
UNfortunately, I live in NJ where the guy who started the whole milk pastuerization process lived.. Ive heard many good things about raw milk, even getting rid of peoples' illnesses.... Ive also heard quite a bit of stories about how raw milk can have cancer in it, bacteria, etc..

If I had to choose, I would prefer a completely organic raw milk. Its live food as opposed to dead food...probably much better for you..

Chester Copperpot
12-28-2007, 04:13 AM
I grew up drinking raw milk until I was 17. The Alta-Dena Dairy used to deliver it weekly to the door until it was banned. I never got sick from it, nor anyone else in the family. We went through a gallon a day, on average. 6 people total. Great stuff. I'd buy it again if I could find it, but I think it's outlawed to protect me from myself. Although I can go to 14 fast food restaurants within 1 mile of my apartment.

Amazing but true statement.. How come we need the govt to protect us from raw milk, but not from the thousands of chemicals in mcdonalds?

Man from La Mancha
12-28-2007, 04:18 AM
For myself I would choose not to drink raw milk, but on the other hand I definitely wouldn't be scared by those stickers, either. Just don't feed the milk to babies, old people, cancer patients, people with HIV, etc.

Any milk is prone to breed germs, whether pasteurized or not-- that's what yogurt is, after all. If you're really worried about germs, the safest is canned or in one of those boxes like Parmalat.

Why not visit the website (or better yet, the farm) of the people who produce the raw milk you see for sale? Raw milk is so safe that if left out on its own it ferments into something called clabber milk and can be eaten like yogurt. Looks like sour milk was great for Scottish babies



A note from a baker: My grandmother and dad, both native Texans, referred to clabber milk as that milk which had started to thicken (I, city-bred, called it spoiled). They liked to mix it with cornbread in a glass and spoon it out as a treat. Dad also does this with buttermilk, which is certainly not the same as clabber milk.


clabber
A popular dish of the Old South, clabber is unpasteurized milk that has soured and thickened naturally. Depending on its thickness, icy-cold clabbered milk was (and sometimes still is) enjoyed as a drink. It may also be eaten with fruit, or topped with black pepper and cream or simply sprinkled with sugar.




Clabber is a food produced by allowing unpasteurized milk to turn sour at the proper humidity and temperature. Over time the milk thickens or curdles into a yoghurt-like substance with a strong, sour flavor. In rural areas of the Southern United States, it was commonly eaten for breakfast with brown sugar, nutmeg, cinnamon, or molasses added. Some people also eat it with fruit or black pepper and cream.

Unlike many Southern dishes, which can ascribe their roots to African origins, clabber appears to have come from the many Scottish nannies who at one time took care of the children of the Virginia gentry. In fact, clabber is still sometimes referred to as bonny clabber (originally "bainne clàbar", from Scottish Gaelic bainne - milk , and clàbar - mud). Clabber passed into Scots and Anglo-Irish meaning wet, gooey mud, though it is commonly used now in the noun form to refer to the food or in the verb form "to curdle". In France an almost identical food is known as Crème fraîche.

With the rise of pasteurization the making of clabber virtually stopped, except on farms that had easy access to unprocessed cow's milk. You can, however, make pasteurized milk "clabber" by adding a couple of tablespoons of commercial buttermilk to a glass.



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DanConway
12-28-2007, 04:18 AM
I'm quite allergic to cow's milk. Not lactose intolerant, though, and I don't really drink milk, but I do like cheese, so I have goat, sheep, and buffalo cheese. These aren't produced very much in the US -- I currently have cheese from at least four countries (USA, Canada, France, and Italy) in my refrigerator.

To make it Ron Paul related: I spent a night at the home of a big Ron Paul supporter in New Hampshire. He had some goat cheese in his refrigerator that his wife had apparently made using milk from his neighbor's goat, and was nice enough to let me have some. It was quite good -- and as organic as it gets! -- and I enjoyed the thought of eating something (unpasteurized cheese) that a lot of busybodies would like to make illegal. I didn't get sick from it either, so that's one bullet (or hailstorm of bullets, as some would have you believe) that I dodged.

Yesterday I saw some raw-milk cheese in my local health food store. I'll go back and see if it's made from cow's milk, and if it isn't, I'll try some. I've been taking probiotics for the last seven weeks at a doctor's recommendation, and eating yogurt the majority of days (water buffalo yogurt -- http://woodstockwaterbuffalo.com/prod_yogurt.shtml ) so my digestive system, and the part of my immune system comprised by that, is in much better shape than it was, so I think I'd be OK to have it, and it might actually help. (My digestive system being compromised was probably the reason I became allergic to cow's milk in the first place -- fixing it may actually reverse that, as well as resolving many other problems.)

olehounddog
12-28-2007, 04:23 AM
Taxes, could that be the real cause? When you buy direct from the farmer, the government don't get to steal their part.

noztnac
12-28-2007, 04:30 AM
Someone might be able to track this down. I've heard that pasteurized milk is illegal in France, the reason being that they don't want milk being sold that is not fresh. Maybe that is no longer true but I'm pretty sure it was once the law.

Alex Libman
12-28-2007, 04:41 AM
That answer will of course depend on the cow. In some cases it will be safer than pasteurized milk because it's easier to digest and contains more natural bacteria-fighting enzymes. And also because since you're buying it locally from a farmer that has to earn and maintain your trust, you know exactly which cow it's coming from. If you get sick from supermarket milk, you have no choice but to call mommy government...

But regardless of safety, the government should definitely NOT be involved in regulating what kind of milk I want to buy! :mad:

DanConway
12-28-2007, 04:56 AM
I think we're heading towards a general principle here, that localization beats centralization. The typical collectivist criticism I've been hearing lately is that "free markets need information to function" -- well, getting milk from a local dairy farm instead of Big Farm Inc., Ltd., LLC, or getting electricity from your own solar panels instead of "the grid" (not yet, but someday), or having laptops and cell phone computers instead of whatever the equivalent of "any color as long as it's black" would have been for computers as a government utility (which is the direction, according to my operating systems professor, in which a lot of people once -- thirty or so years ago, I guess -- thought personal computing would go) means localization, and more information. In the last case we'd probably be hearing from the collectivists how thankful we should be that government provides us with computers, and what would we do without them?

I recall a study saying that beyond 150 people in a community, man exceeds their capacity to relate to each of them as an individual, and begins to need organized systems and hierarchies to figure out how they "should" relate to and act towards people. Maybe the number is different, but I think there must be some critical number around which this happens.

I'll leave you with this thought:

"Machines can be stored anywhere, can function anywhere, and are indifferent to other machines they must associate with. But men and women have to build the meanings of their lives around a few – a very few – people to touch and love and care for. If you're always getting rid of people, trading them off the way you've been taught to trade off things, you can't have much of a life. And if you fail in this vital endeavor of linking up with the right people for you, it doesn't matter at all how healthy the space program is or how many machines you own. You'll still be lonely in the middle of crowds."
--John Taylor Gatto, educator

XNavyNuke
12-30-2007, 05:56 PM
So, like the question says... how safe is raw milk?

Depends on your source. In my case it's as safe as spinach from our garden, the fruit from our trees, the eggs from our hens, the fish from our pond, the beer that I brew, or the jar of deer meat that my wife pressure cans. We have yet to have a case of food borne illness.


Do you drink it?

Yes.


Where do you get it from?

My wife maintains a herd of IDGR registered Nubian goats.


If you're buying it from others how can you be sure it is safe (or is this not really an issue)?

Physically take a look at the pplace where it comes from. See the conditions first hand. Ask the person who your buying your milk (or spinach, or apples, or eggs) if they and their family consume the same food you are buying. (You would be surprised how many folks at the farmers market where I occasionaly set-up, purchase their produce from wholesalers.)

If you wake up in the morning, there is risk involved. Just because something is pastuerized doesn't mean it's perfectly safe.

State investigating rare outbreak in pasteurized milk (http://www.eyewitnessnewstv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7552745)


That means the listeria bacteria that killed two elderly men and sickened two others in Massachusetts entered Whittier Farms' milk supply after it was pasteurized.

Dead is dead, whether or not the product has a state seal of approval.

XNN

SlapItHigh
12-31-2007, 10:25 AM
Milk pasteurization reminds me of socialism. Hurting the many to help the few.

mtmedlin
12-31-2007, 11:01 AM
really, from reading all the stories, it comes down to handling. As with all foods that can contain bacteria, if a person simply chooses to use common sense in the handling of the food they should be safe. I wouldnt leave ANY milk out of the fridge fro several days and consume it. I wouldnt eat any food that I KNOW cam from a dirty, unkept farm. I used to work on farms in Indiana and there are some that dont do much to keep clean and they sold meat, eggs and milk to the local grocers because the FDA said they met the minimum requirements. On the other hand, i was talking to a guy from NH that says the farm he buys raw milk from is VERY well kept, because the people buy directly from him, he has to keep it up, it is in all reality his showroom. A grocery store cannot sell well if it is nasty and neither will a farm.
The more I here of NH the more I think about the Free State Project. I really hope to be a part within the next 2 years.

loupeznik
12-31-2007, 11:11 AM
How healthy is the cow it came from?

It is probably about as safe as a rare steak.

JenHarris
12-31-2007, 11:18 AM
I also grew up drinking raw milk and survived :)

It's all about keeping the milk clean during milking and processing. If you actually look at the junk that gets into pasteurized milk (which is why it has to be pasteurized right?) it's enough gross you out. Feces included *ugh* but it's pasteurized feces so it's ok...right?

If you've got a clean local farm that doesn't give hormone to their cattle, its worth it.

weatherbill
01-01-2008, 01:42 AM
Yes, Raw Milk has the living enzymes. God made those in the milk for a reason and it is great for your immune system.....the pasturized crap is dead milk......and with the living enzymes dead becasue of the heating process, the benefits are greatly reduced....... raw milk tastes better too!

XNavyNuke
01-15-2008, 09:13 AM
Commentary: The Raw Milk Revolution (http://www.emagazine.com/view/?4047)
Unpasteurized Milk is Taking Hold, Even among College Kids


Mark McAfee owns a 350-cow dairy, the largest raw dairy in the U.S. It’s in California where raw milk is legal for retail sale. After 24 million servings of his milk there have been absolutely no reported illnesses. That led him to conduct several tests on his milk and on the pasteurized variety. In one test, McAfee injected E.coli, listeria, and salmonella in his milk and in pasteurized milk. He says that in the raw milk, none of the added pathogens survived because of the naturally occurring acids and anti-microbial bacteria that fought off these pathogens. The pasteurized milk pathogens were able to grow much larger and spread throughout the milk, he says, because they did not have enzymes to stop their growth.

So if raw milk is much healthier, why do we use pasteurization? The process began after tuberculosis and E.Coli outbreaks in the 19th century. But these outbreaks were due to poor conditions of cattle and unsanitary workers. The problem was not raw milk but unclean raw milk.

XNN

youngbuck
01-15-2008, 10:40 PM
In my opinion, raw milk from a healthy cow is safer than ANY pasturized milk. The natural occuring bacteria in raw milk from a healthy cow will protect it from overgrowth of harmful bacteria.

Search mercola.com and westonaprice.org for more excellent information.

My family and I drink raw milk everyday, and have been for about 2 years (or maybe more now?) and I don't feel as good when I don't drink it. There is a reason that the establishment wants to ban it, and that's because they know it's healthy and good for us. Big pharma wants us to be sick, and healthy raw milk will do a lot for you to keep you well.

Chirosupporter
02-02-2008, 12:54 AM
1: Drink raw milk from cows that are grass fed and recieve no growth hormones or anti-biotics.
2: Drink Rice milk. Found at any grocery store.
3: Drink Almond milk. Usually at most stores.
4: Vote for Ron Paul and get rid of pasteurized milk!

Vancouverite90210
02-08-2008, 03:27 AM
WHY CORPORATE AMERICA MUST BE CONTROLLED (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trWcqxrQgcc&NR=1)

thuja
02-08-2008, 03:32 AM
i grew up drinking raw milk from the family cow. i was never ill.
i do not drink milk, as i am an adult, but if i had to, it would be raw milk from organically fed cows.

thuja
02-08-2008, 03:36 AM
1: Drink raw milk from cows that are grass fed and recieve no growth hormones or anti-biotics.
2: Drink Rice milk. Found at any grocery store.
3: Drink Almond milk. Usually at most stores.
4: Vote for Ron Paul and get rid of pasteurized milk!

thanks for not suggesting soy milk. that is unhealthy, contary to what people are being told.
almond milk is wonderful, providing it's not from usa almonds, which, since last september, are treated with a carcinogenic chemical. i get spanish almonds instead.

the main reason i support RP is to get m freedoms back, and my food freedoms, especially.

Fox McCloud
02-08-2008, 01:02 PM
the pasteurization of milk (what I've heard from my close chemist+physicist friend) isn't really that great for you--is the process, a number of really good enzymes are destroyed, and others become harmful. He even tried an experiment--he cut off drinking milk, and this reoccurring medical problem he had vanished instantly.

The whole pasteurization process is unnecessary, really--there are much better ways of preserving and keeping milk. The people in the early 1900s had it right--they'd put a silver dollar in their milk, which would kill of all viruses or bacteria.

However, the FDA began its crusade against silver and its supposed "agyria effect" (which does happen, but only if the colloidal silver is impure or made improperly OR consumed in huge huge amounts). To this day, if milk from a farmer is found to contain any colloidal silver, the farmer is pretty much barred from ever selling milk again. Ahh, heaven forbid you get a natural anti-bacterial and anti-virus into the milk supply and cut down on nationwide disease...then where would the PIC (Pharm Industrial Complex) get their billions?


WHY CORPORATE AMERICA MUST BE CONTROLLED (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trWcqxrQgcc&NR=1)

that's not very Libertarian to suggest we must control corporate America :P

I'm aware that it's corrupt beyond all belief, but the reason it can exert power and dominance over people is the MSM, which they own/control...this isn't just because of "deregulation" (as the "Conspiracy Theory Rock" humorously points out), but a number of other factors...the main cause of which is the lovely FCC. In the end, it's a few government organizations that cause this, and not just the corporations.

Dark_Horse_Rider
02-08-2008, 03:59 PM
Fresh raw milk is far better for you than anything you can buy at walmart or safeway. Best to get it from small family farms where the cows are healthy and not pumped full of antibiotics and hormones.

Has life energy, it does

nayjevin
02-08-2008, 04:16 PM
whats the difference between raw, homogenized, and pasteurized? i buy my milk from a local dairy but its homogenized so i was wondering.

Dustancostine
02-08-2008, 04:21 PM
whats the difference between raw, homogenized, and pasteurized? i buy my milk from a local dairy but its homogenized so i was wondering.

Googled and found this about homgenized milk:

http://www.ninaplanck.com/index.php?article=milk_homogenized

ConstitutionGal
02-08-2008, 04:31 PM
When I was growing up before TN banned direct sale from farmers to consumers of raw milk, we lived near a dairy. We used to go there at milking time with our own gallon GLASS (they wouldn't dispense into plastic) jars and get our milk fresh from the cows. It was GREAT. We would take the milk home, chill it so the cream would rise to the top and then, make our own butter. The watery tasting stuff that we buy now in the grocery store tastes NOTHING like REAL fresh milk. I can't ever remember anyone EVER getting sick from the milk and, as a matter of fact, even though most all of us had ALL those childhood diseases that the nanny-state wants to vaccinate against now (measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, etc.), none of us ever had adhd, add, alergies or any of the 'common' ailments that seem to plague the vaccinated generations. Things to make you go hmmmm....

Fox McCloud
02-09-2008, 01:06 AM
When I was growing up before TN banned direct sale from farmers to consumers of raw milk, we lived near a dairy. We used to go there at milking time with our own gallon GLASS (they wouldn't dispense into plastic) jars and get our milk fresh from the cows. It was GREAT. We would take the milk home, chill it so the cream would rise to the top and then, make our own butter. The watery tasting stuff that we buy now in the grocery store tastes NOTHING like REAL fresh milk. I can't ever remember anyone EVER getting sick from the milk and, as a matter of fact, even though most all of us had ALL those childhood diseases that the nanny-state wants to vaccinate against now (measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, etc.), none of us ever had adhd, add, alergies or any of the 'common' ailments that seem to plague the vaccinated generations. Things to make you go hmmmm....

yup....I had vaccinations when I was like 4-5 years old, and I was supposed to get them when I was in 8th grade....my mother was a teacher at the private school I went to, and well, we just got busy and forgot to get the 8th grade renewal shots.

the next year, we were exposed to a lot of various new information that was suppressed by the media about a lot of things.

Looking back, I can attribute that "forgetfulness" to only one thing: the Lord putting his protective hand on me in that instance.

Ironically enough, there were a number of people at this private school that actively opposed vaccinations...as several had children that were harmed by them.

Even though the States have the authority to regulate milk like that, I really wish they wouldn't--it's people's free choice to go and get milk there or not...if they get sick, it's very doubtful that they'll go back (unless it's just a fluke thing)...it's like with restaurants...if you go there and it gives you diarrhea (consistently), then you shouldn't go to the government to bar that restaurant from serving the public--people should actively choose to go there or not.

kimosabi
02-09-2008, 06:54 AM
The information available seems to vary from one extreme to another.

I've had it a few times... my family used to have a farm when my sister and I were real young. Our folks wouldn't let us drink raw milk, but Grandma had no qualms of letting us sample it about as fresh as you can get - straight from the cow :D

Fast-forward a couple of decades, and I learn there is this huge controversy over whether or not people should be allowed to legally buy and sell raw milk. Some say it is a health hazard, others say the garbage they put in our milk that we buy from the store is the real danger :eek:

And on the rare occasion that I've seen anyone selling raw milk, the warning stickers about "may contain harmful bacteria" and "should not be consumed by infants, elderly, or persons with compromised immune systems" have made me too skittish to buy without conducting my own research first.

So, like the question says... how safe is raw milk? Do you drink it? Where do you get it from? If you're buying it from others how can you be sure it is safe (or is this not really an issue)?
If your worried about bacteria in Raw Milk, stick a silver dollar or something 99.9% silver in the milk. The silver will kill any bacteria in the Milk. It was quite common for people to put a silver dollar in Raw Milk in the good old days. Even better is colloidial silver ==> http://www.usc.edu/CSSF/History/2005/Projects/J1322.pdf

Cyclone177
02-18-2008, 10:57 AM
We get raw milk from the farm every week. Raw milk hasn't had the healthy bacteria zapped out by pasteurizaition, so it works naturally to combat any bad bacteria that might be in there. On the other hand, any pasteurized milk that gets bad stuff in it, is such a dead food that you wouldn't know it was in there. Raw milk, if rotten, will smell rotten. Store milk, if rotten, will smell and taste just fine. That is why it can sit on a shelf for months. Yes MONTHS, and not go bad.

raystone
02-18-2008, 11:28 AM
The real question should be...why drink cow milk at all ? Life energy ?...not sure what that means.

Humans are the only species which drink another species milk. There is a reason 25% of American's are lactose intolerant. This percentage hits 100 in other countries and with other nationalities. Humans were born to drink our mother's milk only, not then switch to another species' milk because we can.

There are still developing areas in the world where cow/goat milk is needed as a source of protein. The U.S. doesn't need it...heavy government subsidies, along with a multi million dollar "Got Milk?" message has allowed the declining milk industry to survive this long.

You don't see people drinking rat milk or dog milk despite the fact that they too produce milk. Calcium ? We get calcium from a hundred other foods, not to mention supplements.

www.notmilk.com

Kevlar
02-18-2008, 11:44 AM
Yes, milk is loaded with casein, which produces tons of mucus in the body and causes bowel trouble.

Check this video out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMHvMAUDHj4

bg1654
02-18-2008, 01:19 PM
That video is so full of shit. Milk is fine. The less processed the better. If you can personally tolerate, it is fine as a food. Hell its orders of magnitudes better than nutritionally empty sugary drinks like pop or even processed "fruit" drinks.

Kevlar
02-18-2008, 04:43 PM
Yes, milk is loaded with casein, which produces tons of mucus in the body and causes bowel trouble.

Check this video out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMHvMAUDHj4That video is so full of shit. Milk is fine. The less processed the better. If you can personally tolerate, it is fine as a food. Hell its orders of magnitudes better than nutritionally empty sugary drinks like pop or even processed "fruit" drinks.

Did you read up on casein, or did you just decide that the video was full of shit because you wanted it to be full of shit?

Peregrin
02-18-2008, 04:54 PM
Anyone know where I can get raw milk in SE Michigan?

XNavyNuke
02-19-2008, 08:36 AM
Did you read up on casein, or did you just decide that the video was full of shit because you wanted it to be full of shit?

A healthy digestive system will have bacteria in it that produces sufficient amounts of aminopeptidases to break down casein. Not everyone has these, and the natural bacterias (found in yogurts, keffirs, and unpastuerized milk) that can also produces these enzymes are not found in that sterilized white stuff found in cartons and poly bottles on most store shelves.

Casein is a protein and individuals can have adverse reactions to the histamines that it causes. Just because strawberries may produce life threatening reactions in a portion of the population doesn't mean that no one should be allowed to grow, handle, or eat strawberries.:D

XNN

Kevlar
02-19-2008, 12:24 PM
A healthy digestive system will have bacteria in it that produces sufficient amounts of aminopeptidases to break down casein. Not everyone has these, and the natural bacterias (found in yogurts, keffirs, and unpastuerized milk) that can also produces these enzymes are not found in that sterilized white stuff found in cartons and poly bottles on most store shelves.

Casein is a protein and individuals can have adverse reactions to the histamines that it causes. Just because strawberries may produce life threatening reactions in a portion of the population doesn't mean that no one should be allowed to grow, handle, or eat strawberries.:D

XNN

"Casein is the main protein in cow's milk and constitutes about 3 per cent of it. Human milk, on the other hand, has only 0.5 per cent casein content. The high casein content of cow's milk causes it to form a very tough, rubbery curd in the stomach; the casein binds the calcium as an insoluble salt. Thus it is extremely difficult to digest and is a frequent source of indigestion. Mother's milk and goat's milk, on the other hand, form finely dispersed soft curds that are easy to digest.

Thus the protein in cow's milk frequently is only partly digested and becomes a major source of intestinal putrefaction and toxemia. Incompletely digested protein may pass the wall of the small intestine and cause allergy. Worms in children are often due to intestinal putrefaction from undigested cow's milk. Breast milk also contains high levels of fat-digesting lipase and other enzymes. Therefore breast milk is nearly self-digesting in the baby's gut while pasteurized cow's milk is very difficult to digest."

- http://www.radianceclinic.com/html/milk__what_is_it_good_for_.html

Raw milk may be easier to digest than pasteurized milk, but I'm still not touching the stuff.

And I didn't say that people shouldn't be allowed to drink milk.

I just said that I'M not going to.

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PatriotG
02-19-2008, 12:43 PM
The real question should be...why drink cow milk at all ? Life energy ?...not sure what that means.

Humans are the only species which drink another species milk. There is a reason 25% of American's are lactose intolerant. This percentage hits 100 in other countries and with other nationalities. Humans were born to drink our mother's milk only, not then switch to another species' milk because we can.

DUDE!!!
What am I going to dunk my Oreos in? :confused:
Jeeezzzz!:D